Getting cases at a rate that allows you 2 hearings per day with 20-30k per hearing would require some very strong connections.

This may be an appropriate number for 8-10 years' practice. I have seen people with 7-8 years' experience, coming from a strong law-background (practically the entire fraternity knows them), and they were charging around this much. Some exceptions are there, of course, like if your father is a sitting judge in the court you practice in.

Lol which person are you talking about? A lot of mediocre people are helmed messiah there and have been cancelled. But at the same time they are given VIP treatment by their juniors. Since you can’t be specific (ofc we have to maintain anonymity here) , let’s leave it there. My advice to people joining this college will be - just don’t

Mnlu does not have zero day placements yet, and students are hired only via PPOs. Considering that the same is clouded in certainty and depends upon a number of uncontrollable factors, chances of being hired might just be a grim. I heard that HNLU has great recently; the outgoing batch of 2023 had some 50 jobs, and the current batch has a decent number of PPOs from Tier 1s. You may look up at their RCC's LinkedIn profile for the stats. Thus, would rank HNLU over mnlu. Take an informed decision, best of luck!

How do you people write such bull so confidently? Only EPs are authorized to give PPOs. You'd know this if you were actually in JSA because our HR can't even do rangoli competitions they're that toothless. How exactly would 30PPOs be handed out without a corresponding vacancy?

Heyo my cousin is practising law in Australia. I can help you in this. So firstly , since Australia very well follows the Common Law System , you won’t have much trouble settling in. So there are two ways - either you sit for their Graduate Diploma in Legal Training course or you directly apply to their law firms from your college. Remember , even if you want to directly apply for their law firms , it’s good to have a practise in local law for two years as a solicitor. For each state , there is a streamlined registration process. The corporate law firm you intend to join will suggest you even to practise litigation for one year especially if you are from India. Regarding the scope , the opportunities are scattered everywhere. In the beginning it may seem a little intimidating, but slowly and slowly you will just be fine. And the money is great. My cousin is working in Brisbane and he reports that an average base salary can exceed $140k even in minimum standards. You have to get your academic overview checked ffrom the authority responsible for revising your practising standards. For instance , if you had a good GPA and come from a prestigious college , your chances are slightly (not by a large) higher. However , with so many border exchange and especially educational programmes our country have with the Aussies , as per my cousin , it has become quite easy to go , study and practise law there. All the best!

Unless you're from an old lawyer/prominent old-school business family (by prominent, I mean the business group is worth around 1000 crores or more), you won't progress much. The first few years will be fun, estate planning, trust law, meeting scions of big business families, etc. But this practice area runs on trust and familiarity above all else - Zia, (Rishabh) Shroff et al are valued for the legacy they represent. Its almost impossible to break into those circles. Outsiders however talented will invariably be relegated to the incidental tax side of these mandates. Exception could be tech/startup founder clientele, but that's quite niche so far.

HI LIers,

My Internship is confirmed at SAM in the Cap Marks Team at Mumbai, and is scheduled to begin soon. Unfortunately, the internship period is limited to a measly 2 weeks, that too virtual. Few questions-

1. Does this particular team usually give extensions/ Call backs

2. How do I prove myself in 2 weeks?

3. In which year does SAM consider an intern for PPOs- 3rd/ 4rth/ 5th- considering I am in a Top 3 NLU

4. How much do grades matter for a PPO, considering I am willing to go head over heels with my performance?

Regards,

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Bruh, there were 2-3 people who did this in my time as well in the mid-2010s, and 1-2 who did this for NLUD/NUJS. Their reasons were all location-related, since they were from Hyderabad/Delhi/Calcutta. I know for a fact that almost all of them (save for 1-2), openly admitted that they regretted the choice. Take from that what you will. In any case, you seem to have made up your mind with convenient data interpretation. If you're look for validation here, doubt you'd find it.

Besides all the very pertinent points mentioned by one of the responses, a few more.

1. NFSU is a "national" university - multidisciplinary and multicampus. Its funding (from MHA) is at another level. There is no comparison.

2. NFSU is primarily a post-graduate institution, with a few integrated UG programmes. So its nature of operations is very different. For instance, this year alone they plan to take in 150 Ph.D. students. This means 150 doctoral scholars with a scholarship for the next five years.

3. NFSU is the first and the only academic institution in the country whose reports are acceptable in the courts as evidence. It shows the impact of the university.

4. About placements - students from other departments have already been placed (90% placement) with the highest salary going up to ₹67 LPA. Detailed placement reports are available on the university website.

5. As someone mentioned, NFSU is a different universe altogether.

Here are a few links you may find useful:

https://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/nfsu-reports-get-legal-sanctity/81856624.html

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/building-bridges-between-forensic-science-and-indias-justice-delivery-systems/?

In what rankings? And nobody claimed that you're inferior in any way, you're the ones claiming your superiority. As for the report, couldn't see anything on the GNLU website. Please feel free to share, especially if it has got the details of the 100+ placements that has been claimed. I will be happy to read it and if true, be happy for GNLU. The rebuttal was sought here by an anonymous claim and hence the reply. You should increase your comprehension skills. Why would NUJS need to 'rebut' GNLU's official placement report anyway? Does our official placement report come with the tagline 'better than GNLU'?

Nobody is arguing that he didn't change your life for the better. You're contesting everyone saying that he might have done different for other people. As for your hypothetical, that's as far away from rational logic as it gets. He was not inside the room not by accident, it was done when he would not be, based on the account of the people who witnessed the matter. You are deliberately trying to colour that incident into a grave conspiracy to physically harm him. As for Sudhir having harmed students, physically no. Mentally, definitely yes. He is still doing that to many.

Students need to study harder and focus on improving themselves if they want better internships. You cannot bank on your university's reputation, so the onus is on you to prove your worth to future employers. Build a good CV, learn to write decent cover letters. All of those resources are available on the Internet these days. Above all, read the law.

You cannot understand or appreciate practical insights unless you have got the theoretical understanding or perspective beforehand. You keep trying to make it an either/or scenario. I would have liked to have both. Neither on their own could give me everything. As a professional of more than a decade's experience, I still value my university education highly. It takes less time to learn the basics of practical work, that is what internships, clerkships, learning as a junior associate are all for. It takes more time to absorb theoretical and holistic understanding and build a strong foundation. That's what college/university life is for. That does not mean one cannot get to have both together in varying degrees.

1. Universities have to cater to all students regardless of their career choice, so they have to focus on common basics that would apply to all.

2. Job specific training is what internships and on the job CLE are for. Indian law firms don't pay much attention to either so as to develop a better quality of law grads. Nor do many practising litigators. The onus is actually on them to at least tell the interns what to learn, because they are looking for their future associates among those.

I don't disagree that there is a considerable disconnect between university education and professional requirements. However, all the stakeholders involved have to come together to sort it out in the long term. Universities alone cannot solve it.

have done both and found that the aim of academic law teaching is to create a pattern recognising capability in the student, interpreting the law in action, let them explore how a particular law has evolved, and finally why is the law as it is? law practice is about applying the law and focusing on what is the law, negotiating with clients, paying staff etc.

Tutorials try to simulate the application a bit, but pales in comparison to real life. Moots do not in anyway reflect the true nature of on ground arguments. Only about 10-15% of materials taught at the uni is helpful in practice. There is a lively debate in the UK academia as to what is the purpose of law schools for creating practice ready solicitors and the responses are mixed.

This is true. During the pandemic, JGLS offered students to opt for a Pass/Fail grade instead of the standard GPA grade. Certain peeps who got offers on zero day from CAM had too many P/Fs which essentially manipulated their true GPA. CAM only reviewed the transcripts after giving out offers, and ended up retracting few of them. Don’t know the exact number though.

A Turkish ice cream shop near my house (Delhi) is advertising 28K salary per month for an ice cream juggler. So this is more than what 90% of what young lawyers make in India, right? Granted that a regular ice cream scooper earns much less (10K a month) and that an ice cream juggler requires some practice, but surely that doesn't justify the salary discrepancy vis-a-vis law? Isn't it time young lawyers were paid fairly?

Hi

I am 25 year old recent graduate of law currently working in a corporate office. I am want to work as lawyer in Australia but i am little afraid that how much is the scope of a Indian lawyer in Australia.

I want to as a corporate lawyer and i am also ready to pass their bar exam but one thing will they accept us a lawyer or can i make good amount of money their after 4-5 years of struggle in the field of law.

I'll accept for the moment that a law university's job is not solely restricted to providing vocational training. However, most students are only ever going to deal with law in its vocational aspects. From that perspective, a good vocational training in the law is more beneficial for students than a good academic one. It makes little sense then to attach such outsized importance to the pedigree of the teachers recruited by a law school. It's going to make little difference in most students' professional careers and the resources utilized in attracting and retaining such teachers can be put to better use (for example by creating a diverse system of electives and seminars on various areas of the law taught by practitioners).

With respect to your point about the kind of work freshers in law firm/litigation, I have two responses: (1) Since most law schools do such a poor job of training their students in the vocational aspects of law, firms/litigation chambers cannot trust freshers to do the job properly straight out of law school and therefore only assign relatively less complex work to freshers till they gain the requisite training on the job. This is certainly not an argument for less vocational training in law schools; and (2) Even if you don't believe (1), the lack of a connection between the kind of work done by freshers in law firms/litigation and vocational training in the law isn't an argument against vocational training. It's an argument against legal education generally as what you are taught in law school (whether vocational/academic) has very little correlation or influence on what you actually end up doing in your professional career.

Haan. It’s very easy to say this when you are not confused with your choices. Some people here are in genuine need of advice for their careers , colleges , jobs etc. And it’s not like we are asking the mod to deliver the content within minutes. Take time , but at least have a time cutoff of 8-9 hours. This site is slow as hell

We are all in this together aren’t we? Why keep reiterating the same thing when it’s know to everyone else? Our college has gone down to the lowest point in its entire establishment. And y’all know why. The recent reports released by the BO’24 in their non-existent LinkedIn account is laughable to say the least. The situation is so horrid that even the best batch of our times has to use Tier-2 internships (not even a single tier-1 finalised offer or tier-2 for that matter) as their saving grace. The reasons behind these are known to all. Apart from the general situation of non-cooperative admin and increasing reservation of localities , the students just lack any passion. And those who do have passion are snakes , hell-bent on impressing seniors to get opportunities for mooting. There is this one particular guy who is considered a messiah in this college. Extremely problematic and arrogant( for no reason whatsoever) , chooses people from his own sacred bastion who keeps on heaping praises on him. Extremely overrated , that guy is the reason behind nusrl’s downfall. Won’t even hint towards this person , else I myself will get cancelled. And I definitely don’t want my post to get redacted. If you want grades , just oil the professor. Unlike other NLUs , NUsRL doesn’t even use codes to maintain transparency in checking copies. When you will first join , you will be painted a rosy pic for the first week - ‘amazing placements , best mooting culture and research-oriented design of curriculum’- well all these are farce. But what can you do? No one will listen. Appointing a NLSIu prof as a Vc won’t solve the problems of toxic students and their mediocrity. Even nlu Nagpur is doing better than us , although they have been established four years later. Your mental health will be noticeably worse if you join NUSRL.

I won’t reveal my batch , else my social life will take a toll. One or two months back - there was a food poisoning crisis in the mess. The food contractor had to be fired for his negligence. The students were extremely concerned. Ngl , some seniors are extremely toxic and get good grades due to the said ‘favouritism’ that has been mentioned by the OP. You have to remain in the good books of your professors and majority of them will give you grades if you raise any point in class (regardless how dumb it is). You have to remain in the good books of your seniors to get to participate in moots. The worst thing is that the intra-moots are chaired by seniors (what a joke) and there persists a rampant favouritism favouring students who can oil well. I don’t like spitting hatred on my own college , but it’s getting increasingly difficult at NUSRL to survive. A particular batch keeps on increasing deadlines because they can’t complete anything within time. The internship committee barely manages to handout Tier-2 boutique internships and placements at best even after trying their fullest. And these internships are only secured by those who have connections or simply batch toppers (rarely even.) The ‘so-called’ best batch of NUSRL is suffering from horrifying placement stats. Trust me , a lot of people have seen those miserable figures with their own naked eyes. Another factor has become a talk of the town. One of our junior batches (probably 2027) saw around 7-8 people leaving NUSRL after reattempting clat/olets. Clearly the quality has taken a hit. This year’s (batch of 2028) merit list saw the most number of vacancies from NUSRL. The general rank has even gone down as well. It gives me extreme anxiety sometimes to even think where my future lies in this particular college. So I completely sympathise with the OP. The administration is the worst you can see. There is no proper security for girls hostels. The localities make a very big issue and keep questioning the integrity at every stage possible. The only feeble ray of hope is that the NLSIU Prof has now come as VC - we can see some improvements. This depends on us students as well. It just hurts that instead of working hard , the admin keeps on blaming us. We students try our best to remain relevant and secure placements. The outcome is always the worst thing possible. Not only your seniors , but some your batchmates (thank god we have some good ones) will try to create fuss in the slightest of the matter. To all those who are coming here , work to the extreme ends of this universe to secure your future. Else you will have a rough time. I don’t admire this veil of anonymity. But to stay safe , I kinda have to.

I am a 3rd year student in a T1 NLU and I have no publications in my CV. I am currently struggling with the process of writing and publishing in reputable blogs and then transitioning to decent journals. I would be elated if you guys could guide me through the process. Could you please share your own experience in this regard? Specifically, how did you go about finding suitable topics? How did you proceed with writing about those topics, and what key considerations should I keep in mind before starting to write?

Thank you in advance for your help :)

Hi, from what I’ve been doing - read up ICDR end to end, keep reading re-reading until you are familiar with the requirements (schedule VI). Grab any good draft of a DRHP and go through what the chapters are - correspond them to the provisions in the companies act and familiarise yourself with them. There are no specific courses or anything that will teach you substance. Just the bare regulations and companies act are important.

Also on the side understand how the primary market works - how an IPO takes place, what do all the different terms mean when it comes to listing, and subsequently trading.

Also get a hold of different agreements - offer agreement, SHA - understand what all rights the shareholders have to forego when a company goes public.

NUJS has taken a decision to impose electives subjects on students in its academic curriculum. Rather than choice system where students would opt for 3/10 subjects as per choice, they have made 3 groups of 3 subjects each and students have to compulsorily select one group. The reasoning college is giving is because in choice based system, electives by strict professor who were serious with academic rigour kept getting scrapped, whereas professors who gave easy marks kept getting students.

Because these days just about everyone questioning those right of centre are termed as left wing. What I mean to say is that space at the centre has shrunk. Most law students that you are speaking of are centrists or barely left of it. Left wing was a whole different ball game at least in its pure sense. It signified moving away from one’s cozy existence in the cities to live and work with one of the many marginalized peasant and/or labor communities. Do you know many from the law schools who would fit that bill? Do you know many who would even seriously contemplate it?

Further, even these centrists or slightly left off centre people can have quite a right wing economic outlook. See, RW is also not merely a political outlook (think traditional Fascism), it is also a view on fiscal and the economic (think traditional conservatism or even Tony Blair’s ‘new’ labor).

In sum, a deep reading and a nuanced thought is required to actually make sense of what you observe. If not, then we are left with mere trolling. Hope this helps.

To each their own. We have become really immature as a community generalising choices and justifying them with our flawed viewpoints. This year a girl from NLS’28 got Duke University (fantabulous SAT score) and conveniently joined the college abroad. I came to know this from a trusted source. On the other hand , hardly a year and a half back a person got UCL to pursue law. The person also made into NLS. Even after getting adequate financial aid and coming from a well-off family , the person joined NLSIU. Let’s take another example from the batch of 2026 where a person made into several decent (plus excellent) colleges abroad , got a rank from 1-10 in clat , chose to stay at NLS. I , for instance , got colleges like KCL and Edinburgh, chose to stay at NALSAR (for a variety of reasons). I have also mentioned this in a thread regarding Lnat in this forum only. I have seen multiple people spending a year at a tier-1 nlu (nlu Jodhpur/nujs) and got LSE/KCL next year. They went without any hesitation. Now my question is , where does the metric for comparison lie?

I don't think Musk will win. You can't stop other competitors from starting their own social media sites, be it Koo or Gettr or Trump's Truth Social....

Also, so sad we don't get exciting cases like this in India, as we don't have high-innovation companies here ☹️

https://www.hindustantimes.com/technology/elon-musk-twitter-threatens-to-sue-meta-threads-says-cheating-is-not-fine-mark-zuckerberg-instagram-101688689278023.html

Yes, the music tastes at NLSIU tend to be more sophisticated than other law schools. The fest is named after a Beatles song and that typifies the music scene at NLSIU: Beatles, Pink Floyd, Duke Ellington, Coltrane, Beethoven, Wagner, Zubin Mehta, Ravi Shankar, Zakir Husain, Amjad Ali Khan etc. There are very few takers for Neha Kakkar or EDM or Bieber or Kpop.

Looking at the annual income may not be a good indicator, as sometimes there are some windfall gains. Also, sometimes you get paid only when the case resolves (so, didn't get paid anything for a year in a case, then got the entire fee). Stuff like this can skew the image. That being said, it would be around 8-10LPA.

Clients you get only through networking and delivering results to your clients. I have had clients refer me more work because they were happy with what I did. I have also had other lawyers refer work to me because they knew I work in a particular field of law.

Cheers.

Of course it’s done with the VCs consent. It’s just silly to think he’s doing these things unilaterally. There are academic review committees, he has to discuss this stuff with other colleagues and they have to agree with him.

Look the fact of the matter is - nls wasn’t well equipped enough to offer specialisations. No law schools are. To do that you need 5-10 faculty all working on and specialising in one area of the law. When Sudhir came in there were like 30 something professors total. I know you want a specialisation on your CV - you should’ve gone to a place where they offered you that. Foundations of private law - Sudhir doesn’t even teach. I doubt he cares very much about private law. Nigam does though - and he’s very good at teaching it. Sudhir taught legal system reform policy - do you think that’s a course about abstract stuff ? They’re literally reading charts and data tables and figuring out empirical literature - that’s the whole course.

Just because it’s not your cup of tea doesn’t mean it’s useless.

Why do you want an llm if you want to practice anyway ? Just go practice. An llm is for people curious about the law - maybe they want to research or do academia. It’s not a remedial course for folks who went to worse colleges for undergrads.

Hi, I'm a current student of NLSIU from the BALLB course so my answers may have some bias but here's my take on this:

1) Yes, academics is a lot more hectic than NALSAR but the competition within the batch is equally strong. So, it's easier to pass in Nalsar than in NLS but it's equally tough to be a topper or an average kid in either of the places.

I didn't quite get the point on "Students can design and choose their own courses" can you explain a bit?

2) NIRF data is the last thing which u should rely upon before deciding a college. Being a student of NLS and having friends in places like Nalsar and NUJS, I know for a fact that the placement scenario is almost the same. The highest and average package remains thr same while there would be a few people who struggle to get a job. If you are looking at placements, then there won't be much of a difference. On the point of foreign placements, the toppers in NLS usually prefer foreign LLMs and not placements which is one of the reasons why you may find more TCs at Nalsar. Another reason is that NLS has a smaller batch size compared to nalsar.

3) This is of course a personal choice but I'll say living in the city has its own perks. You will have to get a cab to reach your nearest medical shop at Nalsar whereas NLS is very much in the city especially after the metro has started. There are externship opportunities at places like CAM and AZB that NLS provides which Nalsar cannot.

Fees is something which definitely goes against NLS so I'll leave it upto you.

Some of the advantages which NLS has over Nalsar are a better brand value in the market as well as in foreign markets etc. The infrastructure is improving at a very fast-pace and at the moment, everyone who wanted a hostel has got a hostel. They are building more so that shouldn't be an issue.

The quality of professors hasn't really decreased. I have been taught by the new hires and most of them are good at what they do. Yes, a few of then are absolute shit.

The bottom line is that there is not much to choose between the two. If you think that you would be able to have a very good social life at Nalsar because academics are less rigorous then that's not true because there will be people who would work really hard and competition will make sure that you start working as hard as people in NLS does!

It was his office dude. He could have been in the room - it’s just a lucky thing he wasnt. Do you understand the law ? Do you understand why we have attempt offences ? Do you understand that failing to hurt someone doesn’t absolve you of trying to hurt someone ?

How can an adult with a fully functioning brain even argue this ?

We’re having a disagreement right now - you’ve said mean things to me. Shall I come to your house tomorrow and burst crackers in your room ? Would that be an appropriate response ? Obviously not.

It’s also not a harmless prank like “the office” those pranks are essentially affectionate. They still aggravate Dwight but they don’t try to harm him. An adult can see the difference.

I haven’t shifted any goalposts. Sudhir is a great teacher. He changed my life. And that of others I know. But he’s also a teacher who didn’t harm anyone. You guys fail at the latter - you have no credibility to talk about the former.

Hi all. I have received an offer from Ashwath’s and Raghubir’s team and wanted some guidance on which team to pick.

I am extremely determined and unlike most gen Z’s care about more about growth, and less about work life balance and free weekends blah blah.

I just want to be at the top of my game in 10 years from now.

Any suggestions?

Not even from NLIU, but sorry, there's no comparison between NLIU and SLSP, no matter how much NLIU declines. NLIU is simply better. I can guarantee that 99% of folks at SLS wouldn't have gotten into NLIU whereas most folks at NLIU could've easily gotten into SLS. And this includes even the domicile quota candidates of NLIU. SLS is a tier below all the top 7 NLUs.