Favoritism, committee politics (especially in MCC and IPC) and boot licking have increased exponentially post 2020 batch. Had to be the case. I hardly see an interest in the students at the college to get good placements. the fact that one can literally count the no. of students who received a tier 1 offer right out of college speaks volume of the quality. All the hard work and efforts to revive the Internship and Placement Committee by Batch of 2020 Batch of 2021 and Batch of 2022 has gone down the drain.

Word of advice to the juniors - Work as hard as you can. Make sure your CV doesn't comprise of only grades but all sorts of extra curricular activities. Participate in moots (if thats not possible due to shitty people handling MCC) go for publications (you don't need an external help here). Focus on quality and quantity both. Go for international publications (people have done it in the past and I see no reason why you guys cannot). Beef up your CV. Talk to seniors who are currently placed at different law firms. They should be able to help you guys. Conduct webinars by associating with different law firms, increase visibility of the college and only then you can get rid of all these stigma.

NLUD has done more than NALSAR has in the past decade to deserve it. Anyone who’s been following these top NLUs knows that NALSAR has been and continues to ride on its brand value built during the Ranbir Singh era. The college hardly made any real progress under FM and it’s questionable what SKDR will really do to improve that.

It's tough in Indus. Especially with cap marks. If you happen to intern in cap marks, the word goes around very quickly from associate to partner, and the quality of work depends on that work. If you are getting work from PA and above, there is a good chance that your feedback is good and you are on a line to get PPO.

Well, NALSAR isn't actually better. If you look at the last 10 years or so, NALSAR hasn't been better in any field of achievement, be it moots, scholarships or graduate exams compared to its rival NLUs. But I think it comes down to general perception, especially for youngsters who are ignorant of nuances between top NLUs. They'll choose NALSAR based on the so-called order of establishment, or word of mouth from peers. And NALSAR seems more professionally run than NUJS.

As someone who saw a senior do exactly this- DON'T. LLM is a great option if you really want to a deep dive in a specific area of law. The 1-year NLU tag does not help much because the placement supports are meant for the undergrads, not the post grads.

The only advantages of LLM (from your POV) is if you are going for a PSU job or in-house as a fresher. Even then they would rather just hire someone with a couple of years experience. The law firm life is mostly CV based.

Hi,

I am a recent graduate and have just joined a T1 firm. I want to desperately (for personal reason) move out of the country? I am okay with most jurisdictions i.e. UK, Ireland, Singapore, Australia, Canada & US.

Can someone who is experienced or has friends who have successfully made this maneuver please guide me? I know it’s bit difficult to transfer without some experience in Indian law firms but I am still holding out some hope.

P.s.: Please refrain from replying if you just want to make a comment on my decision to move out, I am looking for genuine advice.

Thank you in advance.

Response from Ramanuj: https://twitter.com/law_ninja/status/1676858887696437248?s=20

His law firm analogy is funny as hell: https://twitter.com/law_ninja/status/1677222291963523072?s=20

Degrees and rankings basically act as a proxy for student ability. Since the students in top colleges have to excel in competitive exams to get into these colleges and also face stiff competition while in college, there is a greater chance that they will have the necessary aptitude and ability to perform well in their professional careers. It does not necessarily mean that the kind of education in these colleges helps students in their professional careers to any appreciable degree. In fact, the opposite appears to be true as most employers, across all fields, agree that university education does a poor job of preparing students for professional life.

This is a HUGE generational shift in Indian politics. Previously, newspaper editors and Bollywood actors were awarded Rajya Sabha seats, but now social media influencers are recognised as being at least as influential as them, if not more. With just 5-6 years of solid Twitter engagement, Saket Gokhale got enough clout to be nominated as a Rajya Sabha MP, at a relatively young age. Thus, it's not far fetched that other popular influencers like Dhruv Rathee, Akash Banerjee, Sejal Kumar, Barkha Singh etc could also find their way to the Rajya Sabha in future, in place of ageing Bollywood actors and retired cricketers. The eventual impact could be more discussion in parliament on issues affecting the youth.

This could also be a message to lawyers to beef up their Twitter profile if they have political aspirations. J Sai Deepak, Karuna Nundy are Sanjay Hegde are all examples of lawyers whose fame has been greatly enhanced by social media. Among Gen Z, you have people like NUJS alum Aishwarya Mudgil (from the right) and GNLU alum Rohin Bhat (from the left) getting a lot of traction on Twitter.

NOTE: Regarding the title of my post, I refer to Saket Gokhale as a social media influencer because he is primarily known as a social media influencer (despite now joining the TMC) and became established on that basis. For example, an MP like Shashi Tharoor does not count despite his huge Twitter following, as he was already established in other fields before becoming a social media influencer. Same applies to Sachin Tendulkar, Mary Kom, Gautam Gambhir, Subramanian Swamy, Navjot Sidhu etc etc, who were/are all MPs. Saket Gokhale is very different than all of them, hence the title.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/trinamool-congress-candidature-six-candidates-derek-o-brien-saket-gokhale-rajya-sabha-elections-2404296-2023-07-10

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whole SC is a dumping ground for breeding nepotism, but milord to equality sirf gender me hi laenge yaha unko time kaha hai milord ko.

milord ka attention yaha kaise laaye milord toh khud nepotism k prabal davdedar hai.

milord ka fans aate hi honge abhi justify karne

Hi I am a NALSAR grad, who choose NALSAR over NLS some years back. I would say career out come wise it has made NO DIFFERENCE to me. Rank wise I will say NLS purely by perception (and not because of career outcomes) is considered above NALSAR. As I did lot of research while joining, generally speaking I have found the two institutes head and shoulders with each other. They are like Oxford and Cambridge of Indian law schools.

So see your defining reasons. Mine was that my dad was posted in Hyderabad and my then girlfriend (and now wife) was also in Hyderabad. It made no sense for me to join NLS or that I would gain anything extra by going there. So hoping you can find YOUR reason.

yeah highly respected my @shes.
when the most stereotype joke is are you a lawyer or liar?
or when they say it to your face or behind you, that lawyers are shit.
that's the respect you're talking about?
or when a young lawyer practicing is hardly making anything to meet bare end, or when he cant even go out to a restaurant with friend thinking of his share at home only and making up some excuses, even though your friends know you're broke, or when you're at the dating age but could not date because you have no money, and probably will have to settle with someone you dont want.

Yeah lots of respect in the society.

How is it that a thread on Nalsar about an actually serious issue has devolved into some nonsense about which kind of teaching is better? This also happened in the other thread about a NALSAR alum professor leaving for NLS. The debate became about whether that guy can be called a rock star and how women don’t get the same respect. I mean, what is with these kinds of arguments on every NALSAR thread? Do people really care this little about their institution’s future?

As for the guy who’s arguing that practical experience is more important, you are the definition of “tell me you you’re not from a top NLU without telling me you’re not from a top NLU”. There’s a reason why GLC is not ever in the same league as the top 4-5 NLUs despite the so-called “practical exposure”.

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I’m sure his family will contest this part of the will. But you have to ask if she genuinely loved him or just the money? She’s young enough to be his granddaughter.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ex-italian-pm-silvio-berlusconi-leaves-over-rs-900-crore-to-33-year-old-girlfriend-in-his-will-4192659#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

Honestly, being an ice cream juggler is way cooler. You also spread happiness. What do lawyers spread, except corruption and nepotism?

In terms of money, if an ice cream juggler is smart he can train 20 jugglers, open a chain of parlours and possibly make more money than most lawyers.

Trollish comment, but I'll engage. I think the NLS v. NALSAR debate was dead and buried since the mid-2010s once NALSAR increased its batch size and instituted a domicile quota. At that time, NLS was undoubtedly superior due to its small but high quality batches selected on only merit. But now with NLS doing the same thing on a much larger scale too, the debate once again attains relevance.

As far as my two cents go, I think NLS is a better option because of its superior faculty and historical brand. Look at it this way, NLS is the only NLU that could do something like this crazy expansion plan and still manage to stay on top (albeit with a lot of downsides to the huge batch size). NALSAR is already behind NLUD and if NALSAR or NLUD or NUJS did the same expansion idea, that would be like institutional suicide.

So you spoke to all the kids who did this and all of them felt bad for ditching NLS? Lmao, that's simply not true and no, I know people who dropped NLS for NLUD even though they were not from Delhi. Point being, NLS is still attractive to young ignorant kids because of its historical brand rather than actual substance in the present-day. And with such a massive batch size and domicile quota, OP would be better off at NALSAR, although I think his academic exposure at NALSAR will be much worse due to their faculty crisis.

Students have been known to put pressure on junior or contractual faculty to remove caps on their subjects. Moreover, if every student is allowed to take any of 10-11 electives, then the scheduling becomes a nightmare, with classes going on till 8 p.m., since you cannot have simultaneous classes for two courses. These are issues that have been already discussed over the years.

Thanks all for your feedback, we appreciate that moderation is an issue. Currently part of the problem is identifying reliable moderators, since moderation is not easy and getting it right anonymously is even harder.

One option that would make moderation easier is to give certain additional posting privileges to logged in accounts (without an email address) and with a good posting history, but that would not necessarily help newbies who are asking for advice, and we're not sure if most of the regulars would be willing to log in anonymously to post?

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Degrees wouldn't matter. Law firms would hire whoever from whatever noname college and train them. So why do you think everyone is obsessed with faculty and rankings. You may not understand that you learned things but presumably you did. And it helped you absorb this vocational training to a lesser or greater degree depending on your capacity for growth. That's what education does. It changes you. You can learn templates on your own.

I'm an associate in the disputes and international arbitration team at a T1 firm with 1 year PQE. I'm considering moving to an in-house position. Where and how should I look for in-house jobs? And do companies usually hire disputes associates, or do I need to learn some additional skills from other practice areas?

The problem is that technology has simultaneously brought people together and made them grow apart. You would think that it's easier to find partners now than in our parents' days, but that's not necessarily true. People don't physically meet as often as before, because of technology. And then you have social media, which has polarised us politically into wokes and non-wokes, which impacts dating too. As far as the legal profession is concerned, the number of toxic people here is very high, so that makes things worse.

As an NLUJ fifth year who does not endorse nor has taken ragging, I believe the 6th point is very valid. Don't go to tafri or any of the booze places without seniors. We have had cases of murder and kids passing out outside the campus. We have had police or the nearby shopowners dropping these 17 year olds who drink recklessly in their first year. Seniors always have a code where they know that a couple of them will always be sober enough to get everyone back. The maturity needs to be there. All the other rules are shit.

I think the third one was made to identify the first years and it was easy to talk to them. It is not a compulsary thing, if you are a first year and want to interact with seniors it was easier this way. Again not compulsary to not wear printed shirts, you can do whatever the shit you want

I am working in a good hospital as a CSSD Technician, its been 5 months now but everyday I feel I should quit as this work isn't from my field and its requires lot of physical strength. Also the shift hours is way long and is tiring, the co-workers aren't good at all. As a fresher I'm afraid to resign as I won't be getting jobs easily. The only advantage of this job is its nearby to my house and whilst doing this job I don't have to rely on my parents for money.

Having been both a funds lawyer and then subsequently a PE / VC lawyer, here is what you need to know.

First - Completely agree with Featured Guest below on what Funds practice is and and what PE/VC practice is.

Second - to answer your specific question on what working hours and style is like. Fund formation is a more advisory driven / stable practice. Late nights are less common compared to PE/VC practice - since the work is: (a) more standardised in many ways, (b) not urgency driven most of the time, and (c) not negotiation / counter party driven since fund formation work is rarely (except in case of LP-GP negotiations) something that happens with a third party i.e. you do the work for the client, you get comments from the client, you update the client and the final work product is signed off by the client.

One minor exception to the above is where you have to make regulatory filings / submissions - like filing an application with SEBI. Again, that work is largely standardised and rarely heart racing - and SEBI takes its time with most things (and from what I hear is taking more and more time).

On the other hand, PE/VC is transactional work and work hours are always up in the air. It's a lot of negotiation, due diligence type of work which means you could be working all the time and forever.

Another thing to note is that fund practice is tax adjacent. Meaning, you need to have some understanding of tax laws since funds are setup to mitigate tax risks. Again, the learning on this is standardised for the most part, but there will be structuring work (i.e. how funds are set up, which entity in which jurisdictions etc.) that is also substantially tax driven so you will need to have a working knowledge of a lot of these things. If you don't love tax then this will become a problem quickly.

Last, my personal note as someone who worked in the funds practice and then became a transaction lawyer (M&A / PE-VC) is that funds practice is great for a stable life and if I had been smarter I would have tried to build my career in a Tier 1 practice (like KCO for example - Siddharth Shah is awesome). WIth that said, I was young and wanted to do "exciting" work and transitioned to PE/VC work which I was actually better at (thankfully). This work is more exciting and in my opinion more "satisfying" (to me) - but the life is way worse.

Ultimately you'll figure it out as you go long and but know this. There is way less competition to be an amazing funds lawyer (since it is supposedly less glamarous) then to be a PE/VC lawyer, and depending on what you want in life you'll make the choice that makes sense to you.

The only youngest law firm partner I genuinely respect as he is a first generation professional lawyer (currently an eminent professor in NUS) is Mr Umakanth Varottil. He is from the third batch of NLS and was taught by renowned scholars like late Dr Madhava Menon and MPP Pillai. He also grabbed his LLM at NYU. Legend

Madras is a great place to practice litigation in the south. There are threads on high paying senior advocates in Delhi to practice litigation. Does anyone know good senior lawyers who pay well for litigation in Chennai? Drop the names of the lawyers and the salary package below.

Hii folks,

I am a final year LL.B. student at the Faculty of Law, University of Delhi. I have interned in law firms and offices of Advocate on Record in New Delhi in disputes/litigation team. I am looking forward to securing long-term internships in law firms and later pre-placement offers.

Please suggest to me a few firms which hire fresh law graduates and pay decent in disputes resolution team.

I have completed my LL.M. in International law and human rights. My PQE is about 1.5 years but not specifically in Arbitration (neither domestic nor international). But I am also pursuing a diploma in International Business Law, in which one of the key takeaways was conceptual knowledge of International Arbitration. I was always fascinated by the Arbitration as a career, and after gaining more knowledge about International Arbitration in my Diploma, I am seriously wiling to get an opportunity. I know it is almost impossible to directly land in a foreign arbitration firm, without prior experience, but could anyone help me in guiding, where should I start and what steps should I follow. Also how to land up in good and top law firms in India, which deals primiarily in Arbitration.