Just look at the dick-measuring contests on LI and in law firm conversations in general....

"My watch is Patek Philippe, so I am better than you".

"You must use Armani perfumes if you work in a Tier 1 firm"

"I have bought a fancy car, so I will date and marry the hottest girl associate"

"I only have coffee at the Taj. I wouldn't even look at a Starbucks".

Anyone who has worked in a law firm will relate to such remarks and show-off culture. But what's incredible is that many of these people are from very simple backgrounds. Prior to joining NLUs, they could barely speak in English. They were educated in govt schools in small towns, rather than elite schools in metro cities. Their parents work as low-ranking managers in government offices and can't even dream of entering the Taj. In fact, some of these "brand bros" are actually from SC/ST/OBC backgrounds and entered NLUs through legitimate reservation (non-creamy lawyer and genuinely poor).

So what accounts for such behaviour? Why do people turn into such douchebags when they join law firms? Is it peer pressure? Shouldn't those from less privileged backgrounds actually have more empathy?

The ajeeb of the ajeebs is ▮▮▮... during lockdown, ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮, the HR head, sent poetries and other stuff on email appreciating the new normal (which was WFH) and "new learnings". His emails were like an assurance that wfh is going to continue even after lockdown.

Ab na jaane koun sa bhoot chadh Gaya hai in logon ko ki they want to see associates in office. A partner has gone on record to say that the firm is facing logistics issues (don't have enough seating space) otherwise there would have been wfo on all five days.

Sab kuchh achchha chal Raha tha. We were more efficient when wfh... had also billed more

Partners and ▮▮▮ have forgotten the realisations which they had during lockdown

▮▮▮

No, you are not speaking from knowledge you are speaking without knowing anything at all.

I graduated from RML, you could clear most of the papers if you have solved PYQs.

Now i won't talk about UPSC because comparing a multi-degree university with a law college would be unfair but the results for judicial service exams speak for themselves. There were around 25 people who qualified for it, who i personally know from rmlnlu.

Placement scene is not good but around a dozen got in Tier 1 firms (mostly through PPOs)

and around 25 got in tier 2 firms, regulatory companies etc.

Also i don't get this issue with regular attendance, it would make sense if one was doing master's as a backup and preparing for a govt. exam by side, but 12th pass students should go to classes, it will help them academically, mentally and socially.

I mean you have already paid the fee, if you don't go to classes you're either doing online coaching or just wasting 5 years of your life doing nothing.

Hi, recently ITC hired from NUJS/NLS. One of my friends got placed with ITC, and he has received a package of 24 LPA. ITC is known for its good work culture, much better than T1s. Can anyone shed light on how will the career trajectory be after one joins a corporation like ITC? Is it better than T1s?

While a lot of people complain about long hours at firms, what are long hours like at your firm really? I am trying to compare objectively. How late do you work at least two-nights each week? How late do you work on the better days? When do you start office? How many full-weekends do you work each month? How many half-weekends (almost all of Saturday or Sunday) do you work each month? Please mention your law firm, are you in transactional (M&A/PE/VC), disputes, or general corporate practice or Other, and if possible your PQE range (1-3 yr/4-6 yr/7+). I ask because I assume there is a general variance in how many hours people are expected to work depending on practice areas and PQE. For eg, litigators generally work on weekends, transactional lawyers typically work long hours. Senior folks may be more efficient with experience and have more flexibility etc, so there may be some variance there too. Any inputs on other questions to ask and parameters to consider are welcome :)

This year's academic calender itself is complete farce. With these weird mid-month dates, it was very hard for many people to secure good internships as most firms prefer full months. Surprised to see so many insanely pro-admin voices in LI, maybe because they could never say such things in the campus group with their real IDs.

If you are keen to do TMT work no better training ground. There is a lot of work and you will put in the hours. The alumni is at Google, Amazon, JP Morgan, Stanford and at the IT ministry and the experience is generally valued in the industry. I was there 18 months+ ago though...

Hi, same dilemma, I am a t1 NLU student, currently placed too. But now I have second thoughts on actually joining and wish to work with a senior. I don't have any contacts, and wanted to apply with a good senior in Delhi. I have decent credentials with some great lit and corp internships (I believe). However, I not sure how to approach these seniors with my application. If anyone can help out, it would be really great.

▮▮▮. A senior professor has this policy of not letting anyone enter her chamber wearing shorts. She has this clear policy that wear anything you want during the class, but whenever you enter my chamber, you won't be allowed in shorts. She says it's my chamber and my rules would apply, you won't be allowed in these casual dress in any professional set-up. Whatever maybe your subjective views, but I don't think there's anything wrong with her reasoning, it's her chamber, and she can impose these restrictions.

Moreover, the culture of NUJS to stop anyone voicing a different point of view is worst. A student tried to speak of why the teacher had such views in the first place, he was bashed like anything in the college group. So much so that this junior year student won't even dare to speak against the popular perception ever again. Why do you want to go in hot pants in a professor's room? There were 100s of students being stopped earlier, but this time ▮▮▮ was stopped, that's why all the fiasco. It's the professor and the VC who are tolerating such things to pile up, this behaviour of grow-up students should not be tolerated.

Thank You!

Never in support of such activism

Will the students who have taken 'responsibility' for breaking the locks also accept the disciplinary action that should follow such crimes? Or does their armchair activism only extend to writing emails? Of course the guards should be show caused for locks having been broken. Their job is to prevent it from happening or taking immediate action by reporting it to the authority. You are so comfortable with indiscipline and anarchy that you have now started normalising it.

Hi I’m an A3 at a boutique M&A firm with just enough time and flexibility at work to have a thriving freelance gig in the same field. My current situation complements my skills which revolve more around building relations with clients (that is one of the reasons of the flexibility afforded to me at the firm I work at) rather than going the grunt work itself (not that I’m lacking at it or whatever). 3 months ago I accepted a job at a T1, but I ended up backing out of it a few days before joining because I was worried my skills wouldn’t be best suited to a larger firm and mainly because the effective pay was much lesser (won’t get into numbers so as to not attract trolls). I’ve been second guessing my decision of late and wondering whether prioritising the monetary aspect at this stage was the correct call. Mainly, I fear missing out on the concentration of talent at a T1 and benefits associated therewith.

The academic calendar clearly mentioned that the vacation would be till November 18. If students have despite arranged for internships till November 30, then they have done so at their own risk. If they believe that internships should be prioritized over academic commitments, then they shouldn't have any problem with interning and letting go of the ten marks earmarked for viva.

Whatever is going wrong, is definitely not the moderator's fault and more likely a tech or other issue... Generally comments shouldn't be disappearing though - very occasionally we will delete comments in case of duplicate comments, or spam, or completely irrelevant stuff (rather than unpublishing / unmoderating them), but generally they should be visible as unmoderated.

Apply phase wise. First T1, then T2 and then T3.

Be proactive and contact headhunters.

Look for platforms like YLCC which provide updates on legal jobs.

Follow pages of law firm on LinkedIn, they show you vacancy.

Last tip- join premium of LinkedIn, it’s free trail is on now, for a month. Put your desired job details and get updates.

Wishing you all the best.

A hearing took place on 6 September 2024, as scheduled, under a new judge. Lawrence Liang was represented by NLSIU alum Advocate Jawahar Raja. The survivor was represented by NUJS alum Advocate Goutham Shivshankar. AUD was also represented.

The following order was passed:

"Pursuant to the Order dated 09.05.2018, the Committee for Prevention of Sexual Harassment has been arrayed as a party to the present proceedings. Ms. Astha Gupta, learned Counsel, accepts notice on behalf of the Committee for Prevention of Sexual Harassment and seeks some time to get instructions.List on 16.01.2024."

Thus, 11 hearings in 6 years. No substantive arguments made yet and the SH committee has only just been served notice.

https://dhcappl.nic.in/dhcorderportal/GetOrder.do?ID=smp/2023/726009531694447201646_59088_2023.pdf

I recently interviewed (technical round) for an internship at Resolüt. Though I am awaiting my result. I am amused by the negative reputation of this firm on LI. I found the person interviewing me really approachable and friendly. Also, the firm have very few people, despite of this it is involved in some high value transactions. I see Resolüt as a great space to learn. I have interned with a couple of Tier 1 firms as well and have interviewed at several top firms but out of them all, Resolüt seemed most friendly to me (though I have had a very limited interaction with the firm) but I don't see it as a place that fakes being friendly.

Really sorry for the inconvenience caused, we tend to avoid moderating comments that have the potential to be trollish or unsuitable for the platform and leave it up to the main mod to judge it. However, we're slowly and steadily realising the fine line and it won't be long before we get experienced enough to take the call :)

Law firms in general have really bad HRs. Most of them are lazy leftists with liberal arts or humanities degrees (such people need to be paid less than MBAs). Firms don't like investing in HR because it's a cost centre for them and a lot of the HR work is usually just done by the partner himself.

He hasnt kept any money! Jindal increases Rajs salary based on how much money he brings in. Sudhir has never been paid for charging fees. Do you even know what the fees was at APU? Do some research. Hes made financial decisions that to any adult seems fair and seems like its in the best interest of the university. Thats his job.

The protests were mainly because some guards and mashis were given show cause notice as some students had broken the terrace locks in both the hostels. This comes along with a long line of unfair treatment of the workers who are fired and their basic rights are often not met. Plus the grand viva which has been introduced suddenly which would require students to study their entire course and give it in front of all their subject teacher in one day itself had been introduced arbitrarily in the middle of the session with no consideration for the internship plans of students. Moreover there is a lot of anger against the register for introducing several regulatory changes without any proper procedure and off-course the usual infrastructure deficiencies which someone take forever to solve.

So I received a mail form the HR for a lateral hiring. It is a questionnaire form. What all they do they ask in the interview and how should I structure the form so as to make it look god. Also, do they hire freshers, since I only graduated in 2023 and don't know if they would be able to accommodate me.

A tier-1 partner working in Projects, Energy and was caught with recording devices during arbitration proceedings. The arbitrators recorded the incident in the minutes of meeting of the arbitration, and observed that if the recording was not deleted/misused, they would take action under section 45 (?) Of the A&C Act.

One big advantage of colleges like Jamia and Aligarh Muslim University is that they don't care about attendance, and in fact encourage the students to stay at home and prepare for the UPSC. Exams are very easy too. So if you want to give the UPSC exam, Jamia is a better option because any NLU will mean a lot of work and regular attendance.

P.S. I am speaking from knowledge. My good friend left a tier 3 NLU for AMU for this reason and eventually made it to a government service.

Expect to work with top tier tech clients and good lawyers. It comes at a cost. Work hours are not the easiest but that varies from team to team. People are nice. and in my case I love the work. The firm is a tech boutique, so if you don't want to do tech work, don't join. The range of tech work at the firm though is quite wide.

Given my friend's firsthand experience, I urge you to exercise caution when considering employment here. I recommend a review of Glassdoor comments, focusing on attrition rates and internal politics.

The constant year-round hiring is a red flag, reflecting excessive work demands. My friend often worked late into the night, sacrificing weekends. Although remote work was once an option, its current status is uncertain.

Furthermore, my friend shared stories of colleagues leaving voluntarily or being terminated shortly after joining. These concerns should give you pause when contemplating a role at this organization.

However, as per Glassdoor they have a great roster of clients and the remuneration is on the higher end.

Rumors are that a female VC has finally been appointed in NLU Jodhpur, it has been almost 2 months since Poonam Pradhan Saxena left.

For the past 2 months NLUJ had both an interim VC and Registrar, let's hope this new VC appointment and the observation by the SC in the contractual faculty case take the university to newer heights.

Who is the new VC going to be Harpreet Kaur, Ved Kumari or someone else.

No one regrets leaving nusrl for anything nowadays. The placements between JMI and NUSRL (the internal politics is just too much) don’t have much difference anyway.

And if giving clat is the primary aim , then any college will do.

Even CNLU is doing better than nusrl nowadays. The new VC doesn’t seem very promising.

This is a line from a thread on Gsanks chamber from a few days ago - in fact I have heard him give the same advice to many including me.

I think the top chamber clearly is Venugopals - Chidambaram, Vaudyanatahan, Nariman, Viswanathan, Guru, Parag, Jaideep Gupta, Gsanks himself, Haripriya, Suhasini, and many more

Sorabjee gave us Salve, GS, Ganesh, Lalit, Pritish Kapur and Manish Singhvi.

Don't know about anyone particular from Sibal, Singhvi or Salve except for a couple of HC judges.

In the present lot, CU Singh, Viswanathan (before judgeship), Vaidyanathan, PH Parekh have produced a quite a few

bhai isme kya itna chup chupke, Tlegal put a public post showing the voting. AM left CM Delhi from SAM and joined T Legal. But people at SAM know exactly that he was asked to leave lol. He wasn't exactly on the board for Equity, and the only island you land on when you loose clients is T legal.

All the best!

Okay I understand the HR at law firms are not as professional as maybe HR departments at Google, Amazon or Blackstone group (who are all hated and incompetent in some way too), you have to understand that nobody who studies for HR, wants to work at Law firms unless they are rejected at listed companies etc, which hire en masse and pay well. So yes, you don't exactly have the cream of the HR students of Indian in law firms.

Second, from my experience, law firms are shops where the MP and senior EPs are King, they decide everything. EVERYTHING. So the HR necessarily asks them before even saying a word or replying to a email. They are mouthpieces.

So as per procedure, your situation would be, the partner didn't wanna hire in the 2024 batch as didn't wanna shed money, but still wanted free labour, so they are making you work so you are no longer "fresher".

Also is the firm you are referring to the Mumbai office at D** *****. Maybe I know you lol.

the head hr of a t1 once told us interns "Imagine you are a doctor and you get a call at 2 AM that someone had a heart attack. You can't say 'sorry, work life balance'. Being a lawyer is like that, all-nighters are common. As long as it's not more than 20 nights a month, it's fine."

this is one of the t1s that has an awful reputation wrt how it treats people, worse than the other t1s

Hello.

A recent graduate here. Still without a job. Doing internships in my preferred area of work.

Can we have people from the 2023 graduate community share their experiences, struggle, career dilemma, financial despondency and other problems. And even if anything good is going on which they could share. Something that could motivate the rest of us.

Got NUSRL, left, joined JMI.

I don't regret. I, anyway will litigate.

Placement wise, RML is better. You can grab PPO here as well. No placement scene tough.

Attempt 2024, better if you could secure top 3.

Good luck buddy, and a very warm welcome to Jamia, have fun ;)

Note - Go through LI's threads on placement scenes of the NLUs this year.

These people ask hardball questions? Since when? Moreover, media is supposed to question those in power and not exclusively the opposition. The people named are mostly fake news spreading communal bigots. For the sake of both the Left and the Right, as well as those in Centre, the media world would be better without these people in it.

Truth needs no name. SCAMSLAR needs a vigilant administration that maintains its promise of providing high quality legal education rather than commercialized low quality business education. It needs to refrain from promoting the vested interests of the FM gang by giving them underserved promotions. It must clamp down on all those who are earning money on the name of the university by engaging in external activities without due information and notice to the university.

Stop promoting mediocrity and fraud. !

I have a decent CV. I can make it into a very good chamber or a decent law firm. (Non-NLU, first gen)
I request my seniors, herein to please, please advise me according to my situation as stated:

- I want to practise, nothing else (in the longer run)

- I want to become a designated Senior counsel, want to start early.

- I want to go to a firm only because of money for 3-4 years, and then join a senior counsel. The problem is, till when I would follow money? After 3-4 years, I might be a senior associate, might make double. Would it be possible for me to leave that and get back to a chamber again for far less than what I could make at a law firm? I doubt.

- I can negotiate with chambers for 40-50k.

- I don't need to look after my family in its entirety. A slight contribution will suffice. However, I need money to lead a dignified life in a metro city, not mere animal existence.

Thank you in anticipation!

After the dark era of P Ishwara Bhat, college was doing well under NK Chakrabarti and Raja Chakraborty as registrar. However, students whose were being disciplined have resorted to protest. VC is trying really hard to improve academic quality and evaluation pattern. Nowadays students don't want to study only need degrees and placements. Shameful. In solidarity with Hon'ble VC Sir.