I know this because I actually am facing this. Except my college degree and 0 internships, I have nothing, nada to write on my CV. No publications, no research, nothing.

I filled space by writing -

- Hobbies - Playing cricket, watching netflix

- Languages - Hindi, English

- Software skills - Microsoft Word, powerpoint.

Overall, I think the world is more open to failures now. You can jumpstart again. And of the 6-10 interviews I have given, in the over 800+ applications, (and got rejected their too), I was never asked about gap year or something. Never. It was more about this job, and your skills towards it.

However, I will agree that there is a lot of competition in all fields and this makes life very difficult. Marketing, PR, Journalism, Economics, Analytics, policy all fields as all your peers will have work ex + masters degree.

But, well, life goes on. You search for ways to break in. That's it. Although I will say, the 6 attempt, 32y age limit is a blessing in disguise for the General category. Else, I would have continued in the same loop of mistakes and depression for eternity.

Management Consultant bane la bahut case study solve karna padta hai + good enough quick math skills. Usme IIT, CAT students ko harana mushkil hai.

Ha, communication + okayish practice of case studies + speaking in a structure as in 1, 1A, 1B ki taiyari karke it is possible to crack MBB. But, see the case studies, solve it everyday.

Follow a guy called Sarthak Verma on Linkedin. ISB alum. He everyday shares Consulting cases. So, see how it is solved.

A toxic person is anyone whose behaviour adds negativity and upset to your life.

This clip has portrayed my current life situation -https://youtube.com/shorts/NYY0t2muhNc?si=nKRDO2WxXhG5JTRM

(if link is not visible, then search "Are your parents controlling" on YT by Raj Shamani)

Not taking names, but many NUJS alumni with Oxbridge/Harvard/Magic Circle credentials/tier 1 firm equity partnerships are actually NRI quota alumni. If you look at their backgrounds, they are from reputed schools and well-connected families, and have an excellent command of the English language. These things give them an edge. Also, many actually had pretty decent CLAT ranks: good enough to get into NLUJ or GNLU. They would have made it to the NUJS merit list had there not been any caste/EWS/domicile quota.

So what I am saying is don’t be dismissive of such people. Have been seeing some sarcastic comments on LI.

The thing is NLUP is not part of the consortium. It only accepts CLAT scores. That said, the consortium has no authority to decide whether new NLUs should be opened or not. Their only task is to administer the CLAT exam. Nothing more.

With NLUP, now the other NLU in UP will get sidelined.

In Kolkata JP Khaitan and Abhratosh Majumdar are the most prominent Senior Advocates. They do both direct and indirect tax matters. There is also Samir Chakraborty (also a Sr Adv) who mainly appears in indirect tax matters. The leading juniors are Saurabh Bagaria, Arijit Chakraborty, Avra Majumdar, Pratyush Jhunjhunwala, Ankit Kanodia and Pranit Bag. There is another advocate- Sudhir Mehta who is not a designated senior but has a strong customs law practice.

I'm a student at a private law college in Bengaluru. Attendance isn't mandatory in my college, allowing me to pursue long-term internships at law firms. However, my concern is interning with a team that isn't hiring. I'm also open to opportunities in firms in other cities. Any recommendations or leads on firms and teams would be greatly appreciated.

Let me tell you the reasons why I left recently:

1) As already mentioned in another comment, the MANAGING PARTNER. Very volatile, changes wfh policies at whim and fancies, unnecessarily pressurising grown adults to attend regulatory update sessions, conferences, seminars, even office parties (yes, will get annoyed at people for showing up late even). ▮▮▮tries to convince everyone that work-life balance is a myth. ▮▮▮

2) The salary is not at par with Tier 1 firms (as the firm generally likes to consider itself one). Bonuses and increments are not paid on time with the administration/MP shamelessly making childish and flimsy excuses for the delay to grown adults.

3) Quality of work and clients is okay- nothing particularly spectacular.

4) No good brand image as such 2 years into its existence.

Some positives:

1) Some of the partners are quite nice and deserve credit for that (of course there are exceptions, but speaking generally). Apart from the Managing Partner, I see myself defending the behaviour of quite a few other partners (again, with exceptions)

2) Much to the managing partners dislike I assume, there is a pretty decent semblance of work-life balance (as compared to other T-1s) for quite a few teams.

Hi - not exactly for complaining against a partner but yes, for rubbing a partner the wrong way (ego issues related trouble and not work related). Shit happens, life goes on. If you know your value and have enough self-confidence, get out of this place. Alternatively, stick around and show them that they were always wrong about you. Although, I feel that in the latter situation, odds are heavily stacked against you.

If you look it as it is, NALSAR is the way. But if you take it in a 5-year period, basically the long game, GNLU might be the more probable choice. Gnlu has grown fairly well among all the NLU’s, no doubt, NUJS and NALSAR are superior, but if investing 5years in a faster horse may reap you more fruits, go for it.

The BA subjects and juris should have one course each instead of 2, except economics.

ADR and Trade law are already compulsory subjects here. I would suggest adding IT law (This should take care of privacy and other cyber security laws), Competition law is also taught as part of Corp II so that's covered as well, we can add capital markets maybe

There is no perfect age tbh. The next thing would be to strip voting rights off illiterate people cuz they don't understand the larger issues and are too easily swayed by false promises. The present situation is not perfect but changing the minimum age won't make things better.

Here's why you are absolutely off the mark:

a. Partner should've planned better if he/she is a real deal-maker/client getter. Partner should've hired 2-3 associates at least so that the team can take offs and get breaks from time to time without letting work suffer.

b. The trip was planner, expenses were incurred and therefore actual damages took place. Nowhere has the partner said they'll recompense for the costs incurred and/or make whole for the situation they've put this chap in.

c. I am on the client-side now after 7 years on the firm-circuit. No client will appreciate the behavior from the partner because this means that the person has absolutely no sense on how to behave with other people or how to staff their team. While it doesn't make a difference to me tangibly, it does mean that my work is being done begrudgingly by associate who's probably on an understaffed or incompetent team. Either way it looks off.

d. There are service providers in competitive businesses everywhere, they don't behave like total asshats.

People with 6 UPSC attempts, Blank paper in the name of CV (read mentioning Hobbies are Watching cricket and Netflix) and 0 Mains, (with age 30+) don't even consider their careers ruined. Aap abhi se rona start kar diye hai.

Yudh toh abhi shuru hua hai mitr. Yudh lado, antim saans tak.

I just got news and saw the notice ▮▮▮ and ▮▮▮ sent to LI. While I understand you want to sensationalise things, you have crossed a line. I am sure you would never let this come up. But shame on you LI team. You guys have stopped so law. I never want to come back to this website

#BoycottLI&Kian

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Take up whatever you get. Don't add up a gap in your cv. I am in the same position as you are and I am taking up litigation as the starting offers are 3-4 LPA and the grind is also similar to what my corporate internships were. Now it feels like I was never into corporate it was only the salary I was running after.

The world is an unfortunate place filled with nepotism, privilege and greed.

If you start at 3LPA then it might take you 6-7 years to reach 16 LPA, which is what a T1 A0 earns.

My suggestions to you are as follows:

1. Try and apply for Paralegalship at various firms. If you say you have skills then you may convince them to convert it into an offer.

2. Keep interning for a while even after graduation and see if boutique law firms hire you at decent pay.

3. Try applying to legal startups or other new age law offices, might give a good start to you.

4. Pivot and try giving exams like SEBI law officer, etc.

please no. As a Jindal student, I can tell you it is not worth taking a damn loan. It is not easy to get internships [w/o connection even as a top student] or a job [as per seniors] if you graduate from here so paying back the loan will take a while. Don't give up on SLAT without even trying. You should also try Christ University. Jindal is only worth it if you can afford it easily.

NLUs like aurangabad and shimla are not worth spending 15 lakhs fees. Prepare for DU and then MBA. If you want to do law then try for NLS 3 year LLB after DU.

Instead of calling your parents "toxic" (realise how ungrateful that is), buckle up and work hard. God repays every minute of honest work. Don't try to convince the world that you're working hard, you always know the truth.

What I mean by Corporate lawyer is that I want to work as a Corporate Lawyer in T1 firms and I understand the hesitation with respect to hiring me because of the age factor but assuming that I do well in my LLB course and display openness and flexibility in working under people who are younger to me, then will I be considered ???

Thank You for your kind and generous words, my last two queries for you -

Q 1. Did the person who joined as an associate 0 level at age 32 survive the rigour of a law firm ???

Q. 2. Where would it be ideal to pursue the 3 year LLB course ??? Private Universities like Symbiosis or NLUs like NLSIU ???

Feel free whatever you like to recommend to your "friend's daughter". But this is a very convoluted way of presenting your views - nice story but you see this platform is full of such trolls.

As far as faculty are concerned, there are good faculty already and the university is in the process of hiring 4 Full Professors and 4 Associate & Assistant Professors, just in the School of Law. In a location like Delhi, attracting good faculty with salary scales of 7th CPC should not be an issue.

https://beta.nfsu.ac.in/data/pdfs/career/NFSU_Teaching_01_2024.pdf

Good luck with your "friend's daughter".

In fact, it used to be 21 in India until a constitutional amendment in 1989 lowered it to 18. Raising the age is also a proposal being made by Vivek Ramaswamy in the US. The problem with allowing teens to vote is that they are too immature to appreciate issues like fiscal discipline , national security, geopolitics, illegal migration and privatisation. They don’t work and have no sense of responsibility. They can be too easily swayed by statements by celebs and influencers.

I'm a final year law student from a random time pass law school. However i have been working hard on my own, i have done lot of internships in various T1's and T2's. I have developed decent skills and knowledge however unfortunately this month I will be graduating and with no job offers or even internship offers in hand.

I feel like my career is ruined, the only job offers (tentative) that I'm having are random T3 law firms or in-house companies offering me 3LPA salary. Also, with such a low starting point i feel like it'll take me years to come up to a decent level where I'm earning good enough to have a good life.

I'm very frustrated and i feel like I've entirely ruined my career somehow.

Can people who have been in this position give some insights as to how did you guys get out of this rut ? .. will it ever get any better or is my career over ?

Also, tentatively how many years will it take for me to reach a T1 A0 salary if I'm starting from 3LPA and switching job as and when possible.

Your existence is not of your choice. Thousands factor in coming in this existence. Even the shirt you wear is not made by you . Humanity is interdependent. Even your ideas and consciousness is result of biological evolutionary process with cultural impacts. You are not your own . Your consciousness is the consciousness of Humanity.

Hey

- Relax. Unburden yourself of expectations.

- Do things because they make you happy, enjoy the process (working hard to get rank 1, working hard to learn about your passionate area of lawyering)

- Execute and showcase your learnings in form of content. This can be a personal notion library.

- Once you identify the process you enjoy, look at people who are doing similarly things. Ask for informational interview, coffee, there time.

- Mentorship in law is often free to get from practicing lawyers - ask for inputs about the practice. Same lawyer will charge 10K / hour to a client. Reach out not for job - but for questions.

- Once you have built a group of mentors, keep being valuable to them.

Jobs toh mil hee jaati hai. Just look at your past batches, stuff works out for everyone. Relax karo, hold yourself to higher standards and whatever may happen, and while I am sure you will get a job - you will be better person if you find it while truly enjoying the process.

Money, tier 1 etc. are all secondary things. They will come.

Ok here goes, as far as direct tax is concerned at least

Established Seniors:

Delhi - Arvind Datar, Ajay Vohra, Preetesh Kapur, S Ganesh, Salil Kapoor, RV Easwar

Mumbai - Percy Pardiwalla, JD Mistry, POTUS Kaka, Farrokh Irani, K Shivaram, Vikram Nankani, V Sridharan (VS and VN do more indirect tax, but also have many direct tax matters)

Ahmedabad - Saurabh Soparkar, Tushar Hemani

Bangalore - KK Chaithanya

Kolkata - JP Khaitan

Rising Juniors (of age bracket approx 35 to 45: so those who are just on the cusp of getting really busy to those on the cusp of senior designation):

Delhi - Kamal Sawhney, Sachit Jolly, Gautam Swarup, Ananya Kapoor

Mumbai - Nishant Thakker, Nitesh Joshi, Sunil Lala, Madhur Agarwal, Mihir Naniwadekar, Harsh Kapadia, Rahul Sarda, Dharan Gandhi, Devendra Jain

I am not aware of rising Juniors in Bangalore/Ahd/Kolkata. There will be some, but none that I know of.

So you will think that there's a fair bit of options. The problem is that practically all the quality work is with one of these names... So come to think of it, not so many options then, if this is the entire pool...

Look,

My 12th was done in 2022 and then I gave clat in Dec., but my rank was very low - 17k approx., general ews... But despite of this low rank I was getting nlu aurangabad & shimla.... But my father told me to not go there.. Then in 2023, I gave mhcet, again got some colleges but there was not a boy hostel or mess or canteen, again he refused to send me there (aub Btao Esme meri kya galti hai, college to nikle na but toxic parents Jaane hii nhi dete & the reason was - aurangabad bahut far hai), again In 2023, I gave clat but maybe I have to wait till may b'coz of the upcoming lists, & now I'm preparing for cuet 24 & this one is my last exam... He keep torturing me tumhara kya hoga, sabka hogya... What should I do??

Hello! SRL is doing a recruitment drive soon. What all teams are there and which partners are the best? Also, is it a tier-2? Their recent packages are damn neat, 16L apparently. How's the work, culture? Emphasis on GC,M&A, PE,VC, Projects finance, please. Any info would be much appreciated !!
Also, say we get it, should we just go for it? Not sit for Tier 1s at all? Do they train and teach well?

There are many reasons why people leave a law firm. Not trying to pull anyone down, but with S&P the biggest issue is the Managing Partner.

1) It started off as a professional firm- and is now worse than a family run Lala shop, with relatives of MP in partnership, associate pool and admin staff. It’s crazy.

2) The executive committee are a bunch of yes men with no say and don’t have the spine to spit out facts. They do not care about the Firm or its retainers and only care about their paisa… bowing down to almighty at every opportunity.

3) The salaries continue to lag behind market standards generally. While people were willing to cut some slack as a new outfit, without any clear pathway of it increasing, there is no reason for people to stay!

4) The work is not less by any means and compared to other firms, so why should we work for less. I have personally heard partners complain that even they are not being paid fair market remuneration. Why should people say.

5) The firm policies are ad hoc and are regularly changed to suit whatever is the colour of the sky that morning.

There needs to be a hard introspection by everyone as to why a promising firm is being frittered away by the randomness of the senior management.

as someone who literally has 6 partners in different top tiers as very close connections (big bro and his bffs); Istg they have zero pull when it comes to actual hiring. they can get us an internship at the most, but everything is on the interns themselves post that, from extensions to callbacks to interviews. I've seen equity partners tryna get their referrals placed but unless those referrals have dads who can get the firm more than 2/3 cr business a year, they don't care. They hire only on merit. There's luck involved tho, heavily.