I have some not so great news for you. Noise cancellation earphones work best with environments where the noise generated is consistent - such as airplanes, heavy machinery etc - anything with a consistent noise or hum. There are some very good headphones that do well in other circumstances such as the Sony XM5s and the AirPods Max, but these are very expensive. The affordable end of the scale cannot provide such performance yet, IMO. I suggest you buy the 3M foam earplugs and call it a day.

I got my degree from a tier-3 college, as of now I am interning at a law firm apart from that I don't have any plans I might apply for LLM, I might look for more job opportunity or maybe I would change the career.

One thing I am certain about is that I will definitely take therapy.

I have few questions from the seniors doing 3 yr LLB from NLS, NLUO, SLS PUNE, DU, GLC & ILS.

1. Are you guys getting good internships at tier 1 firms ?

2. How many of you are getting placements at tier1 or 2 firms ?

3. Is there any difference among the pay scale of 5 and 3 yr law graduates ?

4. Does your college or colleagues do any differentiation ?

SORRY FOR LONG TEXT BUT PLS READ COMPLETE AND HELP ME OUT. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

I think I am too late maybe for law but I am interested but fearful simultaneously. I am almost 24 year now with a year of college and 6 months of internship left after college. I am in a very good college of a very bad course aka government physiotherapy.

I started graduation late due to failure in exam and my bad mental and emotional state . Exam failure linked to bad phase of life and lack of focus or will.

Schooling completed in 2018 pcb with 90+ aggregate and 100 in biology.

Failed neet multiple times never was serious to crack it. In fact I wanted to quite studies and felt life is worthless forever.

Mom filled bpt form and I cracked the relatively very easy exam by studying just a week for it due to less applicants and got air under 100 and category 30 something so got admission. I scored more than many gen but I am obc so took obc seat.

Why telling category cause I have read reports and saw news etc that there is relatively very less reserved category people at top in judiciary and selection process is not favourable for promotion and they not give preference all are mostly gen judges at top. Saw some news related to one judge not getting chance so became interested and did my research and read reports and articles.

Recently I have got inclined towards law and lawyers too. From top political figure to CM to social workers I am impressed by them. Also I am binge watching court proceedings on YouTube.

Listening to interviews of lawyers, etc.

My inclination is both monetary and Status or intellectual fulfilment as it's a field of well read well educated people and physiotherapy is just a low status position in healthcare inclined towards rehabilitation.

I didn't tried for mbbs even in college few of my batchmates got mbbs. I never tried cause I know medicine is not for me. I ain't made for this also the risk involved and people being violent.

I even got harrased as a physio too. Got slaped by a old man so I know I don't wanna do work for free treat them and get beaten up or something.

I want respect.

So yeah sorry. Coming back.

Monetary respect :: my friend from law background got some 25 lakh package from the West bangal nlu but she rejected and preparing for upsc (idk why maybe it's hectic or less powerful field than upsc idk cause I ain't from law community) . Her college is the top nlu the second one after bangalore one. As a corporate lawyer she got that pakage so I think I should join for money as physiotherapy pays peanuts or can even be unemployed. I ain't asking her cause she seems not inclined towards law field.

Plus she started early just after school.

Government job pressure and fear of family for life :: Family want to see my as a normal govt officer grade b, c, a whatever. Desk job.

They afraid of law as my own relatives who were advocate got killed by the other opposition party so they and I too think it's risky.

We middle class a mere 50k job is good enough for us.

My Dream in law :: I would like to go for corporate law as I am first generation lawyer and litigation is not recommended for 1st gen.

Alternatively I do dream of becoming some judge inspite of the news of judge or their families being harm or killed. I do love the power and honor associated with it.

Pls guide me and tell me when should I jump in law or should I never go this path.

I do see guidance videos on you can start late after job and a financial backing for fun.

But I don't wanna do it for fun. Even if I get financially secured in future. I want to be famous and leave a mark.

Also judiciary exams have age limit. I can't be elligible after 35 .

This whole discussion cause llb is more than 2 years it's 3 and government study leave limit is 2 year only.

If I join job my dream of law will go away.

If join college of law will any corporate firm be interested in a aged graduate around 30 . Will they ever recruit me. Also private sector can fire me any day. I am only afraid as they can show bias due to old age or reserved category tag and if I perform good still they can choose younger people or gen that they will most likely think more talented as why someone became this old to graduate and must be stupid or something do try law at 25+.

Also litigation takes time. And will someone take me under him at a age of 30 starting even if I show academic excellence or interest.

I am getting 60+ in my course and getting firt division in any medical course even physiotherapy is tough as medical college don't give generous marks.

I can go in 65+ or even 70+ range but I am lazy to do so as it's not my choice of career and I see no scope or very little also I started liking law.

I don't even think mba as thsts just high pay no respect or power. Job.

Summary ::: I AM INTERESTED BUT DEMOTIVATED AND INCILED BUT AFRAID OF LIFE RISK AND ALL. TOO CONFUSED SEEK ADVICE AND GUIDANCE.

PLS HELP

SORRY FOR LONG ESSAY TEXT.

Why do you need to live in lower parel? Stay in Bhakti park or parel with a flatmate or two. You can also look in Mahalakshmi or Prabhadevi. Chembur also is an option is you can drive and have parking. You should aim for 25-30k renting a full furnished apartment with flatmates. Share your groceries, maid and cook salaries. 12-15k should be enough. You don't need a gym membership - you can do home workouts with apps which are just as good. With the home loan and amount to send at home, you are still at 50k. You won't have a lot of time to go out anyway so cap that to maybe 5-6k. Also, you choose cheaper and affordable haunts. Rest of the expenses you are listing out are one time expenses.

Live within your means and be smart about your choices. I lived with a roommate (roommate NOT flatmate) for the first two years in Mumbai, travelled in trains or shared taxis, ate dubbas and only went to free/cheap clubs if at all. Shopped from budget places and rarely went on vacations. And I always had enough to save. My starting salary was less than one third of what you are probably making. There is no reason to want to live a lavish lifestyle from the jump.

Indus Law releases it's hiring figures for 2024 batch. A0 pay at 15.84 lakhs. GNLU leads the chart with 5 offers.

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/rectracker-law-graduates-from-which-law-schools-got-hired-by-induslaw-in-2024

your success at the end of law school is determined by continuous, determined efforts from your first day at law school. Don't let people tell you that the first year (or two) are relatively chill. You simply won't be able to make up for the difference in gpa, internships, publications, etc if you start too late. It's the small steps that you take in these first few years that'll drive all your success when it matters. Good luck!

Here's your answer:

Beyond producing exemplary work, a law firm partner is expected to generate billable work for the firm. The more distinguished firms typically impose higher billing benchmarks. But that's only one facet of the story. The other involves the percentage of recovered billables a partner takes home through a combination of salary, profit share, and bonuses.

In some instances, individuals resign because the firm requests it; otherwise, they face termination for failing to meet billable targets. Others may choose to resign because they eschew the relentless pressure year after year, opting instead for the peace of mind that comes with more sustainable targets. Additionally, some leave for better remuneration, which hinges on two factors: the firm's confidence in providing sufficient work to this partner, thereby aiding them in meeting targets, and the partner's ability to generate enough work to render the compensation a tenable and profitable decision.

In the end, there is no such thing as a free lunch, certainly not in the realm of law firms.

I have secured an internship at AZB through my college RCC at the Blr office. If anyone has any idea how AZB doles out PPOs for the M&A Team, I would be really grateful if you could please tell me.

Also, is it hard to get a PPO at the Blr office? Please tell. Thanks!!!

1. no graduating batches yet, so hard to compare, if we go by clat admissions rank, it will be squarely in tier 3 NLU bracket, infra is far superior to nlus, but in the middle of nowhere

2. faculty is poor in comparison to tier 2 nlus, at par with nfsu, net is compulsory but phd is not, no dean, treated like mba in nalsar

3. this is the only silver lining, the internship opportunities in companies are plentiful, they have an internship cell under the mba and bba guys, whether they are able to convert them to placement is another story

They're doing quite well for themselves tbh. BO 2023 is when the proper placement scene kicked off, with CAM, SAM, 3L, B&P, SRL etc came for Day 0 (Plus other opportunities for assesment internships etc). BO 2024 saw lower placements in Day 0 but multiple opportunities again for assesment internships, out of which most students got PPOs.

My good arse, you don't live in England where law firms tend to get where the wind is blowing and hike salaries accordingly. Remember the meaning of the adjective you used, 'Lala'. Freshfields and Links aren't 'Lala' (unlike the sort of firms we are talking about) for a reason.

CAM SAM both of their Mumbai offices have been struggling. A big shift in their mentality is needed; they are no longer the paymaster they think they are. Even t2 firms now arent that behind in salaries and people are more than happy to switch. Inb4 their offices only remain filled with their family members and connections.

I'll be graduating from CLC and I have no concrete plans atleast career wise. The past 2 and a half years have been tough and put my mental health in shambles. I'll take a break for a few months after exams by seeking therapy at a govt hospital and get a bit disciplined before I start applying for jobs. I don't have any marketable skills as such so will join a LPO/BPO just to have a basic income and use my free time to upskill on stuff like excel, power bi, java etc. Will join a toastmasters club for improving my public speaking. I always wanted to learn Spanish at a higher level so will take those classes at weekends. Basically, all the stuff I wanted to do earlier but procrastinated and lazed off.

I don't listen to music while working out, but the problem is that they play crap music at my gym, which I need to block out --- absolute rubbish and autotuned pop, hip-hop and Bollywood stuff. It's honestly driving me crazy! I could simply wear earplugs, but that looks a bit odd, so I'd prefer wearing headphones and listening to my own music.

One option I am looking at are bone conduction headphones that you can even use while swimming (I swim regularly). The below product by Sony looks affordable. but will they cancel out the gym music when I use them at the gym?

https://www.sony.com/ug/electronics/walkman/nw-ws410-series

Would really appreciate some help here. FYI I have requested the gym owner to mute their music, but the gym owner rudely refused to (▮▮▮).

Tks.

Alot of research papers which I come across from reputed journals (Indian) have impressive titles about complex issues and when I begin reading them, I realise everything and anything has been footnoted. Hardly came across 1-2 paras of any orginal input from the author themself. Is this how it is supposed to be? How do these people find out citations for generic lines?

NLS RCC had to do this. When batch sizes were 80, barely 25-30 ppl would sit for Day Z and all of them would comfortably get placed with the usual 5-6 T1 firms. Batch of 2025 is the first batch with 100 ppl. Almost 45-50 will sit for Day Z. Add to that some 30-35 ppl from the 3-year LLB programme. It is next to impossible to get 80 students placed. SAM/CAM/Trilegal wont give more offers just because more ppl are sitting for Day Z. I think even with 15 firms there will be 45 unique offers at best.

Another big problem with NLS is that we cant intern as much as other NLUs like NUJS, GNLU. We have only 4 internship breaks max. Sure it is easier for us to get a PPO (because bias) but if you screw up one assessment internship, you have to rely on Day Z. So a lot of ppl depend on Day Z.

The RCC has done great so far. We only hope most of us get placed somewhere T.T

NALSAR, NUJS, NLUD have been matching NLSIU for LLM scholarships since long back. As for McKinsey, in the last decade, they have recruited less than 10 people from NLSIU, so not exactly a significant recruiter, nor an amazing place to work for a lawyer in particular. It's just perception, that's all.

Personal finance is, well - personal.

I’ve been through this phase, and I seem have to similar thought process as you OP - so I will try and share some helpful tips.

Yes, in a big city, 1 lac is nothing. Like you I had only calculated MY living expenses, and I was under constant mental pressure that even after getting placed in a Tier 1 firm, I couldn’t save enough or live a decent life. (To others - What is enough, what is decent life - very subjective)

Single occupancy - I valued my privacy and I didn’t want to compromise on this. In Mumbai this was my biggest fixed cost expense. Most people who are suggesting to share a room - either have no idea about the kind of shitty PG and rooms offered by brokers, or are ones who are still in college phase and don’t know how to live like a decent adult. I’ve lived with those “chill” guys and it was one of the worst experiences of my life - constantly ordering Blinkit and Swiggy, packets strewn everywhere on the floor, food parcels on sofa, dress always smelling. Thankfully, I was able to move out in 2 months.

Side effects of staying in decent place with high rent: On weekends you will try not to go out, as you are already paying so much in rent, you want to mentally justify spending more time there, as on weekdays you hardly stay at home + cost of going out in Mumbai is expensive

When your local colleagues suddenly ask you to tag along on a Friday night to a fancy restaurant, you will start questioning your budget calculation or outright refuse at the cost of appearing rude.

You will try to cut down on food/ going out because the fixed cost of EXISTING in Mumbai is already so high - this will take a toll on your mental health as you really need to go out after a hectic week at work.

TIP 1 - As unreasonable as it sounds, please don’t try to SAVE in your first 4-5 months. You are living on your own and managing everything on your own, you will have lot of unexpected expenses - if you try calculating all of them, you will be extremely stressed.

TIP 2 - The 60-30-10 rule or other finance frameworks of saving - THEY DONT WORK in Mumbai. It’s a good starting point to think about expenses, saving and leisure, but if you try to save like that, you’ll end up in a slum, and there will other headaches you don’t want to deal with. You’re in a new city, your focus should be on getting a stable base and excelling at work.

TIP 3 - Most financial influencers/ well wishers will start giving advice about saving. But here is a more important pre condition - LEARN TO SPEND first. Yes, you need to spend a bit to understand what your needs and wants are. You’re in a new city, and you need to spend money on new things to gain exposure. Else you will be stuck trying to budget everything and not go out of your comfort zone. You’re in Mumbai, you want to attend the comedy nights at Juhu, attend the Steps carnival in Bandra, visit Subko for a coffee session, expand your social circle or even travel to a free art exhibition in Sassoon Docks - things you probably wouldn’t do back home. You will probably over spend n first 2-3 months, but soon you will rein yourself in and get a sense of your actual spending pattern.

All the best! Hope Mumbai is kind to you.

Don't have prejudice. LI is filled with negative reviews; trust me not everyone in a t1 is as evil and toxic as they portray. 3 years in 3 diff t1s and everyone I've come across has been extremely nice. (I'm talking about people not work hours, those are horrible) But people here complaining about shoes, perfumes, brands etc. man that just doesn't happen

They won't. It's a t1. What do expect they'll teach you companies act? If you already has a connection the least you could do is study and go to increase your placement chances. And if you don't want a placement what are you even doing in a t1. Associates don't have time for their own family and you're here expecting that they'll teach a 2nd year kid just because he knows a guy who knows a guy

I'm a partner at a T1 and I have been pushing for a conflict of interest and background check of every intern who is assigned my team because it's been quite some time that my team has been complaining of low quality interns who can't be trusted with anything. Connections can definitely help, but only underperforming partners can afford to take in these useless nepo interns who don't add any value to the team.

Good point. When you say “oldheads”, the problem is that most of the boomer bosses had arranged marriages themselves and have regressive, judgemental notions about matchmaking. It’s like the pushy Aunty syndrome we see in Ekta Kapoor serials or Netflix matchmaking —- pairing couples on the basis of class, wealth etc.

In any case, it’s completely inappropriate for bosses to do this, whether they are cool or whether they are old-fashioned.

If you think men are not attacked all their lives you must be a woman

Men are constantly sizing each other up, insulting each other, questioning each other, competing for everything, pushing everyone to their limits - they just don't do this with women - thats all

This is not considered toxic by men who grew up in a masculine environment - for them it is a fact of life

Its women or perhaps men raised in a mostly feminine environment where they were only nurtured but not challenged by other boys or men would think like this

Enjoy your day zero guys.

Back in the day NLS used to enjoy Day Zeros. Many students used to end up with multiple offers some even got offers from English Solicitors firms, Mckinsey etc.

That's going to be over with JGLS like Batch sizes which Sudheer made.

Like IN JGLS you will still have placements. But maybe 60/500 will get any decent offers.

The source is different. For men it is entitlement. Most have been catered to by women their whole lives. For women it is survival. They have been attacked and put down in male dominated workplaces. The history of how each gender has been treated has a relationship with toxicity.

what would constitute a "good enough" connection for a call-back and PPO? Only someone from the team itself would work or somebody from any other team/outside counsel? Also, what would be a strong enough relation with that person? Could it be like a relative’s friend or something.