I have seen so many partners switching and joining law firms at very high salary by claiming to have some sizable 'bill books' only to deliver very less later over time and then leaving the firm after couple of years! This is really surprising how and why such law firms buy such false claims! Do not they realize that if such a person has such big client following or so-called 'bill book' he will launch his own law firm instead of asking a salary? Do you guys also see this growing trend?

So apparently, I submitted my form at Bar Council's Office but they have not taken money from me during my submission. They informed me that they'll verify it again and will call for payment. But, I have still not received any intimation from them.

Has someone else faced this? Someone please clarify the further course of action 🙏

I'll be doing a judicial internship at the Supreme Court next month, and I have a few questions. If I have to do a clerkship under the judge, do I need to appear for exams, or does the judge directly hire interns after graduation if they are liked? Or would I need to contact the law clerks to get in touch with the judge?

SAM Delhi is a scam at giving stipends. One of my close friends interned at their office. They took the bank details and sent a cheque for literally Rs. 3467 after 4 months. He had no idea how they reached this exact amount. And for the amount of work they made him do, it's like they were giving peanuts.

Being from a non science background, having completed LLB from a top private law school in India(Ex :- JGU, Symbiosis, Christ, Nirma).

Is it feasible to get good placements in R&D of companies like TVS, Honda, Nerolac, Cipla or tier one law firms like Remfry Sagar/ KCO through a degree in LLM (IPR) from IIT KGP.

Please mention if you are a student or an alumni of the same university.

Note : - Being from non-science background I can go forward with patents. So, kindly suggest scope in trademark & copyright

How is this contested? Every single person involved in the internals was aware of the fact that the VC wanted to have his own judges judge the rounds. Because of the intervention of some MCS members and sympathetic faculty members from a committee, it got shelved and MCS was instead asked to take up more power and responsibility re all moots including GB moots. However, that was before this happened. Once the VC is told about this and he will surely be, there goes the MCS autonomy.

It was not better five years back, these things are judged on a weird scale of drinking smoking relationships. Merit, arguments, skills have very little to do with it. Any demand for improvement and you are labelled a sore loser, snitch, CT (in NUJS parlance). This is not just with moots but Law Review, JILS as well. While the committees are also plagued with the same issues they dont really matter as much. But for the time and effort a kid puts into internals or law review selection and the edge that they get due to a favourable result, it is unfair if the student-run body is unable to ensure a reasonable process.

Pls be rest assured, nothing will change for the better. Consider focussung on marks as they 'relatively' more objective if you deal w the professor's individual issues.

A Khaitan NCR heavy weight. Home grown. Wears Swiss watches and drives some of the most German cars sold in the Indian market. Living the Gurugram dream at Tatvam, nothing less. Also an all rounder and globe trotter. Has outpaced and outclassed her peers by milestones, not miles. A force to reckon with. No cap.

Shocking news of death of a young CA at EY who sacrificed weekends and used to work late nights regularly for work.

To law firms/lawyers (who are in a hiring position) and seeing this thread- please look after your young colleagues and don’t have such unreasonable expectations.

To us youngsters- let’s quit if such a situation comes. No money/career growth can replace health and family/personal time.

Moderators still not complying. "Not done and will not be done", says one. The Wikimedia statement says:

"It is important to understand that while the Wikimedia Foundation is a US-headquartered organisation, we're not insensitive to laws and cultural nuances in other locations. Other nations' laws affect the Wikimedia projects, the people who make the projects happen, and people who access them. And of course, Wikimedia projects represent knowledge gathered by and for people all over the world. Given our role in the projects, the Foundation considers any takedown order in the context of human rights and the projects' free knowledge mission. Where appropriate, the Legal Team can challenge those orders and strive to support community decision-making."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2024_Kolkata_rape_and_murder_incident#Wikimedia_Foundation_statement

Why go to London to do an LLM when you have foreign-educated faculty teaching at NLSIU and Jindal, and the VC of NLSIU are both Rhodes scholars? We should get over our colonial complex. The faculty at NLSIU and Jindal are just as good and London universities, if not better. NLSIU and Jindal are also ranked in QS, so they are certified as among the world's best.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/17/technology/instagram-teens-safety-privacy-changes.html

The changes are one of the most far-reaching set of measures undertaken by an app to address teenagers’ use of social media, as scrutiny over young people’s experiences online has ramped up. In recent years, parents and children’s groups have warned that Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat and other apps have regularly exposed children and teenagers to bullying, pedophiles, sexual extortion and content promoting self-harm and eating disorders....

While the overhaul may be well received by parents, some teenagers — who are an important part of Instagram’s user base — may be less pleased. Teenage influencers who keep their accounts public to gain new followers could balk at the changes. Nearly half of U.S. teenagers ages 13 to 17 use Instagram at least once a day, according to a survey last fall from Pew Research, making it the fourth most popular social network among young people in America, after YouTube, TikTok and Snapchat.

Clients, and by that I mean, General Counsel at corporations that matter, do not care about the cars that you move in. They only care about whether you can get the job done.

You should not buy a car for others to look at. You would get bored of that car too soon. Buy a car that you are absolutely obsessed with even if it is a pink beetle. You would keep it and maintain it forever and not care about others.

Hey! In my interview, they asked me normal stuff from my CV. The interviewer asked my why was I choosing disputes, and what experience do I have. Then from what I told him, he asked to some questions. I think they want to see how conceptually clear you are since I was asked a question on whether or not patent illegality should be introduced in context of ICA, etc. etc. So, all in all, it's pretty chill, just be confident, aware of what's in your CV, and conceptually thorough.

Are you seriously a lawyer or studying to become one ? Even a layperson knows more than you. Pathetic. Go Google how much is worth drinking? How much is fresh water ? How much salination costs ? The whole india ocean is ours ? You fkng dimwit ! Seriously, I sometimes doubt how many people on this forum are geniunely not bots.

Very well said. The uncertainty of the work flow and the intensity of the work causes people to burn out, even if you are not in a team with extreme hours. Something people outside the legal circle don’t understand.

I find it shocking that such smart people after landing in a law firm come to accept this system as the truth and don’t question it that often.

Pick up the form for any branches, there is no fees for it

Take a long time reading it, get all the documents such as 10th and 12th marksheet, affidavit, proof of residence if you are not from Delhi

Go to the Siri Fort office enrolment section. Try to go when its not so busy.

They will tell you the various corrections with your forms. You can correct them on spot if possible otherwise come back second half

It is a somewhat tiring process like dealing with most government offices

In the end your form will be accepted and 750/- is due in that office itself

Take your proof of payment and wait to be called to a meeting

Visit BCD’s office and request the required form. The form itself contains all the details regarding the procedure and necessary documentation.

Once you submit the form and pay the fee of ₹750, you will receive a message within a week about scheduling a verification meeting. After the meeting, you’ll receive your provisional certificate within 2-3 days.

I wonder how come people with 10s of internship on their CV cannot get a shot at T1s whereas I goty chance at T1 on my first shot that too without any internship experience while applying. I only did freelancing till then. And the funny part is that I am a non-NLU, no-contacts wala student.

The only thing that I feel I did different was that I kept networking like a mad bull for many months. Networking was the key for me.

I hope you get there too. Wishing you luck!

Please join a good Resolution Professional or an IPE where you can learn good insolvency related work and get a command over the subject. IBC is 60 percent COC/SCC meetings and the strategies that are adopted by different stakeholders (such as financial creditors, ex promoters, operational creditors, etc) while remaining 40 % is legal which helps in navigating the insolvency proceedings within the legal framework.

There are threats to women in my chamber and then there are posts about me laughing. When did I laugh. It is being said that acid will be thrown at them and raped etc. People on the ground are saying this," Sibal said.

"If there are any such threat to any man or woman, we will step in," the Bench reassured.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/kapil-sibal-tells-supreme-court-female-colleagues-getting-rape-threats-appearing-rg-kar-case

Absolutely condemnable and unfortunate that the CJI denied the plea not to livestream the case. It is shocking that people in Bengal are demanding justice on the one hand and not coming on the streets to protest against this. I came across this video where students are shouting "Kapil Sibal chhoto lok". It means Kapil Sibal is a neech aadmi (chhoto means small and lok means person in Bengali). Both BJP and Left people are doing this.

https://x.com/RatanSharda55/status/1835959887668330935

10+ years in Tier I and in-houses combined. I bought a Ford Ecosport in 2021 and recently a Hyundai i10 for my wife (she prefers driving a smaller car!) in Mumbai. Both the vehicles are pretty good. I wish to buy a Volvo XC90 or Mahindra Thar Roxx as the primary car and a compact EV as a secondary vehicle (could be MG Comet or Tata Altroz). Looking at the road conditions in cities like Mumbai, Pune and Bangalore (have lived in each of them!), it would be sensible to own a higher ground clearance vehicle. If I were in Delhi, I would have opted for a Volkswagen Sedan.

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT advocacy by Indira Jaising today!! 👏And good job by Karuna Nundy too. And Meenakshi Arora chipped in as well. Go girl power! Kapil Sibal was on the backfoot throughout. 🤣

P.S. Remind me again why Tushar Mehta and Menaka Guruswamy are in the courtoom???

I am 26 and just graduated. I am struggling to secure an internship after completing my LLB from Mumbai University. I had no idea what I was getting myself into, but I don't despise law—in fact, I’m glad I pursued it. I’ve learned a lot and am passionate about it, but the struggle is really weighing on me. So far, I’ve applied to over 50+ law firms, and I’m not just talking about top-tier ones—any firm related to banking and finance, as I can’t pivot now due to the 6-month internship I completed at a law firm.

Here’s a list of my mistakes:

1. 1] I did a 3-year LLB.
2. 2] I want to get into corporate law because i can’t afford to pursue litigation.
3. 3] Only published 2 papers that also in some random publication and not related to corporate law.
4. 4] I have 6 months of full-time internship experience in a law firm working in BFSI, but I made the mistake of leaving that job (I had my reasons, but I won’t elaborate here).
5] Have bad CGPA

what are my solution over here?

1] I’ve decided to publish 6 more research papers or blogs. Where should I publish them?
5. 2] I’m intending to take the IBPS SO exam since my CGPA has disqualified me from many other government exams.

3] Should I take a Lawsikho course? I’ve read on other LI chats that they help improve your skill set. However, I don’t have the money right now, so I would first need to find a job to afford it.

What is the pay structure in the following and similar law firms:

1. Dhaval Vussonji

3. Zeus Law

4. Tatva Legal

5. MZM legal

6. Vaish Associates

7. Anagram

8. ZBA

and others

A0, A1, A2, A3. Work hours, bonus and weekends off?

There is certainly a small subset of lawyers in India who constantly face questions like: (a) is there a better alternative to law firms, (b) is in-house the answer or (c) is the struggle, stress, uncertainty, limited time with family, poor mental and physical health, long hours – so inherent to being a lawyer that it is almost unescapable. I don’t know if everyone faces such questions.

So, how does one answer them?

What is so really wrong with law firms? People who have never been in one – the outsiders often fail to understand it. Swanky offices, excellent salary, a flex that you feel after you say that you work at tier 1 or with some of the most recognisable clients (know that it’s probably people in the legal circle who understand the flex about tier-1s). You have everything you need then right?

The reality of working in law firms is a bit different. To start with, your bosses (and clients) inspire and speed up work by repeatedly projecting a sense of urgency or rather immediacy of any and every deliverable. This is a highly unprofessional and unplanned way of working. For people who are immediately responsible for executing the work – the associates, this is a constant source of worry. See, ultimately, the work gets done – but people in higher positions often like to believe that getting work done is not possible without a little intimidation and jump scares. Sometimes the sense of urgency and deadlines is communicated rather politely, but in a way that leaves a little scope for negotiation – with those involved in the execution of the work having no way of planning their day or life. At best, you can offset one work stream by saying that you are over-stretched in five others that you are handling. But in most cases, over-stretched you will be.

Probably it is the reason why law firms are efficient. In any top team at a law firm, missing a deadline communicated to a client is as rare as seeing a real unicorn. Even if the deadline may be inherently unreasonable or even if associates have to spend 22 hours a day.

True, there are times when clients are unreasonable. And there is a systemic problem that lawyers as service providers are never able to professionally demand decent working conditions. It’s true that some client’s are fickle and will take asking for more time as an affront and probably take their business elsewhere. But some clients are reasonable – if explained why something will take longer. They may agree to split the work – so you might still have to give something on the deadline, but it will be lower pressure deliverable overall. Also, you would have set expectations with them for the future. It is a risk – but partners who can risk to do such things – should do it. Many won’t – a lot of partners take pride in projecting an image of invincibility – and frankly that is an attribute that people want to feel in their lawyers – even if behind this façade everything is crumbling. So there are no easy solutions here for those doing the grunt work.

Also, yes, there are periods when work is tough – client is demanding and there is a lot of uncertainty. But if that becomes the case all the time, then it’s a system issue – a feature and not a bug of law firm as a workplace.

The other problem is that law firms have little to no avenues of rest and recovery. Even armies have R&R programs. Not law firms. Talk to a busy law firm associate – and you will see a helplessness in their eyes about the often endless stream of work. There are times when work is less – but because, work can come in anytime and there is hardly any planning in law firms on how to process an incoming assignment and little attempt to give certainty to anyone. In fact these ‘down’ periods turn into periods of greater anxiety – and you can never plan a leave around them. That said, some partners do have ways of delegating work that is efficient and ensures ‘optimal utilisation’. But as there is no ‘system’ – things can fall apart very quickly when multiple work streams come in. And there is of course no concept of ‘refusing’ work to clients – when there is no capacity – the quality of work, and life of associates be damned. Also, some teams do have holiday rosters and an unspoken rule to not disturb those on leave. But these are team specific things – when in fact they should be enforced at highest levels of the firm and applied equally to everyone.

A final problem is law firms don’t know how to communicate things internally. Exhortations (even firm wide) to work harder are not uncommon. They feel like impositions – particularly to those who are actually pulling their weight. Try reading your firm’s internal employee well being policies at times (like the leave policy with 40 days of leave). For one – everything in these policies is ‘subject to work exigencies’ – which is astonishing. It’s like every resource in a law firm is so unique and irreplaceable, that if needed, they and only they can execute. Shouldn’t the policy say something like – if you have a planned leave – make sure that you assign your matters to someone else and communicate this internally and externally. If every employee benefit is subject to ‘exigencies’ – then what’s even the point of these policies. And most partners have little say in how their firm manages employee benefits.

Law firms become undesirable places to work after a while because they don’t solve some very fundamental things that make a workplace sustainable – a desire to solve for certainty and visibility of workflows, better client expectation management and real and effective R&R programs. These are very basic things. And frankly without it’s unclear if they will ever be able to solve such issues. To all the 'incoming associates' – buckle up, this is what you are in for.

why the hell would there not be down votes ??? how is this a comment someone feels remotely fine posting on social media? literally on the same level of degeneracy as the people who feel the need to mention how pretty pranita mehta was when nluj's essay comp comes around. ridiculous behaviour and entitlement man.