Agree. You can do so easily as an A3 in a T1 also. Have visited various countries in Europe, US, Asia and Africa even before I became Partner. If you feel like your savings in the first three years will make too much of a difference think again. The problem is younger people just joining think they can save aggressively from the beginning and retire early or have mini retirements. While it’s important to remain invested in equities from as early as possible, the quantum of savings will only really increase substantially once you are an SA2/SA3, PA and Salaried Partner.

I was working with a Tier 1 Law Firm and was aware of the pressure points before taking on the assignment. The stress was obviously debilitating and took its toll on me. I eventually had to quit. Immediately post quitting, my body started exhibiting certain signs and symptoms never experienced before or I failed to take notice.

I was soon diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis. After a few months, I was diagnosed with ADHD, PMDD and some other conditions.

I have come to realise that stress management is the ultimate key, but with Tier 1 pressures, it’s almost impossible to find time to lead a holistic life. There’s no way that an honest disclosure of these conditions to the firm will yield any good, in fact, they will want you to leave and create miserable work conditions.

she is great - however, you build your niche only in insolvency and restructuring litigation. Pushkar Bavare (the other B&F partner in Mumbai) will give you exposure to hardcore project financing and debt capital markets mandates. Both teams are good and join with your eyes closed - great people and great teams.

i am not trying to stir a fight here but as a secure man, i have no qualms in admitting that i am wrong. i am only making this post to see if you've got a point that i am missing. IMO, nobody watches women cricketers because it's just not high voltage as men playing cricket. it's the same reason why they get paid far less- they don't sell tickets or merch or any buzz. before u come at me, it's the same reason why nobody watches indian football, reason being - when i can watch bellingham or messi or mbappe play, why would i settle for anything less interesting in the limited time that i get when i clearly know indian footballers are just not there yet.

Now in professional careers it's different because women lawyers/doctors etc. are/can be just as capable as their men counterparts or even more capable if i am being honest. but sports, i am not too sure. like i said, pls put forth your points. i am trying to understand feminism and i would love for you to clarify. mere ghar pe bhi behen beti maa hai and my dad has always treated my sister equally. thanks and have a great day to all powerful ladies of LI.

This is complete bull shit. I live in Germany, and houses are bloody cheaper than that in Mumbai. Indians have bought homes or a lot of them rent too. I haven’t seen a single Indian not get a home, stop peddling bullshit against this country. Oh please - most of the Germans are irreligious or atheist. Legally India has so many trolls!

quote clause 6.4, explain the application with the list of dates and resend the email to the college admin and copy in the edu agent, it should work

if it does not work, then seperately send an email to the edu agent and say that if they are unable to provide any relief then you shall pursue it at the consumer forum, all edu agents get a 10-20% commission on the fees that you have paid, so they would not like this lucrative business to get upset, most likley they will ask for out of court settlement, also at this stage put this on FB and twitter and tag in the higher edu min and basically cry out fraud and simple Indian student being hoodwinked by greedy European college

Majority investments are in the markets , about 1.4 cr (across debt, equity, diff MFs, about 10% portion in gold+silver etc) - I invested aggressively during the pandemic and that really paid off. Also bought a small 2bhk in a tier 2 town (with metro rail connectivity) for about 35 lacs - (took a home loan on this) hopefully that will appreciate well and give good returns too. But I must say that it took extreme financial discipline to make this possible. I prioritised my investments above all else.

Well this is challenging. So, a few years ago I was diagnosed with endometriosis, this condition made mensuration unbelievably painful for me, the cramping was debilitating, also cycles weren’t regular (so couldn’t exactly predict period dates and accordingly manage work) and it drove me to a point where continuing with a high pressure tier 1 law firm job was impossible. I did not even have the luxury of wfh for just one day in a month. So for many years (almost three, I think), every month during the first two days of my periods, in the early mornings I would go to the emergency room and take a pain killer injection- just to be able to sit through the day and get my work done. I would take regularly take iron therapy, etc. I especially thanked my stars if my periods started on a weekend, cause that meant I had some relief. But I spent countless month being miserable with pain and agony- it drove me to a point where I just had to quit my job and the option of working with a big law firm.

I’m currently in talks with my doc about getting a hysterectomy ( side note:I am in my late 30s, single and don't have any kids, so its been tough to convince Indian doctors) and I hope to get back to my career goals, after my health is taken care of. I am sorry I can’t offer much helpful advice or insights, since I am still battling with this chronic illness.

But I will tell you to not stop fighting for what you want out of your life, a break is not the end of ur career. Do not settle for anything less than what you truly desire. I see my illness as just another challenge in my path, not everyone gets dealt the same cards, but its really about how you play your hand - the sooner you figure that bit out the easier life gets.

All that gyaan aside, I really do hope that your suffering ceases soon and you go on to achieve all your dreams. All the best!!!

I have an upcoming internship at CAM, Mumbai capmarks team.

Can anyone let me know:

1. How do I maximise my chances of getting a PPO/callback?

2. Is the team lazy in offering callbacks? Is it possible to get it in the next 2 months of the first internship getting over?

3. In general, how open is the team in offering PPOs and what all do they expect?

I got the first test link on Monday. Received second test link on next Monday (appeared on the same day). Hoping for the result to be declared on Monday.

HR said me they collate the result at the end of every weekend. Because we get time of 5 days to appear for the test.

Hopefully Monday 🤞

If you're from Ranchi, then look no further and join the chambers of Mr Indrajit sinha. Mr sinha is the son of Justice S.B Sinha. And Mr Sinha is by far one of the best criminal lawyers this nation has seen. I had the opportunity to assist him in one case and I saw his brilliance. I have practised at SC and Delhi Hc and without a doubt i can say he's much better than the likes of Siddharth Dave or Gopal Sankarnarayan. He's at the level of Shyam Divan, I would say. It's a pity he's practising at Ranchi Hc. Join him. He's extremely generous with pay and his juniors who are with him for some time make around 2.5 lakh to 3 lakhs monthly. He's a rare gem.

I was not able to land a good job for months ,so in my desperateness I consulted a famous edu. agency to get me an admission abroad even though I really did not want to study.

I received an offer from a college in Europe for their MSc program (1 year course 13000 EUR + 500 EUR deposit)last month for the January 2025 intake. I paid the deposit initially and paid the entire fees (which is required for the visa).

But then I landed a job that I liked.

So I emailed the college saying:

Due to some unforeseen circumstances that lead to personal commitments I have to cancel my admission , I wish to withdraw my admission to the master's program.I kindly request you to initiate the refund process of the course fees and also request your full cooperation. The uni rep in the admission team straight out replied that the fees is non refundable.

Now these are their terms and conditions for fees and cancellation:

# 5. Fees and Payment:

5.1 In consideration of the provision of the Services by the College (and, where applicable, __ Services), the Student will pay the fees set out in the Offer Letter at the applicable time. The Student will thereafter be liable to pay the College any other fees due to the College from time to time with respect to the Programme of which the Student will be given notice.

5.2 Fees will become due for payment on the date set out in the Offer Letter or on any other date specified by the College.

5.3 Where the duration of the Course is for more than one academic year or the Student elects to repeat the academic year, fees will be due to the College prior to the commencement of the academic year.

5.4 Fees are subject to change each academic year.

5.5 Should the Student pay by way of cheque and the cheque is subsequently dishonoured, the Student will be liable to pay the College a €25 fee to cover administrative and bank charges.

5.6 If the Student does not make any payment due to the College or ___ Services by the date specified, the College or __ Services may charge interest to the Student on the overdue amount at the rate of 7% a year above the European Central Bank rate. This interest will accrue on a daily basis from the due date until the date of actual payment of the overdue amount, whether before or after judgment. The Student must pay the College or __ Services interest together with the overdue amount.

5.7 Subject to clause 5.7.4, if a student visa application has been refused, then the amounts paid, including deposits and unutilised fees, will be refunded less an administration charge of €100 (plus any courier and transfer charges) on production of the following documents:

5.7.1 original copy of the visa refusal letter;

5.7.2 copy of the Student’s passport showing both the photograph and signature; and

5.7.3 where the payer was not the Student, an original authority letter from the Student authorising the repayment to the payer.

5.7.4 Section 5.7 applies only to visa applications made outside EU and does not apply to International Students already resident in EU who are applying for renewal visas. For International Students already resident in EU, fees will not be refunded under any circumstances after commencement of the course. Where a visa is required to be renewed during a College Programme of study, it is the responsibility of the Student to confirm with the relevant authorities that the renewal application will be approved.

# 6. Cancellation and Deferral:

6.1 The Student may (unless studying on a student visa) no later than two weeks prior to the commencement of the Programme cancel his or her acceptance by providing the College with written notice. If the Student so cancels their study, the Student’s liability to the College will be limited to payment to the College of a cancellation fee of €100 which may be deducted from any applicable refund. Any refund made by the College will be made to the original payer. Full course fees will be payable if less than two weeks’ notice is given and no refund will be made in such circumstances. Refunds are not available of any amounts paid for study materials, where the materials have been supplied to the Student.

6.2 The Student may (unless studying on a student visa) defer enrolment in the Programme for one academic year, provided the College receives written notice at least two weeks prior to the Programme commencement date (the “Date of Deferment”) and the Student pays a €50 administrative fee. The fees or any deposit paid by the Student will not be refunded but will be carried forward to the following academic year. Should the College fees change between the Date of Deferment and the date of commencement of the following academic year the Student will be liable to the College for any additional amount due and must pay it before the commencement of such academic year.

6.3 Should the Student defer enrolment in the Programme as per Condition 6.2 and should the Programme not be continued by the College such following academic year, the College’s liability to the Student will be limited to a refund of the applicable fees paid by the Student for the Programme less the €50 administrative fee referred to above.

6.4 If the legally binding contract formed with the Student is not made in person with the Student at the College’s premises (for example by exchange of e-mails), the Student shall have the right to cancel the contract if the Student gives notice of cancellation to the College within the fourteen calendar day period beginning on the day following the day on which the College received the Student’s Offer/Acceptance Form and/or payment of any fees. If a Student exercises his or her right to cancel during this fourteen day period, he or she will receive a full refund of all amounts already paid by the Student less the cost of any services already performed by the College (or, where applicable __ Services) before the end of the fourteen day period. Specifically, where the Student has received any books or other materials as part of the Services, the Student must return and bear the cost of returning the books and materials to the following address:

PS: I recieved the offer on September 6th. But I paid the deposit a few days before that and I paid half the fees on october 4th and half on oct 7 2024 all via the education consultancy. I sent the cancellation mail yesterday and they said its non refundable. I explained in my reply mail that I am informing you well in advance before the commencement of the course in January 2025,admissions have yet not been closed for the program and none of the visa processing has been started yet. Now I am awaiting their reply.

Please can someone suggest a way out? The amount is not small that its negligible.

First learn how to speak German, have funds ready (it is quite an expensive country to live in), be ready to be approached (even in big cities) regularly by fuckwits that want to convert you to Christianity (largely old white men and more rarely, white women), remember that racial discrimination laws in Germany are not very robust, leaving you quite vulnerable to prejudice in the housing rental market (with advertisements such as "Only German and Austrian passport holders for House X" still being quite okay). Now considering all this, think again about whether you still want to headline your thread "Great news!!!".

llm does not aid in career except for two narrow scenarios

a) you are on a stable career path at a T1 and you wish to take a break but also make it to the next rung, a foreign llm would be suitable

b) you want to join academia

except for the above two the only other further narrower avenue would be to shift to another jurisdiction, which has been discussed many times in this forum (prev work ex, suitable jursidiction, prior contact with future workplace)

llm does not in any way help with law practice in India unless you have a legacy

Next 10 days are packed with an Indian client wanting us to work through this weekend and all of the next week. This is after they went AWOL a few months ago on this matter and now they want everything in place by Diwali. Partner has not only not objected to this timeline but also gone on leave and left it to the chhotus to deal with it. Not to mention that the partner is aware that this timeline is not feasible and, even if we work non-stop through diwali, its going to take 2 more weeks to tie everything up so we’re basically placating the client’s anxiety.

OP here - I hear you and that's the approach I took however, unlike my opposite counsel I do not work at a law firm. The opposite counsel was trying to use their other clients who had agreed on similar terms and trying to cut short negotiation relying on those instances but couldn't outrightlty say that since they can't disclose other clients infront of current client. They scheduled a call without sending comments and just started shouting when I tried digging deeper into their proposals and pointed out adverse effect on my employer due to such proposals. Now, I am new to the organisation and do not have much face with my internal client. Please advise if I went wrong somewhere.

Aree bhai, don't bend this much have an aggressive but diplomatic approach to these things. Don't grt threatened by hearing them shouting and screaming just ask the rationale or law behind the change suggested. If they start shouting or doing anything other than answering your question, categorically say "We will not be able to accept this change unless there is a clear reason" and move to next point.

These tactics are quite often especially when you are a junior and the opposite counsel is senior to you. Happened with me when I was an A1 and opposite counsel was their practice head. I didn't budge and later didn't accept the changes as well. However, I reported this immediately to my partner that this has happened on the call. He asked me if I shouted back, I said no and then he said "Don't worry, I will take care of it".

They won't do it trust me. All these people you see calling their firms cheap ass and not giving them gifts, pay them 30LPA + and these guys dont even pay many taxes. Obviously bonuses are tied to performance, thats the point idk what they're on. They should consider moving to smaller firms or litigation and know what cheap means.

1. Connect with alumnus at T1 law firms in India and abroad. They have the pull and can guide.

2. If you want to work with Magic Circle/ biglaw kinda firms, it's really difficult as an Indian tbh. They exclusively offer training roles to T1 law schools and laters are mostly from T1 firms + experiences. If suggest you work in Indian firms and make it to T1s and then lateral.

3. You could consider working for smaller law firms abroad. Simply mail and call HRs. Open websites etc. But you should have funds ready for visa etc.

Firstly congrats on getting considered for interviews,

A rejection is not usually on you, it could be not having vacancies or last minute changes. Law firm HR arent exactly very skilled at their jobs, and partners dont have time for this.

1. Appearance - You must make a good first impression. Groom yourself, hairstyle, lighting, dressing before the interview. Look at yourself in the camera and blur the backgrounds.

2. CV- You must be completely adept in interpreting each phrase in your CV, as if those assignments were done yesterday.

3. - Prepare standard HR questions

4. Speak clearly in the mic, and make sure the internet connection is good. Speak at a faster tone than usual and dont just read off of somewhere, make good expressions.

5. Be proficient in civil + criminal litigation contextual + ADR + recent news. Most general concepts should in at the tip of your fingers.

6. Learn to faff - You should lie about some skills but properly and without coming off as a liar

7. Always stress why you are an asset and how you improved on your weaknesses, this question is always asked, prepare beforehand with instances etc.

8. Provide references

9. Ask for assessment internships at the end of interviews if you feel they are not too interested in hiring

10. Always ask questions in the end of the interview so you seem interested. But not icky ones like work life balance.

11. Why corporate law - I hope you have an interesting answer for this.

12. Follow up with the HR and Partner after 24 hours of the interview or Monday (if Friday). Then after a week. Then after 2. Then take the hint.

13. Learn the art of following up politely after an interview. Dont irritate people and get blacklisted. Always ask for feedback and how you can improvise in the future. I know people getting second interviews on this basis.

14. Do NOT appear introverted or shy and stumble on words, that is a huge red flag in this profession. Just say you arent sure and move on.

15. Try to prolong the interview as much as you can and politely. I dont mean you ask the HR to do it, you should answer in details with reasons, precedents, examples, experiences, references

16. Always stress on drafting experience + speaking in courts.

17. Your English should be on point.

18. I hope you already know - You should research the partner + firm + deals recently in detail, and a LOT MUCH. You should reference that in your answers so they know you're exclusively interested with them.

19. These answers should be quick - Do you have other interviews? Ans- No. Do you have other internships lines up? Ans- No. Do you intend to pursue future education? Ans. No. Does working long hours bother you? Ans- No. Were you offered assessments elsewhere/ have you applied elsewhere?. Ans - No. Location issues?. Ans- No. Trainee Role/assessment before hiring? Ans. Sure

20. Dont negotiate salary etc, at the fresher level. Not that they would ask, but dont bring that topic to the table.

(Once you have a confirmation, you can speak to the HR and get things sorted later, not in front of the partner)

I went on a negotiation call sometime back with counterparty counsel. This discussion was happening after one round of document review. Opposite counsel had made many changes without providing any rationale and so a request was made through comments to ask them to substantiate with reasons for their changes. When the lawyer got on call they started shouting and made situation acrimonial from the very beginning and this made me quite uncomfortable. As their changes were not supported with any rationale, I tried asking them reasons for their changes. They replied in a snarky and very angry manner. I remained composed and didn't respond in the same manner as them but still continued providing rebuttals for their reasons. I thought this to be correct approach since I would require to understand their perspective and since we were on call, it seemed like a good opportunity to reduce back and forth on comments. Rhe opposite counsel did not take nicely to my counter arguments and started shouting. I told them I will like to move on to next point since we are not able to conclude. The meeting did not lead anywhere. Soon after the meeting, the opposite lawyer contacted my client and told them they don't wish to negotiate against me. Please my senior industry colleagues, guide me as to where I went wrong and how could I avoid this situation in future?

I am a CS fnalist and willing to work in capital markets field rathern than normal work of cs.

So i am not willing to work in law firm for long time so is it good option to get into capital markets team in law firm and then swith to merchant banks as a cs i have more chance to get into it ?

At a time everyone is shutting the doors on immigrants, Germany has agreed to INCREASE the number of visas for Indian professionals, from 20K to 90K. There will naturally be lakhs of STEM and MBA people lining up for such visas, but I feel lawyers could also take advantage of this. Maybe they could do an LLM or MBA in Germany.

https://m.economictimes.com/nri/work/germany-increases-visa-quota-for-skilled-indian-professionals-to-90000-annually/amp_articleshow/114573111.cms

The HR only considers the GPA for internship applications and GPA+ college for fresher level positions. However, the quickly fall short of people at A2 and higher levels due to well, "other factors", and hire anyone coming across.

The pay levels are ancient at all levels too.

Okay, but you have to consider the time has changed, there are way more students and internships are scarce. HR coordinate with college RCC's and the only shortlist is based on the batch rank, and this is uniform across firms.

If you haven't been apprised, most teams in firms take on 10-15 interns, many times a month in T1 firms, and have no desire in hiring. Hiring has been at the all time low since a "decade", and in such times, the most objective criteria continues to be the batch rank.

Also your inference is wrong from my argument, as I didnt make a reductive conclusion, I only said its way harder. Yes, with contacts and good luck with applications and the right team and exposure, sure, but generally, it is the case that people with middling to lower ranks do not make the cut, and it is almost always the case with most law firms that shortlists are prepared based on batch ranks and GPAs and the college giving you that. This includes PPOs. Internship feedback is disregarded by partners in many firms, especially in present times.

Ugh I hate that a Chief Justice of this country spent a solitary second thinking about how lady justice is not Indian enough. Some ideas just aren’t from India and we don’t need to rewrite history behind the symbol or make her look more Indian to express our commitment to what she stands for. We need to do our jobs instead.

I hate that he spent any time at all thinking about this or thinking this was worthwhile to do. And I hate that this was then someone’s job to commission design and execute this, that taxpayer money went to this, and now journalists who should report on more important things are now spending time talking about how a statue doesn’t look good. Talk about a waste of time. And the hollowness of this kind of gesture.