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I think you have enough common sense to realise that you are fortunate enough to have a VC who is (largely) good at his job, an excellent advocate for his uni and someone with genuine ideas for change in his mind. That's supplemented by a number of excellent faculty. Make the best use you can of such people. Oscar Wilde, based on his intellectually formative experiences at Oxford, once said that the idea of a university education was that you'd learn to gracefully play around with ideas. They are teaching you to do that, so that's the most important base (as far as you'd be concerned from a student point of view) covered. Other things will fall in place over time. As for the trimmings, my UK LLM was done not so long ago that I can recall a number of things about it. Even if you leave out the good course material, the language used, a number of the policies, even the jargon, sound, if you remove the name 'NLSIU' from them, very much like what a good UK university has (or should have) in place.
PS: Do excuse my interest. I did an LLM abroad a while ago. However, while my conviction at the time was that all LLM programmes worth spending time on are outside India, my attention has increasingly been drawn to NLSIU's work. That's not least because of the curriculum design of many of the academics you name. And that has caused me to modify my impressions to a certain extent. All the best for your LLM studies.
Bully! Just shut your face, please reflect on your life choices, please understand that it's elitist creeps and weirdos like you who make this world messed up and you'll figure out that life is much better if you are kind rather than rude.
This forum has increasingly been used by insecure, smug, arrogant bullies and trolls, who would rather kick down than spread a little bit of knowledge and kindness. It is disappointing, disheartening, saddening and shocking that the moderators have failed to take note of this fact, and done absolutely nothing to buck this trend. Moderators, why do bullies rule the playground here?
Regards,
Someone who has been studying law for four years, who has had and continues to have valid questions and who is willing to give any fool who tries to invalidate those a verbal kick in the nuts.
PS: OP, many lawyers and law students (including some who use Legally India) are absolutely lovely people. The one who wrote this comment does not represent us, because whoever s/he is, they are like the smelly thing the dog accidentally brought in or possibly, the dog who deliberately chooses to bring in smelly stuff from his walks to make his (human) parent's life difficult.
Also would have not defeated nliu bhopal!.. Second oldest one!
So far, the back-pack has been comfortable on my shoulders and that is really the most important thing for me. I recently had a long travel, between flights and trains, and the backpack was filled to the brim but it managed the weight of everything really quite well on my shoulders. It is water-repellant which means, as the folks at Decathlon told me, that it will push away the droplets but if you find yourself in a heavy shower, then Decathlon also sells a nice looking and actually-working water-proof option that they call "rain cover" << https://www.decathlon.in/p/8764679/backpack-rain-cover-20-40l-orange >>.
My own advice to you would be to prioritise size and comfort. Nowadays I feel that I need more than 32L in terms of storage in a back-pack but that is not a fault of this particular back-pack, just an evolution of my own needs.
Finally, congratulations on your selection and all the best for your upcoming student life. Stay safe and be kind.
Now bear in mind that, on its own, the number you choose here represents your own sense of what you expected from your current institution and in what way has your current institution delivered upon that expectation. The number represents where you expected to be now, in terms of your intellectual and profesional growth. What a person expects is an evolving question that changes with time. But anything less than 7 is, in my view, a cause for concern because no young, intelligent person (such as yourself) should ever feel that they are living a life lesser than what they deserve. Sometimes, it is better to dare, especially when you have earned that right by qualifying for admission to a place you always wanted to study at.
But please, I urge you, do not worry about "wasting" two years of your life if you decide to go to another institution. Life can be incredibly unpredictable. Worse things than what you are afraid of today can and will happen eventually. You can die tomorrow, for one thing. Does that mean your life was a waste because you did not live long enough to do things you would have wanted to do? No! Savour your present. Appreciate the time you have spent at your particular institution and move on to another place if that is what you think is a better choice for your intellectual and professional life. Our country is a hard place. Many capable men and women will never have the opportunity that you have today: that is the real "waste" and not the time you have spent at your current institution.
You are an intelligent person who knows enough and who can work enough to put themselves in a position where they can now go to an institution of their choice. Give yourself a pat on the back, good fellow. I congratulate you on your success. I do not doubt at all that if you choose to go NLUD, you will make for an excellent company, intellectually and socially. Any institution you have qualified for will gain by your presence.
Get a good night's sleep. Think clearly about where you are now and where you would like to be. Determine the way to achieve that. And then make the decision. Something tells me where ever you go, you will do a fine job. All the best.
My plan is to work here for 6–9 months, build experience (work profile: mainly in drafting, contract negotiations, and some privacy/tech law), and then try to switch to a Tier-2 or boutique firm, even if that means taking a pay cut.
Would really appreciate some insights as to whether this roadmap makes sense.
Macs simply aren't budget. Even if the M4 Air seems great on paper, having a mac restricts you in too many ways (no, not just gaming but for instance having the latest spuriously obtained Adobe PDF software for example, which becomes a must-have). And the repair of anything will cost a kidney and give heart attacks. Get a good windows laptop at your budget - if the budget can accomodate a MacBook or iPad + keyboard, it is definitely big enough for a great machine that you will genuinely enjoy.
Mumbai Office: 1 Partner, 2 Counsel and at least 1 Associate left last year.
Delhi Office: 1 Senior Partner left, 1 Partner shifted to Counsel and then left, 3 Counsel left last year, and 3 at least Associates left last year. This year a MA has left and at least 2 Associates.
The writing is on the wall
I'm also a native Bangalorean who can fluently speak Hindi (almost as if I'm from UP) and have worked in Mumbai for some time earlier in my career as well.
First, fully agree with the other Bangalorean fellow - be chill, don't fall for media + social media.
Second, as a legal market Hyderabad is not there yet. Ahmedabad could be of some opportunity especially if you are willing to engage with GIFT City and the regulations there, as more and more financial services firm look to setup a base of operations there. You will also benefit from better infrastructure, lesser people. On the flipside, weather, lack of cosmopolitan culture (at this point in time) and (to the people for whom this is important) it's a dry state.
Last, If you are a lawyer posting on legallyindia looking to (I presume) get high-end jobs, if you think speaking in Hindi is going to make a difference, then that maybe the wrong way of going about it. English is where our agreements get written in, unless you are a litigating lawyers - then local language is important.
PS: Shift where you think is best. Don't crowd source your opinion or troll on platforms like these.
PPS: The weather is peak Bangalore right now. If you were here for more than 3 days, I'm fairly confident this post would be irrelevant.
Best retirement is to go to a tier 2 metro, buy a flat, join a club… all within reach.
So my advice would be to go for a laptop right now, and maybe 2 to 3 years down the line you can go for an iPad if you feel the need for it.
Constitutional Law I (Fundamental Rights): https://www.academia.edu/96331395/CONSTITUTIONAL_LAW_I_Syllabus_June_October_2022_NALSAR_Hyderabad
Constitutional Law II (Structures of Governance):
https://www.academia.edu/96331746/CONSTITUTIONAL_LAW_II_Syllabus_January_April_2023_NALSAR_Hyderabad
Political Obligations (Elective):
https://www.academia.edu/96332831/POLITICAL_OBLIGATIONS_January_April_2018_NALSAR_Hyderabad
Judicial Process and Statutory Interpretation (Elective):
https://www.academia.edu/96332992/JUDICIAL_PROCESS_AND_STATUTORY_INTERPRETATION_July_October_2018_NALSAR_Hyderabad
Interdisciplinary Studies On The Indian Legal System (Seminar):
https://www.academia.edu/96337810/INTERDISCIPLINARY_STUDIES_ON_THE_INDIAN_LEGAL_SYSTEM_January_April_2018_NALSAR_Hyderabad
I could not find such uploads from other faculty members at NLSIU, NALSAR and NLU Delhi. I wish that more faculty members from these better known institutions had made their course plans publicly available.
AZB - 4
TTA - 2
Trilegal - 3
MUFG - 1
Veritas - 2
Indus - 1
Quilon - 1
Triumvir - 1
SAM - 1
ICUL - 1
JSA, Trilegal are professionally run non family law firms - they discourage relationships and marriage within office.
Family firms - Cyril Amarchand, Khaitan etc don't have any such policies.
I tend to shy away from hard work and looking like a beginner in professional settings sometimes and all this has lead to this.
I have been jobless for a while. It is really shitty, hearing shit from everyone, not being able to pay bills. Litigation was also paying peanuts. I dont want to waste any more time. Right now I cannot invest money to do another degree or anything. I just need to get into momentum. Any advice from someone who can help me out? Thanks for reading.
1 links london TC
1 S&R
1 Trilegal
get good internships, somehow get a job/practice for two years, do an online SQE prep course and immigrate to UK
They pay all the lawyers in time. Though the pay may be less compared to Tier 1 law firms but it is paid. They have some good matters as well in banking finance and infrastructure side. Please do not pay attention to disgruntled ex employees or interns.
Part 1 dealt with the issue of what is wrong with law firms. TLDR; what makes law firms problematic is that they do little to address some very fundamental things that make a workplace sustainable – certainty and visibility of workflows, better client expectation management and real and effective rest and recovery programs. These are real systemic problems.
So is in-house better? In-house roles too have real systemic problems. The first and possibility the most important one is the compensation disparity. In house roles generally don't pay as much as your plain old law firm job. Certainly not at junior to mid levels; & while senior roles at good companies you get you hefty sums, it may never match up to compensation level of some law firm partners.
Lawyers are also used to a very straight forward compensation structure. Month on month, your in-hand salary = Fixed- 10% TDS. But in-house even in a small startup doesn't work like that (if you are an employee & not a contractor). You will see something called the CTC in your offer letter (which could be a huge on-paper number). But a good rule of thumb is to deduct ~25-32% to calculate your monthly in-hand salary. Some might experience shock at the amount of tax they are paying upfront along with all the other deductions.
Some companies also offer ESOPs. ESOPs are tricky. There is a tax incidence when they vest & when you sell them. For the former, your company will most likely deduct some ESOPs from your monthly vesting - which means each month, you might receive a lower than expected share of ESOPs. Share value can fluctuate & you can't just keep holding on to ESOPs in perpetuity. Beyond a certain value, you will have to liquidate out of commercial prudence (particularly if they are foreign stocks). The other problem is that in new and upcoming start-ups ESOPs could basically be worthless or too cumbersome to liquidate. Their issuance process could be defective & any grants effectively unenforceable. All this is difficult to verify when you join.
So compensation is a real pain-point in in-house roles. There are perks for sure. Generous health insurance, fitness and wellness programs, cabs in IT companies, and subsidized food is not uncommon. But different people perceive value differently - so for some this overall value proposition may be less attractive.
Then there is the question of stakeholder relationships. In law firms, lawyers are often coached to be subservient to the client. Subservience with a little bit of tact and risk management will get you far in a law firm. In in-house roles - you simply can't operate that way. There are times when you have no choice but to stand firm and disagree to save your job. Sometimes you have to communicate subtly to make stakeholders understand the risks in terms they understand. Relationship management is way more complex and constant in in-house roles. When and how to 'escalate' becomes as important a skill as any of your legal skills. Not everyone might be good at this and this can become as a source of much stress. But this relationship building can really ground you, help you understand the pulse of the business (the actual one, not the one that law firm lawyers proclaim to know) & make you feel involved in a project or business in way that as an external counsel, you can rarely feel. It can lead to high level of satisfaction.
The way lawyers are perceived also varies from company to company. The common view of lawyers being a 'cost center' is often held but usually only by those stakeholders who don't have much experience of a legal issue gone bad. Mature companies (including many startups) these days seem to understand the value that lawyers bring to the table. Sure you may not be as important to the business as a techie or a sales person - but many in-house lawyers are able to become trusted business advisors in the true sense. Pro-tip: It is helpful to start out in an established in-house legal department to learn the ropes - since your legal skills become somewhat secondary in your day-to-day job.
And yes. Work does get monotonous and concentrated in a few buckets. But while you might not achieve much in subject breadth - you will certainly go deep in the sector your company operates (including non-legal stuff) , assuming you are interested in the business, your company is doing well and growing and has a good business team. The flip side is that as a law firm lawyer -you run the risk of doing shallow work most of the time - particularly, if you do advisory work, where you actually rarely get to see the business implementation of your advise. As a law firm lawyer, you might have better luck of doing deeper and impactful work in high-stakes litigation or investment transactions - but these come with the associated high personal cost - which made you hate law firms in the first place. It's pretty much a Hobson's choice.
And yes, in-house work can be as hectic as that in a law firm. Be sure to vet your company's culture before you join. In some cases, there could be lesser flexibility in in-house roles. Job security is also less certain than in law firms - where large scale layoffs not linked to performance issues, for all means and purposes don't happen. Yet.
So which is better? The anti-climatic answer is that it depends on you and your personal experience. My two cents, understand the pitfalls and benefits of working in either, but don't seek simple answers for complicated questions like this. It is your life we are talking about after all. If your starting point in your career is at a law firm & you feel disillusioned or doubtful, try out the other side of the grass. Maybe switch several times (if you are not satisfied). Only then will you subjectively see which side looks greener to you. And never forget: "What are your choices when someone holds a gun to your head? You do what they say or they shoot you, right? Wrong! You take the gun or pull out a bigger gun or you call a bluff or you do any of the other 146 other things”"
Kid! Just join the college and you will figure it out yourself.
This forum has been increasingly used by school kids and freshers, who want to be spoon-fed literally on anything and everything.
Does it say anything at all about - objectively is NLS a better or worse uni than these other options? or the value of foreign llms? not at all. what might be a trend for the children of celebrities/ rich people does not necessarily apply to you- nor is it necessarily a good choice inherently.
Just because you havent travelled to other cities and realised that this is just a fact of human nature and happens everywhere doesnt mean its something unique to bangalore or even that its something thats fundamentally unjust.
Can't comment on the political ideologies of Shishir or Pallavi, but some years ago Shishir had got into a war of words with the UP police, over a tweet concerning Yogi. See these links.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/lawyer-up-ias-officer-spar-over-yogi-hoarding-in-bluru/articleshow/84388222.cms
https://www.thenewsminute.com/karnataka/lawyer-who-shared-pic-govt-hoarding-bengaluru-threatened-legal-action-152227
Get a life, fan boy. Otherwise, get into investment banking or private equity.
Also, liberal content gets more engagement.
iPad + keypad can only be your second screen and would be a luxury.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UGIUJAwASMQ
Also, they will downplay stories of civil liberties violations in non-BJP states. The X accounts of their correspondents are also openly left-wing, tweeting and retweeting in favour of the opposition and against the BJP.
What's happening? Change in management? Instructions from funders?
This may sound silly but I would really appreciate if you could recommend bags for law schools ( totes, messengers, bag packs). I have a laptop and a tablet to carry.. also since I am an incoming student I don’t know what books/ resources we have to carry on a daily basis - so anything which accommodates them w/o being bulky.
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Again, second hand news, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Would really encourage you to do some research before joining.
As with most growing law firms, timelines are hard, work is harder, and burnouts happen more often than not. However, with the right partner, and the right team, this could be counteracted by just being open to wanting a break.
As to the cult culture, there are sessions that take place in KLA that feel like a seminar led by Jordan Peterson. However, take these with a grain of salt if you don’t agree, and live by the principles of you do. You usually get an all expenses paid trip out of it.
Pay, it differs. They look at previous experience, and your previous pay as opposed to a band system. I think I was paid pretty decently at an A2 level.
On culture, some SAs are more approachable while some aren’t. I’ve had an experience with a Delhi based SA, who I couldn’t stand (not naming anyone here). AC and AB are gems. Going out of their way to help you. You will have some instances where they come off as hard to deal with, but that generally stems out of a screw up.
All in all, I liked the place. Great place to learn, decent place to get paid, bad place if you’re looking for work-life balance.
So pick your priority if you plan on joining.
Hope this helped.
1. IT:
- Tata Consultancy Services (TCS)
- Infosys
- Wipro
2. Tech Startups:
- Flipkart
- Ola
- Paytm
3. FMCG (Fast-Moving Consumer Goods):
- Hindustan Unilever Limited (HUL)
- Nestle India
- ITC Limited
4. Petroleum:
- Indian Oil Corporation (IOC)
- Bharat Petroleum Corporation Limited (BPCL)
- Hindustan Petroleum Corporation Limited (HPCL)
5. Banking:
- State Bank of India (SBI)
- HDFC Bank
- ICICI Bank
6. Automobile:
- Tata Motors
- Maruti Suzuki
- Mahindra & Mahindra
7. Pharmaceuticals:
- Sun Pharmaceutical Industries
- Cipla
- Dr. Reddy's Laboratories
8. Telecom:
- Jio
- Airtel
- Vi (Vodafone Idea)