MPL7 has a new score leader: Symbiosis Pune brings what it’s been hinting for several weeksMPL7 has a new score leader: Symbiosis Pune brings what it’s been hinting for several weeks

A lot of mooting action took place over the last weekend-and-a-bit, and the MPL table appears very different now than it did two weeks ago.

Read on below for more, as we cover four different moot court competitions held nationally and internationally (with a few more to follow in the coming days).

Symbi rocks Surana corp to take MPL gold

Our much-delayed coverage of the 15th Surana Corporate Law Moot Court Competition (17-19 February, hosted by JSS Law College, Mysore) is finally here, after official confirmations from the organisers of results.

Symbiosis Pune continued with its ruthless onslaught for mooting glory as it took down GLC Mumbai for the winner’s trophy and simultaneously became the first non-NLU in MPL history to top the MPL league standings, replacing Nalsar Hyderabad for the top position.

The team of Mrudula Sarampally, Devina Srivastava and Priyanka Sharma represented SLS Pune and Shinjan Alok, Blanche Christine Dsouze and Khyati Goel made up the GLC Mumbai team.

Institute of Law, Nirma University and Symbiosis Noida were the other semi-finalists at the moot.

NLU Cuttack, Odisha bagged the best memorial citation as Sayak Chatterjee from UPES Dehradun won the best speaker award.

Points awarded at Surana Corp:

Winner: SLS Pune (10)

Runners-Up: GLC Mumbai (5)

Semi-Finalist: ILNU Ahmedabad (3) and SLS Noida (3)

Best Speaker: UPES Dehradun (5)

Best Memorial: NLU Odisha (5)

Organizer: JSS Law College, Mysore (1)

GNLU (and NLS, NUJS) go far at Frankfurt Investment Arbitration moot

Clearly not satiated after its ELSA (Asia-Pacific) victory, GNLU Gandhinagar emerged as runner-up at the 10th Frankfurt Investment Arbitration Moot Court Competition 2017.

NLSIU Bangalore and NUJS Kolkata were the other Indian universities to have broken into the advanced rounds and both emerged as quarter-finalists and hence have not been awarded any points.

The Frankfurt Arbitration Moot story is still incomplete, so we request other eligible citation holders we have not included at the moot to kindly reach out to us on or .

15th Red Cross International Humanitarian Law Moot Court Competition 2017

Representing India at the international rounds, NLSIU bagged the 3rd-best-written submission for the prosecution at the 15th Red Cross Moot Court Competition and has been awarded 3 points under the “Other Hon’ble Mention” category as per MPL rules.

NLU Delhi cleans up at 2nd ICC moot

NLU Delhi hosted the 2nd Indian Qualifiers of the International Criminal Court Moot Court Competition 2017 (Indian Qualification Rounds) over 16-19 March 2017, with the host college amassing every single winnable citation, as NLU Delhi defeated defending champions NLSIU Bangalore (first runner-up) and GNLU Gandhinagar (second runner-up) in the finals.

GNLU has been awarded MPL points equivalent to a semi-finalist (3rd position) citation.

Aditya Garg from NLU Delhi bagged the best speaker citation and the college won the best memorial citation too, leaping from the 22nd position to 12th place, only a point behind School of Law Christ University, Bangalore.

ICC points awarded:

Winner: NLU Delhi (20)

Runners-Up: NLSIU Bangalore (10)

Semi-Finalist: GNLU Gandhinagar (5)

Best Speaker: NLU Delhi (10)

Best Memorial: NLU Delhi (10)

MPL season analysis: Symbi outperforms, GNLU nibbles, NLU Delhi brings it (at) home

Symbiosis Pune has marginally taken an 8-point lead over Nalsar Hyderabad, as it continued to exert dominance with consistently outperforming other single Indian law school in the national tier category of moots.

The Pune Symbi has so far won 3 moots, emerged as runners-up in 1 and broken into the semi-finals in 6 different moots.

Simultaneously, GNLU Gandhinagar has extended its lead over RGNUL Patiala by 17 points, nibbling at Nalsar’s 2nd spot as it stands merely 3 points away from the erstwhile top position holder.

Meanwhile NLSIU Bangalore has shown some strong presence in the International tier category as it scored 13 points to break back into the 5th position, only 4 points ahead of NLIU Bhopal.

NLU Delhi’s post-ICC’s 40-point killer haul (with home advantage) has gifted it the biggest MPL jump so far, and it is now undeniably in the MPL race.

Amidst all of this action, NLU Jodhpur has been once again pushed down to 9th spot, as the MPL 6 champion failed to score a single point post the ELSA WTO Asia Pacific rounds and continues to face some tough competition from the MPL middle position holders.

But with the international rounds of Stetson Environment Law Moot not being very far, multiple citation victories could mean the MPL 7 fortunes of NLU Jodhpur may yet change.

Over the course of the next 7 days as we attempt to cover HNLU’s flagship moot court competition along with the international rounds of CLEA, the obvious question to ask is: Will SLS Pune continue to wreak havoc and claim its first MPL trophy or will GNLU push Nalsar to 3rd and scale the 11 point difference between itself and the table topper?

MPL 7 season standings

RankCollegeTotal MPL pointsItemisation of MPL pointsICC Indian Rounds (T3)PtsRed Cross (T5)PtsFrankfurt Moot (T5)PtsSurana Corp (T5)Pts
1Symbiosis Law School Pune100Surana Corp (T5): Winner (10) | RML-SCC (T5): Best Speaker (5) | NUJS-HSF (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) | Amity National (T4): Winner (15) | Raj Anand Moot (T4): Semi-Finalist (3) | R K Tankha (T5): Winner (10) | DMH 2017 (T2): Best Memorial (20) | GIMC 2017 (T4): Semi-Finalist (4); Best Memorial (8) | Jessup India Rounds (T3): Runners-Up (10) | K K Luthra Moot (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) | BR Sawhney (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) | MC Chagla (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) |Winner (10)10
2Nalsar Hyderabad92NLUJ Antitrust (T4): Runners-Up (8) | R K Tankha (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) | GIMC 2017 (T4): Winner (15); Best Researcher (8) | Jessup India Rounds (T3): Semi-Finalist (5) | FDI Moot (Int’l Rounds) (T5): 3rd Best Team (3); Best Speaker (5); Hon’ble Speaker Mention (3) | Rivzi Moot (T5): Winner (10) | Pro Bono Enviro: Winner (10); Best Memorial (5) | Oxford Price Media (South Asia Rounds) (T3): Best Memorial (10) | BR Sawhney (T4): Organizer (2) | GNLU Securities Moot (T5): Best researcher (5) |
3GNLU Gandhinagar89ICC Indian Rounds (T3): 2nd Runners-Up (Semi-Finalist Equivalent) (5) | Frankfurt Moot (T5): Runners-Up (5) | ELSA WTO (Asia PAcific) (T5): Winner (10); Best Speaker (Finals) | NUJS-HSF (T4): Runners-Up (8); Best Speaker (8) | ULC Moot (T5): Best Researcher (5) | CLEA (T5): Winner (10) | DMH 2017 (T2): Semi-Finalist (15) | GIMC 2017 (T4): Organiser (2) | Pro Bono Enviro: Best Speaker (5) | Stetson India Rounds (T3): Semi-Finalist (5) | BR Sawhney (T4): Best Speaker (8) | GNLU Securities Moot (T5): Organizer (1) |2nd Runners-Up (Semi-Finalist Equivalent) (5)5Runners-Up (5)5
4RGNUL Patiala72RML-SCC (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) | NLUJ Antitrust (T4): Best Researcher (8) | ULC Moot (T5): Winner (10) | Raj Anand Moot (T4): Winner (15) | Rivzi Moot (T5): Best Researcher (5) | K K Luthra Moot (T4): Runners-Up (8) | BR Sawhney (T4): Winner (15); Best Memorial (8) |
5NLSIU Bangalore66ICC Indian Rounds (T3): Runners-Up (10) | Red Cross (T2): Hon’ble Mention for 3rd Best Written Submission (5) | ELSA WTO (Asia PAcific) (T5): Semi-Finalist (3); Best Speaker (5) | CLEA (T5): Best Memorial (5) | K K Luthra Moot (T4): Best Memorial (8) | Oxford Price Media (South Asia Rounds) (T3): Winner (20) | Henry Dunant (T3): Runner-up (10) |Runners-Up (10)10Hon’ble Mention for 3rd Best Written Submission (5)5
6NLIU Bhopal62NUJS-HSF (T4): Winner (15) | R K Tankha (T5): Organiser (1) | Jessup India Rounds (T3): Semi-Finalist (5); Best Memorial (10) | FDI Moot (Int’l Rounds) (T5): 3rd Best Claimant Memorial (3) | Oxford Price Media (South Asia Rounds) (T3): Runners-Up (10) | BR Sawhney (T4): Runners-up (8) | Amity International (T5): Runners-Up (5); Best Memorial (5) |
7NUJS Kolkata62RML-SCC (T5): Runners-Up (5) | NUJS-HSF (T4): Organizer (2) | DMH 2017 (T2): Best Researcher (20) | Jessup India Rounds (T3): Best Speaker (10) | Stetson India Rounds (T3): Best Speaker (10) | Oxford Price Media (South Asia Rounds) (T3): Best Speaker (10) | MC Chagla (T5): Best speaker (5) |
8GLC Mumbai57Surana Corp (T5): Runners-Up (5) | Raj Anand Moot (T4): Best Memorial (8) | DMH 2017 (T2): Organiser (2) | GIMC 2017 (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) | Rivzi Moot (T5): Semi-Finalist (3); Best speaker (5) | MC Chagla (T5): Win (10); Best Memo (5) | Henry Dunant (T3): Best Speaker (10) | GNLU Securities Moot (T5): Best Speaker (5) |Runners-Up (5)5
9NLU Jodhpur55ELSA WTO (Asia PAcific) (T5): Runners-Up (5) | NLUJ Antitrust (T4): Organizer (2) | DMH 2017 (T2): Runners-Up (25) | Stetson India Rounds (T3): Winners (20) | GNLU Securities Moot (T5): Semi-Finalists (3) |
10SLCU Bangalore51RML-SCC (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) | DMH 2017 (T2): Winner (30) | Pro Bono Enviro: Runners-Up (5) | MC Chagla (T5): Semi-Finalist (3); Best Researcher (5) | GNLU Securities Moot (T5): Runner-up (5) |
11NLU Delhi50ICC Indian Rounds (T3): Winner (20); Best Speaker (10); Best Memorial (10) | NUJS-HSF (T4): Best Memorial (8) | Oxford Price Media (South Asia Rounds) (T3): Organizer (2) |Winner (20); Best Speaker (10); Best Memorial (10)40
12NLU Orissa41Surana Corp (T5): Best Memorial (5) | Amity National (T4): Best Researcher (8) | R K Tankha (T5): Semi-Finalist (3); Best Memorial (5) | Jessup India Rounds (T3): Winners (20) |Best Memorial (5)5
13ILS Pune37NLUJ Antitrust (T4): Winner (15): Best Memorial (8) | NUJS-HSF (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) | ULC Moot (T5): Runners-Up (5) | Stetson India Rounds (T3): Semi-Finalist (5) |
14Symbiosis Noida34Surana Corp (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) | Raj Anand Moot (T4): Runners-Up (8); Best Speaker (8) | Stetson India Rounds (T3): Runners-Up (10) | MC Chagla (T5): Runner-up (5) |Semi-Finalist (3)3
15George Washington University Law School31GIMC 2017 (T4): Runners-Up (8); Best Speaker (8) | K K Luthra Moot (T4): Winner (15) |
16ILNU Ahmedabad28Surana Corp (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) | Amity National (T4): Runners-Up (8); Best Memorial (8) | BR Sawhney (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) | Henry Dunant (T3): Joint Best Memorial (5) |Semi-Finalist (3)3
17UILS Chandigarh25Henry Dunant (T3): Win (20); Joint Best Memorial (5) |
18CNLU Patna25Stetson India Rounds (T3): Best Memo (10) | Amity International (T5): Winner (10); Best Researcher (5) |
19UPES Dehradun20Surana Corp (T5): Best Speaker (5) | CLEA (T5): Runners-Up (5) | GNLU Securities Moot (T5): Win (10), |Best Speaker (5)5
20Amity Law School Delhi19ELSA WTO (Asia PAcific) (T5): Best Written Submission (5) | Amity National (T4): Organizer (2) | R K Tankha (T5): Runners-Up (5); Best Speaker (5) | Jessup India Rounds (T3): Organiser (2) |
21NUSRL Ranchi16ULC Moot (T5): Semi-Finalist (3); Best Speaker (5) | K K Luthra Moot (T4): Best Speaker (8) |
22MNLU Mumbai10Henry Dunant (T3): Best Memorial (10) |
23NUALS Kochi10RML-SCC (T5): Winner (10) |
24Amity Law School Noida9NLUJ Antitrust (T4): Best Speaker (8) | Amity International (T5): Organizer (1) |
25RMLNLU Lukcnow9RML-SCC (T5): Organiser (1) | GNLU Securities Moot (T5): Best written submission (5); Semi-Finalists (3) |
26DSNLU Vizag9RML-SCC (T5): Best Memorial (5) | NLUJ Antitrust (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) |
27Karnataka State University Law School8Pro Bono Enviro: Semi-Finalist (3); Best Researcher (5) |
28Kerala Law Academy8ULC Moot (T5): Semi-Finalist (3); Best Memorial (5) |
29VIT School of Law, Chennai8Amity National (T4): Best Speaker (8) |
30HNLU Raipur6Rivzi Moot (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) | Pro Bono Enviro: Semi-Finalist (3) |
31SVKM’s NMIMS Mumbai5Amity International (T5): Best Speaker (5) |
32Jamia Milia Islamia Law School5Rivzi Moot (T5): Runners-Up (5) |
33Modi University, Rajasthan5CLEA (T5): Best Speaker (5) |
34SOEL Chennai5Amity National (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) | Pro Bono Enviro: Organizer (1) |
35DES’s Shri Navalmal Firodia Law College4K K Luthra Moot (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) |
36Llyod Law College4Amity National (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) |
37Law Centre-I Faculty of Law, DU4NLUJ Antitrust (T4): Semi-Finalist (4) |
38ULC Bangalore4ULC Moot (T5): Organizer (1) | CLEA (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) |
39NLUJAA Assam3CLEA (T5): Semi-Finalist (3) |
40Sastra School of Law Thanjavur2Stetson India Rounds (T3): Organizer (2) |
41Rizvi Law College, Mumbai1Rivzi Moot (T5): Organizer (1) |
42VELS Chennai1CLEA (T5): Organiser (1) |
43JSS Law College, Mysore1Surana Corp (T5): Organiser (1) |Organiser (1)1

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Like +0 Object -0 Jackal 21 Mar 17, 15:12
Interesting read, the rankings. I graduated law school in 2014 and witnessed the enthusiasm during the initial seasons of MPL. I guess the same has frittered away with time. With Symbi at top and RGNUL at 4, either of the two is possible: a. Finally, the difference in quality amongst law schools has been bridged, at least to a large extent. b. Very few are interested in mooting from the top schools.
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Like +4 Object -12 Guest 21 Mar 17, 16:30
The difference has NOT been bridged. Symbi and GLC remain far inferior to NLUs. It is the the following reasons:

1) Symbi and GLC have no attendance, so students only prepare for moots and nothing else.

2) As you have pointed out, mooting does not matter if one wishes to get a good job or LLM admission in a top law school

3) Corruption in judging and bias by Legally India
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Like +9 Object -2 Symbi Student 22 Mar 17, 01:50  interesting
Dear Guest,

Though i respect your personal opinion, Symbi for one isn't far inferior to NLU's. It might not be better than some of them, but it still is not 'far inferior'. Please open your minds and horizon a little.

Secondly, Symbi does have a rule of attendance set at 75%. Though it is relaxed on a case-to-case basis, and looking at mooting, academics, sporting and medical reasons. In most cases, students not being able to maintain attendance are granted term not granted (TNG) wherein the internals are not counted for that semester and you have to retake them the next, you're also not allowed to sit for any of the externals and have to take it next semester as well.

Thirdly, Mooting surely does not matter with reference to a good job or LLM admission, but it has a number of its advantages, it would be more beneficial if you google them.

Fourthly, Corruption in judging and bias? are you Arvind Kejriwal? Thats the last resort you took to?
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Like +4 Object -0 Nujs 21 Mar 17, 16:15
Nujs was runners up in law Asia moot Court competition held in Sri Lanka. Also, they got second best memorial award at Oxford IP Moot 2017. Please add them
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Like +1 Object -9 This is a fraud 21 Mar 17, 16:21
Legally India is taking money from Symbi to advertise on its website and then cooking up a biased points system so that Symbi tops the table. For example, why were no points were given to NLS and NUJS for qualifying for the Oxford IP moot world rounds? https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/centres-institutes/oxford-intellectual-property-research-centre/15th-annual-oxford-international

Why are minor moots getting such high points?

Friends, please do not be fooled by this scam, which is being done in the lead up to the CLAT. I think India Today and Outlook will also take money and rank Symbi high. The truth is that NLUs will always be much better than Symbi in every way: moots, placements, infra, student quality and faculty quality.
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Like +8 Object -0 kianganz 21 Mar 17, 16:28  interesting
Lol. I was wondering how long that would take... :)

For the record, the MPL list of moots has not changed significantly for a few years, so you're attributing far too many predictive powers to us on that front, that we can somehow game the performance of one college over others with the list of moots :)

In any case, the great thing about the MPL is that it should be 99% objective, with very very little discretion at our end (and arguably no real discretion to favour one team over another). It also aims to be pretty transparent, so if we haven't awarded points where they are due, then you can call us out on it.

As for Oxford IP, it is a Tier 5 international moot but we don't award points for the national qualifiers to it, currently. If Indian participation in Oxford IP has increased considerably, we can consider an upgrade (though many foreign moots are prohibitively expensive, so we would err on the side of caution there, in the interests of not making the MPL too dominated but which college and students have the greatest funds).

See here for more details:
http://www.legallyindia.com/wiki/Mooting_Premier_League_2014-15_moot_court_competitions
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Like +2 Object -1 Outsider 21 Mar 17, 20:48
I am sorry, Kian, you may still say your MPL calculation system is transparent, but it is still certainly arbitrary. For instance, you award points for national rounds for ICC Moot, but not Oxford IP Moot, which for some strange reason, you have relegated to the status of Tier 5, despite a consistent record of good problem, fairly good judging etc. You may claim based on your points system, the ranks you award are fair, but the system itself does not always make sense. This is purely an objective call, I am not accusing you of ridiculous 'vices' such as being paid mouthpiece for Symbi et al. I've been following the MPL ranking since it has started and I must say the criteria for awarding points for some moots and not for others and tiering the moots do not always make rational sense. Not that the MPL ranking really highlights the actual quality of a law school, moots seldom did. Maybe of individual students to a certain extent, yes.
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 21 Mar 17, 22:12
Thanks, appreciate that sound piece of feedback.

At the beginning of this season and throughout, we have actually been soliciting feedback about all the moots in the previous MPL, and whether any should be up or downgraded, but had no feedback about Frankfurt.

Of course ranking moots can not be a completely objective exercise (any more than ranking law schools), but the most important thing has always been that even if the system isn't perfect,

1) it is forward looking in the vast majority of cases (in order to avoid possible bias in favour of one school, upgrading a competition after it has already been won by someone), and
2) it is up for debate, so we are happy to make changes if we get solid feedback and reasons for up and downgrading a moot.

It is possible Oxford IP has come up in the rankings in the past few years, but I'm pretty sure there was a reason for having it in tier 5 when it first started (probably not enough participation initially from India).

If that has changed, for next MPL season we'd be more than happy to consider it.

If anyone else agrees / disagrees re Oxford IP, please do let us know.
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Like +2 Object -1 Guest 21 Mar 17, 22:31
Kian ranks Oxford IP moot (judged by House of Lords judges) below some domestic moots. What a joke MPL is!!
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Like +4 Object -9 Expert 21 Mar 17, 17:52
Dear CLAT aspirants, please do not be fooled by all this. Here is the correct ranking of law schools in India:

1. NLSIU
2. NALSAR
3. NUJS
4. NLUD
5. NLUJ
6. NLIU
7. GNLU
8. RMLNLU/RGNUL/HNLU/NUALS/J indal Law School
9. NLUO
10. Symbi/Amity/GLC
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Like +5 Object -1 kianganz 21 Mar 17, 17:58
Who's talking about fooling? :)

Let me make it clear - the only things that are proven by a college's MPL performance are some or all of the following:

1. The college has some smart students who enjoy mooting.
2. The college has a culture that encourages and appreciates mooting.
3. The college perhaps promotes mooting financially and with faculty and other support.

There might be a few points I've missed. But if in any doubt, the MPL does *not* translate into an automatic ranking of college quality.

And I think most aspirants know that. They do, right?
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Like +3 Object -0 Guest 21 Mar 17, 20:36
Your MPL ranking is being used by my brother's coaching centre and they also shared another ranking by you on placements and faculty where you ranked Symbi high. It is being used to say that in addition to CLAT, AILET and LSAT one must try for Symbi as well. India Today ranking is also being cited. In addition to this Lawctopus did a ranking which was all wrong. There is no proper guidance being given and students are confused.
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 21 Mar 17, 22:18
Hmm, not sure what we can do about that to be honest...

I don't think we ever published a ranking where Symbi was high on placements and faculty, though a reader-contributed blog analysis may have done (though from what I remember, that had NLUs in all the top spots, I think).

To be honest, there are so many various facts, figures and rankings in our archives, that it's easy for anyone to cherry pick to come up with whatever rankings they prefer.

Agree with your main argument though, that no real guidance is provided (which is why it's been quite safe for the CLAT to just go by the long-established order, mostly by year of founding).
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Like +5 Object -2 Donation college exprt 21 Mar 17, 18:24
Are you seriously putting Jindal at 8. They take 500 students in a batch. With respect to HNLU, you don't even find five people in top tier law firms. RML is doing well. RGNUL is doing okayish, they surely have the balls to come up. Nothing about NUALS, so many years, not a lot of people in top tier law firms. NLUO is trying to do well even if it has a huge locational disadvantage. Can't see why they are ranked lower than RGNUL, HNLU or NUALS.
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Like +1 Object -7 Real expert 21 Mar 17, 20:42
Here is the real top 10::

NLS>NALSAR>NLUJ>NLUD>NUJS>NLIU> GNLU>HNLU>RGNUL>RMLNLU

Then comes new NLUs, then Jindal/Symbi/Amity.

Thumb rule: Always NLUs first, then the rest. NLU placements are always better.
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Like +1 Object -2 Guest 21 Mar 17, 21:08
I think NLUD comes before NLUJ, but you are right in putting NLUJ before NUJS
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Like +4 Object -0 Guest 21 Mar 17, 22:32
NLUJ before NUJS? Joke of the century.
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Like +0 Object -0 nepotism continues 21 Mar 17, 18:54
then why are you allotting points for best speakers in the finals if you haven't allotted before. ELSA moot
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 21 Mar 17, 19:02
Please check the MPL rulebook - as far as I recall, but please correct me if I'm wrong, for the more top tier international moots (above tier 5, i think) there are also points for 'honourable mention'-like citations (since Indian teams are in the minority at such competitions, and even achievements such as best speaker in finals or the like are therefore recognised as more challenging and less likely to get for an Indian team).
http://www.legallyindia.com/wiki/Mooting_Premier_League_2014-15_moot_court_competitions

The rule organically evolved out of what we did at Stetson and Jessup, where there are lots of citations (like 100 top speakers, etc), which attract points. Since most Indian teams returned from international moots with nothing under the old rules, we balanced it a bit a few years ago to the current system.

However, we are sometimes wrong in our tallying, so please point out if you think there's been a mistake.
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Like +0 Object -0 Nilav 21 Mar 17, 19:10
Hi,

All Tier V International Moots have a separate citation category called "Other Hon'ble Mentions" under which Best Speaker (Finals) points (3) are awarded for Tier V moots like ELSA WTO Asia Pacific Rounds. This is over and above the Best Speaker (Prelims/Overall) which is usally 5 points for all Tier V moots. We have followed a uniform format of awarding points before and after ELSA.

Thanks!
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 21 Mar 17, 22:13
Thanks Nilav for confirming the details!
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Like +0 Object -0 Headline Reader 21 Mar 17, 19:02
What does "India exceeds in Germany" mean?
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Like +1 Object -0 kianganz 21 Mar 17, 19:05
Heh, I'm not 100% sure to be honest and I admit it's not entirely grammatically correct, but was hinting at 'India exceeds expectations in Germany' or just that India was doing greater than (i.e. exceeded) other countries.

Hope it comes across, but I take your point :)
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 21 Mar 17, 20:48
Frankfurt sees participation from over 20 teams in India! all 6 spots go to worlds! why is it tier 5!!
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 21 Mar 17, 20:49
I think Legally India ignored the fact that unlike other moots, ICC has a 3 team per round model, meaning that there are 9 teams in the semi finals and 3 in the finals, therefore its ONLY fair that second runners up deserve the same points as the finalists.
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Like +0 Object -1 Nilav 21 Mar 17, 22:27
Hi,

We are aware of the 3 teams per round format at ICC. We have followed precedent of awarding the 2nd Runners-Up points equivalent to a Semi-Finalist position finish because the MPL structure is based on a general framework of 1 winner, 1 runners-up, 2 semifinalist etc. Catering to specific requirements of particular moots tends to be disruptive of this general rubric.

Thanks.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 21 Mar 17, 22:40
so youre saying that the general rubric of MPL is to award points as per the number of teams and not as per the stage that the teams reach? of course there needs to be some catering to the model adopted by a moot!
by awarding the finalists the points of a semi finalist stage youre essentially disregarding the fact that they reached a more advanced stage than the semi finals! its like hey we already gave 2 teams the finalists points to 2 teams so the third team just has to live with semi finalist points even though they reached the finals, super absurd!
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest1 21 Mar 17, 23:23
Still doesn't make sense. If someone reaches the finals, they should be awarded equally. If you think it 'disrupts' the structure, award the same points to BOTH teams that reach the finals. Essentially, by giving 'semi-final' you're demoting the team that reached the finals
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Like +0 Object -0 Nilav 22 Mar 17, 17:54
Hi,

Points are awarded on the basis of the overall position attained by a given college in a moot. While there are 3 finalists in ICC, the 3rd place holder (or second runners-up) is considered equivalent to a semi-finalist because of their overall rank in the moot. Awarding them points equivalent to semi-finalists is in no fashion demoting them to a position which they do not deserve. It is merely awarding of points for coming 3rd overall. Also, accommodating specific requirements of particular moots becomes extremely difficult because it skews up the framework that we intend to follow for other moots. If given a choice of having one uniform MPL points awarding system for all the moots on one hand and one specifically catering to ICC on the other, I guess the choice if fairly obvious.

Also, we cannot be awarding the same points to both runners-up teams, because one team essentially performed better than the other, which is why the 2nd ranked team gets more points than the 3rd ranked team.
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Like +9 Object -0 NLU Stud 21 Mar 17, 21:20  interesting
This is such a disgrace. Every law school topic on Legally India has to end up being an NLU v. Non - NLU debate. Rather than lauding the grit of students, mud - slinging is the only course of action people consider appropriate. This is what legal education has come to in this country. Sad but true.
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Like +2 Object -0 YesIamfromGNLU 21 Mar 17, 23:30
Legally India has forgotten the art of unbiased reporting.

You're so overcome by your bias against GNLU, that winning an international moot (Frankfurt) doesn't seem to merit let alone the title of the article, but not even the sub-title where your feel the need to mention the other NLUs that only reached the quarters.

Please appreciate the effort that students put into moots without being blinded by your bias against their university.
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 22 Mar 17, 06:46
Hehe, seriously? From what I remember our coverage of GNLU's rise through the ranks the last few weeks has been unequivocally positive (as were these headlines - you got a Symbi-Nalsar sandwich, but 3 Indian teams performing well abroad is always bigger headline mooting news than an individual college coming second - where's your nationalism? :)

Honestly, we may have our editorial differences with the GNLU admin, but I'm super happy for GNLU students, who are an awesome bunch for the most part, and I absolutely love to see them perform well.

Incidentally, you sound like you may be a younger batch so you might not know this, but MPL was started with LI by GNLU's very own Vinay Mishra (with GNLU's Sanjay Khan Nagra and Prashanth Ramdas taking over the reins for the seasons after that).
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Like +2 Object -3 Guest 22 Mar 17, 01:58
Symbi's run is admirable but let's face the clear facts - most of their wins have come in smaller Tier IV and V Moots which major NLUs don't even send teams for. And since Symbi takes in a lot more students than any of the NLUs, they can simply afford to send students to more Moots.

The table will truly become clear when the International Rounds of most Moots begin starting with Vis East next week. If Symbi hopes to retain its top spot, it must actually prove its mettle in the bigger leagues.
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Like +0 Object -11 Well said 22 Mar 17, 06:08
Exactly! I think Legally India is doing this as Symbi is advertising on their site.
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Like +3 Object -1 kianganz 22 Mar 17, 06:38
While I'm really enjoying myself here, 'well said' and a few others have really disappointed me in the logical thinking on display here from what are supposed to be our finest future legal minds. :)

Unless I am a Lex Luthor level supervillain, please explain to me how I could possibly have rigged MPL 7 in favour of Symbi, even if I wanted to (and it's very much the opposite, as our editorial policies and my personal convictions are clear that ads biasing editorial is the last thing I want).

The list of moots has been basically static for years, and was finalised *before* Symbi ever won anything. Now unless we can either somehow rig individual moots, time travel, look into the future, or remote control mooters, I don't see any realistic way to explain any of those arguments, though I'd love to hear some ideas or thoughts :)

Fact is, Symbi Pune seems to be doing particularly well this MPL season, especially when compared against previous seasons, when they weren't really anywhere. But comment 11 Guest may be right that the big upcoming international moots could shift the points towards the NLUs again. Or maybe not, who knows :)

Anyway, please enjoy the MPL, and stop fighting so much about which college is better, nkay? :)
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Like +1 Object -1 Outsider 22 Mar 17, 08:52
Which level of supervillany have you attained till date, Kian? Do tell us! :D
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 22 Mar 17, 16:25
Kian are you aware that the Dean of Jindal law school has a signature file where he mentions that Legally India ranked Jindal as the fifth best law school in India (along with the Careers 360 rank)? If you do not believe me you can get it from any student or I can upload the screenshot of the signature file (I have one mail with me).

I can similarly show you that coaching centres are giving rankings from Legally India (along with Outlook, India Today and Careers 360). And now the MPL ranking is being given.

The point is that the rankings are causing a lot of confusion for students and parents. You need to please clarify what is the official ranking of Legally India and also whether rankings by various magazines is correct.

Another problem is that you are giving a lot of negative coverage to GNLU and NUJS, but such problems happen in all NLUs, even Bangalore. This is making some students choose NLUJ over them in CLAT but NLUJ is actually worse

People have no proper idea about law school placements, package, infrastructure, faculty etc, so you need to give a correct picture. Your website is misleading people.
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Like +1 Object -1 Guest123 25 Mar 17, 17:26
Hey!

Your rulebook shows Surana Corporate as Tier 4 moot. Please check and update accordingly.
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Like +1 Object -1 Nilav 25 Mar 17, 19:27
Hi,

Thanks for pointing out the error. We shall be shortly covering Oxford IPR and HNMCC 2017 and in the same story, we shall rectify the error.
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