With your grammar, they would take over us anyway.

You mean 'over take'? I am sure NUJS do not wish to 'take over' any institution.

"Shame" on them

Just stop this nonsense. These are the best teachers and you should be grateful they are teaching spoilt and ungrateful students with no manners when they could have taught abroad at good universities with a comfortable job, or even joined Jindal with a fancy pay packet. So please show respect. You people are a disgrace because you just want weak teachers who will give marks and enforce discipline even if they have no knowledge. You complain about lack of alumni teaching and when good alumni come you have a problem.

@Mess whatever

My friend thats some awesome stuff that you are smoking if it makes you think SB and KR are "scamming" the university. Mind telling me where it's sold? I could do with a nice trip too.

These comments are disgusting and ignorant. Who says they are not qualified to each elsewhere? Not all NLU VCs demand UGC NET. Furthermore, all private universities like Jindal and Azim Premji accept people NLU graduates with just an LLM. I am sure Jindal will be happy to take them. FYI several high-achieving NLU alumni teach at Jindal, including a few batch toppers and gold medalists from the early NUJS batches.

This just exposes the shallow mentality of students like you. It is a myth that you want NLU alumni and good people to teach. You are happy with mediocre people like "Rather Particular" because they shower marks. I saw a comment elsewhere suggesting Sudhir Krishnaswamy and Shubhankar Dam as the next VC. LOOOOOL. They will be 10 times as strict as the people you are criticising --- they will fail students for shoddy work and expel students for plagiarism.

As a person lucky to have 8 amazing courses taught by these professors Ive never understood why they remain at NUJS. Cant say more but based on chats with them while getting my recommendation letters done this year I wont be surprised if they are both making plans to leave.

18 lakh median salary ke saath! I am smoking what my students are too and it's the good stuff.

Since when do rabbits recruit? Is it during carrot cultivation season? Or has it spiked after the recent box office success of Peter Rabbit?

Coz of high attrition rate in all the firms. Firms only expect a tiny percentage of their fresh hires to stay beyond a year. Increase in hires mean decrease in percentage of people staying in firms.

I completely agree. There is no doubt that all these achievements at NUJS are completely student driven (This has also been highlighted in the University Review Commission report). The admin is often responsible for creating hurdles rather than facilitating achievements.

Totally agree with you. TBH, a handful of the faculty do help and support student work, achievements though, including helping during Day Zero hurdles. But their number is too few at present and we need plenty more like them. At the end of the day, students make or break a university, period.

Agree with some of your points, but not all.
1. Apart from NIRF Ranking, NLUD is yet to cross NUJS in any other form of perception. NLSIU and NUJS are fairly comparable in terms of faculty, as is NALSAR. Finance, yes. But students can hardly do much about that bit, nor can the VC.
2. No law school provides placement to 100% of the batch. All the data provided by RPCs saying only about 50% people opt for placement to begin with from all law schools are somewhat suspect, but assuming that is true, NUJS has always managed to provide jobs to those who sit for recruitment. Whether it is mean or median or any other metric, NUJS grads are not behind any Indian law school in terms of graduate salary. There is absolutely no evidence to show otherwise.
3. The two companies you mentioned do not usually recruit from elsewhere other than NLSIU. That's an advantage they have, undoubtedly. Here, RPC can think of a good strategy to convince them otherwise. Student quality is certainly comparable.
4. Again, NUJS students are not behind anybody in terms of foreign law firm offers. In fact, NLSIU has not had any for this batch at all as per LI reports. But I agree we should all start thinking about ways to bring more foreign firms to India beyond the one or two that do at present.
5. 4th year students cannot have LLM offers at present. But here too, NUJS students are not behind anybody. Last year itself, graduates and alumni have had a Rhodes and Chevening scholarship that I personally know of, maybe a few others too. On a regular basis, NLSIU beats others in terms of consistency though, I agree. The huge fees of NUJS does play a role here, compared to NLSIU. Students prefer getting a job, clearing the loans, and then going off for higher studies. This is why more alumni go for LL.M. every year than fresher graduates.
6. The list you mentioned is obviously disparate because of the 15 year headstart NLSIU has had so far. Since 2005, if you compare, the figures are not certainly too divergent, but then, not a lot of people become global experts in 13 years. Certainly no other NLU apart from NLSIU is ahead of NUJS in this matter. NALSAR is comparable. NLUD doesn't count, since it's way too young yet for this metric.
7. True. This is actually somewhere that students would love to improve upon, but so far they receive very little admin support. NUJS students have the potential to do much, much better, but finance becomes a huge problem, so does occasionally admin hurdles for attendance etc. Hopefully, this can improve with a better admin in the days to come.

Overall, I would say students form the biggest strength of this institution still. A little bit of support from admin would easily see the students going miles ahead in terms of future achievements. Even at this stage, they are not doing worse than anybody else and certainly doing better than most.

Hello Critic,
This shall be a systematic answer to all the 7 points raised by you.
1) In terms of CLAT preferences, NUJS remains securely above NLUD and chasing on NALSAR. NIRF rankings have so many faults that their credibility is doubtful if not shambolic. Public perception, as shown by the recruiters remains quite good of NUJS. This is not denying that a lot of things in NUJS need changing and hopefully a dynamic new VC should help. But by that standard, Venkat Rao and NLS have just started their way to a shambolic decline.
2) Placements: NUJS has always had 100% placements. Everyone who wants a job gets a job. Average salary remains well above both NALSAR and NLS. Follow analyst reports instead of NIRF and you'll know.
3)Global companies such as Goldman and McKinsey are consultancy firms which not very many law students are interested in but nonetheless, only NLS grads get hired there, that too sporadically. Give NUJS time, they'll get there as well.
4) Foreign law firm offers are as of this year more than both NLS and NALSAR.
5) We have students, from only the last batch in Harvard, Cambridge, LSE, Geneva, SOAS, etc. One student has won the Rhodes Scholarship. Not really lacking there.
6)It takes time to do these things. NLS was founded in 1988. NUJS in 2000. The only place where such a time gap can be ignored is in corporate law firms where progression is based on merit and less time. In that regard then, NUJS is doing really well.
7) This is the most arbitrary criteria ever. If moots are important, so are debates, so are sports. But if Sports were, then NUJS beat NLS and NALSAR in the tri series. If debates are then NUJS is easily the best debating law school in India right now. And even if moots are, the record this year across so many moots has been nothing short of exemplary.

NUJS has done fantastically well and its all down to the students despite many hindrances by the admin. no doubt there is still scope for improvement, but where i take offence with your comment is that it is an opinion based on misinformation. I suggest you correct your facts and then enter this debate again should you wish to.

Yours
V

To add, there are 6 NUJS students in the current Harvard LLM class. SIX.
That was headline worthy by itself.

So, one week spent at NUJS made you an expert on all things at NUJS. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe NLUD has already been in the news for sexual harassment including deplorable stuff like 'slut shaming' and female students having formally complained about catcalling and other related behaviour from fellow batchmates in class. Even Legally India has covered it in the past. Even at NLSIU itself, similar investigations are under way. It is a bigger worry that is by no means institution specific, but a greater breakdown of social behaviour and championing of patriarchal mindset. Let people move on from NUJS to NLUD as much as they want. We are fine with the people who stay back and carve a career and future for themselves. Yes, we have a small campus and less than ideal infrastructure. No, it hasn't harmed our chances of learning law, what we are actually here to do. Plenty of seniors have done it before us and so are we. At NUJS, we as students are actually better prepared to take responsibility for our actions and hence for life, too.

Your claims about teachers trying to suborn students in their 'camps' is arrant nonsense, but then your institute itself has shown that it is not beyond lying when it comes to currying favour or popularity including ranking, so why should students from there think twice before doing the same either? And you are referring to politics? Have you met your VC lately? That man, regardless of the many good qualities he has, invented politics! There are several of your faculty members who attest to that fact in open forum. By all means, beat your own drum if it suits you (as if being a humanities student gives anyone an inherent advantage when it comes to law or even the standard of social science taught in law schools; newsflash, it doesn't).

But the only problem with NLUD that everyone outside knows is that it always shows an unhealthy tendency to try to drag other institutions down in order to establish its own 'doubtful' superiority. If you are so good, then go ahead and prove it! Your institution has been recently trolled not because of its achievements, but because it has submitted false data, did not retract it when caught and still refuses to apologise for it. As simple as that. Plus, it tries to make profit at the cost of inconveniencing thousands of students every year in Shylockian manner. If you have been so well-taught about law and justice by the stellar faculty members that you usually boast of, why aren't you or them protesting against that?

I have no problem in admitting NLUD is getting better slowly. The operative word being slowly. As for us at NUJS, I think we are doing fine with the students who wish to come here and who will come here this year. If you are that interested in taking CLAT rank X, and if that person wishes to go for NLUD, let him/her do so. We will take Rank X+1 or X+100 and by the time he/she graduates from here, he/she would be equal to if not better than any law graduate in the country. That's what an institution should boast about, not about which fresh out of school student getting 0.5 marks more in an exam chooses to do before knowing anything about legal education.

Kian is right. NUJS desperately needs to boost its reputation in the media, which will only cover placements if the data if certified. We are also in an age of transparency where one cannot hide anything. However, can Legally India do a story comparing all the law school placements and share it with the media?

Just a query. If faculty at NUJS don't do anything constructive at all, then is it your submission that all the graduates learn everything about law that helps them to secure internships and jobs all by themselves? And if so, is it not the same situation with all the NLUs? Because I for one have not seen any quality difference between students of, say, NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS and NLUD. So, assuming faculty at NUJS is zero and everywhere else it is stellar, then are NUJS students inherently better than all the other NLU grads so as to be equally good as them even with that handicap? I doubt that, somehow. It is just this piece of logic itself that should make it clear that NLUs overall have a faculty crisis and the ones at NUJS are fairly comparable to those at NLSIU etc. when it comes to teaching. Because if freshers are comparable (and some would say better at other NLUs named, owing to CLAT rank etc.) and graduates are comparable (as per recruiters, higher study choice etc.), then what exactly are the other ingredients contributing towards?
The only discernible difference at NUJS faculty seems to be the much worse faculty-student ratio, which is indeed much better at other NLUs. A part of that is because of funding, the rest because of administrative inefficiency. But otherwise, there are good people and bad people everywhere. I have been reading about this superiority of NLUD faculty everywhere for a long period of time. I have no doubt about that in terms of the research output they produce, actually. However, when it comes to teaching, are the students there getting all the possible benefits of that higher quality? If so, why aren't the graduates from there ostensibly better than the other NLUs? That's what makes me believe that while the faculty there undoubtedly improve the university profile in terms of research output and publications, when it comes to imparting the 'knowledge' to students, they are no more or less capable than the faculty at NLSIU, NALSAR or NUJS.

Don't disagree with you on any point there. Sounds reasonable to me. The one or two rarities who would fall within the 'good' category who have joined during Bhat's time have certainly done it despite him and not because of him, all being alumni. But don't say everyone who's left during his time are of the 'good' category. There's one person who'd a degree from NUS and is currently at [other law school], about whom I've heard horror stories from juniors. A mix of comic and horror story, actually. One person who left for [country] wasn't certainly any great shakes in terms of teaching or research while he was here at least. But yes, plenty of good people left, so what you said about ratio makes sense.

Typical sour grapes. Which way NUJS is going is visible from the achievements of the students, without there being little need of you passing unsolicited and uninformed judgement. Faculty issues are there in every law school, that's not going to change overnight till bright law graduates decide to come back to academics. If money is the only way to attract them, then maybe private law schools will do it. If research-compatible environment is what it takes, then maybe some of the state-sponsored institutes can do it too. NUJS is certainly not behind any NLU in terms of faculty (barring maybe NLUD and that too in terms of faculty research, not teaching) including NLSIU or NALSAR. So, the problem is not institutional, but a wider system-based approach to legal education in the entire country.