NLU Delhi has already placed 23 out of 78 students who will graduate LLB next year, including four foreign firm vacation schemes, with 10 of those jobs gained during the 24 March ‘Day Zero’ of recruitment at the law school.
Trilegal with two pre-placement offers (PPOs) and three day zero offers, was the leading recruiter among the seven firms which have already hired from the law school.
The others were Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas, AZB & Partners, Khaitan & Co, Luthra & Luthra, Talwar Thakore & Associates (TTA) and S&R Associates.
Out of these, Khaitan hired 4 (with an even split between PPO and Day Zero), while the very high-paying and competitive S&R Associates picked up a whopping three NLU Delhi candidates via PPO.
CAM | Trilegal | AZB | Khaitan | Luthra | TTA | S&R | Total | |
PPOs | 1 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 9 |
Day Zero | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 10 |
Total | 2 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 19 |
Herbert Smith and Linklaters each offered two vacation schemes. 15 total offers were made on Day Zero.
38 students from the batch graduating in 2019 are enrolled in recruitment activities out of which 28 appeared for the Day Zero. Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas and J Sagar Associates (JSA) were missing from the mix which has 4 fewer jobs than last year’s Day Zero, but the 9 PPOs almost made up for the lag.
SAM, which did visit campus on Day Zero and intended to make offers could not get those offers internally approved within the firm, within the day. Due to NLU Delhi’s RCC policy of declaring total offers together at the end of the day, so that students with more than one offers can select one, SAM’s offers could not be added to the total count, the RCC told us.
The RCC consists of Aayush Kashyap, Kritika Vidyarthi, Mahima Jain, Rohan Naik, Siddhant Sachdeva, Tanuj Dayal and Tishta Tandon.
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NIRF Rankings, LOL!
NUJS' calculation was based on the entire batch's average. Even then, their median should come to 15 lakhs+ given half their batch gets placed on Day Zero in the top 6 firms (with an average salary of 16-18 lakhs). Don't know which dumb person in their administration did their data entry.
Both NLU-D and NUJS are respected schools, and I doubt recruiters will care much between students of the two. It is up to students to distinguish themslves.
Are you honestly so insecure? Is your self worth so dependent on the rank of your college? If so, I think I pity you.
Congratulations are deserved where due -- even if NLU-D has merely improved upon its previous placements stats, and have been unable to match those of "better NLUs".
FYI: I am not from NLU-D; a student of GLC.
I regret skipping AILET. Well done NLUD.
And BTW there is no "Big 3" anymore. We now have an official government ranking putting NLUD at #2. Just because Kian Ganz says NLUD is #4 that does not make it true. With due respect, Kian Ganz may know about corporate law firms, but I do not think he knows about legal education.
Please do point out if I ever did opine on a ranking, and I'll be happy to clarify.
Also, NLS and NUJS already had 19+ jobs (PPOs) even before their Day Zero. I'm sure both these universities are going to ace the Day Zero as every year.
NLSIU may been the first NLU, but that is no guarantee it will be # 1 forever. People should remember: IIM Calcutta was the first IIM, IIT Kharagpur was the first IIT. Today they are not the first choice IIMs and IITs.
However, NLUD can decline if Ranbir Singh' successor is not good.
There is LI's narrative to downplay the achievements of GNLU kids and GNLU itself (read "close ties with CAM, Khaitan" and "out of 150ish"). Only about 80 students of the 2013-18 (not 150ish) batch registered for placements, out of which around 70 have been placed at reputable places (30 at tier 1 law firms, ahead of NALSAR, NLUD, NLIU, NLUJ, WBNUJS - kian doesn't want to emphasize this).
Doing exceptionally well at moots. Rhodes scholar, jessup india winners, henry dunant world winners, Vis hk octa finalists etc. 2 people going to Oxford, 2 to Cambridge for LLMs and many more. GNLU also has opened its account for offers from foriegn firms.
In summary, GNLU is way ahead of NLUJ and NLIU (do mention some facts and achievements in recent times to counter this), and is rapidly gaining on the other 4.
As it is, we'll have to take your word for it, as GNLU just press releases a fluffy doctored nonsense version, such as this: www.legallyindia.com/201409235087/Law-schools/gnlu-keeps-placement-statistics-secret
Adding to that alumni in United nations, judiciary and civil services. Only nlu to have research chairs from the biggest companies and law firms like CAM, KCo, Microsoft, ONGC etc
Acceptances/offers + PPOs
CAM 9/9 + 4
Trilegal 3/9 + 1
Khaitan 2/2
Luthra 2/3
SAM 0/0 + 1
S&R 0 + 1
AZB 0 + 1
Total offers: 23
Total jobs: 16
PPOs:8
Total Tier 1 firm placements: 24
(SAM to give its offers tomorrow)
I humbly request kian to not adopt a condescending narrative which belittles this achievement. Avoid “close ties” and “out of 150ish” please.
Congratulations class of 2019!
What do the others do? Let's see
1. Tier 2(induslaw, l&s, argus etc.) + corporate houses/ARCs (star, edelweiss etc.) will end up taking at least 35 more people, taking total placements in a batch to around 70.
2. Around 10 people will receive GLASS scholarship to pursue litigation in various courts. (This is GNLU's scholarship, about which not many people know, and you also don't emphasize it).
3. Around 8-10 people will go for LLMs in foreign universities. This time (2018 batch) 2 are going to Oxford (one of them is a Rhodes scholar), 2 to Cambridge, 2 to LSE, and some other foreign universities as well.
4. LAMP Fellows- this time 4, niti ayog-1. 5-10 go for competitive exams (upsc etc.).
5. Around 20 people are from the NRI quota - they pay Rs.9 lakh/year as GNLU fees. They don't need jobs, and usually, don't fall in any of the above categories.
6. Around 50 people are from the Gujju quota at GNLU. 30-35 do not fall under any of the above categories. Most of them go for litigation in Gujarat or join gujarat PSUs, including GSPL etc.
7. Remaining 20-25 people are the ones whose plans I'm not aware of. But I wish them the very best.
The point is that these "125 people" aren't looking for corporate jobs as such. So, for the purpose of comparing placements at corporate firms etc., you shouldn't worry too much about the batch size. Unfortunately, you end up using this number to downplay the achievements of GNLU kids and consequently imply that GNLU's ranking is lower than its brethren law schools.
Considering everything, GNLU is way ahead of NLUJ and NLIU.
Anyway, I think GNLU students for the most part are great and I have actually worked with quite a few of them, but the reason we emphasise the entire batch size in recruitment power rankings is in part the administration's shenenigans like these:
www.legallyindia.com/201409235087/Law-schools/gnlu-keeps-placement-statistics-secret
Just mentioning the top 10 or 20% of jobs, particularly in a large batch, is not a realistic picture for aspirants, and is clearly intended as deception by the admin, which is why our recruitment power ranking took account of the entire batch size.
www.legallyindia.com/201410315253/Law-schools/law-schools-recruitment-power-rankings-2013-14
And from the stats you describe, a student at NLS, NUJS or Nalsar still has better job prospects than the average GNLU student, right? Possibly NLIU and NLU-J are marginally better also, where a larger proportion get tier 1 and 2 jobs, though I don't remember the figures off hand.
But I don't think anyone is disputing that GNLU does pretty well in placements the mid-tier of NLUs (obviously also because students are smart plus, it needs to be said, GNLU has a locational advantage versus some of the more far-flung places, plus credit where it's due, the admin has also done a good job building close relationships with several major law firms).
1. I think GNLU used to come out with detailed records until a few years back. www.gnlu.ac.in/nirf-formats/Placement_2015-16.pdf
Do note that the 2009-14 batch had 110 students or so (not sure though).
2. As regards to NLUs like NLS, NALSAR, NUJS - we still have some catching up to do. More to do with number of years since establishment, alumni base etc.
3. As regards NLUD - in my opinion, we are at par with them. They have an obvious locational advantage. GNLU is ahead in terms of placements, achievements as well as moots.
2017 day zero - GNLU (30 jobs) v. NLUD (20 jobs)
2018 day zero - GNLU (24 jobs) v. NLUD (19 jobs)
So essentially, an academically bright student has more scope to secure a tier 1 job at GNLU than at NLUD. This in itself is enough for a prospective student, for the purpose of tier 1 job opportunities.
4. As regards NLUJ & NLIU - GNLU is definitely ahead. This point is not stressed enough. No question of these two being "marginally better" than GNLU. No locational advantage as well.
2017 day zero - GNLU (30 jobs) v. NLIU (19 jobs) v. NLUJ (17 jobs)
I don't understand why you give so much emphasis to proportion. Important thing is that if one is competent and academically bright at GNLU, he/she is sure to land a tier 1 job. (If you are in top 15 of your batch, there is a 90% probability that CAM will recruit you.)
Also note that batch size of NLUJ is also going up to 125 students from next year, with the introduction of state quota. timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/national-law-university-jodhpur-admission-2018-25-seats-to-be-reserved-for-rajasthan-domicile-students/articleshow/63186655.cms
5. Moots - GNLU is much better than NLUJ and NLIU: www.legallyindia.com/home/it-s-official-gnlu-beats-nalsar-nls-nujs-to-win-mpl-7-after-rocking-elsa-moot-and-season-20170823-8725
This year also, when you'll add up all moots and update MPL table, GNLU will likely be in top 3.
6. Law firms are also starting to recognize the fact that GNLU is better than (or at least at par with) NLUJ & NLIU. Luthra for instance, which traditionally hasn't recruited GNLUites and paid the ones they recruited less than the other 5 NLUs, has brought the pay scale at par with other law schools from this year on. AZB, S&R have also started recruiting steadily from GNLU. Additionally, number of offers are higher, as mentioned in point 4.
7. In the next 2-3 years, GNLU alumni will attain partnership at multiple tier 1 firms. Then we can expect even more placements. For example, Maneta Doshi, Partner at CAM and GNLU alumni comes to recruit people here, and the number of CAM offers are higher than other firms. (I understand that this is not the only factor for the higher number of recruits, but certainly helps - similar to NLUJ partners preferring NLUJ grads at Luthra).
8. The administration, despite all its perceived evils and inefficiencies, does the job of maintaining good relations in high places. (Urijit Patel lecture, Banking conference that had Rajiv Kumar (Niti ayog), Shaktikanta Das (retd senior IAS - modi man) and few other important people. All these people coming down to a place like Gandhinagar. CAM and Khaitan have established chairs in the university. The director is a member of law commission and also the national security advisory board - Which other nlu vc/director have such sort of power and reach? Seems to have the support of the prime minister.
9. GNLU seems to be on a very positive growth trajectory, en route to catch up with the big 3, is at par with NLUD & is way ahead of NLUJ and NLIU.
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While they might be doing well in the field of research, they are miles behind the original top 3.
I must clear the air around NIRF and all the caustic comments that are being circulated amongst law school students. It is the students who make an institution and not vice versa.
I am an alumni of National Law University Delhi but I see the debate pointless on how NIRF rankings are solely dependent on corporate placements.
There are so many individuals who opt for other areas such as academia and litigation out of their own conscious and wilful choice and therefore it may not be right to blame the ranking system or why only 19 were placed. The batch size is very different from the placement batch.
I do agree with the locational advantage that NLU D has or one reason why NLUD may not churn out as many corporate law placements on day Zero is primarily because of the alumni base which is yet to make it's place in the decision making chairs. With only 5 batches out, it is a bit too much to expect from a relatively younger institution.
But no amount of chest thumping will do anybody any good. From my experience in litigation, once you have your degree, it doesn't really matter what institution you have come from, what really matters is how you will conduct yourself once you are out there. This is the secret to both advocacy and life.
Congratulations to everybody who has been placed. Super proud of you.
Yes, NLU D has a locational advantage.
But I'm sure not a single recruiter is going to give a crap about the whole VC business that's been going down (other than maybe giving them a few extra points for initiative).
At the end of the day, NUJS kids were still in the top 200 or so out of 40,000+ who sat the CLAT, and that's what law firms want. Plus they've been doing internships left, right and centre with all the big law firms, just like all the other top law schools...
All the decent colleges once affilliated to MU are now autonomous or deemed universities, like ICT, VJTI, Xavier's, Mithibai, HR etc...
Over the years, in my opinion, that is where NLUD will be able to stretch ahead. That said, given the centrality of the VC in these institutions, what becomes post RS will determine the future in large part.
Real research and involvement of students only happens at NLUD and a bit at NLSIU. Thats pretty important for those wanting a real law school environment and more and more good kids will take AILET and go NLUD skipping NLUJ and NUJS which are frankly simply not upto par except some CAM/SAM type placements which will be severely tested in the coming years.
NALSAR needs to be worried as it is not really going ahead, just staying in place which wont work if NLUD continues growing in this manner.
Die hard bhakts of NUJS can simply check for names getting into both AILET and CLAT NUJS this year and see how many choose NUJS over NLU Delhi. My prediction is that very few if at all will (and there is no real reason to choose NUJS over NLU Delhi in this day and age).
While the current vice-chancrllor has "supported" a number of acaedmic reforms and has largely been student friendly (with a number of notable exceptions including the CCTV episode), he has also been responsible for the introducution/failure to address the systemic ills plaguing NALSAR including the following:
The failure to hire the required number of new facutly and actively
encourage extra curricular activities; the lack of requisite infrastructure to support the increase in the batch size of the students, the arbitrary increase in academic fees (making NALSAR one of the most exprnsive if not the most expensive national law school); letting the campus out for the filming of movies in the midst of the academic calendar, the lack of funds invested in upgrading the library.
Most worringly, the students have not always been taken on board in relation to a number of key policy decisions. The decision to renew the term of the current Vice-chancellor without obtaining the feedback from students at large is a case at point (this is not to suggest that the students would have opposed his renewal tooth and nail - they may not have. The fact however remains that their feedback was not actively sought)
It is high time that remedical measures are taken by the administration to address these ills plaguing NALSAR.
1. People are giving their own rubbish rankings which are lies and mislead students. We are also yet to see claims verified about which NLU has the most alumni teaching.
2. Coaching centres are citing various rankings saying Legally India did it. There has also been a lot of confusion about your recruitment ranking.
3. NIRF is the official government ranking and you also have India Today (however faulty but still a recognised ranking). So why should people give their own ranking?
Please understand that many CLAT aspirants are students from humble backgrounds who do not know people who can guide them, so they see fake news and believe it.
1. Agree, though I wouldn't go so far as to say they are lies. The problem is that university rankings is a very subjective game in India, so is there really very much to tell Nalsar, NUJS or NLS (or NLU D for that matter) apart, on a practical level?
They're all good, it doesn't really matter where you go. If you work hard and have the aptitude, which the admissions test more or less ensure, you can probably get a good job.
2. Does anyone have pictures of such coaching centre materials? I have never actually seen one that cites LI, citing an India Today or other ranking. If that is happening, it is a problem. In fact, I've not seen much coaching centre literature at all. What do they recommend beyond the CLAT order? Also on a ranking of non-NLU alternatives, presumably? What are the rankings they use there? I think more than any LI articles, it is those coaching centres themselves that make a decision on which order to promote.
3. Some debate helps, even when posting bogus rankings. It is someone's apparently held opinion, and someone else will disagree with it and offer some counter-arguments, perhaps. All that is information that aspirants don't necessarily have access to, and can help inform the decisions made.
1. Like a supervisor or senior with a fake degree. The one who has no knowledge of law. Give examples......
2. The office politics. Give examples......
3. The office affairs which bring discomfort to others. Give examples.....
4. The promotion politics. Give examples......
5. The various approaches and strategies of all law firms and companies. Give examples.....
6. Sexual harassment culture in offices. Give examples......
Such kind of research will get you lot of views
Love from HNLU
They love to take interns and exploit them. So don't waste your time at P&A.
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