NLU Delhi puts out JD for new VC (and you don’t need to have been Prof for a decade to apply)

As we had first reported late last month, NLU Delhi had begun looking for a new vice chancellor (VC), in what will no doubt be one of the most hotly-contested jobs in the field.

The two academics and one judge heading up the search committee - NLU Jabalpur VC Prof Balraj Chauhan, NLIU Bhopal VC Prof V Vijaykumar and Delhi high court Justice GS Sistani - have now posted the job description (JD) on the NLU Delhi website.

In what will be welcome news for those hoping that NLU Delhi can attract the widest possible range of candidates, the job will not necessarily require 10 years of professorship experience from applicants, unlike NLSIU Bangalore’s recent JD had stipulated, which had excluded a lot of promising young academics.

In fact, NLU Delhi’s key language is near-identical to that in the recent TNNLU Tiruchirappalli call for a new VC we had reported.

NLU Delhi’s requirements (emphasis added):

Vice Chancellor to be a person possessing the highest level of competence, integrity, morals and institutional commitment is to be appointed as Vice-Chancellor. The person to be appointed as a Vice-Chancellor should be a distinguished academician, with a minimum of ten years of experience as Professor in a University or ten years of experience in a reputed research and / or academic administrative organisation with proof of having demonstrated academic leadership.

TNNLU had stipulated “ten years’ of experience in a reputed research and/or academic administrative organization with proof of having demonstrated academic leadership”.

(Eagle eyed readers may spot that NLU Delhi preferred using British English spelling rather than US English, and removed a well-intentioned but incorrectly-used apostrophe.)

The NLU Delhi Act, incidentally, does not spell out any explicit experience requirement, other than being an “academic person and an outstanding scholar in law or an eminent jurist”.

The financial rewards for what is currently still Prof Ranbir Singh’s job (potentially up until September 2020) will be Rs 2.1 lakh per month base salary, plus additional allowances of around Rs 38,000.

Plus a swish house on campus in Dwarka, of course.

The other perks, such as getting to connect with a who’s who of eminent Delhi advocates and judges, are harder to enumerate.

Notification copy below, and links to original PDF documents:

NLU Delhi new VC search notification
NLU Delhi new VC search notification

Comments

RIP NUJS 11 Oct 2019, 16:25
+6 -6
Hope floats! Kudos to NLUD students and back channel folks. Good beginning.

While change cometh at Dwarka, its is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrvSJwwJUE at NUJS.

When we meet NKC, AG and Co soon, we will croon this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFkHP-Sh56E
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 06:25
+2 -1
Kian, why isn't my reply to this troll not been published? Or are you encouraging NUJS bashing in all posts on LI these days as a matter of policy?
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:27
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Brilliant news! Get ready for the second NLU alum to head an NLU, who will get more support from colleagues and the govt than Sudhir Krishnaswamy can ever hope for. NIRF # 1 slot, here we come!
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:41
+2 -0
Are you talking about Mrinal? Has he shown interest?
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 17:36
+2 -0
No, he is not interested it seems.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:38
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NLUD students should submit a petition proposing 20 names in order of preference. Here are 15 suggested names in order of preference:

1. Mrinal S, NLUD
2. Tarunabh K, Oxford
3. Lavanya R, Oxford
4. V Umakanth, NUS
5. Arun T, Azim Premji
6. Nigam N, BML Munjal
7. Prabha K, King's College
8. Srividhya R, Texas
9. Neha Jain, EUI
10. Surya Deva, Hong Kong
11. VK Unni, IIM Calcutta
12. Anurag A, IIM Ahmedabad
13. VC Vivekanandan, HNLU
14. Shubhankar D, Porstmouth
15. Bharat Desai, JNU
lol 12 Oct 2019, 10:52
+2 -0
Lavanya, khaitan and umakant said they're not interested in coming back to apply for NLS vc, despite the opportunity, considering their personal and existing commitments. Like they'll come back for NLUD , lol.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 11:13
+0 -0
Given the state of Indian NLUs, only die hard idealists can be expected to give up a promising foreign career and return for those. It's better to focus on the few capable academics who are already in India in some capacity, including law school alum.
NLS Alum 15 Oct 2019, 03:58
+2 -0
Tarunabh, Shubhankar and Neha are way too junior for the position, even if there is no express requirement for minimum time in professorship. Pretty much every other applicant will be more senior to them on objective criteria. Lavanya and Umakanth aren't moving back to India any time soon, and Nigam hasn't even fully unpacked in his new job. The strongest and likeliest candidate other than Mrinal is clearly Arun KT, and would be a great choice in any case.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:14
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Who the hell are you to call top academicians "junior"? Watch your attitude.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:59
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He isn't calling them junior, he's calling them too junior to hold a particular administrative position. There's a difference. Watch your grammar.
NLS Alum 15 Oct 2019, 09:13
+3 -0
Didn't realise that one could go from being lecturer to top academician by virtue of a couple of LI comments. Top work all around indeed.
KINGSINGH 18 Oct 2019, 03:49
+2 -0
This 15 member list is absurd, if Prof Satish agrees it should be straight offered to him, none of the others will leave their foreign jobs and come to India the only ray of hope is in the case of Prof Deva who may come down because of family (may be also the current unrest) , who are these IIM characters have they got anything to do with law, just because you teach some elementary law to management students can they be considered for this position? what is their research? it seems absolutely no answers, VcV may be a good choice but has just taken charge in HNLU same with Nigam just taken charge in BML recently One this is very clear the best choice is PSJ if not someone who is holding a current administrative position in NLUD who nows the pulse of NLUD should be given that position, from this this only Prof Satish and Prof Vivekananda should be onsidered
Guest 18 Oct 2019, 04:53
+1 -1
Let's give it to Atishi Marlena. The infra issue would be sorted out for good. She is handling Delhi schools well, why not Delhi law schools? :D
Guest 18 Oct 2019, 14:26
+0 -0
Fully agree.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:41
+3 -0
Last month, the Rajasthan HC upheld the appointment of Poonam Saxena as NLUJ VC despite falling short of the 10 year rule, one group that the rule is flexible. This precedent must be cited by NLUD students to argue in favour of an NLU alum VC.

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/2048916/
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:42
+3 -0
Very good decision by the search committee. Almost certainly influenced by the Sudhir appointment and by a the need for NLUD to have a similar young, globally experienced VC.
illegal 12 Oct 2019, 00:47
+4 -0
Strange that people are appreciating NLUD JD. This is exactly the same as per new UGC qualifications for the post of Vice-Chancellor.Search Committee has not diluted qualification.No Search Committee has this power. UGC Qualifications are adopted by the university EC.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:49
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Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:53
+1 -1
This means Jaswal and SKD will lose if star alums apply. JGLS was trying to poach some NLUD profs, but they will now stay put.
Big daddy 12 Oct 2019, 10:08
+1 -0
Do they have good paper publication equivalent to asst. Prof of any good foreign university.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 16:58
+6 -6
It seems LI is now lobbying for VCs like corporate media lobbies for ministers. Moles at NLSIU were feeding LI with strategic leaks, same is happening here.
king mole 13 Oct 2019, 04:13
+1 -0
NLUD needs a SiDSee.
Good Luck 11 Oct 2019, 17:00
+2 -1
As a Law Schoolite, I wish you guys the best of luck. More NLUs need young, smart, world-class academics. But don't count your chickens too soon. [...] is a real old school stickler, with a tremendous ego to boot. He hated the Law School alumni, and young people generally. He also held a massive grudge at getting cut out of the NLS VC game (multiple times, first by RVR and then by the MP Singh-Sudhir issue). I would be surprised if he went overboard to help out a maverick young chap, rather than some ageing journeyman like himself.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 17:26
+1 -0
But the difference is that Sudhir's appointment has set a precedent and the students know how to play the game: circulate a petition on Legally India demanding a VC who is an NLU alum and has global experience, then get alumni to write a letter in support, then meet with Justice Sistani and make a representation, then stage a protest.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 17:05
+1 -0
Come on NLUD, get a better VC than Sudhir and topple NLSIU from the NIRF top slot! All NLUs will cheer you on!
Big daddy 12 Oct 2019, 10:11
+1 -0
NLS have good alumni base but whether thay are able to recruit good teachers before recruitment of a good VC.. N if VC is of such standards, is going to make any change to lobby system of recruitment happens to be in NLS faculty recruitment.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 17:11
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Guest 11 Oct 2019, 17:13
+2 -0
No age limit specified. Rao will apply.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 17:14
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Wouldn't know how these lists keep getting made and circulated. Green shoots (non-TMC variety despite the moniker) at NLS, HNLU and NLUD notwithstanding, I seriously doubt the NLS alums teaching abroad will return to take full-time positions in NLUs. Applies equally for other NLU alums (mostly NALSAR and NUJS) as well, especially those who have attained senior academic status in their universities abroad.

Prof Sridhar A should be a good bet (check with NALSAR folks) as also Arun T (ex-NLS, APU). There are some NLS alums who have recently returned to India and teaching in Ashoka and other pvt institutions. They do not have min. 10 years of "professorial" experience but they have solid academic/work ex. Whether they will be considered is anybody's guess.

The fact that both NLUD and TNNLS job descriptions for VC have expressed a degree of disdain for the 10-yr rule makes all of us hopeful that the old guard have lost their veto. However, this doesn't mean home run for the Young Turks.

SKDR and the Jaswals have successfully survived recent scares. After the setback in NLS, the old guard will make strong efforts to have their "own" in as many NLUs as possible, including NLUD.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 17:19
+1 -1
Stop talking rot! Many good people will apply, including NLSIU alums teaching abroad. The oldies have no chance.
yo 12 Oct 2019, 01:51
+2 -0
Dude, I hope you're right. But I don't think so. Many of these proposed names expressed their disinterest when they were approached earlier for law school. Only because they didn't want to disrupt their lives/careers abroad.
Rajesh K. 12 Oct 2019, 16:35
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Prof. Madhava Menon, Prof. M. P. Singh, Prof. A. K. Kaul, Prof. Ranbir Singh, Prof. V. Vijayakumar, Prof. Balraj Chauhan are from traditional universities and all were oldies when appointed as VCs. The young alumni versus oldies is a debate carried on by the vested interests. That VC is the best who governs the best. However, it is the faculty who make a law university good or bad. It is not good to give undue importance to VCs.
NLS Alumnus 11 Oct 2019, 19:42
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All this talk of getting diaspora candidates to apply for the NLU Delhi VC position might not fetch any results. Similar efforts were made by the NLSIU Alumni Association. None of the NLSIU Alumni who are teaching abroad and met the eligibility requirements chose to apply when the NLSIU Bangalore VC position was eventually advertised in April 2019. If I were a current faculty member/alumnus/student at NLU Delhi, I would be organising a mini-delegation to reach out to Arun Kumar Thiruvengadam, who is presently a Professor at Azim Premji University, Bangalore. The right-thinking members of the NLU Delhi community need to identify one internationally credible name such as AKT and mobilise around it. Both the preferred candidates ([....] and [..]) are simply not equipped to lead an autonomous law school over the next decade. All they know is how to kowtow to Ministers and Judges while ignoring the genuine concerns of their students and junior colleagues. Legal Education in India needs several strong law schools, which both compete and collaborate with each other.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 21:22
+2 -0
I agree with #14 that alumni based abroad won't return, so Arun is the best choice. Nigam also. A possible dark horse candidate can be Shubhankar Dam, who may be interested to return to India.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 11:23
+1 -0
... Because he is at Portsmouth and you haven't heard anything that University? Any British University pays the minimum of grade 7 for an entry level academic. That is about to 50000 pounds or a little less than 45 lakh rupees. A VC doesn't make anything near that (more than 25% less after putting in all benefits). Add to this standard of life and uprooting of family. No tell why would anyone be interested?
public service? 13 Oct 2019, 04:17
+1 -1
Because some of them at least might actually believe the stuff about the emancipatory and reformatory power of the law, and what quality legal education can achieve in a country like India? It's hilarious when these academics sing for their supper flogging Indian legal study, but abroad in the comfort of a higher standard of living? At least Sudhir, Arun etc have the courage of their convictions and give up easy convenient jobs abroad to actually practice what they preach.
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 08:12
+1 -0
This is the reason I respect law school alumni staying back to teach more compared to those who have gone abroad. The latter may have the ability, but they lack the idealism for sure. They would keep criticising the state of Indian legal education, but won't do much to change it for the better. Otherwise imagine the number of good young faculty we could have had, with the top NLUs producing 500-600 grads every year.
NLS Alum 15 Oct 2019, 04:01
+0 -0
Or just maybe there is freedom of speech, expression and curriculum, in a world-renowned university, which does not exist in India...
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 05:23
+1 -0
Which comes to the same thing. They are giving up on the country and shifting to somewhere else because it better suits their purpose. In that case, they loses the moral high ground to criticise from outside when they did not try to contribute towards changing it for the better.
NLS Alum 15 Oct 2019, 09:09
+0 -0
And hence proving their decision to move outside India. If they stayed on, they would have to seek the approval of every grammar-illiterate keyboard warrior on any sentiment they sought to express.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 09:57
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Nobody is asking why they left. That's their choice. It's just that they can't be expected to come back at this juncture or anytime soon, nor is there any reason to consider them superior to those who chose to stay back. People who try to solve a problem are usually preferable over people who run away from it, at least to those who suffer from that problem.
Guest1 15 Oct 2019, 11:18
+1 -0
It is strange how quick the internet comments board is to judge someone. Maybe they stayed abroad because of any number of reasons - they had loans to repay, they had family there, they had the freedom to be gay/ the ability to speak their truth in their research. And yes sometimes it’s also a purely materialistic move and social climbing. But it’s their career right ?
These folks did not need to write about India - there is a lot of pressure for Indians abroad to just write about the country they are in. Even comparative work has limited value in some very top universities. That these folks still chose to write about India could betray some kind of love of country also.

Yes it is excellent that those who came back came back - and yes they should be examples to all of us. But why are you allowed to judge those in academe who chose to stay abroad, and not the hundreds of students from NLUs everywhere who do not even consider academia in favour of high paying Corp jobs ? Why are we expecting idealism and service mindedness from the one group only? They do enough being in academia I think - we should let them be.

And if they criticise indian academia - maybe respond to criticism and improve things - rather than dissolve into ad hominem insults. They could be criticising out of love.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 11:52
+0 -0
Improve things how? Most of the criticism is based on problems that fester and thrive because sufficient number of good young people don't contribute to the country's education sector after having studied here. Once again, as you yourself said, nobody is blaming these people for the choices that they have made, but saying that others should do better while they themselves won't contribute or lead by example is certainly one of the problems. If you as an academic can't or won't do something yourself, what right do you have expecting others similarly placed to do any better?
Guest1 15 Oct 2019, 12:32
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Most of the problems with academia in India have to do with archaic institutional structures that lead to few freedoms for academics and little support if any. It is not because no good people want to come back. You improve these things by moving the political needle on funding and various other problems and by having a union for students and teachers that can collectively bargain for better infrastructure.

It is so odd to me that so many NLU students are so privileged and have parents and friends who serve at all levels of government and yet do so little to give back to the institution. Even those who aren’t privileged hardly consider giving up short term interests to organise and protest and ask for a better education. JNU is so good in terms of academics and faculty only because it’s students would have protested if they weren’t, and they protest for the rights of their professors.

And ofcourse you can criticise while not being a part of the institution. Often the best criticism comes from those who aren’t part of the thing. Criticism is not all about tearing someone down- it can also be about helping to make something you love better. Nobody is obligated to suffer and sacrifice personal goals and accomplishments just so they can point out that this system is broken.

You want better academics? Treat the ones you have better. Demand that teachers get paid fairly for all they do. Protect them from being bullied and yes- jailed for their opinions or identity.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 13:43
+0 -0
We can keep debating this issue. I agree with some of the points that you have made, but would like to differ on the point that if more and more good people keep joining the existing system, that won't make any difference. In my opinion, it would. NLUs are actually such an example. Whatever little improvement they have made over traditional law universities is not because of any radical institutional change, but mostly due to the efforts and mindset of a few good people in the past and present. In fact, most of the suggestions you've made can also be implemented only if good people are there within. It cannot be practically solved entirely from without. As for outsiders critiquing, sure it's useful, if only they are identifying problems that are new or giving solutions. But if you keep offering solutions that would require your contemporaries to do something you yourself couldn't or wouldn't do, then I doubt those solutions would ever be considered in good faith over a long period of time.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 21:00
+1 -1
Other law schools/traditional universities need to take a leaf out of NLUD’s book if they don’t want to be inundated by fossilised mediocrity.
Jiowala 11 Oct 2019, 21:23
+2 -0
Buddies of a current vc who always sit with him in job interviews are there in the panel. He will become the vc, cmon you all know who it will be. It perhaps will be his 3rd vcship.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 02:58
+3 -0
Why are people celebrating this advertisement? This is standard fare which comes from the ugc rules and means that within the university system you need to be a professor for 10 years, or have 10 years experience in a research/academic administrative setup - like police academy, lbsnaa, judicial academy, bprnd, etc. This doesn't mean that anyone with 10 years as an assistant professor can suddenly become a VC. And look at the composition of the selection committee. If you think this committee is going to make a radical reinterpretation of the rules, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 04:24
+1 -1
Manoj Sinha of ILI is likely to apply.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 04:37
+7 -11
Professor Paramjit Jaswal will be an excellent VC. He fulfils every requirement in the advertisement. Some people try to spread negativity without knowing true facts. Apart from being a top scholar Sir has genuinely cares for students. Both Sir and Nishtha Mam are very broad minded. Bear in mind that Punjabis are known for being a fun loving people who are modern and liberal and not like orthodox people from other parts of India. Please be fair to people and give them a chance
Guest1 12 Oct 2019, 08:00
+3 -1
But almost none of that is true!

1 it wasn’t a stray incident- it was the only incident reported in which a university committee found him guilty. There could be others out there, and if you are to believe the very public statements made by one human rights activist who spent a lot of time at ALF- this was a pattern with Liang.

2 liang is neither a towering intellectual nor sudhirs equivalent really , he only recently received his PhD - compared to Krishnaswamy, and as much as he was the darling of the media- has little serious academic work to his name. By this I mean peer reviewed journal articles.

3- he certainly did not pioneer copy left- knowing any history of copy left would show that the concept was invented in the 1980s-when liang was still in school.

4- even if one were to accede that liang had some presence among the access to knowledge community in India, he’d fall well behind folks like Shamnad, Pranesh Prakash, and even Sunil Abhraham- just of the top of my head.

5 liang isn’t the only one to get the Infosys prize - shamnad got it too, as have other academics in the law and social sciences space- including AR Vasavi, Ayesha Kidwai,Nandini Sundar, Amita Baviskara, and PBM. - they aren’t lawyers- but they are in the same law and society space as liang was in. Besides - having just this one prize be some kind of qualifier would not make sense - there are many prizes out there that a lot of people win every year.

6- liang allegedly abused interns while he was working at ALF. So much for that counting amongst his merits. But it is also worth questioning how much of the work at ALF was done by liang- oral histories of how the organisation was founded place the Narain brothers at the moment of founding - and a few others from that NLS batch - but not liang.

7- exactly what great work as the dean at Ambedkar? Cause I haven’t read anything good coming out of there for a while, nor have I students flocking there or emerging from there as good academics.

8- I wonder if these folks would consider themselves “sishyas” as for Liangs mentoring - well he allegedly abused his power to hit on students so, that doesn’t hold much water. It might also be worth considering if Lawrence sought out and nurtured any talent on his own - or if ambitious students simply sought him out as a status marker.

8- this is not to say Lawrence didn’t do anything good in life . I enjoyed his theatrical classroom exertions on law and popular culture as much as the next person. But to be put in a position of power over students again- many who only a few years ago came forward bravely to talk about their sexual assaults- he would have to be pretty exceptional no? is he really so exceptional? such a once-in-a-blue-moon genius that we should overlook codes of basic human decency with regard to how one treats vulnerable students - or whether one believes victims of trauma?
Is Lawrence liang in short - the reincarnation of the lord or of Gandhi or manu or Macaulay? If he is then maybe we can start talking about trying to rehabilitate him. - hell we shouldn’t even do that for manu or Macaulay or Gandhi or the lord.

So please- take that weak apologist ish elsewhere. This redefining of merit to only include the privileged is transparent and old hat.
Infra 12 Oct 2019, 10:03
+4 -1
Calm down RGNUL faculty member... Even we want Jaswal for ourselves. He needs to bless the student body.

Besides we're not petty enough to let NLUD ruin itself just to get rid of your beloved.

-RGNULite
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 05:00
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It is sad that the name of Lawrence Liang is left out in discussions of potential VCs because of a stray incident which is sub judice. He is a towering intellectual and probably the most influential academic from all the alumni of NLSIU, more than Sudhir Krishnaswamy. He has pioneered the theory of copy left and was awarded the Infosys Prize for it. He is the only legal scholar to win the prize for academic contribution (Shamnad Basheer won it for IDIA, not academics).

In terms of administrative capability he founded and managed India's top legal NGO from scratch (Alternative Legal Forum) and did great work as Dean of the law programme at Ambedkar University. Furthermore, he has mentored many people at ALF who have gone on to become successful scholars. Among his former shishyas are Danish Haque and Prashant Iyengar (NALSAR toppers who taught at Jindal) and Vishwas Devaiah (who taught at NUJS and Jindal).

I thus urge my friends at NLUD to consider Lawrence Liang's name if they are proposing names to Justice Sistani.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 06:30
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Sexual harassers aren't welcome anywhere, regardless of their qualification. As for his 'stellar' turn as Dean of Ambedkar's law department, sorry. Haven't heard of any achievement from students graduating from there. His 'influence' isn't as much as acolytes like you think it to be.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 09:12
+1 -0
My money is on Professor Surya Deva from City University Hong Kong returning to India and heading NLUD. He is also the son in law of Professor MP Singh, so I guess he will have family links in Delhi.
Intervenor 12 Oct 2019, 09:44
+4 -0
Comment 19.1 is right. Liang's bio shows lots of newspaper and web articles, but only one article in a respected law journal (NLSIU IJLT) and a forthcoming article in the NUJS law review, which seems to be the text of a lecture he gave there. His PhD is also recent.
https://slgc.aud.ac.in/school-faculty/prof-lawrence-liang

On the plus side, it is good that AUD was flexible enough to waive seniority and make someone in their early 40s and a recent PhD graduate Professor and Dean. NLUs should also do the same. However, on the minus side, it is strange why a person with few academic publications is held in such high esteem and acclaimed as a top scholar. In fact, even Sudhir K's bio shows just ONE journal article (EPW) and the rest newspaper and web articles (including one for Legally India).

http://azimpremjiuniversity.edu.in/SitePages/sudhir-krishnaswamy.aspx
https://www.legallyindia.com/201401204257/Constitutional-law/koushal-v-naz-review-or-reference

The same is also true for Faizan Mustafa. Karan Thapar recently called him one of India's top constitutional law jurists, but he mainly writes for newspapers and websites.

I think discussions over NLU VCship should focus on this. What does the word "jurist" in the NLUD ad mean? Can you be a jurist on the basis of newspaper and web articles, or are academic publications needed? Do we give too much importance to media savvy people? Do NLSIU alumni get fellowships and professorships abroad on the strength of connections rather than academic work? Does even Kian Ganz believe that an article on Legally India deserves the same weightage as an article in a journal?
Guest1 12 Oct 2019, 16:37
+1 -0
Sudhir isn’t quite that bad if you go by his CV here, sure it still isn’t the kind of publication cv you would see with foreign professors, but it is much better than most people in indian academia.

https://watson.brown.edu/southasia/files/southasia/imce/people/Faculty/VisitingScholars/KrishnaswamyCVJune2017.pdf
Guest1 12 Oct 2019, 17:23
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If you go by his work on his own website- Sudhir has about 17-20 ( depending on how you count it) peer reviewed articles. And a couple of books published by OUP
https://www.sudhirkrishnaswamy.com/articles/

The only person with a comparable publication CV in indian academia might be Arun Thiruvengadam
https://azimpremjiuniversity.edu.in/SitePages/arun-k-thiruvengadam.aspx

Ofcourse ideally one chooses quality over quantity - but as far as baseline expectations about one being an academic who researches and writes and publishes and is generally engaged within the academe is concerned- this works as a rudimentary measure.
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 08:15
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People like Prabhash Ranjan have a much more impressive publication record. There are several others too much younger than Sudhir who match and better his record in terms of publications, actually.
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 08:36
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You are right. Unfortunately, an NLSIU background always means more hype. You only have to look at articles by their media fanboys like LI.
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 09:38
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Prabhash actually happens to be THE authority in International Investment Law in India at present.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 17:29
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He doesn't have a single publication in any foreign law journal even as per this CV, though he's got a book and couple of book chapters with OUP and Bloomsbury. Sorry to say, but I've seen many Indian academics with more impressive publication list. No reflection on Sudhir as a researcher, I personally find him pretty good. Goes on to show foreign publications shouldn't be the only hallmark of research scholarship.
Guest1 12 Oct 2019, 18:03
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Ya - but he does have work in peer reviewed journals - foreign journals are tricky business and I wouldn’t judge anyone by that.

If you’re working on India you’re more likely to find an audience among indian journals.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 08:14
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Not quite true. For example, see Prabhakar Singh. He is an associate professor at JGLS but has mostly foreign publications in journals that are considered of "A+" category even in Europe, i.e. it is difficult to publish there even for European researchers. A specific case in point here is the Leiden Journal of International Law, where it is difficult even for professors from the Netherlands to get published.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=nl&user=fIhuldYAAAAJ

I am sure there will be many more, not even counting people like BS Chimni. This associate professor washes all your arguments that Indian people only find an Indian audience.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 08:53
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It's not about Indian people, it's about whether your research area is India-specific or has international dimensions. Obviously someone who's working on international law would have a wider audience, be it Chimni or Prabhakar. How many foreign journals would publish any article that entirely deals with Indian company law or family law etc, no matter how good quality research it contains? They need a comparative perspective at the very least.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 10:05
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In such a kind of open ended JD, backdoor entry guys have more chances to get uplifted.
As the discretion of selection committee shall be final as it deems fit.
Why not these advertisements have at least some minimum eligibility criteria.
There are examples of nlu's where VC was selected in same way but didn't had even basic LLB degree.
Sham ppls can justify such recruitment by anyhow means.
But it mockery of legal education system in India.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 10:17
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Bar & Bench has just interviewed Sudhir. But the LI interview was better and asked more challenging question. B&B just asks safe, suck-up questions in all their interviews.

https://barandbench.com/my-first-priority-is-to-rebuild-the-community-nlsiu-vice-chancellor-prof-sudhir-krishnaswamy-part-i/
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 11:36
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It is true that NLUD students are considering a petition like the NLSIU SBA and do not want an old-fashioned candidate like Jaswal. However, Jaswal has more admin experience than any NLSIU alumni, while his CV claims 35 books and 70 journal articles/book chapters.

Thus, the key will be to convince the judge that quality is more important than quantity. Three issues will be key:

1. Can the search committee institute a rule giving preference to LLB/LLM/PhD holders of NLUs, or the top 200 universities in the QS rankings?

2. If a person's VCship at an NLU has faced protests and adverse student reports, can that disqualify a person?

3. Jaswal's CV does not list the actual journals and book chapters, but many are likely to be obscure Indian journals and publishing houses. Can the search committee draw up regulations to only include journals indexed in SCOPUS (which includes EPW and JILI), Washington & Lee (which includes law reviews of many NLUs) and Hein Online? Similarly, can only publications by the following count: OUP, CUP, Hart, Bloomsbury, Routledge, Sage etc, instead of ICFAI, Allahabad Law Agency etc? Alternatively, can there be a tiered points system?

https://rgnul.ac.in/Resume/27cf20c7-d72f-4f84-92d0-245c00228927.pdf
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 12:15
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Barring possibly the second, none of the other points is even theoretically possible to be formally made a part of the search committee mandate. The members can of course accord more weightage informally to those issues, but seeing the names, I doubt it somehow.
Suresh SK 13 Oct 2019, 02:18
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Point number 2 brings in the ridiculous subjectivity in the selection process. The students protests are usually engineered by disgruntled faculty. Rarely a faculty shows guts to come in open to do that-- like a faculty challenged HNLU VC's appointment in 2017.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 14:26
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JILI isn't SCOPUS indexed. EPW and JIPR are.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 17:51
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JILI in indexed is JSTOR. All decent Indian journals are indexed in either JSTOR, SCOPUS, Westlaw, Hein Online or the Washington & Lee rankings. I think it is very fair to exclude journals not indexed in any of these databases.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 18:25
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Since when is indexing in JSTOR a qualifier? Also note that databases don't really index journals as such, just host them. There are other factors involved in how to get a journal hosted by databases. I've nothing against JILI and have published papers in it myself.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 17:58
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You are right 21.1.2. An NLSIU-Rhodes background does not guarantee superior academic output. Someone like Prabhash Ranjan fares better. Granted that his LLM and PhD are also from prestigious foreign universities, but he is a DU product.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 14:51
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There is no Indian law that treats PhDs differently. Similarly, there's no law that treats any journal differently, apart from the UGC listed ones. Even in the UGC CARE list, there's no different point system accorded to different journals so long as they all are part of that list. Therefore, if any such different criteria is adopted as minimum eligibility criteria as you suggest, it is highly unlikely that they would stand any legal challenge. That's why any such consideration would have to be purely informal if at all. There are scores of good journals that aren't SCOPUS listed, just as there are excellent books that haven't been published by the publishers you named. Don't replace one set of prejudice by another. For instance, the most authoritative book on company law in the country has been published by Lexis (Ramaiya), not OUP or Sage.
Tauji 13 Oct 2019, 15:36
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He does not even have a PhD or equivalent - while its important to have younger VC's and Mrinal or Arun would be great, let's not suggest anyone and everyone without actually looking at their qualifications and suitability and experience.
Tauji 13 Oct 2019, 17:59
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Shubhankar does not even have a PhD or equivalent - while its important to have younger VC's and Mrinal or Arun would be great, let's not suggest anyone and everyone without actually looking at their qualifications and suitability and experience.
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 20:41
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Dumb comment. Many profs at Harvard Law School do not have PhD either. A PhD is not always the mark of a good academician. Publications are more important.
I am also Dumb 14 Oct 2019, 02:18
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Yes many professors at Harvard (and across most US Law Schools) do not have a PhD, because of the way legal education is structured and how hiring for faculty takes place. In most cases you would have been in practise for 8-9 year (except for when you were a clerk in SCOTUS) before you are even considered for an appointment.

In case of Shubhankar if we see similar legal systems and hiring practises all his peers have a Masters (in may cases more than one) and a Ph.D. - now that's not to say that he's not qualified. He is and has many good publications.

And a Phd or equivalent from a world's top 25 law school is very very much a mark of good academician. There's a reason people spend five years of their life to do that.

Plus in his case, can you please tell us what is his administrative experience - because we are looking for a VC. We have Mrinal, Anup, Aparna, Arul etc. to write good publications - we want someone who can support all of them, support the research culuture that we are building, keep faculty factionalism in check, etc.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 14:14
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Shubhankar Dam is the only diaspora prof likely to come back. He specialises in Indian constitutional law and does not have family obligations abroad. He is still in his 30s and it will help his CV to get a few years of VC experience and then go back to the UK. He can also remain in India and try for judgeship as an eminent jurist. In fact he would have applied to NUJS had the search committe not been dominated by TMC henchmen and if students/alumni had supported him.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 14:25
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What prevented him from applying? He might not have been selected by the henchmen, but surely they couldn't stop him from applying?
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 14:15
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Why not Menaka Guruswamy as VC?
Guest1 12 Oct 2019, 16:46
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Cause she hasn’t been involved as faculty in an academic institution for more than a couple of years? We are stretching ourselves thin by looking only for an NLU alum no?
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 18:06
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If an older person has to get the job, then Ved Kumari is a better choice than Jaswal or Deva Rao. Some people have been mentioning Bharat Desai of JNU, but I think he is happy with being in JNU.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 18:21
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Of course, JNU is actually one of few globally known Indian universities, miles ahead of any NLU in terms of average student quality and institutional prestige and resources.
Tauji 14 Oct 2019, 18:33
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This is interesting and genuinly cruious as to why SKD is a bad choice/ not best choice (if it has to be an old guard). Started his career at NLS as a faculty hired by Menon and mentored by Maja Daruwala and other human rights experts. Is humble, genuine, does not have a large ego (like most of the old guard), is liked by most faculty and admin staff. Understands the internal dynamics and what works and doesn't. Along with RS help develop the research culture at CCG and helped establish the now P-39A and CCG. Is supportive and unlike GSB not insecure and selfish.

Actually not the most savy political opertor.

P.S.: As an aside an old interview of him I found during his last few days at NLUD https://glasnostnludelhi.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/the-musings-of-a-registrar-with-prof-dr-srikrishna-deva-rao/
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 18:11
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The current Big 3 ranking of NLSIU>NUD>NALSAR can be disrupted either way depending on the new NLUD VC: NLUD>NLSIU>NALSAR if a good VC joins, NLSIU>NALSAR>NLUD if a bad VC joins.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 18:20
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Kaunsa ranking hai yeh, Bhai? NIRF wala? The one where IIT KGP's law school comes in at fourth position? LOL!
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 18:29
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The day Jindal joins that ranking, it will beat all NLUs hollow based on the current NIRF parameters. It's a face saver for the NLUs that Jindal is busy with international rankings instead of NIRF.
Guest 12 Oct 2019, 20:08
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The timing of the notification and short deadline is suspicious. NLUD students have less than 30 days to request people to apply, draft a petition and meet the judge. You also have Diwali holidays.
NLUD guy 13 Oct 2019, 08:00
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Update from NLUD: We are keeping a sharp eye on developments and reading the suggestions on LI. We are well aware that our second place in NIRF (and potential first place) is under jeopardy with a reactionary VC. We will follow what NLSIU did and release a petition and seek a meeting with the search committee. We certainly want an NLU alum as VC, such as Prof Arun, Prof Nigam, Prof Shubhankar and our own Prof Mrinal. Backchannel talks are being initiated to see who is interested. We may eventually fail but we will try our best and go all out.
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 08:18
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Of the four you mentioned, the last two are definitely not interested at this stage. Arun would be good though. I don't know Nigam personally, so not certain about him.
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 08:54
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Comment 14.1.1.1 says: "At least Sudhir, Arun etc have the courage of their convictions and give up easy convenient jobs abroad to actually practice what they preach."

This is a disgusting comments. Academicians in NLUs are treated like garbage: low salary, vindictive behaviour from insecure older colleagues and admin (especially if you are an NLU alum) and ungrateful and abusive students like you. How dare you blame them for going abroad. Why don't you say the same of people working in foreign law firms?
Not 14.1.1.1 13 Oct 2019, 09:44
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Who is being ungrateful or abusive here? What should an NLU student be grateful for exactly to alumni who have left the country and are teaching abroad? Yes, the work conditions here for good academics are bad, that's one of the things even the people who leave keep criticising. But if people keep leaving instead of trying to change those conditions for better, then they certainly lose the moral high ground to criticise it from outside. The law firm analogy doesn't really work here. People who go to law firms want high paying jobs, plain and simple. There's little idealism involved, unlike in academics. This doesn't mean people who are teaching abroad are bad or immoral; they don't owe anything to anybody here to have to give up their career aspiration etc. It's not as if their Indian education had been subsidised with taxpayer money either.
FACT 15 Oct 2019, 08:36
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Lol, jealous much? I think the view is absolutely correct. Those that cut abroad at the earliest instance may well be doing great cutting edge research (like Khaitan on discrimination law). But they do not have the moral high ground anymore, criticising the state of domestic academia. They can be constructive, and suggestive. But compared to their equally qualified peers of high calibre like Sudhir staying back and doing the hard work, they sure pale in comparison. Sudhir built up an entire law faculty from scratch at APU, and is now trying to help Law School chart the next course. That deserves some credit.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 08:50
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I've heard about Sudhir's work at APU. Strangely, there seems to be little media coverage of the law department there, its activities, graduate outcome etc. How many batches have graduated from the place yet?
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 09:21
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Those still unconvinced about the importance of nationalising NLUs under the new HECI Bill, the MHRD has sanctioned Rs 592 crores for renovating the campus of IIEST Calcutta and released half the amount. Do you think Manan Mishra and Ravi Shankar Prasad will give you even 1 lakh?

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/rs-260-crore-grant-for-iiest/cid/1711329
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 09:45
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Has there been any indication at all that the new proposed regulator would be open to nationalising NLUs if the Bill comes to fruition, or is is just another assumption?
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 09:39
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BREAKING NEWS: Sudhir has spoken to Bar & Bench on 3 important issues:

1. Institution of Eminence/Institution of National Importance status: Is planning for it, as he also said to LI (but there will surely be opposition from Manan Mishra, and this means MHRD funding and control).

2. Faculty hiring: EC has green lighted it (this is BIG NEWS, as alumni will certainly be preferred)..

3. Domicile reservation: He seems to be open to it on the ground that Karnataka has good schools and a culture of education (it can be argued that this also applies to Delhi, Maharashtra, Bengal and southern states and will thus not harm NLUD, NALSAR, NUJS or MNLU, but not so sure about Hindi belt and smaller states)

But I disagree with one thing he says: "Except for the Jindal Global Law School, most of the vibrant private institutions are here." This is simply not true. The top private law schools are JGLS, Symbi, Nirma, Bennett, Munjal, Amity and Christ. Only Christ is in Karnataka.

https://barandbench.com/if-the-institution-of-eminence-tag-is-a-recognition-of-success-we-should-be-up-for-consideration-nlsiu-vc-prof-sudhir-krishnaswamy-part-ii/
Insider 14 Oct 2019, 02:25
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If the government is determined to enforce
'domicile' quota in NLSIU, Sudhir cannot oppose it.
Guest1 14 Oct 2019, 15:28
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Well- maybe it’s not worth it to oppose it right? Cause why would you assume that domicile quota would harm anyone or lower student quality or hurt the national character of NLUs? Nalsar introduced the domicile quota a while ago and it doesn’t seem to have hurt them in any of these ways at all. Besides as SK points out- many students from Karnataka already get into nls, maybe even enough that a horizontal application wouldn’t even change the composition of the student body.
So if a domicile quota comes with increasing state funds - its a win win for .
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 06:16
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Interesting! Any idea on who all he might be reaching out to for recruitment? SIPLA used to have lists of people it would call for seminars. Maybe they should hand these over to Sudhir as a possible starting point? My own suggestions would be Mrinal Satish (unless he is heading for VCship at NLUD), Arun KT (same), Aparna Chandra, Sid C, Anup Surendernath, Prabhash Ranjan, Saurabh B, Daniel Mathew, Yogesh Pai, Arul Scaria. To start with at least.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 07:30
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Maybe get some people to teach financial laws too? Prabhash is the only one in that list who can do something close to that. Nothing wrong with the list though, these are all good names. I'm sure there are some good young faculty across law schools who can teach students at least the fundamentals of Corp, banking, etc. the way it is supposed to be used, not simply read out sections from books and commentaries
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:18
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Agree. They already have Rahul for competition laws, and in this list Arul also works on competition. This was before my time at NLS, by A K Rai, who is now teaching at NLUD used to teach banking and insurance and was considered very good. Went on to join Luthra as a partner and then went back to teaching, this time at NLUD. He could be approached. I don't know (not my area) younger academics who do financial/corporate laws who are based in India. But others can suggest.
Noojie 15 Oct 2019, 10:59
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Prof. Rai is good, though he prefers to stay in or near Delhi these days from what I have heard. I would also suggest two more names for corp law from my NUJS days. Kumarjit Ray and Souvik Guha. NUJS alum both and good from what I've seen from their classes. Former has gone back to law firms from what I know, though he'd taught at law school before and can probably be asked again. Latter is still teaching there from what I know. Both much young and junior compared to most of the people named here, but good enough teachers. From my friends at NALSAR, I've heard they have got a good young guy there too.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 14:22
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Sudhanshu Kumar @NALSAR. Edits Dugar's Competition law these days and is the only academic to have contributed to the latest edition of CR Datta on Company law.

Teaches Company law, Competition law and Capital Markets. Is amazing.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 14:35
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Sudhanshu is good from the little I've seen and heard of him. Dugar's book isn't, though. It contains very little analysis and is more of a compilation of laws and regulation. I speak as someone who practises in that field. It serves more like an oversized practitioner's manual than anything else.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 01:04
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It is a text book which are seldom looking to provide analysis. The editorial control generally lies with the publisher. However, given the fact he gets asked to work on it must mean that the publisher, Lexis in this case, rates him compared with others in his area of work.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 05:46
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Sorry to say this, but publishers like EBC, Lexis etc. usually go to the NLUs these days and simply ask the faculty members if they would be interested in editing the volumes published. Those who say yes, usually get the job. No reflection on this guy here, he is probably a good teacher and researcher in his own right. I am just clearing the air about the procedure. I've actually seen Lexis people coming to my NLU and have similar conversation with the faculty members. OUP, CUP, Routledge, Brill etc. have a bit more rigorous process wherein CVs need to be vetted, but again, not much.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 07:21
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So no matter where one writes, would it show some competence?
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 08:19
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Writing process, especially with international publishers, is a lot more selective. This was about Indian publishers selecting people to edit and update volumes of already published books.
Goji 16 Oct 2019, 08:36
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Spot on.
Fogg 14 Oct 2019, 11:50
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In other words, you are saying that Sudhir should poach the cream of NLUD faculty and see NLUD fall well behind NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS in faculty quality, followed by a slide in its reputation downgrade to tier 2 status. NLUD admin and students are not fools that they will let this happen. The goal for NLUD remains NIRF #1 with these professors and even more talent. FYI some top people will apply for the VC post.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 12:54
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What are the students going to do if the faculty want to shift? What did they do when MP Singh left and joined Jindal? Such a load of hot air! Every good VC should always be on the lookout for good talent. Focus on NIRF ranking as motivation is just laughable.
Tauji 14 Oct 2019, 18:21
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MP Singh never taught LLBs. He came here after retiring even from his Haryana Centreal University thing. He did his own research and taught the LLMs - so it wasn't a blow in that sense.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 20:25
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Other than while the university was profiting from using his profile for NIRF and other rankings.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:12
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What a pity that students has a resource like MP Singh in their university and they make use of the opportunity enough that his leaving was a blow! If this is how NLUD students treat their faculty, no wonder so many of them are considering leaving!
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 17:31
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And what exactly can NLUD students do if faculty want to leave? Admin sure. They can make them a different/better offer etc. That too is limited in scope in a public university. And Jindal has no restrictions whatsoever in what can be offered. So expect some movement definitely. And maybe a lot, depending on who comes in as VC.
NLUD Alum 15 Oct 2019, 07:24
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I heard RS himself say that many of the younger faculty are planning to leave. So this is not hypothetical. I don't know what the current students can do about it, but they need to get their act together. Perhaps reach out to the ones who we know are definitely leaving (and everyone knows at least three who are leaving/may have already left) and see if anything can be done about it. Otherwise, we may or may not get a good VC, but we will not be left with good faculty at all.
Guest1 15 Oct 2019, 11:30
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This whole conversation treats good faculty as a non-renewable resource. If people leave nlud - for whatever reason, nlud has had enough graduated batches to expect some younger people to come in and teach, there are people from other universities also who
Might prefer to stay in Delhi. Sure they’ll be younger and lack experience but they’ll also be hungry.
I think focusing on just despairing about people who want to leave is pointless. There absolutely can exist a future where nlud nls Nalsar and most other NLUs can be doing quite well . It’s better how to figure out how to get to that future instead.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 12:06
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That's a good point. Anybody know of any NLUD grad who's joined academics full time yet? They have around 5-6 batches out already, right?
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 13:39
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There are a couple, maybe one or two more at Jindal and 2 at Azim Premji for sure. Some others are pursuing phds abroad. But that'll take time. I have come across many from their LL.M program who are in academia. But I guess that's not what you meant.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 13:38
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I wish it were not the case, but sadly, there aren't enough good faculty in Indian legal academia to consider them a "renewable resource" at present. At the very least, one should find out why people are leaving. If it is a personal choice, that's another matter. But if it is an institutional thing, then that may need to be fixed otherwise those that come next would also suffer the same consequences. For example, why did MP Singh leave? It couldn't have been only for the money - the man spent his entire life in public institutions, and joined NLUD when he could have joined Jindal earlier. If students are really interested in the long term development of the institution, they should perhaps sit down and have a conversation with him?
Guest 13 Oct 2019, 13:09
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Apart from having alums as VCs, it is also important to have alums and Registrars and Academic/Assistant Deans. A few NLUs have created this Dean position, but they have often handed them to chelas of the VC to do dirty work.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 11:55
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Sudhir/SIPLA are both looking out for profs from various NLUs/JNU/IIT/IIM/Jindal/APU/SAU etc, in addition to various alumni teaching abroad.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 12:59
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Thanks for the update. Keep looking.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 13:54
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People who believe that alumni would be vying to come back as teachers to NLSIU to work under Sudhir are badly mistaken. He is not that universally popular among the alumni who are academicians. Sure, he has his followers and supporters. But there are many who would rather not work under him. Just like there's a division among existing faculty.
Guest1 14 Oct 2019, 15:18
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True, the man doesn’t win popularity awards. Mostly because he doesn’t suffer fools. But he does earn loyalties- he’s taught / worked with a lot of people in indian legal academia and he’s worked in academia long enough to reasonably expect a good number of people to follow him.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 17:34
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He may not be popular, but academics don't need to like the VC to work in an institution - they need to be provided good work conditions and support for their academic endeavours. This much Sudhir is likely to provide more than any other VC currently (even more than Jindal because Sudhir has a better academic vision than RK).
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 16:55
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Still looking? Weren't people supposed to be falling over eachother to join NLS the day Sudhir joined. I remember reading things like 'will hit the ground running' etc. He had a month or so with the old guard dragging along a certain appointment and has had another. No one has joined, and now we are told he is 'looking-out for' people.

How long do we have to wait till we can start calling-out the bhakts?
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 17:46
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I'd once been told that the VC couldn't appoint any faculty within 6 months of joining. Is there any truth in that? Can anyone in the know about UGC rules etc. clarify? I don't see how it can be true, especially since the appointment is by the EC and not the VC anyway.
NLS Alumnus 14 Oct 2019, 19:18
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@Guest: You clearly don't understand how academic appointments work at public universities. Please read the applicable UGC Regulations published in July 2018. Appointments to permanent teaching positions require public advertisements of vacant positions with sufficient time given for receiving applications. There needs to be a formal scrutiny of the applications to shortlist candidates who can be called for interviews before Selection Committees. The Selection Committees need to have at least 4 external members. Even after interviews are conducted to select candidates, the latter may need to serve notice periods at their respective institutions. The entire process (from the notification of vacancies to the joining of selected candidates) can easily take 4-6 months. Sudhir Krishnaswamy has only joined office on September 25, 2019. There are large budget deficits passed on by the previous administration. So he may only be able to hold interviews for permanent positions by April-May 2020 for the prospective joining of newer faculty members from July 2020.

In comparison, appointments to ad-hoc positions can be made by the VC in a discretionary manner without holding formal interviews. These appointments are usually made on an annual basis. Since NLSIU does not have classes in October, you may well see such appointments in the November-January and March-May trimesters. It is simply too early to be demanding fresh appointments when it has hardly been 20 days since he assumed office.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 20:29
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I agree. Give the man some breathing space. He already has multiple issues to deal with from before his time. He isn't responsible for random people claiming to pluck the stars out of the sky in his name. Any VC should be given at least two years before he can be criticised for his overall policies. Be it Sudhir or anybody else.
Checking Sudhir bhakts 15 Oct 2019, 01:13
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Advertisement out yet or is Sudhir still in the process of drafting one?

November isn't yet that far off, I would have thought the demo classes and interviews for ad hoc appointments would be on right now.

Anyhow, I have my popcorn and waiting to see what the chosen one is able to do.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:09
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From what I know, he has already reached out to people. These things take time. First, the people he has reached out to are already part of other institutions. They have to be given time to decide whether they want to join. If they are already holding permanent positions, they will not want to give that up for ad hoc positions. So they will have to wait for a full recruitment. Ad hoc appointments are not done through advertisements. So once people who are willing to shift on ad hoc appointments agree, then the next process will start. Because some people were sitting in LI comments and making all sorts of claims about what Sudhir would or would not do the moment he joined, doesn't mean he is bound by that. We give even governments a 100 days for their first deliverables. We should give him a couple of months at least before looking at what all he has done.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 11:44
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Prof Rajkumar from JGLS can be a possible VC for NLUD. It will not require him to relocate from Delhi and NLUD VCship is obviously more prestigious than JGLS VCship, with a lot of opportunities for networking and rising high. Students will certainly prefer him to an old school person.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 12:52
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Heh. Good joke. He should take a drastic cut in pay and autonomy and prefer to kiss ass instead of kick ass all for what? The heady feeling that comes from heading an institution that's number 2 in NIRF ranking? He already heads one that's got into international rankings.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 12:58
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Hahaha...
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 11:56
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Why is nobody mentioning Anil Suraj from IIM Bangalore in their list of VCs? He is an NLSIU alum, unlike the other names from IIM being mentioned.


https://www.iimb.ac.in/user/148/anil-b-suraj
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 16:52
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1. Because he is still an Associate Professor, and as per the web link you provide he has only just in the process of getting his PhD.

2. His entire education is from NLSIU - undergrad, grad and doctoral. While still pretty great, it helps when a person is 'well travelled' as it allows you to build networks across spaces.

Not saying any of this is a deal breaker. Just attempting to rationalize in response to your query.
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 16:52
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PS: I did not downvote your comment.
Tauji 14 Oct 2019, 18:25
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Because he has never taught in a law school or taught, never had any administrative experience
Checking Sudhir bhakts 14 Oct 2019, 17:02
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Originally posted at - https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nls-students-protest-over-admin-possibly-stacking-ec-against-sudhir-vote-with-bci-members-20190920-10863#comments

"Here are 10 ways in which Sudhir will transform NLSIU and why there is so much resistance to him:

1. MoU with Oxford and Columbia
2. Designation of top alumni as visiting profs
3. Filling EC with alumni
4. Expecting faculty to publish and do high quality research, be on their toes.
5. New faculty hiring with preference to alumni.
6. Liberal rules and end of moral policing.
7. Strategy to enter global rankings.
8. Applying for Institution of National Importance status.
9. Scholarships through funding from private sector.
10. Greater internationalisation"

As an outsider I am sure that the only one out of these that could have happened without the world being told is #6. Can someone currently at NLS comment on the same?
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 17:51
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4 can also happen, no? No harm in him expecting all that, especially because he can't do a single thing to force it to happen. Even faculty promotions as per UGC norms aren't contingent on that. Nor can he promote people out of turn these days like MP Singh did to him. To be fair, what can a VC do apart from maybe having an institutional policy of monetary incentive for SCOPUS publications etc like Jindal has? Can't force someone to write and publish, no?
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 06:17
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Lots of donkeys are commenting here without any knowledge. VCs are appointed on combination of criteria like seniority, experience, academic merit, publications, eminent jurist and administrative experience. Prof Jaswal is head and shoulder above others in this respect.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:01
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WARNING: The anti-Sudhir comments here could be from his rivals posting in the guise of being students/alumni.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:53
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You are claiming everybody who has a genuine law school connection cannot possibly criticise Sudhir for anything? That's not appreciation, that's fanaticism. I personally am in favour of giving him more time, but that doesn't mean I'll try brushing all criticism under the carpet without considering their merit. That sounds something like what the rabid right wing lobby does.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:14
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Sudhir can easily appoint as many as 50 good people within India as visiting profs, with limited financial repercussions for the university. Suppose the annual salary of a regular assistant prof is 12 lakhs. A very generous estimate of the costs of 1 visiting prof are as follows:

Flight from Delhi = Rs 8 to 10,000 max
Costs of in-house accommodation for 20 days in a year, with food etc = Rs 50,000 to 60,000 max
Honorarium = Rs 3,0000 to 5,000 a day x 15 days = Rs 75,000 max
TOTAL = Rs 1.5 to 2 lakhs a year max

Thus, 1 regular assistant prof = 6 to 8 visiting profs for 90 days in all.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 07:57
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The maths is fairly sound actually. In 20 days, a visiting prof can easily offer a 3-credit equivalent course. That means 6 such courses a year at the cost of a single assistant prof. Not bad.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 08:58
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In fact, the oldies earn much more than 12 lakhs a year. If they retire or leave, many visiting profs can be designated.
Guest1 15 Oct 2019, 11:39
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Doubtful , maybe this is an NLUD exception , but most assistant professors in the NLUs get paid 3-4 lakh pa, and the value add from “perks” is hardly worth mentioning.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 12:04
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You are mistaken. At least the top 7-8 NLUs all have implemented 7th Pay Commission pay scale already. That means entry level assistant professors get at least 63-64k per month, i.e. around 7.3 lakhs p.a. Permanent ones, that is.
Guest1 15 Oct 2019, 12:37
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Ah . My mistake. But that’s still not a lot of money. Not enough to sponsor 10-20 visiting profs anyway.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 17:14
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How much do Associate Profs and Profs get? What are the criteria for these positions? One way to attract good young faculty might be to give them associate and professor positions if they have good degrees, a good publication record and some teaching experience? This is something any law school can do. IMO, 50-60k per month after spending lakhs on your llb and llm, not to mention phd might deter good people from joining academia.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 17:54
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Associate prof entry level salary is close to 1.3 lakhs per month after 7th CPC. Prof entry level salary is around 1.75 lakhs per month.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 18:20
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As for criteria to promotion, an assistant professor can usually make associate in 13 years and professor in another 3 years as per UGC rules. Doesn't have to do much for that, just survive and satisfy some basic publication requirements. If one takes the direct appointment route, then an assistant prof. with a PhD and 8/10 years of experience can apply for any open associate/full prof position.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 18:59
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Ok, if this is the case, then I can see how Sudhir will attract these people. Most of the top 'younger' academics have about 8-10 years experience. But most of them are all still Assistant Professors. So he will directly offer them Associate Professor if they have 8 years and Professor if they have 10 years. And for the ones who don't meet that criteria, he can offer them Chair Professors etc which MP Singh did for him and Shamnad.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 19:31
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Might be somewhat difficult to do that for many people. Positions have to be created and approved first. There would be huge financial implications and I doubt law school is flush with funds right now. Then there'd be all those ad hoc people who've been teaching for the past few years and who would lay claim to any new vacancy. Let's wait and watch.
Guest1 15 Oct 2019, 11:36
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Even if true , there are probably good reasons to not give up the regular assistant spot funding for visiting professors.
Assistant professors stay within the university, contribute to research within the university, teach mandatory courses without which the degree would be specious. Do tons of service for the universties - organising conferences , mentoring students, serving on editorial boards etc.

Besides there are pedagogic reasons to spread out learning over a longer period of time. It helps to have several evaluative tests built in to the curriculum, several activities etc.

Not to say that visiting professors have no value - just that replacing one with the other because of “financial sense” might be overlooking the value that permanent faculty members bring.
Dumbledore 15 Oct 2019, 09:07
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It is high time for NLU students across India to collaborate to build a database of 50 to 60 top profs in business law subjects, then mutually invite people form the list. The breakup can be as follows:

- Around 10 profs in company law
- 4-5 in tax law
- 4-5 in insurance law
- 4-5 in competition law
- 4-5 in trade law
- 4-5 in IP/IT/media law
-4-5 in arbitration
- 2-3 in infrastructure sector laws
- 2-3 in real estate law
- 2-3 in maritime and transport law
- 2-3 in white collar crime

In addition, a list of around 20 to 30 practitioners can be made (not all practitioners are good at teaching).
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 09:54
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Had there been that many good academics in the country, the state of legal education would have been better.
Guest1 15 Oct 2019, 11:41
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I would argue that you don’t need to build some list . Stackranking is intuitive to human nature and is satisfying to do, but is probably useless or worse harmful when done to academics across different disciplines and areas of expertise. You don’t need this- you just need to read widely and call whoever interests you.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 17:22
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Genuine question since I am not in academia. People keep talking about how Sudhir will be able to attract good faculty to NLS. How? Leave aside people who are outside India for a moment. Let us look at people who are in India and are teaching. Presumably most of them are in permanent positions in other NLUs. What will make them give this up and head to NLS? Why would someone from NALSAR or NUJS or NLUD want to shift to Bangalore? Money wise they will get the same that they were getting in their current institution. Student wise there isn't much of a difference. So what is the differentiating factor at least amongst the top NLUs (I can understand the university reputation factor being important for lower ranked NLUs) . I am not able to understand this. Pardon if this is a stupid question, but I have hopes of being in academia one day and that is why I want to know.
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 18:01
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Possible ways to attract can be providing more research opportunity and funding, incentives for good quality publications, fast-tracking promotions for capable people, lesser teaching hours thus freeing up time for research, reducing burden of admin tasks and having some sane academic rules (most places don't have those) for a change. One downside that both NLSIU and NALSAR have as compared to NUJS or NLUD is the location. Miles away from nearest city. Makes it difficult for people to spend their lives down there for long. I just heard of someone from NALSAR who left a teaching position for a lesser research position at NUJS for among others that reason. It is not a deal breaker or anything, but certainly a factor.
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 08:22
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1 With deficit budgets, and little support from the state - funding for research, and incentives for publication aren't a reality.

2 Fast-tracking promotions also have to follow UGC rules, and very strictly so (due to introduction of RTI which dissuades out-of-turn promotions like ones granted to Shamnad and Sudhir).

3 Lesser teaching hours fails to happen due to 1. Less than really needed (for lesser working hours) number of faculty is recruited and then every bit of their time is extracted to stay within budgetary constraints.

All of you keep making suggestions without providing the answer we in the University need - money! Arrange that and things improve. And please don't say INI or one of the other not-real-possibilities for these institutions today. It is too small a student body for the political elite to care.
Guest 24 Oct 2019, 06:47
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On point (2) please do not suggest that Sudhir's appointment as professor was not within the UGC Rules. The UGC Rules themselves allow for out of turn promotions for meritorious candidates. MP Singh was far sighted enough to see Sudhir's potential and appoint him as a professor directly from an assistant professor. Sudhir will hopefully do the same and use the powers under the UGC Rules to make appointments that fast tracks the creation of the next set of VCs. NLS can become the incubation ground for the next step in legal education through this route - a role it was meant to play to begin with. Fast tracking will also provide an incentive to good faculty from other institutions to leave their current positions and move to NLS.
Guest 24 Oct 2019, 07:38
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Fast tracking is not that easy. Merit has to be decided based on objective criteria. You can't simply say that any person holding a foreign PhD degree is more meritorious than someone having an Indian PhD degree for example, at least not under the present set of laws. When MP Singh had identified Sudhir as a potential star, the issue was with the 'potential' part. He hadn't done much on paper to objectively establish his candidature over others at that time. Singh was right in his assessment in this case, but he was also wrong in his other assessments. That's not a very good model to follow in the interest of transparency and non-arbitrariness. It boils down to getting the VC's support one way or another.
Guest 25 Oct 2019, 07:44
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Of course, there should be some broad objective criteria on the basis of which the fast tracking is done. I guess quality research and publications would be the most objective standards, since most other metrics are very subjective. But doing this fast-tracking is the need of the hour. Most of the good faculty across universities are at a comparatively junior or mid levels. Fast tracking will provide them the incentive to move to NLS.
Guest 25 Oct 2019, 10:50
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On that I think both of us can agree.
R2 15 Oct 2019, 18:51
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The answer is called "visiting professors"
Guest 15 Oct 2019, 20:33
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Mint has featured an NLUD alum doing socially relevant work. This is how NLUD stands out. The students are not law firm obsessed.

https://www.livemint.com/mint-lounge/business-of-life/the-lawyer-who-chose-to-help-farmers-grow-11571160199736.html
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 02:03
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There are plenty of students from other law schools who have been doing similar work for long, be it NLSIU, NALSAR or NUJS. Press coverage isn't a prerequisite of doing good work actually. Kudos to this person, though. Although what was the relevance of this information in the present context of discussion, only you know.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 14:02
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It's been nearly 1 month since an NLU protest. Why the quiet? Diwali holidays? Come on NLUJ, please show some spine and do a protest.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 14:46
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The students of AIL Mohali are currently protesting against the admin it seems. In case that brightens up your day.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 14:35
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The visiting professor option is the only feasible solution to the faculty crunch at NLUs. Each NLU must stop hiring useless profs and instead use the money to pay for visiting profs. 1 regular prof salary = 6 to 10 visiting prof expenses.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 15:08
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Will visiting professors offer mandatory course which are necessary for being accorded the degree?

If yes, then over how much time will such courses be structured given that the 'visiting' person must have a full time job elsewhere to which he or she may return?

Say, hypothetically, we found someone to come over for 2 weeks (is that much of a holiday possible to get in the market today), will he or she be able to pack in 60 hours of teaching in 14 days? 4 hours of Labour law everyday for 2 weeks, or Admin law or....

Will he or she have this much material on his or her tips to teach for extended periods everyday without getting much time to prep? Will students be able to sit through such rigours?

What about making exam papers, checking 120 odd answer sheets, marking term papers. Doesn't sound like a visiting job to me. Kindly think these things through passing verdicts on the 'only feasible' options.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 15:50
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They would fall behind in ranking though if they do that. Having VPs don't count as having faculty. They'd also need to hire many additional admin people to do the job currently regular faculty do.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 19:48
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Visiting profs are very much feasible and better bcoz many of the current faculty at NLUs are useless. Even 6 hours from a good visiting prof is better than 60 hours from a useless prof. This applies to all NLUs.
Guest1 17 Oct 2019, 04:33
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That maybe the experience for frustrated students, but it certainly is not how a university can run. If you have “useless” professors- that is the problem- one that can’t be solved by visiting professor. The solution can only be to replace bad profs with good ones
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 08:14
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You can't get the degree based on a great 6 hour class.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 19:55
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People, keep an eye out on guest lecturers invited by Sudhir and SIPLA. They could be the next set of profs to join.
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 08:15
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Because that is how the 'visiting' system works.
Guest1 17 Oct 2019, 14:47
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Don’t think there’s need for all this. If someone is considering a job at nls - likely they will visit for an interview/ job talk - and likely the student body will hear about it fairly quickly.
Guest 16 Oct 2019, 19:59
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Several NLUs have come out in support of the Army Institute of Law protests and serious issues have been raised. Yet, LI is silent once again because it selectively criticises certain VCs at NLUs.

https://twitter.com/protests_at_ail
https://www.instagram.com/protests.at.ail
Really NLUD! 17 Oct 2019, 10:14
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NLUD: This is one of the persons in the running for the post?

"Trouble began in the premier law university last week when two senior professors Prof. [...] and Associate professor [..] were 'removed' by executive council...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/indore/Lawlessness-in-National-Law-University/articleshow/10386284.cms

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/bhopal-law-varsity-sacks-two-profs-for-not-checking-answersheets/860479/
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 11:58
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This is a matter from 2011. It doesn't even reveal the outcome of the litigation. Hasn't Bajpai already been serving as the Registrar at NLUD for a long time even after that? From all that I've heard, he's done a decent job too there, though I'm guessing credit should be shared for that between RS and him. Posting this with the accompanying emphasis smells at this stage smells a bit fishy.
p.s. I'm not from NLUD, nor have any particular prejudice in favour of or against it.
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 11:44
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https://livewire.thewire.in/campus/protest-at-army-institute-of-law-mohali-over-arbitrary-college-rules

Kian, are you suggesting that when certain stories are broken by your "competitors" then you wouldn't simply walk away from those stories?

It is interesting to note how AIL admin are trying to pass themselves off as under direct "army management". Sure they have been set up by an Army affiliated group. The difference may not be apples and oranges but certainly orange and clementine.

AIL had also started in Patiala (Kian, you covered RGNUL pretty late) before moving to Mohali. RGNUL has quite a few faculty folks and PG students from AIL. RGNUL's previous Registrar was an AIL veteran and fairly involved in the "crimes of PJ"
kianganz 17 Oct 2019, 12:00
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It's not so much about breaking them first but when it comes to student protests these days, and in light of the frequency of these, it seems sensible to wait them out a little bit and see how they develop, how (and whether) student organisation crystallises and how the administration reacts and engages (if at all), before publicising them further.

But we've been keeping an eye on the AIL situation since Sunday and will continue to monitor.

On a side note - AIL is in a pretty interesting position. As far as I understand, it's de facto private, though more than 90% of students are there under either military or state reservation, and nearly the entire admin and teachers are ex-military. If joining this kind of university as a student, why would you not expect the administration to be very top-down / archaic?
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 14:18
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No teacher, barring maybe one person - Col JS Sandhu, has ever been ex-military! And he used to teach Army Law (Act and Rules) . About 10/15% of each batch ends up joining the army, so that isn't a deal breaker.
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 14:18
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So they shouldn't hope to make marginal gains against it?
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 12:05
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It is under Army management.

1. It is set-up by the AWES (or the Army Welfare Education Society) which has a serving officer at the very top (usually a Major General).

2. The Registrar is appointed by the Army and usually is a serving officer of the rank of Colonel, or sometimes a retired army officer.

3. The Patron (a position similar to Visitor, but not quite) is the GOC-in-C, Western Command.

The management and running of the place has always been in the hands of the Indian Army. The initial campus in Patiala was within the Cantonment. The academic leadership is civilian, and affiliation lies with the Punjabi University as AIL is currently in Mohali, Punjab and therefore outside the territorial scope of Punjab University, Chandigarh.

That said, the authorities iron-fist is deplorable. However, the final decision will be taken by whoever is the current GOC-in-C, Western Command at Chandimandir.
Sheep Talk 17 Oct 2019, 14:37
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True that the TOI and IE links concerning GSB and others don't mention the outcome of the supposed litigation. In fact the IE link talks about another Prof who was then under inquiry but now heads JGL Law School. It is possible that whoever posted these old links did it with an ulterior motive.

History however suggests that despite such "ulterior" moves, questionable candidates continue to be appointed. A few such examples are mentioned here https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/opinion-ex-student-bar-association-prez-arjun-agarwal-on-how-not-to-choose-a-vice-chancellor-20190609-10619, including someone who is now in the NLUD VC selection committee and a confidant of RS.

Another NLUD VC search committee member was canvassed to bring in transparency and other such mythical things
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nlsiu-prof-vijayakumar-to-join-nliu-as-vc-after-students-successfully-bat-away-less-preferred-vc-nominee-20180514-9343

Maybe he really is better than SSS who despite the shenanigans at NLIU https://barandbench.com/mp-cj-new-nliu-director/ is supposedly the UGC nominee in the Academic Council of NUJS!

But it will be be interesting to know what this fabled VC has done about the following, especially when the decision to conduct an inquiry was taken just before his appointment
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/retired-justice-to-probe-degree-scam-in-nliu/articleshow/64049887.cms

Eight months after his appointment this report came in https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/panel-seeks-fir-against-nine-professors-and-staff-of-nliu/articleshow/67607759.cms

Have those who have been named still drawing salaries or so-called subsistence pay? Or were things quietly sent six feet under because there are just too many "futures" involved https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/failed-47-times-but-got-nliu-degree/articleshow/67608364.cms

Maybe this is how "forward looking" rolls. Preferably, don't inquire (the Sudhir model). However, if inquiries have started, then dilute or bury (followed presumably by administrations in RMLNLU, NLIU, NUJS, RGNUL etc)

To me this is a cautionary tale. Students made demands (justifiably) for transparency and good governance. They even fought off state attempts to install a questionable candidate as VC https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nliu-students-red-light-allahabad-uni-s-bp-singh-as-new-director-choice-question-opacity-in-director-appointment-process-20180509-9337

But did they still get f****d? And will things necessarily get solved if a student body https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nliu-sba-formation-20180730-9470 is is "allowed"?

For all the frentic commentary here, I wouldn't be surprised if the wise men don't bring in one of their friends or proteges as NLUD VC. Also do we have any conclusive evidence that so-called NLU-trained VC candidates are as "radical" and "transparent" as they are touted to be? Have we seen anything happening on that front at NLSIU - they now have a great VC-Registrar combination but no news of any inquiry on how budget deficits happened and were approved for successive years.

The more things change, the more they remain the same. We are like slaves looking for incremental improvements instead of realizing that we do have the strength to seize (and not just rhetorically demand) meaningful change.

No wonder the (paper) lions do not concern themselves with the opinions of sheep (like us).
Daesh Drohi 17 Oct 2019, 15:07
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Kian, point taken. Yes, top-down is expected. That's the route to abyss as well.

Do you really wait for a while before reporting on student protests in NLUs? Maybe it is a recent thing because of the frequency of student protests and how little they are achieving in "real" terms. Some stuttered despite a good start (NUJS, RGNUL and previously NLU Ranchi), some probably ended before they even began (HPNLU), some others never went the distance (NLUO and previously RMLNLU, CNLU, NLUJAA) and a select few (NLIU, HNLU, NLSIU) will hopefully be proved right to unconditionally trust VCs that they successfully secured.

While the slugfest roils NLUs, students in non-NLU law schools too have been blowing whistles on their administrations, such as Symbiosis, Amity and now AIL. But you have largely kept away or waited and watched.

Some have criticized you for being a supposed agent provocateur but I would urge you to remain a muckraker and nudge, C(r)ass(ly).
Infra 17 Oct 2019, 16:56
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I'm sorry but how did the RGNUL protest fail?
Daesh Drohi 17 Oct 2019, 19:52
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I didn't say RGNUL students failed in their protests. But the promising start sputtered. Of course you may hold a different opinion.

1. PSJ is very much in office and its business as usual. No real change in power dynamics etc

2. Other than Admin Office who was made the fall guy by PSJ and Co., the others are merrily (s)trolling as before

3. Opacity rules. Have we been able to get a copy of the inquiry report against AO? Do we even have access to the minutes and agenda notes of the various EC, FC etc meetings? Only now NLSIU students are getting to know about deficits and other inside details (that too with a little peek-in). NUJS students are uncovering massive scams after going through similar records.

4. What happened to the complaints that found support in NCW report? FM merrily made the entire thing look "political". He also made certain "offers" subsequently in response to being called out (seriously, congrats for that). Although "third-party" interlopers can be tricky, it may not have been a bad idea to actually make FM walk his talk.

I will admit that there is a risk to such a move. I am reliably told that FM was very resistant to submissions by NUJS students when he was part of the University Review Commission (URC). However, the student body was relentless and kept dishing out damning evidence. FM realized that to maintain his "image" he couldn't entirely ignore or risk suppressing the evidence. And yet if you were to actually read the report, you will find that the URC did dilute and avoid doing a thorough review.

Later too, when HNLU, NLIU, NLUO, HPNLU (and earlier NLU Ranchi and CNLU) had erupted in protests, FM chose to remain silent (maybe that spoke a thousand words). Maybe he was busy pontificating on other "national" affairs. Come mid-Nov we will again see FM hector.

However, the upside of such a move is that we all know FM. It isn't as if we would have had to agree to his prescriptions. But making FM walk his talk would have left him exposed. Most likely he would have stayed away as he admittedly did from our Academic Council. However, if he had actually walked, even then he would have been left exposed.

5. With the old guard and their ways still in place, do we really expect wonders to happen if and when PSJ were to move to NLUD or elsewhere? Did our protests result in durable changes or kick-start a process whereby we would have been cleansed off the ills of PSJ?

6. Clearly URC can go sideways. But did we even get that to happen? Why not a special audit?

Maybe I am all wrong. Tell me, what did we tangibly achieve?
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 20:11
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Reminds me of NUJS https://thewire.in/sport/bcci-jay-amit-shah-arun-dhamal

Except Lord Taluk was no Justice Lodha. The "lost decade" of NUJS started with PIB, pursued with paralyzing efficiency by Lord Taluk and the icing is to be completed by NKC.

Saffron trolls please don't start with your useless drivel. If only "invitations" to famed "IDG sessions" did the trick. So many worthies came and went while PIB, Lord Taluk and now NKC kept hollowing us out.

Poriborton apparently came in 2011. Later Acche Din came in 2014. New India arrived in 2019. Now SG is supposed to come in 2021.

Wouldn't know if these are/were myths. But AG isn't. Very real. And actively doing real damage. Everyday. Relentlessly.

Btw, SG is well known for dropping balls.
Guest 17 Oct 2019, 20:32
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The people commenting here have zero idea about academics. How to measure the worth of good faculty, what counts as good research, who the good profs currently are etc.
Nophd 18 Oct 2019, 05:26
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the meltdown here about shubankar's lack of phd is very strange. why he doesn't have one, is he getting one, why isn't he getting one, when will he get one. i am an nlu alum now doing phd in the UK. all these peeps commenting here endlessly about shubankar might want to know something. my supervisor professor doesn't have a phd himself. my annual review was done by 2 persons. none had phds. in places like uk, australia, canada, singapore, hongkong etc you simply don't need a phd to be appointed or promoted as professor. it is done on the basis on the quality of your publications. that shubankar has been a professor in so many countries only shows how highly is he is rated globally. people get phds because they don't have publications and they are learning how to get them. that's why i am getting one. a simple google search will tell you that shubankar isn't getting a phd - instead he is supervising phd students. here you can nominate assessors for your phd dissertation and i plan to nominate him as one of them.
ugc is free is have whatever rules it wants. people like shubankar are free to ignore them
Guest 18 Oct 2019, 09:05
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You think most of the people giving gyan here actually have any idea about the academic world and the practices involved? Those who do would rarely waste time delivering anonymous criticisms against others whom they know precious little about.
Ahem Brahmasmi 18 Oct 2019, 15:17
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Padhai kadne ke liye aur Shiksha dene ke liye Balidan dena hoga!

https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/up-govt-bans-use-of-mobile-phones-in-college-universities-149052
Guest 18 Oct 2019, 16:41
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Good, why stop there? I say every person who supports this government of oafs should make it their life's mission to go without phones and Internet in their daily lives. I for one think the world and the country would be a much better place as a result.
Guest 18 Oct 2019, 17:08
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The comments here subtly casting doubt on young NLU alumni as profs are posted by chelas of the traditional tyrant VCs terrified at losing power. In the case of critics of Shubhankar Dam the people posting here are championing those who do not have a single decent journal article, who know zilch about the subjects they teach and who make a living doing chamchangiri 24x7.
Guest 18 Oct 2019, 18:04
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Considering Dam hasn't applied even at his alma mater or NLSIU, I doubt he's interested at this stage to come back though. A pity, we need more people like him down here.
Guest 18 Oct 2019, 19:02
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A lot of people whether inside or outside of NUJS criticize its students for not doing enough and therefore deserving of NKC. Another favourite of these couch pundits is to suggest that PIB should not have been removed. The jury is out on both these points.

I don't intend to bring in "politics" because this https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/congress-leader-sanmoy-banerjee-arrested-in-bengal-party-attacks-mamata-banerjee-2119167 tactic cuts across political divides. It is a bit rich for Congress to complain when you take this into account https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/dark-chapter-worse/294570

I am not getting into examples by others, including the saffron brigade. I only brought up this WB example to underline a point - whenever there is a dominant state interest involved in the affairs of a NLU, student protests have yielded middling results. Of course in some instances, the students may have capitulated early (lack of experience, unity, extreme apathy by the state and/or judiciary etc).

I am reliably told that even when WB was a Red Citadel, the then AGs and state nominees always maintained fair distance. Sure there was politicking to favour folks for jobs, tenders, contracts and many reportedly made fortunes etc. Those are serious issues and probably haunts us even now.

Even with this government, all AGs before KD stayed away from micromanagement. Maybe the state nominees should have scrutinized the actions and omissions of PIB and Co. But KD isn't doing that.

He is actively intervening to ensure placement of apparatchiks; inquiries are killed off or severely diluted (has already happened in a matter involving an alumna); erosion of financial and administrative autonomy; binding NUJS to financially ruinous (but profitable for powers that be in plural ways) projects by ensuring opaque decision-making.

Till date (un)surprsingly, KD was getting active support from judicial nominees. Difficult to predict whether the current political fluidity will necessarily change things.

Again, before comparing us to what NLSIU and HNLU students achieved (kudos to them and hopefully NLUD will also get a good VC), please do consider the role played by the state and its agents as also the SC/HC nominees.
Guest 19 Oct 2019, 07:15
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Returning to NLUD, the students clearly want Prof Mrinal to apply and there is talk that he will now go ahead.
Guest 19 Oct 2019, 08:46
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Unsubstantiated rumours. He wasn't interested till Thursday night.
Guest 19 Oct 2019, 14:53
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Not just unsubstantiated, completely untrue as well. Neither has the student body asked him, nor are there any indications that he has changed his earlier stance of not being interested in the position.
Guest 19 Oct 2019, 16:21
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This is what happens when random anon claims in the guise of facts are allowed to get published here. Any fault for that clearly lies with Kian. What are the chances of every such false claim being countered here by someone who is actually in the know and happens to come across the claim and has the patience to respond?
Befiza 19 Oct 2019, 15:28
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Karma can be a bitch. In 2004 Subankar Dam gave a long very loud rant on how UGC standards and NET/ PHD is needed to curtail the entry of many faculty to NUJS under Madhav Menon who did not have those. At least till 2010 Dam held onto this view and made many snarky remarks (censored) about the then crop of NLU alumni recruited by MP Singh. Now he enjoys people suggesting his name for VC but has realized hes not qualified to even become a lecturer. Lol the irony.
Guest 19 Oct 2019, 16:19
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This is the first time I'm hearing of this. Still having trouble to believe that Dam held this view once, from the few interactions I've had with the guy. But then, all of those were post-2010. However, you're assuming he actually wants to come back. Not sure that's necessarily true, given the state of higher education in the country, let alone at NLUs.
Guest 19 Oct 2019, 17:46
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200% fake news posted by a TMC/Taluk/NKC plant threatened by NLU alumni joining as faculty.
Karma 19 Oct 2019, 19:24
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It's hard to tell what you are smoking. But it must be some powerful stuff. Shubhankar Dam left India in 2005 and has never been part of the system since. The idea he would make any snarky comments about MP Singh is the height of absurdity. Prof Singh offered him a professorship in 2006, a post which was eventually filled by Sudhir 2 years later. Dam has consistently praised all of the changes Prof Singh tried to introduce at NUJS. I know because I was a student then and Prof Singh got him to come and teach a course at NUJS. At every forum he praised Singh for trying to bring changes to the system and support students. As for not being qualified to be a lecturer, you are obviously right
Guest1 20 Oct 2019, 16:09
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Sorry - so Shubhankar dam graduates from nujs in 2005, completes his bcl in 2006 - and is offered the same position that was offered to Sudhir three years later in 2009? After Sudhir has ten years of work experience ? This doesn’t add up no?
Guest 21 Oct 2019, 01:46
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Not the same post, but MP Singh did offer Dam a position when he'd come back around 2007-08.
Guest 19 Oct 2019, 17:52
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In today's Hindu Sudhir has basically come out in support of the NLSIU protests.

https://www.thehindu.com/society/constitutional-and-political-history-must-be-compulsory-says-nlsiu-vice-chancellor-sudhir-krishnaswamy/article29734296.ece
Befiza 20 Oct 2019, 07:59
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Does Sudhir have a choice but to support the protest? Does one bite the hands that got him to his position?
Onlooker 20 Oct 2019, 17:41
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If the NLU's VC does not interfere in the academic/co-curricuar activities of the students, he survives. If the VC does not poke his nose into the affairs of faculty, the VC stays in his chair. If the NLU's VC does not dictate his terms to faculty/students, he remains in his saddle.
So, why are you provoking a VC to oppose the students' protests?
Guest 20 Oct 2019, 17:11
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As VC, Sudhir should not have made the comment to the Hindu supporting the protest. It is irresponsible and partisan and creates a bad atmosphere. The BCI had made a statement that Sudhir's involvement in the protests cannot be ruled out and were mocked for it. Can we call the statement wrong after this?
Guest 21 Oct 2019, 01:48
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Several people pointed out in the comments section earlier that Sudhir would support or at least not oppose something if it suits his interests. That's only human of him. It's not his fault that bhakts are portraying his arrival like the Christ's Second Coming.
Paisa aur Hisab Hamara 20 Oct 2019, 21:27
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Nobody wants witch hunting but why is Sudhir not willing to look behind bushes that matter? https://www.deccanherald.com/city/top-bengaluru-stories/trying-to-reverse-years-of-decline-says-nlsiu-vc-765599.html

It is one thing to say that "I am new and need time to get the facts" and quite another to say lets get forward looking and constructive by papering over how deficits running into crores across an extended number of years happened in the first place.

I am not saying anyone in the old guard is "guilty". But why is Sudhir so keen to let them get off the hook and at best only suggestively mumble that maybe certain constructions may not have been the best application of funds. Is it really just that?

Sure Sudhir is an ex-student and came in very well briefed. And since he really wants to engage with students, isn't it patronizing on his part to assume we "know" nothing. Or is he hinting that we should know and accept "how things really happen" and how feel-good things are what they are: myths.

NUJS students got this done https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nujs-students-win-access-to-1-8gb-of-long-hidden-admin-meeting-minutes-from-madhava-menon-times-to-date-nearly-20190218-9895

RGNUL students are keeping their eyes on the ball https://barandbench.com/rgnul-protests-ao-sp-singh-resgination-rti/ and https://barandbench.com/rgnul-uploads-minutes-ec-gc-meetings-rti-battle/

Given our experience with an opaque EC in recent times, shouldn't we have done something to get access to all such records? Why hasn't Sudhir made all such records available online suo moto? Has he even discussed the idea?

Hamara Paisa, Hamara Hisab (acknowledging of the amazing women of Rajasthan fighting against corruption)

No increase in fees till a special audit is done to tell us how funds got expended to cause multi-crore deficits and were allowed by our venerable EC members.
Guest 21 Oct 2019, 01:44
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You keep venting here. The fee hike is happening. What would you do, protest against the same guy whom you'd begged to join a month back and had protested in favour of?
Guest 28 Oct 2019, 19:18
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I request LI to leak the petition drafted by students to submit to Justice Sistani.
Guest 28 Oct 2019, 19:24
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To which Sistani is going to pay as much attention as if it's another anonymous comment on LI.
Guest 30 Oct 2019, 06:28
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Have they actually submitted such a petition? If they have, that should be easy enough to get. Why would they want to keep it confidential? And how do you keep a document presumably drafted by/ on behalf of 400 odd people, confidential? Does anyone know the general contents?
Guest 28 Oct 2019, 23:11
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Who has applied so far?
Guest 29 Oct 2019, 02:09
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Ernie, Meenie, Minie and Mo.
Guest 29 Oct 2019, 09:20
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Jaswal will surely be VC.
Informer 29 Oct 2019, 11:57
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Some say that FM and KS have also applied. How does that square off with PJS? If FM comes at NLUD will AD finally and formally takeover NALSAR? There is some chatter that AD prefers to remain that power behind the Chair.
Guest 29 Oct 2019, 15:51
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Faizan Mustafa will be better off at NLUD. He is media savvy and ambitious.
Guest 30 Oct 2019, 06:32
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Why is no one mentioning Bimpa as a contender? He'd be horrible of course. But I can totally see him wanting it and having the connections to make it happen. With this government in power, he would want to be in Delhi, in the thick of things. If he wants it, he will get it for sure, whatever other strings PJ and SKDR might want to pull, or even FM.
Guest 5 Nov 2019, 05:29
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Has Sandeep Gopalan applied for the post?
https://sas.piedmontu.edu/faculty-staff/gopalan-dr-sandeep
Guest 5 Nov 2019, 06:11
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No. He balked after seeing all the smog.
Guest 5 Nov 2019, 13:24
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Most likely Nandimath in TNNLU, Jaswal in NLUD.
Guest 29 Feb 2020, 16:11
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Nearly 5 months since the advertisement but still no VC appointed. Something very fishy is going on. Srividhya Raghavan is hands down the best candidate if merit is given preference to seniority, but the TLC lobby is determined to block the appointment by giving more emphasis to seniority. Some Traddis are even posting on LI to smear Srividhya.
Guest 1 Mar 2020, 06:30
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Ok NLUllu.