Year-by-year, nothing really ever changes in aspirants’ law school preferences: NLSIU Bangalore is still the most preferred by Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) takers, with most of the rest of preferences nearly identical to last year’s preferences.*
NLS cookie crumbles a tiny bit?
However, NLSIU’s unequivocal lead has started crumbling a tiny bit: while last year, only three of the top 50 all India ranks did not pick Bangalore, this year NLSIU ‘lost’ 10 in the top 50: ranks 6, 11, 15, 32, 38, 42-46, 52, 63 and 65 did not opt for NLSIU in the general list.
Of those, ranks 11, 15, 52 and 65 opted for Nalsar Hyderabad.
Ranks 44 and 45 went for NLIU Bhopal.
And NUJS Kolkata picked up one 43rd-ranked student.
Those could just be regional fluctuations about students wanting to stay closer to home, or they could signify that for some students there’s really that much anymore to tell the top 3 or 4 most-preferred apart.
NLU Mumbai remains explicably popular
MNLU Mumbai - the third national law school from Maharashtra that was part of the CLAT this year - continued its rollercoaster. Mumbai actually made 7th rank in our Super 30 ranking this year, jumping three spots from last year, and reprising its 7th rank from 2016.
It seems likely that its relative success is mostly a function of its locational advantage in Mumbai.
Super 30 methodology
Our Super 30 is calculated by averaging the top 30 all India general list ranks, excluding any horizontal entry, who opted for each college (to compensate for law schools with larger batches).
However, note that MNLU Mumbai only had 12 general category seats, ranging from 246th to 503rd rank. As in previous years, we have calculated its Super 30 by completing its top 30 with ‘fictional’ ranks 504 to 521.
A similar method was used to compute a Super 30 for Nuals Kochi (28 unreserved seats), NUSRL Ranchi (28 unreserved seats) and MNLU Aurangabad (25 unreserved seats).
Maharashtra’s second NLU, MNLU Nagpur, retained its 14th place since its debut last year, while the latest MNLU in Aurangabad debuted in last place.
Thanks also to CLAT mentor Rajneesh Singh for sharing the base CLAT preference data with us.
Clataclysm 2018 knock-on effects
We hope to do a fuller analysis of the effects that the marks awarded to students had on the CLAT rankings, but at first glance, they did not have a huge impact on toppers at each NLU.
Amongst the Super 30, only a small number entered the top 30 after the corrections in marks that had been decided by the CLAT convenors Nuals Kochin:
- GNLU: one originally 1045th ranked moved to 396th rank, making the top 30
- HNLU: one from 1192th to 517th
- NLUO: 833 to 761
- MNLUN 1179 to 1039, and 1299 to 1866
- TNNLS: 1581 to 1473
There are others in the total list who have made it into an NLU after the upgrade in marks, but we’ll need a bit more time to analyse that if there’s interest.
2018 Super 30 NLU preferences
| 2018 Super 30 score | 2018 Topper Rank | 2018 Cut-off | 2018 Super 30 rank | 2017 Super 30 rank | 2017 Super 30 Score | |
| NLSIU Bangalore | 18 | 1 | 66 | 1 | 1 | 19 |
| Nalsar Hyderabad | 77 | 11 | 137 | 2 | 2 | 76 |
| NUJS Kolkata | 155 | 43 | 260 | 3 | 3 | 144 |
| NLIU Bhopal | 223 | 44 | 390 | 4 | 4 | 229 |
| NLUJ Jodhpur | 242 | 129 | 376 | 5 | 5 | 236 |
| GNLU Gandhinagar | 373 | 142 | 494 | 6 | 6 | 366 |
| MNLU Mumbai | 490 | 246 | 503 | 7+ | 10 | 698 |
| HNLU Raipur | 499 | 401 | 657 | 8- | 7 | 487 |
| RMLNLU Lucknow | 533 | 671 | 354 | 9- | 8 | |
| RGNUL Patiala | 624 | 924 | 358 | 10- | 9 | |
| Nuals Kochi | 704 | 290 | 928 | 11= | 11 | 711 |
| NLUO Cuttack | 777 | 564 | 1167 | 12= | 12 | 758 |
| CNLU Patna | 943 | 718 | 1186 | 13= | 13 | 786 |
| MNLU Nagpur | 1097 | 520 | 1532 | 14= | 14 | 919 |
| NUSRL Ranchi | 1164 | 705 | 1255 | 15= | 15 | 1015 |
| DSNLU Visakhapatnam | 1190 | 223 | 1432 | 16= | 16 | 1048 |
| NLUJA Guwahati | 1332 | 1016 | 1556 | 17= | 17 | 1085 |
| TNNLS Tiruchirappalli | 1403 | 459 | 1571 | 18= | 18 | 1135 |
| MNLU Aurangabad | 1544 | 1254 | 1588 | 19= | N/A | N/A |
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The SC took the right decision. Salute to the SC for not giving in to mob pressure for a retest. Justice has won. Merit has won.
And it is very shameful of you to say that you want to "curse" Honourable SC judges. You are just a student.
1) It is good news that NLSIU lost 10 rankers, even if it be because of location. It shows that the shine is wearing off.
2) However, NLSIU's media hype and lack of negative media coverage means it will still reign supreme for some time. There needs to be more media coverage showing that other law schools are at par and that NLSIU's faculty and infrastructure
are not that good. One wishes LI's fulfils its promise of doing a faculty and infrastructure ranking of NLUs.
3) NLUD and MNLU are destined to rise because of the locational advantage, which will further affect NLSIU. If NLUD joins CLAT, more pullouts will happen.
4) An ideal situation would be that by 2030 only 30 to 40 % choose NLSIU. If everyone hailing from Delhi, Bombay, Hyderabad and Calcutta chooses NLUD, MNLU, NALSAR and NUJS, then the cream of big city kids will be divided across NLUs, instead of being concentrated around NLSIU. Not saying big city kids are better, but their choices can influence others.
1) How many turned down a top tier NLU for NLUD? Can you recalculate the list with the CLAT ranks of those who went for NLUD?
2) How many turned down a lower NLU for JGLS and Symbiosis? Can you recalculate the list with their CLAT ranks?
It would be great if you could please recalculate with this data. This will give the true ranking of the colleges per student preferences.
Have NLU Delhi admissions closed now?
Just quickly looking at the PDFs:
- NLU Delhi merit list 1st rank, is 2nd on NLS allocation list and all India rank (AIR).
- NLU-D 3rd is NLS 3rd AIR
- NLU-D 5th is NLS 28th AIR
- NLU-D 8th is NLS AIR 18
And there are probably many more. Those kids sure have some tough choices to make.
Question I have is - at what point do these get frozen fully? And does NLU Delhi (and other NLUs, for that matter) publish full lists of students names of final admissions, once everything is frozen?
NOTE:
1) It is a student preference ranking, not a reflection of placements, faculty etc.
2) The newest NLU, NLU Uttarakhand may start classes this year and accept CLAT scores. If yes, then it will come at #28 (just after Aurangabad). Jamia will get pushed out.
1) NLSIU Bangalore
2) Nalsar Hyderabad
3) NLU Delhi
4) NUJS Kolkata
5) NLIU Bhopal
6) NLUJ Jodhpur
7) GNLU Gandhinagar
8) Jindal Law School
9) MNLU Mumbai
10) HNLU Raipur
11) RMLNLU Lucknow
12) RGNUL Patiala
13) Nuals Kochi
14) NLUO Cuttack
15) GLC Mumbai
16) HPNLU
17) GGSIP
18) Symbiosis Pune
19) Symbiosis Noida
20) ILS Pune
21) CNLU Patna
22) MNLU Nagpur
23) NUSRL Ranchi
24) DSNLU Visakhapatnam
25) NLUJA Guwahati
26) TNNLS Tiruchirappalli
27) MNLU Aurangabad
28) KIIT
29) Amity Law School Noida
30) Jamia
1) The faculty is good but fees are very high.
2) As a result of the fees, some bright kids are mixed with some really mediocre kids (who essentially buy their way through). Such a wide difference is not there in other NLUs.
Thus, overall, to makes sense to place JGLS at 8, after GNLU. Even Mr Rajneesh Singh said this.
But it will be good to have an chart with CLAT ranks fo JGLS-ites. I know that people have left lower NLUs for it, but not GNLU upwards.
It is really sad that students are being misguided.
So, please don’t be misinformed about NLIU. What you allege might be true for the situation last year, but that person is not the incharge anymore, that itself shows the massive improvement in NLIU, plus in terms of performance in moots, student activities, I’d suggest that you compare both NLIU and NLUJ for last year, you’ll get your answer as to which college is performing better.
Yours,
An informed student
Not to mention your [...] placements.
[...]
for placements do compare statistics of nluj and nliu.
this year as well like everyear NLIU has done better than NLUJ
Regards,
Law student@NALSAR
Anyways, good luck clearing your failed papers.
Nobody can really touch GLC when it comes to winning popularity contests .
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Also there was a degree scam where degrees are awarded on money rather than on clearing exams.
I've also worked in law firms for a bit and I'm surprised you judge folks on the basis of their colleges - that's pretty juvenile.
nliu has done exceptionally this year as well be it mooting or placements. what i think is nluj should not rattle now expecially when they are been outperformed by a NLU from a less prosperous state.
Such a shame you print such false stuff in your brochure and then come defend such lies.
www.quora.com/Between-NLIU-Bhopal-and-NLUJ-which-is-a-better-place-to-study-BA-LLB
Sensible readers are probably more important to us overall (from a business perspective, it's not possible to really correlate one or the other - our life and business would probably be much easier overall, if we didn't have comments at all on LI :).
Re comments, it's really a fine line. Comment 4.1.1 we have already moderated after it was reported by a reader, but even comments such as these can sometimes be useful jumping off points towards more sensible discussions that are useful to aspirants.
E.g., the sensible and arguably useful comment 4.1 wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the arguably somewhat trolly 4.
In comments that are troll-ish or rude but that are not defamatory or personal in nature (as opposed to institutional), we often prefer to err on the side of allowing discussions to take their natural course and see how things develop, rather than trying to be the arbiter of good taste, censorship and decorum from the start. If a discussion threatens to go out of control and degenerates into name-calling, then we'll generally try to keep a lid on it.
Yes, sometimes that means we get the line wrong or nonsense gets published in the comments, but perhaps that is a trade-off worth making in the interest of providing an open enough space where people are not afraid to also address controversial issues or speaking truth to power.
1. A placement ranking based on average salary (law firms and corporates only, no NGOs and lawyers chambers)
2. A placement ranking based on what percent of the class was placed, excluding LLM offers.
3. A ranking of the number of foreign LLM offers received, WITH scholarships and ONLY at the top 25 law schools of the world (per QS ranking or Times ranking)
4. A ranking based on the number of successful UPSC entrants (last three batches to be considered)
5. A ranking of the faculty:student ratio, lower the ratio the better (only full-time faculty to be considered, VC and Registrar excluded)
6. A ranking based on the number of elite international moots won.
7. A ranking of the number of top publications published by full-time faculty (based on last 2 years)
8. A ranking dividing the above number by the total full-time faculty (so that the data is evenly spread out)
9. A ranking based on the number of single rooms offered in the hostel
10. A ranking based on the proximity of the campus to the city centre (closer the better). For the sake of clarity, the city centre location can be defined as the location of the Raj Bhavan of the state (if the city in question is a state capital, which covers 90% of NLUs) or a location commonly associated with the city centre (if the city is not a state capital, e.g. Jodhpur, Kochi)
This will help people make an informed choice.
barandbench.com/clat-2018-gender-ratios-rank-cut-offs-19-nlus/
They also have an interesting tale on gender ratio. Poor show by NSLIU and NUJS.
We should do an update of our earlier article on CLAT gender performance also... www.legallyindia.com/Pre-law-student/girls-did-less-well-in-clat-2015
The full list of 13 is in the article, and the top 50 is more relevant in our case, since we compare it to our historical data of top 50.
1. NLUs are a brand like IIT and will someday be declared as Institutes of National Importance. Having an NLU on your CV means you cleared CLAT and came in the top 2% of a very competitive exam.
2. If you give CLAT a second time, then it is an advantage to be at an NLU than a non-NLU. You will learn the same syllabus as other NLUs and be better prepared.
3. Your peer group will be much better.
4. You will have a sense of confidence.
5. An NLU is cheaper than a private college. So you will save money after 5 years. Even if you give CLAT again and join another college, you will lose less money. Also, you will save more money for a foreign LLM. Isn;tis better to have CNL Patna + foreign LLM on your CV than just JGLS or Symbi, which are known as NLU-reject colleges with rich kids?
1. Location: As if JGLS is not remote? It is in a remote, unsafe village in Haryana that is 1.5 to 2 hours away from Delhi by car. NLIU is much closer to the city than JGLS is. And NUJS is in Calcutta proper.
2. Campus politics: You've had issues with rape and sexual harassment among students, faculty members have been sacked for inappropriate conduct and Raya Sarkar has openly levelled allegations against a faculty member for sexual harassment. And don't tell me all your professors are great. The quality is uneven.
3. Foreign universities: Let's do a headcount and see how many JGLS people made it to top law schools with scholarships (With so much spoon-feeding from professors) versus other NLUs (who had no one to help them). Even among non-scholarship wallahs, let's do a comparison.
4. Exchange programmes: Granted, this is one area where you are ahead. NLU students get fewer opportunities. However, your students go on exchange programmes paying fees. If I want to experience a good foreign university, I can exercise the option of attending a summer programme (which is open to all) and pay fees. Quite a few NLU kids do this.
So how exactly do NLU kids lose out??
1. Sexual harassment is everywhere sadly. Mr Justice A.K.Ganguly accused of sexual harassment was a professor at same NUJS. Officials of NUJS are suspended for sexual harassment. The online notice against former VC accused him of not taking action against sexual harassment of girl students and security guards watching CCTV footage of girl students. So its not like NUJS is some safe haven. Actually that ways despite being in "safe" Bengal NUJS has more sexual and other violence issues than JGLS which is in "unsafe" Haryana.
2. Professors job is to spoon feed. At least JGLS professors do that. But what do NUJS professors do? All I read about is the famous book review by 1 professor and plagiarism by other professors. That ways JGLS professors help students more. For your information many JGLS students get to the same top universities and that is increasing. First batch of JGLS is 11 year behind NUJS anyways so obviously comparison can be made after few more years.
3. Summer programs are very different from semester exchange. So its stupid to talk about that.
1. All the three instances you have mentioned, actual action has been taken against the accused by your very own admission (including the VC, who got removed due to student intervention, which would never happen at someplace like JGLS, since it requires students to actually take up responsibility). I don't see similar action taken on all related allegations at JGLS.
2. "Professor's job is to spoon feed." - Really? I didn't know that. Clearly, the spoon feeding by your professors didn't go very well for you. If all you read about NUJS faculty members is the book review and plagiarism (both charges having actually been against a single person so far), then it simply shows that all you read are Legally India comments and doesn't augur well for your future. The only thing one reads about JGLS in the mainstream media are usually promotional matters filled with glorious half-truths (and rape and drug charges so far). Didn't your university administration had the temerity to actually claim they got the BEST placement of all law schools this year (later they had to sneakily remove the news item from their website when it was challenged)? Maybe the admin has been using the drug just like the students.
3. That they are. There is one thing common to both though, people who can afford those usually get through regardless of much consideration for merit.
There's a simple metric to figure what all from the university actually contributes to a student's legal education. With whatever additional 'resources' JGLS provides, it is not as if the students there are actually turning out to be ostensibly better than those from top-tier NLUs. Therefore, the actual contribution of those additional resources towards what students go to the university for (viz. to get educated), is actually negligible to the point of non-existence.
1) NALSAR
2) NLUD
3) NLSIU
4) NUJS
5) NLUJ
6) NLIU
7) GNLU
8) RMLNLU
9) RGNUL
10) NLUO
- NLUJ should be above NLIU
- MNLU should be below HNLU, RMLNLU, GNUL, NUALS and NLUO
- NLUO should be above NUALS
- DSNLU should be above CNLU
- Aurangabad should be above Trichy and Guwahati
- Bottom 2 should be Patna and Ranchi
- NALSAR and NLUD keep working hard and improving: better placements, admin, faculty etc.
- Lethargy and complacency at NLSIU continues
- 50% Domicile reservation is implemented, in addition to SC/ST reservation (it will be the biggest blow)
- Regionalism and nepotism in NLSIU faculty hiring continues, alumni kept out as faculty
- Not more than 2 Rhodes scholars from NLSIU over next 2 years, other NLUs get it.
- Magic Circle placements decline
- NALSAR wins Jessup twice, NLSIU has a dry spell
- Real picture of bad state of affairs at NLSIU is exposed by the media. Other NLUs get the positive media hype they deserve.
- NIRF ranking is made more objective: more weightage to placements and faculty research. NLSIU will surely fall.
- Karnataka govt reduces funds
- Maharashtra govt flushes MNLU with funds, Delhi does it to NLUD
- NLUD gets a good VC to succeed Ranbir Singh.
- At NLSIU the next VC is Ishwara Bhat or someone like that.
I hope the English and Maths are now clear enough, even for you. Law students these days are getting denser than ever!
www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2018/law-legal-studies
www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/subject-ranking/law#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats
Where is the so-called "Harvard of the East" in Bengaluru? Nowhere! The top ranked Asian universities are NUS Singapore (#13 in QS, #30 in Times) and Hong Kong University (# 19 in QS, #18 in Times). So let us please cut the crap and refer to Singapore or Hong Kong as Harvard of the East, instead of the impostor in Nagarbhavi.
www.change.org/p/vc-nujs-edu-revoke-suspension-of-odl-courses-of-nujs-with-immediate-effect-and-save-student-careers/c
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1. Appointment of a renowned political science professor and award winning singer as top admin person. She is a breath of fresh air in the inefficient and corrupt admin of earlier regime. On academic front her course has lowest number of fails.
2. Appointment of hon'ble VC who is also a relative of hon'ble faculty member. Now bond between VC and students will be strengthened and they will be like family.
3. Stopping down of false and fake distance education course which was violative of UGC regulation and which was bringing bad name to NUJS
4. Stopping of false "centres" in NUJS which were den of vice and immoral work. It is well known fact that they subjugated students and were committing wrongs.
5. Appointment of new hon'ble registrar who is very dedicated from high court and who is very efficient compared to earlier inefficient VC and registrar.
6. Innumberable initiatives to boost upgradation of campus and major works for benefit of students.
7. probe against people illegally appointed during tenure of previous VCs. It is well known fact that several teachers teaching important subjects like labour law were appointed to permanent position without UGC requirement.
8. Getting rid of foreign educated faculty. It is well known fact that faculty with indian qualification are more supererior and more in touch with indian law.
9. Hiring only bengalis and bengal-educated faculty which is good for regional growth & development.
10. Making students honarary members of EC, GC, other bodies so that functioning of NUJS is democratic and efficient.
Once again thanks to intervention of hon'ble EC members NUJS will rise from ashes to become the WORLD BEATERS.
1. NLSIU is slowly falling from its undisputed #1 position. It was unthinkable 10 years ago to think that people may turn down NLSIU and that NLSIU may not be #1 someday. Today, it is not unthinkable any more.
2. As the survey by Prof Sidharth Chauhan has pointed out, faculty is a very important factor in choosing a law school. This, rather than location, explains why NLUD has overtaken NUJS. I hope NUJS students stop getting so angry and instead admit that their college has declined because of the reign of the last VC. It is a matter of record there was a faculty exodus and some teachers actually joined NLUD.
Tier 1
NLUD>NALSAR>NLSIU>NUJS
Tier 2
GNLU>MNLU>JGLS>NLIU>NLUJ
1. Having one star faculty and Ivy League faculty in a pool of average to mediocre faculty makes little difference. Ultimately, it is the VC who decides the vision. Also, there are other law schools in India with alumni of top US and UK law schools.
2. Re QS rankings, if you check the website they have been doing the ranking for Law since 2015. NLSIU has never featured. They now rank up to 300. NLSIU is not even in the list of 300. The reason is that QS gives only points for: 1) Publications, 2) H-Index of publications, 3) Academic Reputation and 4) Employer reputation. Categories 1 and 2 are solely reliant on faculty quality, while categories 3 and 4 are solely reliant on student quality. You do very well in the latter, but poorly in the former. You cannot expect to be "Harvard of the East" and overtake Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Peking etc when only 2 out of 4 engines are firing.
As a counter example, Jindal university is the opposite of NLS, in that the student quality is poor but faculty quality is high (ironically, most are alumni of NLSIU and other NLUs) . If you check the QS rankings for BRICS universities (which is less prestigious), Jindal scrapes through to the lower tier of the ranking. This is solely on the strength of faculty publications. But despite having an army of faculty who publish day and night, Jindal still cannot make it to the QS law school ranking or the upper tier of the BRICS ranking, because like NLSIU it ticks only 2 out of 4 boxes.
Thus, the lesson is that you have to be a good law school all around and excel in all 4 categories to claim that you are the "Harvard of the East". Until then, it is foolish and arrogant to claim that you are superior to Singapore, Hong Kong etc.
I suggest that as a collective, we must underscore the goal of breaking into QS rankings. Of course, we are justifiably proud of Ministry of Human Resources Development’s NIRF rankings, but let NIRF act as a stepping stone towards a greater end, rather than an end in itself.
- Rahul Singh
www.sociolegalreview.com/a-plausible-road-map-to-nlsius-future/
@Kian: Can you throw any light here? Because if you can't, then I must request you to remove those claims, since there is no other way of testing their veracity.
2 left nalsar for st.stephens
And 1 left nalsar for BHU(He had a few personal reasons for that choice)
So only 8 students chose nlud over nalsar
Compared to around 14-15 students at nalsar who also got into nlud this year
My friend in the batch of 2023 at nalsar has given me this information
1) NLSIU Bangalore / Nalsar Hyderabad
2) NLU Delhi/ NUJS Kolkata / JGLS (if fee not an issue)
3) NLIU Bhopal/NLUJ Jodhpur/ GNLU Gandhinagar
4)HNLU Raipur/RMLNLU Lucknow/ RGNUL Patiala /Nuals Kochi/ NLUO Cuttack/ MNLU Mumbai
5) GLC Mumbai/ILS Pune/Symbiosis Pune
6) CNLU Patna/ NUSRL Ranchi/ Nirma Ahmedabad/ Symbiosis Noida/ Christ Bangalore/ GGSIPU Campus Delhi
7) MNLU Nagpur/ DSNLU Visakhapatnam/ NLUJA Guwahati/ HPNLU Shimla/ TNNLS Tiruchirappalli / KIIT Bhubaneswar
8) MNLU Aurangabad/ NLU Jabalpur/ BHU Varanasi/ Jamia Delhi/ AMU Aligarh/ ULC Bangalore / SOEL Chennai/ GLC Chennai/ PU Chandigarh
9) Amity Noida/ VIPS Delhi/ Bennett Greater Noida/ UPES Dehradun/DES Pune/ Bharti Vidyapeeth Pune/ NMIMS Mumbai
10) Allahabad University/ Lucknow University/ SASTRA Tanjavur/ VIT Chennai/BILS Bangalore/ Osmania Hyderabad/ etc.
1) Patna and Ranchi should be ranked lower.
2) TNNLS is a mess. Should be lower.
The top 7 would be Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Kolkata, Delhi, Jodhpur, Bhopal, Gandhinagar...
I'm talking about student performance in all spheres, not simply placement. I thought that's what counts for a university most of all. If everything else against them, NUJS students are still doing as good as anybody else, what does that tell you about the weightage that any other factors should be given?
To modify your own example, if on an average, students of NALSAR get TCs at the same frequency and with the same ease as students of Oxford, then logic dictates that the universities must be contributing in an comparable manner to both sets of students. Make your example average based rather individual based and you will have your answer. Unless you are saying that students who are entering NALSAR are inherently smarter and better than those entering Oxford and hence can produce same output with less resources.
What good is faculty quality on pen and paper if it can't result into any discernible difference in graduate quality? The main purpose of law school is to educate students, or at least when a student is choosing law school, that's what should be the basis for choice.
Jindal doesn't need any PR as a law school, you know that. JGLS is at least three to four times bigger the size of any NLU in India both in terms of Faculty members and the students. Please have some mutual respect.
Whichever NLU you come from, you are nowhere close. Thanks
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