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2018 CLAT preferences: Same same • NLS ‘loses’ a few more • NLU Mumbai popular again • Clataclysm gave a few bumps

Which NLU is most beloved by CLATters? Few surprises again this year...Which NLU is most beloved by CLATters? Few surprises again this year...

Year-by-year, nothing really ever changes in aspirants’ law school preferences: NLSIU Bangalore is still the most preferred by Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) takers, with most of the rest of preferences nearly identical to last year’s preferences.*

NLS cookie crumbles a tiny bit?

However, NLSIU’s unequivocal lead has started crumbling a tiny bit: while last year, only three of the top 50 all India ranks did not pick Bangalore, this year NLSIU ‘lost’ 10 in the top 50: ranks 6, 11, 15, 32, 38, 42-46, 52, 63 and 65 did not opt for NLSIU in the general list.

Of those, ranks 11, 15, 52 and 65 opted for Nalsar Hyderabad.

Ranks 44 and 45 went for NLIU Bhopal.

And NUJS Kolkata picked up one 43rd-ranked student.

Those could just be regional fluctuations about students wanting to stay closer to home, or they could signify that for some students there’s really that much anymore to tell the top 3 or 4 most-preferred apart.

NLU Mumbai remains explicably popular

MNLU Mumbai - the third national law school from Maharashtra that was part of the CLAT this year - continued its rollercoaster. Mumbai actually made 7th rank in our Super 30 ranking this year, jumping three spots from last year, and reprising its 7th rank from 2016.

It seems likely that its relative success is mostly a function of its locational advantage in Mumbai.

Super 30 methodology

Our Super 30 is calculated by averaging the top 30 all India general list ranks, excluding any horizontal entry, who opted for each college (to compensate for law schools with larger batches).

However, note that MNLU Mumbai only had 12 general category seats, ranging from 246th to 503rd rank. As in previous years, we have calculated its Super 30 by completing its top 30 with ‘fictional’ ranks 504 to 521.

A similar method was used to compute a Super 30 for Nuals Kochi (28 unreserved seats), NUSRL Ranchi (28 unreserved seats) and MNLU Aurangabad (25 unreserved seats).

Maharashtra’s second NLU, MNLU Nagpur, retained its 14th place since its debut last year, while the latest MNLU in Aurangabad debuted in last place.

Thanks also to CLAT mentor Rajneesh Singh for sharing the base CLAT preference data with us.

Clataclysm 2018 knock-on effects

We hope to do a fuller analysis of the effects that the marks awarded to students had on the CLAT rankings, but at first glance, they did not have a huge impact on toppers at each NLU.

Amongst the Super 30, only a small number entered the top 30 after the corrections in marks that had been decided by the CLAT convenors Nuals Kochin:

  • GNLU: one originally 1045th ranked moved to 396th rank, making the top 30
  • HNLU: one from 1192th to 517th
  • NLUO: 833 to 761
  • MNLUN 1179 to 1039, and 1299 to 1866
  • TNNLS: 1581 to 1473

There are others in the total list who have made it into an NLU after the upgrade in marks, but we’ll need a bit more time to analyse that if there’s interest.

2018 Super 30 NLU preferences

2018 Super 30 score 2018 Topper Rank 2018 Cut-off 2018 Super 30 rank 2018 Super 30 rank 2017 Super 30 Score
NLSIU Bangalore 18 1 66 1 1 19
Nalsar Hyderabad 77 11 137 2 2 76
NUJS Kolkata 155 43 260 3 3 144
NLIU Bhopal 223 44 390 4 4 229
NLUJ Jodhpur 242 129 376 5 5 236
GNLU Gandhinagar 373 142 494 6 6 366
MNLU Mumbai 490 246 503 7+ 10 698
HNLU Raipur 499 401 657 8- 7 487
RMLNLU Lucknow 533 671 354 9- 8
RGNUL Patiala 624 924 358 10- 9
Nuals Kochi 704 290 928 11= 11 711
NLUO Cuttack 777 564 1167 12= 12 758
CNLU Patna 943 718 1186 13= 13 786
MNLU Nagpur 1097 520 1532 14= 14 919
NUSRL Ranchi 1164 705 1255 15= 15 1015
DSNLU Visakhapatnam 1190 223 1432 16= 16 1048
NLUJA Guwahati 1332 1016 1556 17= 17 1085
TNNLS Tiruchirappalli 1403 459 1571 18= 18 1135
MNLU Aurangabad 1544 1254 1588 19= N/A N/A

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Like +7 Object -4 suk_0503 28 Jun 18, 17:52
I got 92 marks in clat 2018 but GRC i don't know how realised that i didnt lost any second on time in exam and so didnt gave me a single no. And this is not only with me..None of my friends got a single extra marks. Even a 798 rank one. This exam was totally shit and non competetive...All i want is to curse NUALS, GRC and SC judges...
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Like +9 Object -30 Guest 28 Jun 18, 18:27  troll?  controversial
Just stop your whining. You people moaned day and night on social media about a retest, you went to Supreme Court etc. In the end it was revealed that students will very low ranks were petitioning for a retest as an excuse for their bad performance. People like Vensy Krishna who were instigating everyone on Twitter for a retest have fallen silent.

The SC took the right decision. Salute to the SC for not giving in to mob pressure for a retest. Justice has won. Merit has won.

And it is very shameful of you to say that you want to "curse" Honourable SC judges. You are just a student.
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Like +13 Object -1 Political Analyst 28 Jun 18, 19:40  interesting  top rated
So what if he/she is a student. Freedom of expression is available to students too.
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Like +5 Object -5 suk_0503 28 Jun 18, 20:21  controversial
Oh wow..how can you justify their decision.what had happened to those who were given extra time for solving..they looked at only a part of problem..they said that complaints are less in number..but gave only 1 day for sending grievance...how did they calculate the notional time loss...u know..?? No.have u seen the revised result..i did.and guess what extra marks were allotted to only those...whose ranks wouldn't mattered at all.. You're no one to comment on me. Coz u don't know how much i suffered whole 1 year i prepared for that day...and guess what...my computer didn't started at all..U will know the feeling when your own child will suffer through this.(wish it doesn't happen).
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Like +4 Object -6 Guest 29 Jun 18, 09:13
Very bad attitude. If you are so good then why did you not clear AILET? Did you also get into Symbi or JGLS ?
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Like +6 Object -3 suk_0503 29 Jun 18, 16:21
Not every person can afford the fee structure of JGLS OR SYMBIOSIS.I am not good but there was no transparency at all in this exam.I'm not the only one aggreived here...Come on twitter or i'll let you talk to some of who were really trying too hard for this. But glitches...have u seen how they alloted the extra marks..They add only to them whom's rank doesn't make a diifernce. This is murder of the spirit of competition.You'll never know why the way. Someday sometime u will feel cheated too...Then u'll have no right to complain.Bcoz today u aren't standing by the side of truth..
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Like +12 Object -6 Random 28 Jun 18, 18:10  interesting  controversial
A very useful article. My two cents worth:

1) It is good news that NLSIU lost 10 rankers, even if it be because of location. It shows that the shine is wearing off.

2) However, NLSIU's media hype and lack of negative media coverage means it will still reign supreme for some time. There needs to be more media coverage showing that other law schools are at par and that NLSIU's faculty and infrastructure
are not that good. One wishes LI's fulfils its promise of doing a faculty and infrastructure ranking of NLUs.

3) NLUD and MNLU are destined to rise because of the locational advantage, which will further affect NLSIU. If NLUD joins CLAT, more pullouts will happen.

4) An ideal situation would be that by 2030 only 30 to 40 % choose NLSIU. If everyone hailing from Delhi, Bombay, Hyderabad and Calcutta chooses NLUD, MNLU, NALSAR and NUJS, then the cream of big city kids will be divided across NLUs, instead of being concentrated around NLSIU. Not saying big city kids are better, but their choices can influence others.
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Like +8 Object -1 IMP. 28 Jun 18, 18:19  interesting
Can Legally India please tell us the following:

1) How many turned down a top tier NLU for NLUD? Can you recalculate the list with the CLAT ranks of those who went for NLUD?

2) How many turned down a lower NLU for JGLS and Symbiosis? Can you recalculate the list with their CLAT ranks?

It would be great if you could please recalculate with this data. This will give the true ranking of the colleges per student preferences.
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Like +8 Object -17 ThePhantom 28 Jun 18, 18:35  controversial
Yes Kian has no other work in life apart from going through the clat nlud and other stupid lists to satiate your dumb irrelevant questions. If you pay him for that it might be a totally different matter.
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Like +4 Object -1 kianganz 29 Jun 18, 12:16 LI subscriber
I'd actually been hoping to be able to do that one day, but you're right, it's quite a laborious exercise.

Have NLU Delhi admissions closed now?

Just quickly looking at the PDFs:

- NLU Delhi merit list 1st rank, is 2nd on NLS allocation list and all India rank (AIR).
- NLU-D 3rd is NLS 3rd AIR
- NLU-D 5th is NLS 28th AIR
- NLU-D 8th is NLS AIR 18

And there are probably many more. Those kids sure have some tough choices to make.

Question I have is - at what point do these get frozen fully? And does NLU Delhi (and other NLUs, for that matter) publish full lists of students names of final admissions, once everything is frozen?
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Like +4 Object -1 Guest 29 Jun 18, 15:02
Thanks, Kian. Very interesting. It means that AILET and CLAT toppers are almost the same. This strengthens the case for including NLUD in CLAT. It is very unfortunate that Prof Basheer excluded this from his PIL.
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Like +1 Object -1 Observer 01 Jul 18, 10:59
50 general seats were filled by the first 83 after spot counselling. It also appears that 6 nls will join nlud. Last year It was only 2. Nlujs is not the choice over nlud in last two years trend. Comparison can be drawn in between nalsar and nlud. Last year 5 students left nalsar for nlud. How many left nlud for nalsar could not be assessed. This data will throw some light on the choices of students. One thing is certain that nls is going to lose 15 to 20 students by nest year.
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Like +19 Object -17 Statistician 28 Jun 18, 20:13  controversial
Here is the full student preference ranking, including NLUD and others (in bold). In all, the top 30 colleges are listed. The data is based on unofficial sources and expert analysis.

NOTE:

1) It is a student preference ranking, not a reflection of placements, faculty etc.

2) The newest NLU, NLU Uttarakhand may start classes this year and accept CLAT scores. If yes, then it will come at #28 (just after Aurangabad). Jamia will get pushed out.

1) NLSIU Bangalore
2) Nalsar Hyderabad
3) NLU Delhi
4) NUJS Kolkata
5) NLIU Bhopal
6) NLUJ Jodhpur
7) GNLU Gandhinagar
8) Jindal Law School
9) MNLU Mumbai
10) HNLU Raipur
11) RMLNLU Lucknow
12) RGNUL Patiala
13) Nuals Kochi
14) NLUO Cuttack
15) GLC Mumbai
16) HPNLU
17) GGSIP
18) Symbiosis Pune
19) Symbiosis Noida
20) ILS Pune
21) CNLU Patna
22) MNLU Nagpur
23) NUSRL Ranchi
24) DSNLU Visakhapatnam
25) NLUJA Guwahati
26) TNNLS Tiruchirappalli
27) MNLU Aurangabad
28) KIIT
29) Amity Law School Noida
30) Jamia
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Like +11 Object -4 Guest 28 Jun 18, 21:17  interesting
Considering CLAT hasn't released any rank list or allotment list, exactly how anyone is coming up with this data is beyond comprehension. Mostly these are products of fertile imagination, I'd say.
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Like +3 Object -1 Guest 29 Jun 18, 08:55
Friend, you have excluded UPES and Bennet University, which should replace KIIT and Jamia.
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Like +10 Object -1 Strong maal 29 Jun 18, 15:15  interesting
In what alternate dimension does a student choose Bennett over KIIT or Jamia, is your garden finally bearing leaves
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Like +9 Object -11 JGLS 2018 Candidate 29 Jun 18, 12:06  controversial
Thank you. But I was told that 3 students left NUJS in first merit list last year to join Jindal. Also, many prefer Jindal over NLIU, NLU Jodhpur and GNLU. Is that true? Don't you think JGLS should be 5th after NUJS?
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Like +8 Object -2 Guest 29 Jun 18, 15:04  interesting
Well, JGLS is a mixed case because:

1) The faculty is good but fees are very high.

2) As a result of the fees, some bright kids are mixed with some really mediocre kids (who essentially buy their way through). Such a wide difference is not there in other NLUs.


Thus, overall, to makes sense to place JGLS at 8, after GNLU. Even Mr Rajneesh Singh said this.
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Like +12 Object -0 FYI 29 Jun 18, 15:09  interesting  top rated
Please check--- these are students who got 100% scholarships for JGLS and thus left for that reason. I can even name two of them.

But it will be good to have an chart with CLAT ranks fo JGLS-ites. I know that people have left lower NLUs for it, but not GNLU upwards.
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Like +9 Object -0 Jiggles 29 Jun 18, 15:16  interesting
Yes, year on year a (very) small set of students do leave high ranked NLUs to join Jindal. Jindal's PR machinery works overtime and it is bearing fruit. They also have great infra and decent teachers, so it isn't very surprising.
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Like +3 Object -5 expert 30 Jun 18, 14:47
Where is Nirma University? It id getting better preference then may of the NLUs
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Like +0 Object -1 Observer 01 Jul 18, 21:29
6 nls, 11 nalsar and approx 20 from nlujs
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Like +1 Object -2 Guest 02 Jul 18, 05:54
The weed is strong in you.
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Like +16 Object -23 Wrong info 28 Jun 18, 18:31  controversial
Coaching centres and websites are giving totally wrong advice. Bhopal should never rank above Jodhpur. It has better placements and facilities. We also saw how there were protests at Bhopal and how many terrible things were revealed about Bhopal like bribes for marks, casteism etc. Similarly, Patna and Ranchi should be placed right at the end.

It is really sad that students are being misguided.
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Like +25 Object -6 Right info 28 Jun 18, 20:15  interesting  top rated  controversial
It’s really sad that you have such misinformation. Going by your logic, then NUJS also should be ranked below NLUJ, no? Because there were protests on the same counts at NUJS too! Students’ protest does not show any weakness in the institution, in turn, it shows the courage of the student body at that college to stand against any sort of issues and take the matter into their own hands and right what has been wrong. It shows the unity of the student body that it stands united against all unfairness. The change in the administrations of NUJS and NLIU show the student power and reflect the new sun. NLIU’s bew VC - Prof. Vijayakumar has been building key research capabilities from international organisations, and there are a lot (a lot!) of changes being carried out which are definitely pro-student and any student getting admission there would be very lucky, and this is not something which I’m saying only for saving NLIU’s image, but because it is true, in all respects.

So, please don’t be misinformed about NLIU. What you allege might be true for the situation last year, but that person is not the incharge anymore, that itself shows the massive improvement in NLIU, plus in terms of performance in moots, student activities, I’d suggest that you compare both NLIU and NLUJ for last year, you’ll get your answer as to which college is performing better.

Yours,

An informed student
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Like +4 Object -11 Informed student 2 28 Jun 18, 21:35
Isn't the NLIU degree itself questionable [...]
Not to mention your [...] placements.
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Like +6 Object -0 Review 29 Jun 18, 16:03  interesting
well the placements have been at a record rate. and yes there have been some problem with the allocation of degrees but i guess all institutions in this country face some problem. the erstwhile director was corrupt and it was his administration that made these faults. with a new administration nliu look even more promising than ever before.
for placements do compare statistics of nluj and nliu.
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Like +11 Object -3 NLUJ v. NLIU placement 29 Jun 18, 16:14  interesting
the debate of whether NLIU is better than NLUj has already been solved and presented with facts.
this year as well like everyear NLIU has done better than NLUJ
Regards,
Law student@NALSAR
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Like +4 Object -2 Nliuite 30 Jun 18, 13:22
Yeah right like 70 percent of the class failing and chronic ragging with neglible placements.Being a student of nliu nluj is anyday better than nliu.
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Like +2 Object -1 Nliuite 2 30 Jun 18, 20:37
You’re not a student of NLIU. Stop pretending to be NLIU student and throwing dirt at other institution under the cloak of anonymity.
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Like +3 Object -4 Guest 30 Jun 18, 21:15
If you consider moots then NLUO is ahead of NLIU.
Anyways, good luck clearing your failed papers.
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Like +10 Object -1 Guest 28 Jun 18, 18:45  interesting
It is very unfair that NLU Aurangabad and Nagpur are in the CLAT committee. It should be 1 per state. A PIL should be filed.
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Like +9 Object -8 GLC hater 29 Jun 18, 09:06  controversial
GLC is a joke. Students don't attend classes and just do internships. In this way they steal jobs from NLU students. It's sad how you attend college without the fun of college life like a community of friends, extra curriculars, good lectures, class discussions etc.
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Like +11 Object -2 Really? 29 Jun 18, 15:19  interesting
Jobs aren't "Stolen". You want NLU students to be hired just because they're from NLUs? I've seen NLU kids not be able to find Government notifications because all their knowledge came from an Avtar Singh they crammed for their minors. Firms will definitely take real world experience into count before hiring students.
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Like +7 Object -1 DB9 28 Jun 18, 19:44  interesting
'NLU Mumbai remains explicably popular'! This statement is based on what??.. just location!
Nobody can really touch GLC when it comes to winning popularity contests .
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 28 Jun 18, 20:41
How can the topper rank be more than the super 30 score of any institute ?
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Like +5 Object -7 Guest 28 Jun 18, 20:45  controversial
this is true NLIU day zero was quite poor from what I've h
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Like +4 Object -4 Anonymous1234 28 Jun 18, 21:25
It was exceptionally poor with favouritism in helping students get placements rather than merit. Even the top rankers failed to get a job.
Also there was a degree scam where degrees are awarded on money rather than on clearing exams.
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Like +30 Object -2 Visitor 28 Jun 18, 23:38  interesting  top rated
From what I have gleaned over some years - with my experience of working in law firms - NLU Jodhpur students are largely average. Placement figures at NLU Jodhpur are mostly due a certain firm hiring in dozens. The said hiring has more to do with the management bias of that firm. That the firm is on a downward spiral for half a decade now is a reflection of the choices made. So the placement figures of Jodhpur hardly tells the story. The infrastructure is not half as good as the one they compare with. The faculty is below average. Campus life sucks! So Jodhpur should feel lucky that they are in top 5.
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Like +3 Object -4 lol 29 Jun 18, 23:29
the comment was about nliu but somehow the thread became about the shortcomings of nluj even though there was no mention of it in the original comment. itna inferiority complex kyu, mere bhai?
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Like +2 Object -3 Campus Life 01 Jul 18, 21:18
Bro, all else aside, the campus life of NLU is easily the best. Other law school-ites doesn't nearly love their college as much (apart from zealous kids on LI).

I've also worked in law firms for a bit and I'm surprised you judge folks on the basis of their colleges - that's pretty juvenile.
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Like +2 Object -3 Review 29 Jun 18, 16:04
from what i have heard it was better than NLUJ.
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Like +3 Object -3 Guest 29 Jun 18, 20:35
From what I have heard, it's not.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 29 Jun 18, 09:01
The rank of topper and cutoff rank ov RMLNLU is incorrect.
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Like +3 Object -9 Baffled 29 Jun 18, 09:04
Barring NUJS, NLUJ is the only other NLU to have been established by an en-NLSIU VC (NL Mitra). It has outperformed NLIU in placements and mooting, and also has superior faculty, infrastructure and international tie-ups. Then, as a city Jodhpur is better, while Rajasthan is economically stronger and many big business families of India are originally from Rajasthan. It is just baffling how NLIU is preferred among students. School students are totally ignorant and misguided.
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Like +8 Object -1 Review 29 Jun 18, 16:06  interesting
i guess the only person ignorant and misguided and " BAffled" is you. NLUJ has no mooting achivements this year not even close to nliu in placements.
nliu has done exceptionally this year as well be it mooting or placements. what i think is nluj should not rattle now expecially when they are been outperformed by a NLU from a less prosperous state.
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Like +1 Object -3 Guest 29 Jun 18, 20:30
The placements are shameful for the 2019 batch. If you want to counter this please make public your ludicrous DAY 0 stats.
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Like +7 Object -1 NLUJ v. NLIU placement 29 Jun 18, 16:10  interesting
the only reason NLUJ has more number of placements is becoz they dont have a bar on the amount the company has to pay in order to recruit from NLUJ however in NLIU the bar is 10 lakhs and above as a result there are 100% placements along with good quality of packages.
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Like +0 Object -3 Guest 29 Jun 18, 20:28
The bar is not 10 lakhs. They are even inviting LPO's which pay lower so that people get placed.
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Like +1 Object -2 Fake news 30 Jun 18, 13:41
Yes. The bar is 10LPA see the placement brochure you dumb fellow
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Like +0 Object -2 Guest 30 Jun 18, 21:12
Why don't you check with your own RCC orientation group? They have clearly stated the LPO coming is offering 6-7 lakhs.
Such a shame you print such false stuff in your brochure and then come defend such lies.
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Like +1 Object -8 Guest 29 Jun 18, 09:12
Post on Quora on NLUJ vs NLIU. Even a student of NLIU is saying chose NLUJ.

www.quora.com/Between-NLIU-Bhopal-and-NLUJ-which-is-a-better-place-to-study-BA-LLB
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Like +11 Object -1 Guest 34 29 Jun 18, 11:10  interesting
Today, I can post as NLUJ student ask say choose NLIU. Will it be sufficient? Hiding behind anonymity and acting as NLIU student doesn’t make any comment genuine, right?
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Like +6 Object -7 Concerned Reader 29 Jun 18, 11:23  controversial
Kian, this same thing continues in the comments section. Insinuation, diatribe and vitriol against institutions made in anonymous fashion against institutions by a bunch of cowards who has little constructive work to do. They serve no positive objective whatsoever. See comments 4, 4.1.1, 8.1 and 8.2 for example. While you are not posting them, you are still allowing them in the garb of free speech. I'd told you about this before and I'm telling you again. This is the sort of thing that's actually eroding the sensible reader base of LI gradually. Although given we are distinctly a minority, that may not matter much from business perspective. I'm sorry to say that this is the last time I'm visiting this portal and any institution that I happen to be associated with from now on will be advised by me to dissociate themselves from LI too, given it is degenerating fast into a gossip rag this way and only seems to serve as a place for people to vent their individual frustration. I hope for the sake of the forum, which has achieved quite a bit in the past, that you pay some heed to this.
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Like +2 Object -2 kianganz 29 Jun 18, 12:00 LI subscriber
Hi, thanks for your feedback.

Sensible readers are probably more important to us overall (from a business perspective, it's not possible to really correlate one or the other - our life and business would probably be much easier overall, if we didn't have comments at all on LI :).

Re comments, it's really a fine line. Comment 4.1.1 we have already moderated after it was reported by a reader, but even comments such as these can sometimes be useful jumping off points towards more sensible discussions that are useful to aspirants.

E.g., the sensible and arguably useful comment 4.1 wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the arguably somewhat trolly 4.

In comments that are troll-ish or rude but that are not defamatory or personal in nature (as opposed to institutional), we often prefer to err on the side of allowing discussions to take their natural course and see how things develop, rather than trying to be the arbiter of good taste, censorship and decorum from the start. If a discussion threatens to go out of control and degenerates into name-calling, then we'll generally try to keep a lid on it.

Yes, sometimes that means we get the line wrong or nonsense gets published in the comments, but perhaps that is a trade-off worth making in the interest of providing an open enough space where people are not afraid to also address controversial issues or speaking truth to power.
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Like +3 Object -1 Guest 29 Jun 18, 15:06
Kian, this guy/girl is too sensitive. People are just quoting from Quora here. Quora did not censor it. An NLIU student himself said these things on Quora.
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Like +1 Object -1 Concerned Reader 29 Jun 18, 16:17
Because of readers like you, obviously, who fail to read a comment properly other than juicy gossipy bits. Otherwise you would have seen that nowhere have I pointed my fingers at the Quora post, nor mentioned it in my list of examples. The ones I've pointed out are those who are insulting institutions directly in the garb of anonymity, saying their degrees are fake, their students are mediocre, or get jobs because of favors and not merit etc. Anybody who says such things, whether true otherwise should have the decency to take up responsibility for such claims by using their own names at the best least. At least that's how decent people should behave. If you are not one of them, then I really don't need any validation of my sensitivity from you.
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Like +2 Object -1 Guest 29 Jun 18, 12:04
People are just quoting from the post on Quora about NLIU. So take out your frustration on Quora. Also, what is wrong is saying that NLUJ has better placements? Please see the posts by LI itself.
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Like +3 Object -2 Concerned Reader 29 Jun 18, 16:20
Zero problem with saying NLUJ has amazing placements. Huge problem with anonymous claims that NLIU gives fake degrees en mass, or NLUJ students are mediocre in general and can't get job through merit. I hope you do see the point. Otherwise, I don't really care. I'm not from either institution, but I won't encourage anonymous mud slinging at them either.
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Like +5 Object -1 Antman 29 Jun 18, 11:58
Every year, law school aspirants should be given 10 sets of rankings of different NLUs regarding the parameter below. Then, a consolidated ranking out of 100 (10 marks for each parameter).

1. A placement ranking based on average salary (law firms and corporates only, no NGOs and lawyers chambers)
2. A placement ranking based on what percent of the class was placed, excluding LLM offers.
3. A ranking of the number of foreign LLM offers received, WITH scholarships and ONLY at the top 25 law schools of the world (per QS ranking or Times ranking)
4. A ranking based on the number of successful UPSC entrants (last three batches to be considered)
5. A ranking of the faculty:student ratio, lower the ratio the better (only full-time faculty to be considered, VC and Registrar excluded)
6. A ranking based on the number of elite international moots won.
7. A ranking of the number of top publications published by full-time faculty (based on last 2 years)
8. A ranking dividing the above number by the total full-time faculty (so that the data is evenly spread out)
9. A ranking based on the number of single rooms offered in the hostel
10. A ranking based on the proximity of the campus to the city centre (closer the better). For the sake of clarity, the city centre location can be defined as the location of the Raj Bhavan of the state (if the city in question is a state capital, which covers 90% of NLUs) or a location commonly associated with the city centre (if the city is not a state capital, e.g. Jodhpur, Kochi)

This will help people make an informed choice.
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Like +3 Object -0 Eh 29 Jun 18, 15:22
Look, you're not wrong but all of this info will come from the NLUs themselves. We've seen the jhamela they did with the placement stats earlier this year. If you leave it to them, some NLU will claim they've placed 120% of their batch and that they publish 14 papers per professor.
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Like +3 Object -0 Guest 29 Jun 18, 18:15
Hey Kian, Bar & Bench is reporting that 13 merit listers gave up NLSIU, not 10. Who is correct?

barandbench.com/clat-2018-gender-ratios-rank-cut-offs-19-nlus/

They also have an interesting tale on gender ratio. Poor show by NSLIU and NUJS.
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Like +2 Object -0 kianganz 29 Jun 18, 18:33 LI subscriber
Both are correct :) we counted 10 in the top 50 and published that figure to compare against last year's figure of 3 in the top 50. The full list published in the article is of the top 65, and adds up to 13, which is the figure bar & bench has reported...

We should do an update of our earlier article on CLAT gender performance also... www.legallyindia.com/Pre-law-student/girls-did-less-well-in-clat-2015
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Like +5 Object -1 Guest 29 Jun 18, 18:54
Sorry, you are wrong. Your report gives the impression that only 10 left NLSIU when the figure is 13. Kindly correct it. This is important news because it is the first sign that NLSIU's supremacy is at risk.
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Like +1 Object -0 kianganz 02 Jul 18, 13:09 LI subscriber
That's why we put into the headline that NLSIU's supremacy was at risk :)

The full list of 13 is in the article, and the top 50 is more relevant in our case, since we compare it to our historical data of top 50.
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Like +10 Object -4 Learned 29 Jun 18, 18:29  interesting
Dear CLAT aspirants, please heed my advice: NEVER give up an NLU for Symbi, JGLS or any other college. NEVER EVER. Even pick Ranchi, Patna and Assam over them. You will be making a fatal mistake if you give up an NLU. Here are the reasons:

1. NLUs are a brand like IIT and will someday be declared as Institutes of National Importance. Having an NLU on your CV means you cleared CLAT and came in the top 2% of a very competitive exam.

2. If you give CLAT a second time, then it is an advantage to be at an NLU than a non-NLU. You will learn the same syllabus as other NLUs and be better prepared.

3. Your peer group will be much better.

4. You will have a sense of confidence.

5. An NLU is cheaper than a private college. So you will save money after 5 years. Even if you give CLAT again and join another college, you will lose less money. Also, you will save more money for a foreign LLM. Isn;tis better to have CNL Patna + foreign LLM on your CV than just JGLS or Symbi, which are known as NLU-reject colleges with rich kids?
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Like +10 Object -5 Lio 30 Jun 18, 11:01  interesting  controversial
Thats subjective choice. If a family has the money it makes sense to spend that on JGLS than NLUs with remote location like NLIU or severe politics and campus problems like NUJS. JGLS also has a thriving semester exchange program with excellent partner law school like NUS, Cornell, LSE compared to the NLUs and many JGLS students have gone on to equally good LLM programs abroad.
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Like +9 Object -8 Guest 30 Jun 18, 16:34  controversial
Buddy, we are not fools. We know all about JGLS. Here is a rejoinder:

1. Location: As if JGLS is not remote? It is in a remote, unsafe village in Haryana that is 1.5 to 2 hours away from Delhi by car. NLIU is much closer to the city than JGLS is. And NUJS is in Calcutta proper.

2. Campus politics: You've had issues with rape and sexual harassment among students, faculty members have been sacked for inappropriate conduct and Raya Sarkar has openly levelled allegations against a faculty member for sexual harassment. And don't tell me all your professors are great. The quality is uneven.

3. Foreign universities: Let's do a headcount and see how many JGLS people made it to top law schools with scholarships (With so much spoon-feeding from professors) versus other NLUs (who had no one to help them). Even among non-scholarship wallahs, let's do a comparison.

4. Exchange programmes: Granted, this is one area where you are ahead. NLU students get fewer opportunities. However, your students go on exchange programmes paying fees. If I want to experience a good foreign university, I can exercise the option of attending a summer programme (which is open to all) and pay fees. Quite a few NLU kids do this.

So how exactly do NLU kids lose out??
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Like +8 Object -5 Lio 30 Jun 18, 20:35  controversial
Dear NUJS student Why so angry and foul mouthed? I said only that if one has the money than one should go to JGLS. If one is stupid then nothing lost and if one is good than JGLS gives more resources.

1. Sexual harassment is everywhere sadly. Mr Justice A.K.Ganguly accused of sexual harassment was a professor at same NUJS. Officials of NUJS are suspended for sexual harassment. The online notice against former VC accused him of not taking action against sexual harassment of girl students and security guards watching CCTV footage of girl students. So its not like NUJS is some safe haven. Actually that ways despite being in "safe" Bengal NUJS has more sexual and other violence issues than JGLS which is in "unsafe" Haryana.

2. Professors job is to spoon feed. At least JGLS professors do that. But what do NUJS professors do? All I read about is the famous book review by 1 professor and plagiarism by other professors. That ways JGLS professors help students more. For your information many JGLS students get to the same top universities and that is increasing. First batch of JGLS is 11 year behind NUJS anyways so obviously comparison can be made after few more years.

3. Summer programs are very different from semester exchange. So its stupid to talk about that.
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Like +2 Object -4 Guest 02 Jul 18, 11:45
Actually, from the very points you have mentioned, your arguments are getting countered.
1. All the three instances you have mentioned, actual action has been taken against the accused by your very own admission (including the VC, who got removed due to student intervention, which would never happen at someplace like JGLS, since it requires students to actually take up responsibility). I don't see similar action taken on all related allegations at JGLS.
2. "Professor's job is to spoon feed." - Really? I didn't know that. Clearly, the spoon feeding by your professors didn't go very well for you. If all you read about NUJS faculty members is the book review and plagiarism (both charges having actually been against a single person so far), then it simply shows that all you read are Legally India comments and doesn't augur well for your future. The only thing one reads about JGLS in the mainstream media are usually promotional matters filled with glorious half-truths (and rape and drug charges so far). Didn't your university administration had the temerity to actually claim they got the BEST placement of all law schools this year (later they had to sneakily remove the news item from their website when it was challenged)? Maybe the admin has been using the drug just like the students.
3. That they are. There is one thing common to both though, people who can afford those usually get through regardless of much consideration for merit.
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Like +2 Object -3 Guest 02 Jul 18, 11:50
What better resources are you talking about? Not those actually required in the course of legal education (which requires a hardworking student, a decent library, halfway decent faculty members, opportunities for good internships and a good peer group; NOT AC hostels and swimming pools etc.) Confusing luxury with resources seems to be a habit insofar as JGLS is concerned.
There's a simple metric to figure what all from the university actually contributes to a student's legal education. With whatever additional 'resources' JGLS provides, it is not as if the students there are actually turning out to be ostensibly better than those from top-tier NLUs. Therefore, the actual contribution of those additional resources towards what students go to the university for (viz. to get educated), is actually negligible to the point of non-existence.
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Like +1 Object -0 Law Boi 13 Jul 18, 14:25
I decided to pick Jindal over the lower tier NLUs since I was getting a great scholarship+ I was close to home. Now I feel like I might've jumped the gun too soon.
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Like +1 Object -1 Guest 29 Jun 18, 18:32
Kian, you must bring out a ranking. If you see Facebook and Twitter posts, because of NIRF and India Today some people are picking Jamia and Amity over lower NLUs. It's very sad. NIRF was fed false data and it needs to be corrected urgently.
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Like +4 Object -3 um 29 Jun 18, 20:14
Isn't Amity a better choice than some of the lower tier NLUs though? I currently work with both Amity (IP) and third tier NLU students and some of the NLU students can't even structure a sentence properly.
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Like +8 Object -0 Ex-NLIU Student 29 Jun 18, 20:04  interesting
Hi Kian, just one error in your reporting. You have mentioned NLIU's cutoff as 428. That's incorrect. 428 is the State Domicile General Cutoff. The Cutoff for All India General at NLIU this year was 386. I hope you correct it.
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Like +1 Object -1 KIAN PLEASE 30 Jun 18, 15:58
Yes, Kian. 428 is MP GEN Cut-off, just like what you did for NALSAR and GNLU.
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Like +2 Object -0 kianganz 02 Jul 18, 12:44 LI subscriber
Many thanks, have corrected the lower cut-off for NLIU and NUJS.
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Like +9 Object -23 Guest 29 Jun 18, 21:47  controversial
This should be the overall ranking (considering placements + LLM scholarships + faculty quality + moots + campus/hostel infrastructure):

1) NALSAR
2) NLUD
3) NLSIU
4) NUJS
5) NLUJ
6) NLIU
7) GNLU
8) RMLNLU
9) RGNUL
10) NLUO
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Like +4 Object -0 Guest 29 Jun 18, 23:30
No, it shouldn't. You are an idiot.
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Like +5 Object -0 Guest 29 Jun 18, 23:31  interesting
How would you like to earn money by reading tarot cards? Because you seem to do fine drawing conclusions without any basis in facts.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 34 29 Jun 18, 21:58
True.
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Like +3 Object -5 Trust me 30 Jun 18, 06:41
Problems with the student preference list:

- NLUJ should be above NLIU
- MNLU should be below HNLU, RMLNLU, GNUL, NUALS and NLUO
- NLUO should be above NUALS
- DSNLU should be above CNLU
- Aurangabad should be above Trichy and Guwahati
- Bottom 2 should be Patna and Ranchi
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Like +3 Object -1 Wishful Thinking 30 Jun 18, 07:52
For those relishing the first tentative signs of NLSIU's stature declining, here is a roadmap to how the college can sink to #3 or 4 in the next 10 years:

- NALSAR and NLUD keep working hard and improving: better placements, admin, faculty etc.
- Lethargy and complacency at NLSIU continues
- 50% Domicile reservation is implemented, in addition to SC/ST reservation (it will be the biggest blow)
- Regionalism and nepotism in NLSIU faculty hiring continues, alumni kept out as faculty
- Not more than 2 Rhodes scholars from NLSIU over next 2 years, other NLUs get it.
- Magic Circle placements decline
- NALSAR wins Jessup twice, NLSIU has a dry spell
- Real picture of bad state of affairs at NLSIU is exposed by the media. Other NLUs get the positive media hype they deserve.
- NIRF ranking is made more objective: more weightage to placements and faculty research. NLSIU will surely fall.
- Karnataka govt reduces funds
- Maharashtra govt flushes MNLU with funds, Delhi does it to NLUD
- NLUD gets a good VC to succeed Ranbir Singh.
- At NLSIU the next VC is Ishwara Bhat or someone like that.
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Like +3 Object -1 CLAT expert 30 Jun 18, 09:03
As has been rightly pointed out in the Facebook page of Mr Rajneesh Singh, some coaching centres are misleading students about which NLU is best. These days CLAT coaching centres have sprung up all over India. Many students are from simple families in smaller towns with no contacts in the legal world or do not know anyone at NLUs. So they blindly believe everything that coaching centres tell them.
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Like +7 Object -5 Guest 30 Jun 18, 09:08  controversial
According to my sources, out of those who got into both NUJS and NLUD, around 70% choose NLUD.
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Like +13 Object -7 Guest 30 Jun 18, 18:15  interesting  controversial
According to my sources, most of those who got into NLUD had a CLAT rank not good enough to get into NUJS. Further, according to my sources, the quality of weed smoked by both you and your sources is superlative.
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Like +11 Object -1 Lio 30 Jun 18, 20:23  interesting
AILET and NUJS first rank list are both out and pubicly available and there are 14 common names. Barring ONE all the rest have chosen NLU Delhi. Maybe they are all smoking weed ya ???
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Like +2 Object -4 Guest 01 Jul 18, 15:47
Apart from those 14, unless the remaining general seats of NLUD have been filled with students who have either left NALSAR or NLSIU, my point still holds. And makes sense to people who can do, you know, basic math. Clearly you can't. So for your slower mind, let me make it clear: your data only shows that for students who have got both NUJS and NLUD this year, NLUD is being chosen by majority (mind you, a domicile examination will probably show that at least some of them belong to Delhi and for them, a home institution comparable to one away would surely be preferable). That DOES NOT MEAN that every student who chose NLUD had actually performed well enough in CLAT to have made it to the top 3 NLUs.
I hope the English and Maths are now clear enough, even for you. Law students these days are getting denser than ever!
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 01 Jul 18, 18:18
Kian, if this is true please do an article with NLUD and JGLS included. I think u will find NLUD to be #3 and JGLS just below GNLU is student preference. This is important in light of the misinformation going round, so please see if u can do it.
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Like +7 Object -0 Guest 01 Jul 18, 13:47  interesting
Can't give the figure for this year. But last year out of the 12 people who were getting both NUJS and NLUD. 10 opted for NLUD while 2 going for NUJS. NLU-DELHI has long over taken NUJS.
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Like +0 Object -1 Guest 01 Jul 18, 15:48
Please see the reply to the previous comment and get your logic and maths in order. Would do your clients loads of good in future.
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Like +0 Object -0 Weeknd 30 Jun 18, 09:32
My friend at JGLS is trying to find out CLAT ranks of those who chose JGLS. According to him the highest CLAT rank so far is around 600 (student awarded a full scholarship) and the lowest is around 50,000 (Haryana state quota).The median rank is between 6,000 to 8,000. But it is just unofficial info from my friend based on a partial sample size.
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Like +6 Object -0 Detective 30 Jun 18, 11:03  interesting
Here are the top 300 law schools of the world (ranked by QS) and top 100 (ranked by Times London)

www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2018/law-legal-studies

www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/subject-ranking/law#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

Where is the so-called "Harvard of the East" in Bengaluru? Nowhere! The top ranked Asian universities are NUS Singapore (#13 in QS, #30 in Times) and Hong Kong University (# 19 in QS, #18 in Times). So let us please cut the crap and refer to Singapore or Hong Kong as Harvard of the East, instead of the impostor in Nagarbhavi.
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Like +6 Object -1 Whistleblower 30 Jun 18, 13:15  interesting
Here are details of a big scam at NUJS. NUJS should be stripped of NLU status for such malpractices and the college should be asked to compensate students. Shameful and disgusting.


www.change.org/p/vc-nujs-edu-revoke-suspension-of-odl-courses-of-nujs-with-immediate-effect-and-save-student-careers/c

twitter.com/mohanchandranp/status/1012929597967462401

twitter.com/iamananyab/status/1012218580597919744

twitter.com/iamananyab/status/1012919928104480769
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Like +3 Object -0 Whistleblower 30 Jun 18, 15:55
Kian, please do cover this story. Even after PIB being ousted, NUJS doesn’t show any sign of improvement! The students are not at all satisfied. The University has been changing and suspending courses just like that which is arbitrary! We’re back to sq 1. Hope LI will cover it.
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Like +5 Object -0 Guest 30 Jun 18, 19:25  interesting
Give the SJA a call. Didn't the ex-President issue a statement recently about how the new VC is a breath of fresh air and so on?
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 01 Jul 18, 18:20
LOOOOL. Like Amit Shah, we will say it was just Jumla!
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Like +12 Object -2 Truthwins 01 Jul 18, 19:48  interesting
Your comment is shameful. Hon'ble authorities are taking ALL steps to ensure NUJS is No.1 law school in India. Few initiatives in that regard are as follows:-

1. Appointment of a renowned political science professor and award winning singer as top admin person. She is a breath of fresh air in the inefficient and corrupt admin of earlier regime. On academic front her course has lowest number of fails.

2. Appointment of hon'ble VC who is also a relative of hon'ble faculty member. Now bond between VC and students will be strengthened and they will be like family.

3. Stopping down of false and fake distance education course which was violative of UGC regulation and which was bringing bad name to NUJS

4. Stopping of false "centres" in NUJS which were den of vice and immoral work. It is well known fact that they subjugated students and were committing wrongs.

5. Appointment of new hon'ble registrar who is very dedicated from high court and who is very efficient compared to earlier inefficient VC and registrar.

6. Innumberable initiatives to boost upgradation of campus and major works for benefit of students.

7. probe against people illegally appointed during tenure of previous VCs. It is well known fact that several teachers teaching important subjects like labour law were appointed to permanent position without UGC requirement.

8. Getting rid of foreign educated faculty. It is well known fact that faculty with indian qualification are more supererior and more in touch with indian law.

9. Hiring only bengalis and bengal-educated faculty which is good for regional growth & development.

10. Making students honarary members of EC, GC, other bodies so that functioning of NUJS is democratic and efficient.


Once again thanks to intervention of hon'ble EC members NUJS will rise from ashes to become the WORLD BEATERS.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 02 Jul 18, 13:31
LOL.
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Like +1 Object -1 Real Whistleblower 30 Jun 18, 20:32
This person stole my nick...
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Like +2 Object -1 Observer 01 Jul 18, 10:21
This means 6 students hv chosen nlud against only 2 left nls for nlud in 2017.Last year total 5 students had chosen nlud who were also selected for nalsar. In my view after interacting with some students of nlud. It appears clearly the choice nlud over nlujs from where students left even after studying a month last yr at nlujs. Choice in between nlud and nalsar seems evenly balanced at this moment. Nls is going to lose 15 to 20 by next to these two uni.
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Like +2 Object -1 Observer 01 Jul 18, 12:10
Please correct me if I m wrong with the data. In rough figure 6 nls, 11nalsar,20 from nlujs will join nlud out of their 50 general seat.for reverse trend further study is required from comparing all the allotment list. It Seems that approx 45 students from nlud first 83 from merit list (all got chance to be part of first 50 in nlud after their 22 vacant seats) have joined mostly nls or nalsar.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 01 Jul 18, 15:51
A bit too premature at this stage, right? Why not let the admission be over, simply take NLUD students' names and CLAT ranks and compare with those of the top 3 NLUs? That would actually be conclusive, instead of all the conjecture at present.
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Like +6 Object -3 Guest 01 Jul 18, 12:16
Let us settle the NLUJ v NLIU debate one and for all. If you go through LI's on data on placements and moots, you will see that NLIU is ahead.
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Like +4 Object -0 Guest 01 Jul 18, 16:14
Let us settle the law school v law school debates once and for all. Those who indulge in it are without exception idiots. Of the first order.
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Like +4 Object -1 Guest 01 Jul 18, 18:33
NLSIU has lost more than 13, because some have opted for NLUD as well. Also, NLUD has clearly overtaken NUJS (despite loud denials from NUJS people on this board). This makes two things very clear:

1. NLSIU is slowly falling from its undisputed #1 position. It was unthinkable 10 years ago to think that people may turn down NLSIU and that NLSIU may not be #1 someday. Today, it is not unthinkable any more.

2. As the survey by Prof Sidharth Chauhan has pointed out, faculty is a very important factor in choosing a law school. This, rather than location, explains why NLUD has overtaken NUJS. I hope NUJS students stop getting so angry and instead admit that their college has declined because of the reign of the last VC. It is a matter of record there was a faculty exodus and some teachers actually joined NLUD.
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Like +2 Object -1 Guest 02 Jul 18, 11:28
Ah, the myth about the superb NLUD faculty again raises its head. Granted, their superior teaching skills are yet to make the NLUD students the best in terms of everything imginable, but that's certainly not their fault. Lack of good raw material to shape, perhaps?
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Like +1 Object -2 NLIU Ex-student 01 Jul 18, 19:13
Hi Kian inspite of a reminder, you have failed to update the NLIU All India General Cutoff. Please do so for the sake of proper and honest reporting. The Cutoff is misleading.
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Like +13 Object -6 Guest 01 Jul 18, 21:23  interesting  controversial
By 2030, this is how the ranking of the top 10 will look:

Tier 1
NLUD>NALSAR>NLSIU>NUJS

Tier 2
GNLU>MNLU>JGLS>NLIU>NLUJ
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Like +5 Object -6 Guest 02 Jul 18, 05:53  controversial
You missed out on Harvard and Oxford. They would come somewhere in between NALSAR and NLSIU in your list. Far below NLUD for sure.
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Like +2 Object -0 Observer 02 Jul 18, 11:23
Mr Guest, this is going to happen even before 2025.nls lost only 6 students this to nlud. 4 to nalsar. But in absence of new recruitment n implementing state quota may give big jolt to nls abut which they do not seem to be too concerned.
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Like +3 Object -8 Guest 02 Jul 18, 11:57
If shouting about their supremacy from the rooftop and on various fora would have made any difference, NLUD would have long overtaken Harvard by now. ;) Won any Jessup lately? How many Rhodes scholars hail from that place again? Total number of foreign firm offers are exceeding all other top-tier NLUs combined I'm sure. At least the Day Zero placement must have beaten all other NLU records (and not about firms calling NLUD students up for interview and not selecting a single one after that, the sheer ignominy!). Tell me, with all the brilliant faculty, superb infra and huge funding, how come the actual results in terms of student performance shown so far aren't commensurate exactly? I mean, NLUD students should be miles ahead of everyone else by now. Why aren't they, exactly? Simply a smaller alumni base can't possibly account for all that, right?
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Like +2 Object -0 Observer 02 Jul 18, 12:22
Kian, the cutoff of nujs is 260 Not 333.this need to be corrected.The whole discussion has been diverted. The choice of students at this moment is in between nlud and nalsar and to some level in between nliu and nluj, this is also influenced by the fact that nliu established before nluj and location choices. This is also true about nlud. Rest top is well settled.
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Like +1 Object -0 kianganz 02 Jul 18, 12:46 LI subscriber
Thanks, have corrected NUJS cut-off. The lowest general list rank was 333 before re-grading of the CLAT, and 260 after the re-grading.
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 02 Jul 18, 12:26
A total of 14 merit listers have left NSLIU for other law schools this year, the higher ever. This shows that students are quite savvy. They know that NLSIU is not as special as it once was, be it faculty, infrastructure or placements.
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Like +4 Object -0 Mole 02 Jul 18, 12:42
Those considering JGLS for faculty quality, a piece of advice. The university is heavily loaded in favour of public law scholars and public law courses. The focus on industry relevant laws is limited. There is also no guarantee you will get the cream of the best teachers, as the batch sizes are now very large and there are many sections. And the best professors usually prefer to teach electives to small classes of senior students. Furthermore, the best ones often go on long research leave. Only a lucky few at JGLS (mainly those from older, smaller batches) can claim to have had all the star professors.
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Like +2 Object -0 JGLS 2019 Batch 02 Jul 18, 13:06
Exactly! We have some very good teachers, no doubt. But they are still a minority and don't teach all the students owing to sheer batch size. Plus, there's still a considerable dearth of quality people offering financial law-related papers.
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Like +0 Object -1 Oldie 03 Jul 18, 07:54
It is indeed true that the older JGLS batches (BALLB 2009, 2010 and 2011) had the best faculty --- be it public law subjects like juris, human rights, consti, PIL and fam law, or commercial stuff like corp law, contract, trade, IP, tax etc. There were fewer students and fewer faculty, with better quality all round. It's become like Big Bazaar now -- mass, low quality products for mass, low quality consumers, with high quality being the exception rather than the rule.
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Like +6 Object -3 Kollwopsjmkls 03 Jul 18, 00:10
Those of you so excited about NLSIU’s decline should be a little cautious. Prof Rahul Singh (ex NLS and Harvard) recently took over as Chairperson of the Undergraduate Council. His recent speech (shared widely on social media) highlights his clear vision to make NLSIU the first Indian law school to enter the QS world rankings. He’s already replaced many old faculty members with young NLSIU alum, most notably the old 85+ CPC and Corporate Law professors. Lots to cheer at NLS, it’s all good.
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Like +5 Object -1 Alias 03 Jul 18, 01:13
Those of you so excited about NUJS’s decline should be a little cautious. Prof Arup Poddar (ex North Bengal) and a rather particular professor recently took over as Chairperson of the Undergraduate Council. His recent speech (NOT shared widely on social media) highlights his clear vision to make NUJS the first Indian law school to enter the QS world rankings. He’s already stopped the distance education programmes, driven ipleaders out of business, given promotion to all students as a special gift for this year and done away with the pointless requirement of pass marks which as everyone knows is not an indicator of anything. Lots to cheer at NUJS, it’s all good.
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Like +3 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 09:36
Great comment! Anytime NUJS trolls shout and claim they are the best, just show them the links to the LI page with the Man's book review and PhD thesis. The trolls will need 10 tubes of Burnol after that.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 11:34
By that logic, one should start publicizing Venkatrao's stellar gems of works too. And the inspirational one liners he insists on sharing with all and sundry. To say nothing of Faizan Mustafa's question papers or his views on Triple Talaq aired inside and outside classroom. I don't know many people at NLUD, but they would have clowns there too. I know Jindal definitely does. If you are judging the worth of an institution solely on the basis of these examples, more power to you! I'm not saying NUJS is the best of all NLUs or any stupid claim like that, however.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 05:59
Honest question: How did he get to replace any faculty member? Insofar as I'm aware of, there's been no advertisement for faculty recruitment at NLSIU recently.
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Like +2 Object -0 Rival 03 Jul 18, 07:45
I wish you well. But please note:

1. Having one star faculty and Ivy League faculty in a pool of average to mediocre faculty makes little difference. Ultimately, it is the VC who decides the vision. Also, there are other law schools in India with alumni of top US and UK law schools.

2. Re QS rankings, if you check the website they have been doing the ranking for Law since 2015. NLSIU has never featured. They now rank up to 300. NLSIU is not even in the list of 300. The reason is that QS gives only points for: 1) Publications, 2) H-Index of publications, 3) Academic Reputation and 4) Employer reputation. Categories 1 and 2 are solely reliant on faculty quality, while categories 3 and 4 are solely reliant on student quality. You do very well in the latter, but poorly in the former. You cannot expect to be "Harvard of the East" and overtake Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Peking etc when only 2 out of 4 engines are firing.

As a counter example, Jindal university is the opposite of NLS, in that the student quality is poor but faculty quality is high (ironically, most are alumni of NLSIU and other NLUs) . If you check the QS rankings for BRICS universities (which is less prestigious), Jindal scrapes through to the lower tier of the ranking. This is solely on the strength of faculty publications. But despite having an army of faculty who publish day and night, Jindal still cannot make it to the QS law school ranking or the upper tier of the BRICS ranking, because like NLSIU it ticks only 2 out of 4 boxes.

Thus, the lesson is that you have to be a good law school all around and excel in all 4 categories to claim that you are the "Harvard of the East". Until then, it is foolish and arrogant to claim that you are superior to Singapore, Hong Kong etc.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 07:56
Can you share the speech? On which social media site is it on?
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 11:01
What exactly is the mandate of the UG Council at NLSIU? Isn't it mostly limited to student affairs, rather than a broader institutional one including faculty quality, research etc.? If so, then how exactly does Rahul plan to usher in this kind of change, because students are the one thing that NLSIU has got right for them. The problems plaguing the university are on other fronts entirely. Which includes the current holder of the VC position.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 12:42
Spot on.
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Like +6 Object -1 Fellow NLSIU alumnus 03 Jul 18, 19:45  interesting
I would not bet on Prof. Rahul Singh as an instrument of meaningful change in the long-run. After all, he openly supported the present Vice-Chancellor Dr. R. Venkata Rao's bid for a second term in 2014. He got duly rewarded with a promotion to an Associate Professor position in 2017. Even in the past, he has put his personal interests above those of the institution. In 2010, he had applied for leave to work in the Directorate of Legal Education at the Bar Council of India but quickly moved to Trilegal when the going got tough. Even after returning from his leave in 2013, he only spent a part of the academic year at NLSIU in order to pursue doctoral studies at Oxford. In the strict sense, he should not have been credited for teaching experience between 2010-2017. As another person has commented, it is also not clear how he will improve the overall quality of the faculty when he has no say in decisions about recruitment. I hope he shows some spine and openly questions Dr. R. Venkata Rao's misrule.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 21:29
Well said buddy.
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Like +2 Object -0 FYI 03 Jul 18, 08:01
Even so, the underlying theme of my tenure as the chair of the under-graduate council will revolve around getting NLS into QS or Times Higher Education or similar international rankings. I intend to direct all calls for ‘reforms’ towards this goal.

I suggest that as a collective, we must underscore the goal of breaking into QS rankings. Of course, we are justifiably proud of Ministry of Human Resources Development’s NIRF rankings, but let NIRF act as a stepping stone towards a greater end, rather than an end in itself.


- Rahul Singh

www.sociolegalreview.com/a-plausible-road-map-to-nlsius-future/
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Like +1 Object -0 Observer 03 Jul 18, 10:15
Now it will depend on vc of nlud and nalsar to utilize the autonomous status for attracting young faculty by giving better perks, allowing more foreign students to generate fund, Designing industry based courses
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 11:19
Already happening. VCs have approached alumni for help.
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Like +3 Object -0 Guest 03 Jul 18, 12:54
Returning to the original topic, according to LI the lowest merit list rank of all NLUs is around 1600. This means that only 2.6% of examinees are successful. If you include NLUD and the upcoming ones, then not more than 3.5% are successful. This makes CLAT almost as competitive as IIM CAT.
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Like +7 Object -1 Guest 03 Jul 18, 16:30  interesting
Guys, I have created limited edition, framed prints of the book review, printed on deluxe quality paper (see below). It costs INR 5,000 a piece. To place your order, email me at . Hurry till stocks last!

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Like +3 Object -3 Guest 03 Jul 18, 17:34
Keep flogging a dead horse for whatever it's worth. You seem to match your choice of email address seamlessly.
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Like +3 Object -1 Guest 04 Jul 18, 12:53
Students, please be careful about placing HNLU above Lucknow and Patiala. The placements are not that great.
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Like +3 Object -0 Kollwopsjmkls 04 Jul 18, 19:50
Again, not sure where the NLSIU is falling rhetoric comes from. If mooting is a criteria, we were finalists at Jessup and WTO ELSA and semi-finalists at Vis Vienna this year, by far the best performance by an Indian law school. If it’s faculty, as I said earlier, Prof Rahul Singh is getting great faculty to teach on a visiting basis, if not as permanent faculty. Just this year, Dr N S Nigam (ex NLS, NYU and Oxford) was brought on for tax and interpretation of statutes and Dr Nanda Kishore (ex LSE and NLS) was brought on for CPC. This just adds to the list of alum and other good faculty members already teaching at NLS. The move towards an electives system means that great faculty and alum are offering diverse courses too. Sure, there are quite a few duds, but the swamp is slowly being cleared. If rumors are to be believed, Prof Singh has also gotten rid of the old, pathetic Property Law professor and gotten another NLS alum to teach in his place.
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Like +1 Object -0 Fellow NLSIU alumnus 08 Jul 18, 20:01
Great to hear that Rahul Singh has managed to bring back people like N.S. Nigam and Nanda Kishore. Both of them are extremely knowledgeable and motivated teachers. They should be quickly absorbed into permanent positions if they are interested. NLSIU would still need 8-10 people of this quality to restore a semblance of a serious academic environment.
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Like +5 Object -0 Guest 05 Jul 18, 08:37  interesting
To all those who were posting here how around 12 people who have got both NUJS and NLUD have opted for the latter, can anyone please explain how after admission process has been complete at NUJS based on the final CLAT list, only 1 General and 1 PWD seat is vacant? I am not trying to insult anyone here, just trying to figure out how this is possible. Or did you mean those who could have got NUJS based on the first CLAT allotment list opted for NLUD instead? In which case how did you even know that for sure, since the allotment list hasn't actually been released by CLAT?
@Kian: Can you throw any light here? Because if you can't, then I must request you to remove those claims, since there is no other way of testing their veracity.
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Like +0 Object -0 Observer 06 Jul 18, 12:54
Nujs last rank holder is 260A.53 higher rank in between 138 to 260A have joined other nlu as better choice. 17 nliu, 13 nluj 2 other nlu, this still left unaccounted 21 students. By simple logic 1 or 2 may join Jindal, where other 20 have gone. So in nlud this list may go higher not 12. Nlud this time filled 50 general seat by first 83 in merit list as per their spot admission, still 1 or 2 may leave. 6 nls and 12 to 13 nalsar selected are likely to join nlud. Only interesting point is how many nlud selected will join nalsar.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 06 Jul 18, 15:28
@Observer: This is based on the calculation that the total number of general seats of NLSIU and NALSAR comes to 138, right?
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Like +1 Object -0 Observer 06 Jul 18, 17:00
No bro,Only 114 general seat at nls +NALSAR. it is clat ranking from 138 to 260 who got admission till third list at nujs for their 68 or 69 general seat, so 50+are missing . Nls 52 got by 1 to 66 rank and nalsar 62 seat filled by clat rank 67 to 137(4 nls selected chose nalsar excluded). MEANS 13 NALSAR SELECTED joined other nlu, 2 other nlu as per list and 11 might hv joined nlud.
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 06 Jul 18, 18:31
Got it. Thank you for the meticulous research!
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Like +7 Object -7 Q 06 Jul 18, 20:30  controversial
Yes, thanks for the research. This now firmly establishes that the Big 3 are now NLSIU, NALSAR and NLUD, with NUJS pushed to tier 2 along with NLIU, NLUJ and GNLU. Within the Big 3, NLSIU will gradually lose supremacy.
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Like +7 Object -4 Guest 06 Jul 18, 20:58
Actually, it doesn't. Chiefly because this is nothing but the perception of students who have very little idea about law school and legal career in general other than from half-baked comments like yours. There's no big three. Indian legal education has actually reached a fairly perilous state of affairs in terms of championing mediocrity. In some, a decisive adminstration just hides the rot more successfully and that too not for long. There's little difference between average graduates of most of these institutes in general in terms of almost everything that matters and most of them leave a lot to be desired. We are all so far behind several Asian countries, let alone rest of the world in terms of educational excellence that it's actually tragic. One of the reasons being that people like you and many others here are too busy measuring yourself against each other instead of actually taking that extra step towards bettering yourself.
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Like +4 Object -5 Guest 07 Jul 18, 10:06
NUJS is Tier 2, eh? By which parameter exactly and who died and made you the arbiter of that? Given how your life apparently revolves around making such inane comments, it's clear the only tier 2 grade thing in your life is your achievement. ;)
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 444 08 Jul 18, 19:59
Out of those 11
2 left nalsar for st.stephens
And 1 left nalsar for BHU(He had a few personal reasons for that choice)
So only 8 students chose nlud over nalsar
Compared to around 14-15 students at nalsar who also got into nlud this year
My friend in the batch of 2023 at nalsar has given me this information
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Like +0 Object -0 Observer 09 Jul 18, 13:50
Please let me know the name except harshita who other are in first 50 list of nlud, I could not find. As per my own check, 8 or 9 students have joined nalsar over nlud(50 to 83 ranking in ailet) Vice versa also. Therefore I statement still stand that nlud and nalsar are evenly balanced at this moment as per students choice combining all factors.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 09 Jul 18, 17:32
@Observer: I agree. One also needs to consider the greater number of seats at NALSAR compared to NLUD. The proportions that Guest 444 mentioned would also reflect that to some extent.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 07 Jul 18, 12:38
If NLUD filled 50 seats out of first 83, then 33 didn't take admission there. One also needs to see where these 33 people are going. All to NLSIU/NALSAR? If that happens, then one must say this metric is pretty useless to figure out perception among law school entrants, if it's a two way street between two NLUs.
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Like +2 Object -0 Observer 07 Jul 18, 14:49
It is important because this year we have seen a trend that students are ready to leave nls for nalsar and nlud approx 10,second students are evenly balanced in choice of nlud and nalsar, which was tilted in nalsar favour earlier and clear indication that students approx 30 who had joined nluj, nliu over nujs. Still nujs charm will remain forever.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 06 Jul 18, 13:05
In the list we can see, below GNLU downwards all are just rubbish colleges that do not deserve the NLU tag. Better to go to Amity/Symbi than them
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Like +12 Object -4 BALLB 2015 07 Jul 18, 23:42  interesting
My preference and suggestion to law aspirants will be as follows (choose any law school in same group):

1) NLSIU Bangalore / Nalsar Hyderabad
2) NLU Delhi/ NUJS Kolkata / JGLS (if fee not an issue)
3) NLIU Bhopal/NLUJ Jodhpur/ GNLU Gandhinagar
4)HNLU Raipur/RMLNLU Lucknow/ RGNUL Patiala /Nuals Kochi/ NLUO Cuttack/ MNLU Mumbai
5) GLC Mumbai/ILS Pune/Symbiosis Pune
6) CNLU Patna/ NUSRL Ranchi/ Nirma Ahmedabad/ Symbiosis Noida/ Christ Bangalore/ GGSIPU Campus Delhi
7) MNLU Nagpur/ DSNLU Visakhapatnam/ NLUJA Guwahati/ HPNLU Shimla/ TNNLS Tiruchirappalli / KIIT Bhubaneswar
8) MNLU Aurangabad/ NLU Jabalpur/ BHU Varanasi/ Jamia Delhi/ AMU Aligarh/ ULC Bangalore / SOEL Chennai/ GLC Chennai/ PU Chandigarh
9) Amity Noida/ VIPS Delhi/ Bennett Greater Noida/ UPES Dehradun/DES Pune/ Bharti Vidyapeeth Pune/ NMIMS Mumbai
10) Allahabad University/ Lucknow University/ SASTRA Tanjavur/ VIT Chennai/BILS Bangalore/ Osmania Hyderabad/ etc.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 08 Jul 18, 20:09
Seems like a fairly accurate picture. Nirma should feature somewhere among the private universities, don't you think?
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Like +0 Object -0 BALLB 2015 09 Jul 18, 23:33
Thanks. Nirma is placed in sixth category. In my understanding it must be ranked ahead of new NLUs like MNLU aurangabad and nagpur or DSNLU etc.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 08 Jul 18, 20:37
This is a pretty good ranking, but I would disagree on the following:

1) Patna and Ranchi should be ranked lower.

2) TNNLS is a mess. Should be lower.
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Like +1 Object -0 BALLB 2015 09 Jul 18, 23:35
Patna and Ranchi are older law school with decent campuses and alumni base. They are ahead of new NLus in many ways.
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Like +0 Object -2 Guest 09 Jul 18, 12:37
JGLS in tier 2? No way. It should be much lower.
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Like +0 Object -0 BALLB 2015 09 Jul 18, 23:45
why? because it's private university or because it is expensive? JGLS without doubt, is ahead of most of NLUs in faculty, infra, international exposure, mooting, placements, swimming pool :) etc. If jindal reduces its fee, people can easily leave any law school to go there. so, if you can afford, tier 2, if not then it should be tier 10.
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Like +4 Object -2 Guest 08 Jul 18, 13:27
The top 7 NLUs should break away from CLAT and conduct their own exam. CLAT can then be left to NUALS and other C-grade NLUs.

The top 7 would be Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Kolkata, Delhi, Jodhpur, Bhopal, Gandhinagar...
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Like +3 Object -2 Observer 08 Jul 18, 17:03
Someone suggested that nls should conduct its own exam but that is not going to happen. Ailet is blessing in disguise, started by the same vc who initially advocated clat and was also part of it. I would suggest that students must give preference in this manner. 1) nls/nlud/nalsar 2)nujs/nluj/nliu 3)gnlu 4)mnlu/Jindal /rmlu/hnlu
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Like +4 Object -0 Guest 09 Jul 18, 12:09
Please give me one performance metric in which the student graduates of NUJS are actually proven to have fallen behind those of NLUD, NALSAR etc. From Moots to Placement to Litigation choice to Civils to Entrepreneurship to higher studies with scholarship. Doubtless NUJS has been going through a rough patch in terms of administration at present, but I have not seen student performance having been affected unduly because of that yet. Till that happens, I don't agree with your classification. I would agree NLUD has joined the other 3 top-tier NLUs though.
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Like +0 Object -4 BBBB 09 Jul 18, 12:36
Please understand that rankings are not only on the basis of placements. Quality of hostels, infrastructure, administration and faculty are also very important factors. In fact, in the study by Prof Chauhan, faculty and teaching standard was actually ranked as the #1 important factor, ahead of placements.
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Like +4 Object -0 Guest 09 Jul 18, 13:07
And there has been no proper study of faculty quality across NLUs ever. You can't gauge teaching quality objectively anyway, otherwise most of the truth about so called star performers in the legal academia would have been exposed far back. Foreign degrees alone don't make a good teacher.
I'm talking about student performance in all spheres, not simply placement. I thought that's what counts for a university most of all. If everything else against them, NUJS students are still doing as good as anybody else, what does that tell you about the weightage that any other factors should be given?
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Like +1 Object -3 BBBB 09 Jul 18, 15:18
Who said anything about foreign degrees? The most objective way to compare is publication output, rather than degrees. Please do a comparison of publications in reputed Indian and international journals by searching Hein Online, Westlaw, Lexis, JSTOR and SCOPUS. Yes, this does not measure teaching but research, but should still be a reliable indicator. Without exception, all the leading profs have articles indexed in at least one of these databases ---- Baxi, Menon, Chimni, Dhanda,MP Singh, Basheer, Krishnaswamy, Mrinal Sathish etc. Ironically, barring Dhanda and Satish, all these people are actually ex-NUJS profs (if I am not mistaken). But who is there now?
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Like +5 Object -1 Guest 09 Jul 18, 13:11
Also, Prof. Chauhan himself agreed that his study said what students said they had made their decisions based on at the time of entering law school. Now if you had been told by someone Prof X teaches better in NLU A than Prof Y does in NLU B, how would you have known for sure? You can't. Nobody actually can at that stage. Therefore, if two comparable students emerge as comparable graduates after being taught by two separate teachers, then regardless of any degree or qualification, the two teachers' teaching prowess have to be deemed comparable too. Otherwise why not any ostensible difference between graduate quality?
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Like +1 Object -2 BBBB 09 Jul 18, 15:20
What a ridiculous comment! So what you're saying is this: if a NALSAR grad gets a training contract at Clifford Chance and so does an Oxford graduate, it proves NALSAR faculty = Oxford faculty. Wonderful.
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Like +1 Object -1 Guest 09 Jul 18, 17:28
No, you are using anecdotal illustrations to make it sound ridiculous. Think about it this way. I think we can all agree that there's little qualitative difference between the average students who choose, say, NALSAR and those who choose NUJS, right? Say, 20 CLAT rank difference? 2-3 questions on a bad day. If anything those choosing NALSAR are slightly ahead if you assume CLAT filters the best. Now, again, take average graduate students of NALSAR and NUJS and their performance across all measurable spheres. Again, you will find little to choose between them at this stage. Then either you say that the teachers at both the places have had similar contributions towards both sets of students, or you can conclude that despite NALSAR faculty having, say higher quality measurable by more publications etc, such additional quality is not getting passed on to the students on an average basis. Or of course you may also conclude that faculty publications have little bearing on teaching prowess, a fact with which I at least partially agree.
To modify your own example, if on an average, students of NALSAR get TCs at the same frequency and with the same ease as students of Oxford, then logic dictates that the universities must be contributing in an comparable manner to both sets of students. Make your example average based rather individual based and you will have your answer. Unless you are saying that students who are entering NALSAR are inherently smarter and better than those entering Oxford and hence can produce same output with less resources.
What good is faculty quality on pen and paper if it can't result into any discernible difference in graduate quality? The main purpose of law school is to educate students, or at least when a student is choosing law school, that's what should be the basis for choice.
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 09 Jul 18, 17:37
@BBBB: No, your response has a logical fallacy. The average entrant of NALSAR is much behind the average entrant of Oxford, since the latter are actually top graduates of NLUs and the like. When there is such an ostensible difference in quality to begin with between average students of both places, then the contribution of university can't be gauged properly with graduate quality in an average. Such is not the case between NLU entrants, who are fairly comparable raw material to be shaped in those 5 years. That way, I see the original commentator's point.
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Like +1 Object -3 Observer 09 Jul 18, 13:43
Agreed with your observations. Nujs students will do better and equally competent as shown in this past. The academic pressure of nlud for sure n other top nlu also eating up some portion of the brain from where wisdom flows freely not obstructed by over reliance on words.
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Like +1 Object -1 NLU chap 09 Jul 18, 18:25
Jindal? The Jindal PR is always at work man.
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Like +3 Object -4 From JGLS with love 11 Jul 18, 22:52
@NLU Chap: Check any story on LegallyIndia. Most comments come from NLU students. Who's at work you know better.

Jindal doesn't need any PR as a law school, you know that. JGLS is at least three to four times bigger the size of any NLU in India both in terms of Faculty members and the students. Please have some mutual respect.

Whichever NLU you come from, you are nowhere close. Thanks
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Like +4 Object -0 Guest 12 Jul 18, 09:07
I have nothing against JGLS as such. However, your logic is flawed, stating bigger is necessarily better. By that standard, Delhi University and Calcutta University's law departments are even better than yours, since they beat you in sheer numbers. JGLS has several other good points in its favour, maybe cite them when you are trying to make points like this?
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Like +1 Object -0 Advice 14 Jul 18, 14:32
CLAT aspirants, please trust me and rate NLUJ above NLIU. My advice is based on inside knowledge of these two institutions. At NLUJ the placements are better, teachers are better, facilities are better, crowd is better. Jodhpur is also better than Bhopal as a city and the location of NLUJ is better than Bhopal, which is remote. Please do not be misguided by coaching centres and random people who do not know anything.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 25 Jul 18, 12:42
NLUJ>>>>NLIU
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