Pay well? lol. Assuming national law schools = IITs/IIMs. On graduation, these people make the same amount of money or a little more. But they do one job. 10-7 in most cases except pf course if you are working for an investment bank, in which case, you get paid a whole lot more. On thre other hand, effectively most associates work 14 hour days. So who says this is handsome pay? Cut the crap.

What a truckload of non-sense. For starters, self admittedly this is a comment from a lit practising person. You sign up for a 15K salary, if you take lit. 15K from 10 years ago is like 45K today. 45K I still not thr norm for most people when they start out in the litigation world. That such a person would comment on law firm lawyers (who actively reject having to subject themselves to a life of penury for 7-8 years in the litigation world) smacks of nothing less than jealousy and hatred for the other folks that are having it slightly better.

Alas for posh apartments, in the city. The rent is ideally 80K above. No associate (given most of them make betweel 1L-1.5L during the course of their 3-4 ywar associate ship) rents out such places if they want to have anything resembling privacy. Fancy apartments only if you room/flat share with 3 or 4 other people. That's not a house or a home. That's a stop gap arrangement till you make some money when you can afford a house closer to the city, with your spouses salary combined. So boomer aunty/uncle, please stop assuming we all have it too easy.

Avoid this team. Had interned here for quite some time and found that the A0s to A2s were always under immense pressure, were shouted at by most of the seniors. Barring a few, everyone here including the Partners, is toxic, have no regards for your personal life and mental well being.

Hope this person listens to each piece of advise that their parents ever gave. Didn't do one wrong thing in life. Was so perfect that he could churn out SPAs in his second year. Do InvIts in his third. Wrote memos on billion dollar issues which wouldn't need to be reviewed by anybody else in his 4th. If in lit- was the one guy Harish salve looked upto for having as his briefing counsel in his 5th. Will to perform it seems- my foot. Everybody wants to perform- those who fall short of it don't fall short of it because of the lack of will- but due to the lack of proper training, mentorship and motivation. Of course the odd individual who' doesn't have the will do so will always be there-1) such people exist in every generation; and 2) no point categorizing an entire generation as being bad due to one or two bad apples. I sincerely do think that most of these comments are from some petty minded SAs ans PAs. Refuse to believe that anybody who's good enough to be a partner would have such mental retardedness and lack maturity in their comments.

Sir, if we junior or next gen lawyer will get seniors/ mentor/ lawyer like you we will be happily working for this sort of environment. Everyone know legal industry is demanding. But confusing demanding nature with toxicity and heavy exploitation in regard of mental then these thing tend to get worse with time and get imbibed with person sub conscious mind. Thats we new gen lawyer or law Student demand non toxic boses because we dont want to become that pathetic person that oldies partner are, who are in a way toxic due to the treatment oldies/ partner got from their senior when they were senior.

Can someone pls make a list of dos and donts. I've been applying at various T1 firms through friends, recruiters, cold msging partners on whatsapp but i don't think its working.

I do realise a one year gap in my CV is not helping. But I'm sure many like me have gotten into firms. Pls help!

Long hours, yes. The abuse and bad behaviour, no. Foreign firms also have long hours and one may argue better or least comparable pay. Have you seen their associates come up with such horror stories? Why is it that I have to compare myself with the cab drivers and delivery people? Are they spending as much on their education and qualification? You completely avoided the aspect of why law firm recruiting partners do such a completely bogus job of hiring these people whose ability to work hard they are not sure about. You do your job well and then ask others to do theirs.

You keep saying that the firms tell us what to expect. When does that happen exactly? Ideally that should happen during the internship phase, but doesn't. There are plenty of interns who slack off and still manage to land a job even if not a PPO. Moreover, you avoided answering the main question. If law firms believe that most of the associates or even a sizable number aren't working hard enough for their liking, then why don't they simply fire those people instead of abusing and harassing them and force them to quit?

Hard work is not 2 hours of smoke break in the scorching heat and humidity, 1 hour of tea coffee gossip break. Harassment is not requesting to deliver work in time or following clients requirements.

And do not want to change or quit. When asked to do better, start criticising the world. Where is the self respect in that?

I sent my CV to a partner of a t1 firm but I've not received any reply yet. I had some work ex with the same firm (different team) before i took a break for upsc and some other genuine reasons. What are my chances? This is a very busy GC team and I'm hoping i will be hired. I'm banking on this.

They spend a lot of time filtering the entry of both students and faculty into that institution. Nor are there public institutions which offer cheaper but equally good quality management education. IIMs also cost a lot. On the other hand, JGLS doesn't offer anything better in terms of education compared to the NLUs where fees is a lot lower in comparison.

Sure, demand for all what you want. Work hard for it. Do not have your uncles and aunts and family calling to get you placements if you are not cut out for hard work and intelligence. If you lack these, might as well be in a cosy job which will fill your demands and will not demand anything in return.

Law profession is demanding, law firms are more, lawyers are known for perfections in their work. All those who have it and are willing to give their best, will veritably succeed and will get all their demands fulfilled.

And others will keep whining and complaining and keep demanding, changing jobs, complaining every boss, criticising system. And once you are lawyer, you are not a kid anymore.

Aajkal ke nalle berozgaar chappal chor college ke bacche are spamming LI with:

a. Posts about their college;

b. Comparing weiners of different colleges;

c. Making Quora like clickbaity voyeur posts to get insights on law firm life - but yaar at least ask about all law firms, what this T1 T1 obsession?, y'all have never adulted;

Given the above nonsensical spam, would it be possible to make a different section for college related bakwaas?

Doing so, I believe may help in fostering better discussions on both adult topics and this weiner waving.

Also, everyone, please. T1 firms and colleges and NLUs and Non-NLUs are equally mediocre. This is from someone who is mediocre af, I can tell you everyone is mediocre or worse.

All the grandeur you guys associate with all this is just pure showbaazi. Nothing more nothing less.

My T1 Partner keeps telling me - "We're the best M&A team there is in India, the A Team". I'm inclined to not believe my partner considering the quality of work we do, and the way we fumble about for solutions.

Arre uncle why are you spending so much time on random internet message boards to impose your opinion on others? People's perspectives won't change because you have believed in some narrative, and the old ways are bound to change with time. That's evolution. As for you, spend time with family, do something meaningful. Time isn't your best friend

You might need to do more internships imo. Even though you have great marks, but having no proper extracurriculars along with less internship experience won’t help with your case of getting shortlisted for day zero interviews or receiving a PPO (which is dependent upon internship at a T1 Firm). For receiving a job offer from a T1 firm :

1. Either do more internships at those T1 firms , since most of the T1 firms hire a person if you have done internship there or have a high corporate internships experience at various T1 firms.

2. Various T1 firms have one internship policy where you have to perform well there and then hope for a PPO or at least can request them to short list your name from their side through their HR.

3. If you have good networks/ connections then just directly ask a partner of that particular T1 firm where you want to work for an interview opportunity for job or directly a job.

Dime a dozen stories about how lawyers from top tier firm and otherwise are directly responsible for regulatory action on the client. I have personally come across many lawyers who drag a case along for years at end and they exist primarily to damage the clients. It is not as noble as it is made out to be. It is a 2 bit profession. Let us face it

Write more, read more. Keep in mind that folks have individual styles and so, what one partner believes is great writing may not be to the preference of another. Don't be disheartened. That being said, some general pointers that I find tend to improve drafts:

- Plain English over legal eccentricities (no "hereinafter", "wherefore" etc.). This doesn't include terms of art which need to be used as they are.

- Avoid using multiple words where you can use one ("if" instead of "in the event of")

- Simple past and active voice where possible ("we discussed" instead of "it was discussed by us that")

- Spend some time organising the flow of your argument before you begin drafting. I often work with my team to set out a structure before they begin the draft, so it holds together better. You should ideally ask for guidance on this if you can.

- Use sub-headings where you can to delineate different sections of your argument. Clarity is as important an ideal to chase, as accuracy.

Holy assumptions batman.
I literally worked with rape victims for years after law school and you want to mock that? - it was that famous ngo in bombay if you really care. But I'm not gonna doxx myself more to children on the internet. You sure youre better than me? That seems moral to you?

I'm absolutely none of those things you think about me. And your assumptions say more about your victim mentality and "if anyone disagrees with me they must be evil" thinking than they do about me.

I pay my juniors and interns exceedingly well- but if they dont perform they know they will have to go elsewhere soon. I wont carry people who will waste my time or put my clients in harms way. Not for a day longer than necessary. And I dont hire just anyone. I had zero connections in law. Literally first generation college student. I dont yell at people. I got yelled at a lot and I myself get quite anxious around people who yell. I pay freaking traffic fines. No corruption. Turns out you can make an honest living when you work hard and are good at your job. Shock! Horror!

And I didnt block FDI- but please do not assume any foreign law firm would hire slackers who cant put in billable hours. It is literally a pop culture trope about how american lawyers in big law are cutthroat and how difficult it is to stay on at a firm or advance in your career without putting in crazy hours. I know quite a few colleagues from law school who took the magic circle route- they may have a yearly vacation now and then- but they work crazy hours the rest of the time. No one gets home at 5 pm to ride off to the beach to watch the sunset with their model girlfriend. And those places will expect quality analytical and detail oriented folks to do the work. Like 10% of firm lawyers in india would even be considered. Why do you think consultancies that can hire in india dont hire from most indian law schools- even nls they only take a couple every few years. They are chock full of engineers though because those guys work hard.

I dont have children- but if I did I would dissuade them from going into big law with these grand expectations of utopia. And I would teach them the social, economic, and spiritual value of hard work. Leave your campsite better than you find it dude. If you can only think about how your life is not perfect- you get myopic and dont realise the house nextdoor is burning.

How much is the difference between the different corp teams (B&F, Cap Marks and M&A) when it comes to number of recruitments each year?

Cap Marks has a lot of attrition, but on the other hand, M&A teams are generally bigger and even smaller firms have steady practices.

Hi OP. This is a first generation lawyer who is running an independent lit practice in a tier 2 city. I think that there may not be a generic or a correct answer to this (regardless of city). There are many factors that go into taking such a decision. Your own risk taking capacity - financial or otherwise. Your family background - and whether your family encourage this. Are you the only earning member of your family - if yes - then an independent lit practice can be a bit of a struggle in the first year or so.

If you are earning well with a firm that you are currently with - it becomes quite difficult to foray into the unknown with no assurance of a monthly paycheck.

Another factor to consider is where your source of work will come from. If at a High Court level - do you have enough contacts with trial court lawyers who would feed you matters in appeals/ writs. Are you likely to get a few clients from the office where you are currently working. Other determining factors could be age, marriage, children, preference of city, etc.

There are many subjective and objective factors that would need to be considered before one takes the plunge. But there is one important element which usually you cannot be prepared for - some may call it luck, some may call it 'naseeb', some may call its God's wishes - but there is surely that some unknown force/ factor which is not in your control - which could be your guiding light.

However, I feel that in a usual circumstance, about a 5 year work-ex is a good time to consider going independent. I went independent after 6 years of being with a law firm.

I am not sure whether I have answered your question or confused you more. But I do not think there is a straight-jacket formula which is the absolute correct answer/ response. Further, what scenario may work for one person - may not work for another.

Having said that, I have found the world of independent lit practice to be fantastic. Has its own bumps and challenges - but overall is very rewarding. Good luck with whatever decision that you take.

Who exactly is planning to change the world at your cam Sam azab show ? Literally no one. They tell you exactly what to expect. But they don’t even need to - there’s enough people who have gone into this industry since industrialisation to tell you that the work hours are not leisurely. If you want an easier job you’ll get lesser pay.

Dude doctors and engineers spend just as much. Doctors don’t make any real money until years after their super specialisation and establishing their own practice. Most engineers who get hired by Wipro/ Infosys are struggling to make ends meet at 25-30 k per month.

If you’re the sort of person who took a firm seriously when (if) they told you you’d have the free time of a Kim kardashian - I mean theres no warning you at that point. Do you want to buy a talking dog ? I’m a Nigerian Prince send me your account details.

These places make you work long hours - that had been true for freaking years. Ask anyone. On the flip side they actually pay you well for your time unlike cab drivers and delivery boys who work the same hours , do harder manual labour, and then get a pittance for their trouble.

I am sad that you had to experience this. She is toxic af and working around her means hearing her talk aloud on the phone regarding her personal matters but if she hears your voice, even if you're on a work call, she will scream bloody murder. Apart from her, the partners have toxicity ingrained in them too. As an intern you would luckily not get to experience this but the attrition rate of this team shows how had it is for the associates. Pathetic place. Please stay away.

Raj is merely a pawn. Naveen Jindal is the guy who runs the show with Sahni as his right hand man. Naveen sees Jindal as a profit-making business rather than a university. Sahni runs the place with HR policies like he ran JSPL's HR wing. Therein lies the problem. Raj has actually done a good job navigating these pressures. I don't think other people can manage to do the same.

This is also the difference with Ashoka. The Chancellor at Ashoka is a serious academic, whereas the Chancellor at Jindal is Naveen Jindal. Also, Ashoka funders don't interfere and demand profits on their investments. They are proper philanthropists.

I mean very large public universities also have student unions that will advocate for bettering standards in education and not reducing them. The nlu student body isn’t all that united in a search for excellence either - there’s plenty of kids who just await an easy o but the difference is that it’s a public university so customer service matters a lot less. At Jindal customer service is what students want. If that doesn’t change I don’t see much hope.

Every university in the history of India has tried to intimidate its students. If calling your parents about you asking for a better education is enough to scare you- how easy do you expect this to be ? Students at other universities sit on hunger strikes and put their actual bodies in harms way so that they can get a half way decent education. The admin at Jindal aren’t some exceptional goons - they’re regular goons who will always bend to what the students want. So the question I’m afraid does come down to whether students want to improve their institution and by extension themselves or they’re happy with this sad state of affairs.

You might feel the difference between the KCO people who joined KCO directly and no through the lateral entry. Promise Sir's team does amazing work and they do a lot of work.

The man loves his associates and in general the entire office is pretty sweet. But with their SAM instinct kicking in sometimes they would feel to be a little hostile, but they are great to work with.

Similar experiences on the infra M&A side. This is a firm.which truly believes on working hard (which can again be attributed to the billables) than working smart and creating value for their clients. Have also seen litigations (while in house) where jeehaaa calls you and expects you to say ji han- challenge/appeal when you have no intention to and then goes over your head to a global GC or the chairman etc. This is not even on those big headline type matters- have experienced these on small USD 10mn type matters. So yes- you are completely right about this feedback.

Dear uncle, have you asked a similar question to the masters that you work for? For instance- these might be pertinent questions to ask:

1. Why have offices in Nariman point/lower Parel where one can't afford a house (and if they don't it's usually a dinghy dark place without Any balconies) and spends hours on the road a day getting to these places and going back home. And please don't give me the crap.about client needs- in thia day amd age where VCs are the norm. Sure, go ajead and even have a fancy sea facing office for meetings- working offices can be at places where humans can live in a place called home (and it's not that, if there's no balcony) and not in boxes. This location thing, is just to serve the interests of those senior partners who have fancy bungalows in hanging gardens and whatnot. That for every senior partner, atleast, 50 people travel distances exceeding 45 minutes a day- is just sheer stupidity.

2. Ensuring bonuses are paid on time and firms don't use bonus as a retention tool such that anytime you leave, you leave money on the table.

3. Not even offering a lunch- most other corporate organisations atleast offer lunch. A single migrant kid having to figure out his bread on a daily basis- is not easy.

Thank god he didn't mention NLUs and Jindal !!

This is probably the first time a senior university admin is openly telling the media that his students consume drugs. But what we need to see here is if it's just occasional drug use, like smoking weed to celebrate end of exams (which is fine) or serious addictive drug use, like shooting coke/heroin/LSD every day (which is not). In fact, even smoking weed everyday may be harmful. Weed is legal in many countries, but I don't think it's good to smoke it everyday. 😑

Another type of substance abuse we need to address is guys taking steroids to build muscles, plus girls snorting cocaine to lose weight. Peer pressure to look like actors and influencers.

https://www.news18.com/education-career/ashoka-univ-co-founder-cites-use-of-drugs-by-students-on-campus-8570126.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ashoka-university-founder-flags-problem-of-drugs-on-campus/articleshow/103521280.cms?from=mdr

https://www.freepressjournal.in/education/drug-delivery-by-drones-founder-of-ashoka-university-claims-substance-abuse-on-the-campus

https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/companies/sanjeev-bikhchandani-accepts-drug-menace-at-ashoka-university-seeks-students-help-to-tackle-issue-article-103537918

Most of you realise that these are the oldish SAs, the PAs and some RP/SP level guys who are being boomer on this thread? Equity and senior partners don't have fhe time or the inclination for such posts/threads. Don't take these folks seriously- they don't represent the leadership philosophies of most partners. Any guy who says, you must struggle and subject yourself to harassment, just because he too did, is no better than a cult priest and a whiner who wants to be able to piggy back on your hard work. Alas, the crux of the complaint therefore is- you need to work.hard, so that I can relax (which you by the way shouldn't do) and claim all/most of the credit and make my way in life and walk my dogs and/or go do whatever pretentious hobbies I've picked up in life.

What's wrong with:

1. expecting better systems/devices? A one time investment of 50-75K extra is a big ask in a sector which sees 80-90% yearly ROI?

2. Doing two jobs (given that most people well work beyond the 8 hours) and getting paid for it, handsomely? You don't even offer any retirals (PF, gratuity etc). Now take the case of IIT-IIM grads and I take them cos our nat law/tier 1 schools who make the majority of law firm resources, make the same or in some cases more money on graduation. They do one job (most of them have 10-6/7 job, unless they with one of the investment banks or EYs/PWCs).

3. Asking for the best deals and best work? Surely, nobody is interested in doing some meaningless work. Hell, the more complex and Sevier the transaction- the more you learn. Sure, you need to have the skills to be able to deliver- but as long as that's there, why shouldn't kids be demanding for this?

The shroffs and zia, say Hi, for having started this all in the early 90s. That foreign firms have largely made it easier for their lawyers to have a better life, is lost on these boomers. Like a broken record, they will do nothing except talking about how difficult they had it. Attribute everything to client expectations. What stops them all from coming together and saying we will all agree to a common work code- how much will we push lawyers and clients. You agree to that- you can solve a lot of problems. Not suggesting France type no emails after 5PM. Something as simple as just auto locking laptops for 6-8 hours in the late nights. No firm in India will respond during those hours. No 24 hour meetings- every meeting should break for the day post the 16 hour mark. Partners/PAs being told that they shouldnt expect (and in fact, send the message) their associates to stay at work/office, just because they are around. Flexibility to work from home as long as work is not impacted. such simple things to implement. Nobody wants to talk about it. Someday, some kid who's been haraassed by the boomer generation really gets to a place in the government, where he starts applying the labour codes to these law firms or creates one for lawyers, investment bankers and audit/financial/transactional advisory firms such EY-PWC-KPMG etc.

I am an old school pre-smart phone Era lawyer. Things that old school has to realise:

1. Life is all about evolution. Do you guys follow what your parents tell you? For all the PAs and partners in their 30s-40s, chances are you were quite the rebel in your younger days and continue to be so, wrt your parents and their advise. So please don't do this- "oh we had it so difficult, this how we grew, this how you must also grow" shit. Life and work is ever evolving and we must always adapt. Not be boomer-dinos.

2. Granted that useful skills such as proper proofing, research, formatting, etc is important. But guys come on, living in the times that we are in, all of this can be outsourced and to a large extent is now being done by the computers and AI. Given that most associates atleast in their first two years only do this, no point harassing them about this beyond a certain point.

3. When we started working, there was no concept of work life balance. Working from home. Not Even bloody HSE (health safety environment) clauses in contracts. These days firms send weekly updates on these topics. Who's to blame? The very fact that firms are writing this is because of the lessons learnt from.the horror stories that our generation went through. To then say that oh you must also go through this cos we went through this is pure crap. It must be quite the contrary- because I went through this and it affected me, I won't let you go through this- should be the Mantra that all PAs and partners adopt.

4. The very topic assumes that we as old school lawyers had to go through shit and the genz doesn't and that is somehow wrong. Perhaps a little self reflection on why you went through shit is necessary. Cos if you were super good, you wouldn't have gone through shit in the first place. You weren't good either in your younger years- so accept that lawyers will evolve with age and can't expect them to be superstars right out of college.

5. An average law school kid probably spent 10-12 hours a day sleeping. To then shock his body suddenly with a 4-6 hour sleep schedule (and in some cases, worse than that) is Gunatanamo bay level torture. This needs to be worked up gradually. This is also a factor of an associate being involved in his job and liking it- things which are very difficult in the abstract without context and not having any foresight of why they are doing what they are doing. How many of you boomers take a first year associate to a negotiation? Hence,please understand that it is not fair to expect 23 year old kids to fall in love with their jobs and blindly do everything without question.

6. Drafting is a skill that evolves with age and life experiences. Hell,even commitment to a job is directly proportional to the personal commitments that you have. How can you expect a 23-25 ywar old without any familiar commitments to have a high sense of responsibility and commitment to the job?

To all the genz lawyers- hang in there, these horrible bosses and boomers notwithstanding. Lawyers evolve with age. You'll only be good at what you do if you like doing it. That usually comes with more responsibility and visibility on the impact that your work has. And also being given importance. All of this will come. You need to ask as many questions as you can- be as involved as you can, so that you get to the place where you start liking the Job. In fact in my view, the sole purpose of getting to an SA must be to get to a place where you have little more responsibility and ability to fall in love with the job. All the very best- 2012 lawyer. Have been both in house and in a law firm (currently in a law firm- before the boomer defending folks start jumping at the in house reference).

Most good seniors don’t advertise if they are looking for new juniors, they normally ask their existing associates or lawyers who brief them to find someone good for them.

A good way to get into a good seniors chamber is to join a lit firm or briefing counsels who can then refer you to them if you work well.

You can also try sending your cv to them or their juniors and you might get lucky if your cv is really impressive.

As the title suggests, I'd be consolidating what i think an intern should know or learn while applying for a litigation internship to get that headstart

Keep in mind these are my viewpoints and I haven't had that much of experience on field but had I've learnt these things earlier I'd have gotten a headstart. Please feel free to subject this list to scrutiny and add more to it.

1. First things first is to know how to check the cause list of your matter at a particular court. Get very well versed with these things download the ecourt service app and by typing down your case number and year and the jurisdiction of your court. So if you've been assigned for a court visit w your senior just quickly check the cause list and tell him the item no (although he'd have known these things but little things like these creates a good impression leading to more work from the same senior)

2. Also you should know how to check whether the judge who is assigned to your matter is on leave or not. And do mention that in the message you'd be sending along side with the cause list message (same info can be accessed online on web just by typing judges on leave and the court you're going to)

3. Learn legalese basically legal English, i swear to god when I got introduced to drafting. This shit went over my head. Although I'm a believer of using plain English in drafts. Usually at my firm we're still using the archaic words of English. If you wanna know where to actually learn legalese just read a lotta drafts and read supreme court's judgements try to highlight words which seems foreign to you.

4. Learn how to draft a legal notice, probably if you're at a good place you'd be assigned the tasks of drafting legal notices, reply notices. The format is damn easy and you can just use sample problems and create them by yourselves if you're not doing an internship.

5. Learn how to draft a complaint most important this is one of those common works you might be assigned to. The format is damn easy but what I've noticed with drafting is essentially you're telling a story so don't get this anxiety that you can't do shit or you can't use legalese. Make sure to be very specific with your details like very specific for example if A stole an iPhone you should write it like this "That one person named "A" S/0_____ R/0____ commited pilferage of one iPhone 14 pro max 256 gb ......"

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6. Once you know how to draft a complaint learn how to draft a representation to a ACP/DCP and subsequently 156(3) too.

7. And for the love of God when you've finished your research and you're sending it to your senior always make a casenote and send it with a highlighted portions of the judgement

8. Learn to do filing especially of high courts. Tutorials could be found on YouTube to learn the same.

Man I've written a blog at this point lmfao but this is almost what I think an intern should learn there's more to this i could have written more but I be feeling too lazy to type now.

Hope this thread would help you and shit

What Raj banks on is the fact that it’s very hard to get into the top 10 NLUs, with very few merit seats on offer. On top of that you now have an EWS quota. This is where JGLS is virtually the only option for many bright upper middle class students who didn’t get into a top 10 NLU, because they don’t want to go to an NLU Patna or an Amity. But the problem with expanding batches is that many bad students also make it.

If it is really the poverty in this country that offends you, then you should be more offended by the managing partners and senior advocates who make in the range of double/triple-digit crores and pay peanuts to those who work for them.

It is not the aspirational middle class who must feel guilty for the inequality in this country.

let's be honest. i know this is going to hurt but people only care about us when their ass is on fire (litigation) or when they wanna further their commercial intersts( corporate). are there any lawyers who are known outside of the legal circle? worshipped by common people or atleast known by them. I'll start with Mr Salve - because of the kulbhushan matter - he has garnered a good amount of publicity from the educated indian non-lawyers. but still, I am looking for penetration like SRK, hardik pandya and the likes - where even play school kids want to become like them

I mean this in the most respectful way. have no intentions of spewing hate on the profession and the professionals. law is love

Is it possible for me to get recruited at a tier 1 on day zero or get a PPO?

I am in the top 5% of my class and have 1 internship and 1 planned for 5th year and 1-2 good blogs on reputed sites ? No moots, no research papers and no extracurricular.

Really Stressed, senior advice will greatly be appreciated.

Since when does Jindal have good placement? Last I checked, they have rarely placed more than 10% of their batch in any year. As for good faculty, a lot of tall talks, but if you can't produce good students, then how are you considered a good teacher? Not that they have set the legal research domain on fire either, despite having all that fund and other advantages compared to the public universities.

These baby boomers/ partners/ are frustrated af now they realise that now new gen isn't fearful of calling them out for their exploitation and toxicity. They expect same as when they were treated with same toxicity by their own seniors in 1970s..1980s.. but these oldies dont realise world has changed and they also have to.

Toxic partners, nhi chalegaa yeh thread. It just that we the upcoming generation won't be tolerating any bull crap! There is no room for toxic behaviour. Professionalism in work should not be muddled with toxic behavior thats it. Your generation has only worked with people who were mostly introduced in this industry as product of Nepotism. We mostly have come from humble background. Partners of most firm indulges in hiring of people who are known to them( client's acquaintance/ friends etc) The brother judge syndrome has converted in law firm as Partners syndrome.

I have known Abhishek for more than 25 years and AZB for several years. Their professionalism is impeccable and have always seen them as straightforward but respectful lawyers. Its a demanding profession and not everyone is cut out for it. performance and merit are above all and high incentives are also due to this demanding merit based system. Once cannot expect to have all the incentives/perks of the job but not take the pressure.

I have been recently observing this trend in open vacancies posted on LinkedIn by firms that even for fresher openings , a lot of experienced ppl are applying.They are typically people who spent 1-4 years in litigation or compliance industries or in smaller law firms and now want to make a switch .

It is making life really hard for freshers who have experience but don't have work experience.

The point he's making that the ones in glass building are not actually lawyers although that would be the dream that takes you to law school.Nit the reality of 14 hour slavery.So OP is asking why would they let their dreams crumble?

OP,the system is a well set "fixed" managed"set up by the ones who own the glass building and by their clients with glass buildings too.I hope you shatter glass ceilings and glass buildings.Good to know at least one's out there,OP,and hopefully more, still dream of being real lawyers.

Since we all have read the associate's resignation email, and have seen numerous debates going on linkedin, twitter and here, calling them toxic, etc., etc.. Lets use this forrum to knkw what law firm's seniors, partners and management think about this whole issue. Is it for real TOXIC or its just a training method which everybody goes through.

Capmarks Delhi team is toxic, Mumbai is too busy and Blr doesn't have work. Although call backs are given and hiring is done in such teams, there is no merit to them. A simple glance at their A0 pool will answer reiterate the same. Simply avoid and go for M&A/GC at other places.

I have been in conversations with several people who did Jessup last year, and they all had negative remarks for the way in which the regionals was organized by Amity Law School, Noida.

Is it true?

If yes, what is the exact nature of their shortcoming? Can it be addressed?

If no, how does one go about getting the Administrator changed for the 2024 Jessup?

If that cabin is withdrawn tomorrow there will be five new threads about how teachers don't deserve cabins and conveners don't get admin support. LI mods should consider some version of a community notes or a weighted voting feature where any post with enough "trollish" votes is moved down and out from the front page.