Hi everyone, I was a student of NUJS online courses, and has been waiting for certificate as I have finished my course. one and half years back Division Bench of Calcutta HC ordered that we must be given certificates and our course will be deemed to be UGC recognised. Since then NUJS took out notice saying they will implement the court order and asked us to submit details to the University which I did.

After this there was a challenge in Supreme Court (filed very late by UGC - 9 months after the divison bench order) and NUJS said it will wait for SC order before giving certificates.

Now SC has dismissed the SLP by UGC, and upheld HC order.

Why is NUJS still not issuing a certificate to me? I wrote mails to the VC and the registrar, there was no response.

I have filed a contempt petition before Calcutta HC, but the hearing did not happen since 5 months as the bench has been separated and one of the judges is now posted in Andaman & Nicobar Islands.

Do I have to wait till the judge returns to Kolkata for contempt petition to be heard before I can get my certificate?

or can I file a fresh writ before HC?

Why is NUJS doing this travesty of justice. There are clear court orders, why can't a premier law university follow the law? Why do we have to fight to get our rights in courts @ every step?

Have we not suffered enough?

A lot of upcoming Corp firms (yes, including RE in the same) pay well above 40-50k to freshers- can attest, previously was at one.

Agree to rest bit of it, but again, if you hit the tier-1s, you'll have the same WLB as you peers from the other states, at least in KCo. :)

Came back to add one more thing: make sure your juniors feel safe. As they do work, they will also screw up. They will make mistakes. Make sure they are not afraid of making mistakes - because that means they'd be afraid of taking any initiative also. That would make them want to leave.

My senior had basically told me "there's nothing you can do to a case that I won't be able to rescue it, so it's fine". It helped build the courage needed.

Build that kind of a safe workplace that encourages your juniors to learn & grow. They'll stay.

At night so long as the metro operates, Kolkata is the safest city among all the metros. And there's a closer station being built. The university is located right off the state highway, one cannot have a metro route right in front, though the distance between the busstop and the hostel is less than most NLUs have between their hostels and academic block (plus points of a smaller campus in the middle of the city). Having the metro right in front of the building is actually worse in terms of the long term infra damage owing to vibration as well as recurring noise.

I saw a few posts saying that CAT is hard for non engineers, but when I checked out the portions online, it was quite similar to the math we had to do for CLAT.

Considering this, how difficult is it to crack CAT, and is it a viable career option for lawyers if they do not enjoy their work?

Brush up the fundamentals of contract and company law. Take a quick look at the landmark cases, though you don't need to remember them in great detail. Go through SEBI ICDR and LODR regs. Though mainly for cap marks, it will still help you in some interview questions. Basic CPC, property law knowledge will help. Remember the constitutional articles and what they relate to. If you can, go through the Stamp Duty Act including the schedules, an added bonus. After all this, if time permits, get a summary note prepared on the most important RBI and SEBI circulars for your understanding and reference. You may also go through the blog posts of the firm that will interview you, connecting your answers to those posts may give a good impression of your homework and diligence. If you can successfully do all this, then you would ace any DZ interview. Please also practise some mocks with friends/seniors/faculty if you can, to identify if your responses and delivery can be improved. Best of luck!

I would suggest joining as JAG, then leaving either after 2 years with a rank of Captain or after 6 years with a rank of Major. Then doing an MBA at IIM or ISB (you will get preference) then making good money and getting good retirement benefits. One of the cool benefits is that you get to be a member of army clubs, which have great sports facilities and dirt cheap restaurants. I know because my uncle is a member of the army club in Kolkata and has taken me there many times.

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So the obvious question the. is whether associates are underpaid?

Duhhhhh.....be thankful for that.

If IISc has a law school, who will even talk about NLS and other state NLUs? As an example, IISc Medical School will start operating from 2025 (https://medicine.iisc.ac.in/). IISc Law School (should it happen) will be in a different league altogether.

My acquaintance's decision to transfer from GNLU to NLUD after one year at our institution was prompted by factors such as differing academic standards. During our discussion comparing GNLU and NLUD, it was highlighted that GNLU offered a lot of bandwidth, thus allowing for greater time allocation towards various illegal activities, which might not have been as feasible at NLUD due to its rigorous academic demands.

I primarily focus on Corporate Law but I have also written blogs on Human Rights and Constitutional matters. It really depends on the topic at hand. Hence, journals that specialise in Corporate Law would be my preference, although reputed journals which deal with other areas of law will also be appreciated.

Yes, favoritism and bias do exist, chiefly because of there being no policy for this sort of thing in any of the NLUs. The teachers tend to prefer the students whom they have taught before. Those on the panel might have even advised their students about the best way to present the proposal to maximize their chances etc.

NLS/NALSAR/NLUD (NLS used to be way ahead, but now, considering its batch size and fees, it won't be my first preference).

NUJS (Has the best placement record amongst other NLUs).

GNLU

NLUJ (Used to be ahead of GNLU, but their placements have been abysmal for the Batch of 24 and also, they now have a domicile quota).

NLIU

Jindal

HNLU/NLUO (NLUO has a slightly better placement record).

Symbiosis Pune

This is the ranking order and do not tamper with it. NUJS is still one of the best institutions in the country. In every parameter, it's far ahead of NLIU: better placement record, more Rhodes Scholars (NLIU has none), better faculty, and most importantly, better student quality. Yes, NLIU has a better campus, but what are you going to do with that? You're there to study, get a job, and hone your skills. Choose NUJS, and I am from neither of these institutions, hence no bias. NLIU technically is below GNLU and NLUJ now; their reputation is already tarnished with the amount of scandals that have happened there, including fake degrees though it's still a T1 NLU and surprisingly, batch of 24 managed to do well in NLIU as most of them got placed.

GNLU has a better placement record, more number of Rhodes Scholars, a better campus, and way more chill admins, which gives you a lot of time to do your things. NUJS is still way ahead of GNLU. In terms of everything, they are ahead, so be wise, choose NUJS and do not temper with the preferences.

Another thread on Kolkata that I came across. Gosh I love my city.

The top firms (KCO SAM) pay almost at par with the other offices although you can expect a pay cut of 10%. I personally would not mind that because your net income is a measure of your disposable income and Kolkata is a much cheaper city to live in by all standards. Further, work is not crushing so you get all the WLB you need, which really makes up for that 10% cut and more. Which would you rather have? 30k/year more or the time to spend with your family at vacation spots at least once a year?

For firms that are slowly making a name in the corporate space, (except HSA because the good Lord and the partners are the only one who knows what is going on with that place. Besides they only seem to have a B&F practice) expect a pay of 2.4-4 LPA for Gen Corp and M&A. That said, M&A does not happen in Kolkata much, so the umbrella term Gen Corp would also include a LOT of Real Estate work.

For firms like Fox and Mandal (both brothers), Victor and Moses and Sinha and other 'heritage' firms, expect a salary band that matches with their 'heritage of not paying our juniors even the basis sustainable salary'.

Litigation prospects in the city is a farce even though we have Cal HC. That said, you can strike gold (well, that may be a bit of an exaggeration, but lead is also high priced) if you venture into litigation prospects of NDPS and Bail matters. Its easier to transition to greener pastures in these lines (IMO. I am open to being corrected if I have said anything that hurts you or is not a true picture of the profession). Personally, people who work at lower courts seem to have a better time than people working in HCs. There is a dearth of good lawyers in Labour Tribunals among other Tribunals and you could look into this avenue as well.

Salary range in litigation- Expect a pay from 5-8k at the worst. 20k at the best as a A0-A2.

Salary range in corporate law firms- 10-25k.

Salary range in corporate in-house- 30-40k but intakes are very few every year. That said, Cognizant does hire every year through a walk in interview for contract management roles and life is pretty chill (as per the friends I have there).

Anything else you can add or share or ask, feel free to type away :)

NALSAR too has domicile reservation. Moreover, the introduction of a new specialisation has got nothing to do with 'destroying student quality', as anyone with basic idea about education is aware of. For someone to claim that a STEM-related specialisation is bringing down student quality is preposterous, especially when the law subjects, faculty and other resources remain the same (if anything the BSc students have got better new hostel facility). However, despite being from NUJS, I would keep NALSAR slightly ahead as on date if I am advising a CLAT aspirant, but the reason for that is increased state interference at NUJS, as compared to NALSAR, where such interference has stabilised by now, though it remains to be seen what happens after the latest round of elections. Opportunities will be more or less the same to any enterprising student no matter what choice they make.

A2 here in a sense, I am working with my father in indirect taxation and I feel trapped. Most law firms/big 4 prefer CA LLBs in their practice whereas I have done only CS LLB. Even 6 years after GST the tribunal is yet to come. 2019 Amnesty meant CESTAT work has literally dried up. The less said about the sales tax tribunal the better, corruption and bribery is the order of the day. I never liked indirect taxes, joined only because I had no other choice. Now I wish I had stuck it out and never come here. A warning to whoever is choosing taxation, be absolutely sure you know what you are doing, lest you wanna get stuck.

Obviously. You don't compare a national university with state universities. INIs (IIT) are more PG research-oriented, while state universities (NLUs) are UG teaching-focused. For a PhD, the research culture is important (no one "holds" a PhD completion). As a PhD aspirant, you must know.

My friend got the top most marks in the written exam of a recently conducted NLU PhD exam. He said his interview went well. However he did not find a place in the final list. Later on, he found out that all the candidates selected had either done their LLB or LLM from the same institute.

Is there such preference or nepotism in NLUs for selection of PhDs ? Why then give chance to outsiders when they only want to select their own alumni?

Buddy, it seems simple for folks like us, since we come from that background. But not for a lot of civilian population.

Our initial batch of 10 was reduced to 2 since others left during training or even before that. Couldn't handle the grind or had different ideas about how things would be.

Listen OP. Getting in is a bit tough. Since SSB is unlike any other competitive exam. It's a personality based exam & therefore you can't be a 100% certain you'll clear it despite preparing beforehand. But it's definitely something I would recommend going through for the experience.

Second, a lot of people have the misconception that since you're an advocate in the army you will not be subject to the daily routines of army. That's where they are wrong. Irrespective of whether you're a lawyer or engineer. You will always be a soldier first. Therefore, initially you will be subject to the same training and experience in the academy that others go through. There will be no exception. Only benefit is that your training is for a year, not more.

Third, discipline is the key to the organisation. For some people who have not lived that life, it does become hard with the RoPs & SoPs to follow. I literally saw a GC question/argue as to why we have to salute a senior & say Jai Hind.

Fourth, you will be attached with a forward unit initially, i.e. posted in the field, but that's for a short duration. Later on you will have posting in much better peaceful places. But if you love the physical grind and have age by your side, you can definitely try for the para/special forces.

Five, you will definitely be set for life with the retirement pension, medical support and canteen facilities. Plus the honour of wearing a uniform. The benefits are definitely worth it.

Six, you should definitely try, if you want. However don't have lofty ideals. In the end, it's an organisation and JAG is not the top most unit when it comes to unsaid customary hierarchy. It's more like an added service.

Seven, even if you get through, it's a short service and if you feel like leaving, you can chose not to opt for permanent commission. The experience in army will boost your CV & will give you 5 year exemption in lots of competitive exams. I've had batchmates leave & go join the courts, do an MBA abroad, IIMs, one even cracked the civil service exam with the exemption. Upto you.

All in all. It's a great service to be a part of. All the best.

To add to this, the inaugural batch from the 3 year LLB program consists of one of the most diligent folks I have met. Slowly, but surely they are making their mark on the campus and I am sure they will succeed in their endeavours, regardless of what people say about this program.

Maximum number of students from Chennai study in Jindal. They leave every other NLU. So if you don't get NLS or NALSAR, prefer Jindal Global Law School.

As you are middle class, aim 99 percentile LSAT score and study with 75% tuition fee scholarship in all 5 years. You have two chances in January and May LSAT exam.

I happen to know at least 3 of these people and attended their lectures. If you consider them as good faculty, then with respect, you will be pleasantly surprised if you get to attend the classes of many of the NUJS faculty, who are much better. Moreover, the people you mentioned don't have a good publication record at all. NLIU campus is much better and bigger than NUJS though, and I don't really think there is any difference in quality between the students, TBH. Your library can use some modernization in terms of databases.

Haha. Why would it be? Think for yourself.

1. It’s a government job.

2. It’s a job that has a very fixed remit in terms of the sort of matters you deal with.

That said, if you do want to cruise through life and make a decent fist of it, I would recommend the JAG. Good postings, little to no work pressure, army benefits without the real edge of life stuff you may encounter in other units (lesser respect in the forces as a result).

If you really want to have some fun, I would recommend Navy JAG. Even better postings on offer than fauj.

I come from a fauji family, work in the corporate sector, and have more than three friends who ended up in JAG.

Logically this makes sense, sure. But this is the most roundabout way of living life I’ve seen. One should go fracture their arm so that eventually when it heals they will appreciate having all functioning limbs more?

Please don’t deliberately seek out a high stress/toxic team, you may appreciate everything that comes after it because your standards would be on the floor, but the physical and psychological set back would be immense. Getting put through the wringer can impair you and your confidence, which is perhaps one of the most important factors to survive in this space.

Suffering does not always equal growth.

“The same water that softens the potato, hardens the egg”

the rcc class has 20 people only out of which we've got 1 AZB, 3 CAM, 3 Anagram, 1 Saikrishna, 3 shortlisted by KCO for interview, Trilegal shortlists expected in Jan, 3 for S&R in June, ongoing apps for Anand and Anand, Samvad and Touchstone.

so no, not quite "3 or 4"

This just happening in Iceland - http://tinyurl.com/2s3sxpd7

When will women's rights in India witness such a push? When will our PM push for closing the gender pay gap?

The best place to be for a five-figure monthly starting salary - that too for litigation and arbitration. Tejas is the MAN- your Harvey.

Avoid if you're not from an NLU. First level up with a decade in lower court and high court chamber practice if you're from an NLU background. Even Havard lalams with NON-NLU background don't survive the rigours of an Amarchand without initial, decades woth chamber grounding. Exceptions make the rule.

Write OLETs like SLAT and LSAT, if you're not satisfied with the college you end up at, take a partial drop. If you're open to it, write cuet and apply to colleges for other courses also. I got <250 rank and got into a certain t1 NLU last year but took a full drop because I just didn't like the place and couldn't see myself studying there for five years. CLAT didn't go so well for me this year but AILET did. Had I fucked up in AILET also, I would have wasted a whole year for nothing, but things worked out in my favour (I guess?) lol. CLAT is an extremely unpredictable exam, always make sure you have a backup.

Hey, I need a law internship in a tier 1 firm. Have been applying for the last 4 years but have received no reply yet. I have been interning at good places too but not Tier 1. I have done courses and my percentage so far is 85%.

Now this wouldn't be a problem but most of the kids in my class have people referring them and it's annoying to work hard and see people not doing anything for 3 years and then randomly start Interning at the best firms. Like what even is that.