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And yeah, issue of Batch Size is real at NLS.
The truth is it depends on your CV. If your CV, rank, credentials, etc. are so good that it speaks for itself, they might wrap the interview in 10 mins with hardly any technical questions. If not, you might get grilled hard. I know people who had intense interviews before they got an offer.
Stayed 2022 at home preparing and trying to calm myself down . This was the time when I aggressively started using social media and youtube reels / shorts . I came to know aout legally india and corporate law world. I came to know about how gatekeeping is being done by established chambers in litigation . Nevertheless , It had been close to one year sitting at home and trying to calm myself down and I would see influencers and MBAs earning 20LPA easily. I realized I chose the wrong path - but I did not blame myself because I had no guidance from anywhere. I was happy that I was trying my best.
In 2023, I joined another senior . I immediately faced backlash of friends and present & past Juniors of my last senior . I was looked down as 'traitor / damaned goods ' who left his senior and joined another one! This new senior never abused or heckled me but I was aging. I was being paid 5000 by my senior. Work hours were similar 12-14 hours. I worked for 8 months and asked my senior that Sir maybe I should take up small job somewhere in any capacity. I will need some finances now that my parents are aging and will need medical help.
I have been writing on almost every second thread on LI . I have reached out to people on reddit, Sent few many mails to Sr Adv and Juniors of their Chambers. Only 3 people responded. Out of them 2 people stopped responding after 2 mails and other one stopped responding after wishing me good luck.
So, here I am It is 2023 end. I dont know what to do . Where to go , how to go about things. I have parents to look after . Mumbai and Delhi rent is crazy high to be able to litigate or even intern ! I have accepted my fate and I most probably will work somehwere in pvt business here. Dont know really.
But I am not the only one, every year India produces thousands of such law graduates from local law colleges. It is just that I know how bad our situation is because I tried to gain information online. 98% of these local law college graduates are delusional , waiting for that 'someday' went they will argue big bail matters and charge 1L for one bail - they dont even realize what they have missed!
Law school students aren't a monolith.
Showing up on Shark Tank isn't the be all end all in entrepreneurship.
The only piece of advice to others is to ask for things you want right now, the right time never comes. You need PPO, tell that partner or PA. You want to date that person, tell them. Because the regret that comes by not asking is not worth it, at least you would be content that you tried your best. The worst they can do is say no (Caveat: If you are asking a girl for a date, do it nicely, otherwise, the worst she can do is file an FIR. :))
Except working hours, I don't see a problem with my career. Though sometimes I think, if my family had the money I could have gone for some other stint like judiciary or UPSC, where the satisfaction would have been more, but the kind of money I need after my graduation made me join corp.
Very different from most of the other miserable teams at the firm
I am willing to believe that you were subjected to harassment at first instance, but to say a law firm is sending someone to rape you or spying on your family 24x7?
Law firms do not engage in such practices because its not commercially viable or necessary for them to make money
In my 20 years in the legal field I know of no such service provider 😐
Fantastic claims need very high levels of proof
1. You have skills (not taught in college so you either self learn, have a friend or family to teach skills, or a kind senior - none of these are easy to come by)
2. Learn how to get clients - either through brand building, or through extensive networking
Its not like you get a degree and then you just get hired in a job
Most people do little just crib
Others willing to put in consistent work rock it
If you are listening to a lot of negative crap time to change your company
I too got in NALSAR with reservation and there wasn't any tag associated with it in that way. The student body is quite woke and liberal. Nobody tolerates any casteism in it anyway. Plus NALSAR has a great supportive student body with a tonne of helpful programmes, only thing NALSAR does not have is Delhi location is all.
*No monetary talks
https://nludelhi.ac.in/download/tender/2023/Jun-2023/EOI_boys%20hostel.pdf
Additionally a serious issue is that for whom reservations are made, they get bleak advantages of it. In the past years, the bunch of students I know from Bangalore, who happen to get in NLSIU, belonged to rich income family with as much as amenities as a burgeoning Middle class kid, but didn't grab the coveted seat with merit, but with reservation. This is absolutely insane. Just that years old caste certificate can't reciprocate with the position of individuals in the society now. As far as I know, our constitutional makers had reservations for the community economically (AND) socially backward, where do Pourarmikas/ Miners/ Janitors/ Barbers avail these reservations, probably they aren't even aware of CLAT or they lack money to even file the application for CLAT. Out of the 300 NLSIU seats, around 160 seats are for reserved category, and in this narrow number, majority studied from affluent schools like Kumarans, Christs, Joseph, etc have above median family income, where most of them find Symbiosis and even Jindal affordable, but they study cool in CLAT, because they know reservation has got their backs straight. The only point is "Reservation currently are failing to cater for those it was rightfully made, and should be made. It's allocated now to ones who are merely availing benefits of their ancestral category. The occupation of parents should be the prime criteria in allowing seat allocation, because right now the means are just literal and quantity oriented, they don't quantify and address whether just a seat with that pretty low rank of say 14000, 7000, 8000, did in any way give an opportunity to the slum dwellers, etc or the potentially backward people. Eliminating the economical tenet of the socially backward classes is a utter foolish step. Imagine I studied in a top-ranked school, my parents earn more than 10 lakh, I received quite commendable benefits of coaching, all things were ceteris paribus with my classmate. At the end, I end up getting in NLSIU not because of my strong rank but an outdated caste certificate which holds no value given the luxuries I was bestowed with throughout the tenure, but my friend scored more, perhaps better than my worse rank, still ends up wasting a whole year.
Re-assessment of caste validity should take place, the number of unfair or fair but elapsed benefits should be included in the General Category, if you don't want to redefine caste category how can discrimination terminate? In this 21st century, it's possible to recognize the suitability of an citizen to avail reservation, clauses perhaps more specific in this regard, where all reservation classes are said to produce certificates of economical backward which isn't a tiresome process and even a ITR/Pay slip can substantiate.
NLUs being the hub of law don't even realize that their approach to having reservation to safeguard the interests of backward communities is not yielding benefits for whom it was made, but to them who are just utilizing the different mechanisms to gain benefit from the system, who don't even care if their Tribal seat was to be deserved of their nearby Tribal relative who hardly earns an income in comparison of his bulky income. Wrong people take right benefits.
I absolutely understand the necessity of reservations, and value it myself. Also, the intention behind them is completely fair and equal representation. I feel horrific of thinking of 12th pass-outs, who aimed for CLAT, and must have to study in a quarter-like room with their parents involved in daily chores, and where even an application fee can send economic shockwaves to their families. I definitely and absolutely and unequivocally want these hardworking children to gain their righteous seat in NLUs. They deserve it by no further clarification, and the all reservations of OBC, ST, SC, belongs to them to belong to different corners of a city, state, nation. They do require upliftment and a quality education and reservation can equally place them with other students and not at disadvantage. BUT, unfortunately, not more than 100 are able to get a seat in the entire 3000 seats of National Law Universities. So, where do the rest of the majority reservation go to, to those kids with wealthy families in their bracket who happily and perhaps cunningly are capitalizing on the benefits of a caste certificates, where they not even a bit deserve that seat. These caste capitalizers should have competed in the General Category and spared the reserved seats for students battling through the process. Providing caste category benefits to "all" in that category is foremost a rubbish policy specially in education system. Whichever NLU you are, just ask to the management in the RTI about the number of reserved students in your class belong to the abject picture described? The managements don't have answer because changing these rules and making it individualized is a tedious and self interrogating process.
1. Be Patient: Your career will last a long time, so don't rush. Learning takes time, especially in the first 10 years. Remember this is a profession where you can work till the day you die and you will be the best at what you do only when you incorporate your learnings and your experience into every new case. Hence, your first few jobs don't matter. Just focus on places that let you learn the most.
2. Don't Chase Money and Fame: Instead, focus on doing good work consistently. Money and recognition will come later. Money and fame can be very addictive so avoid that trap. Look at some of the senior lawyers on social media. They are only looking to show the world their latest award, which if you didn't realise, is all paid for. The taste of money and fame will make you that kind of person.
3. Don't Compare Yourself: Comparing to others can make you feel bad. Compare yourself to your past self and aim to improve.
4. Take Care of Your Health: Don't let your job harm your physical or mental health. If it does, it's time to leave. The cues to this are simple; do you wake up happy and looking forward to work? If not, then it's time to get out!
5. Live Happy: Don't chase things you can't afford. Focus on what makes you happy.
6. Be Kind: Treat others well. It helps in your work and life. Don't be that senior partner who yells at everyone just because its the 'in' thing that has now become part of your nature.
7. Think Like an Solo Lawyer, always: Work towards a future where you can work for yourself and help others be in clients or younger lawyers.
8. Learn Technology: Understand AI and tech because they are changing the legal field. The legal profession is on the brink of significant changes due to AI and technology. Learning how AI works and how to operate it can give you a head start in this evolving landscape. Many legal jobs will change in the next few years so your ability to adapt to the new system is vital.
9. Prioritize Happiness: Do what makes you happy, not just what makes money. Pursue what genuinely makes you happy and build your life and career around those passions. Don't fall into the trap of chasing money as a sole measure of success, as it often comes at the cost of other important aspects of life.
10. Don't Believe Everything on Social Media: People often show a perfect life online, but real life has ups and downs. Focus on your journey and growth rather than comparing yourself to curated online images. Treat that like watching a movie and be happy for the actors in it. But do not judge your own life based on it!
nujs for example has student exchange mous with sheffield, kcl, soas, kyoto etc. but in the last 5 years no one went to any of these places
Another related problem is wokeness and resistance to discipline and authority. You need to have a strong work ethic to be a successful lawyer. But again, this generation has become habituated to opposing rules and regulations. When they join the legal profession, they struggle because no one listens to your tantrums here.
With respect to situation you described, a common scenario I've noticed people is that the associates/team on the face of it "like" some interns' work enough to wish them well and not say anything bad about their work, but it's not standout enough for them to recommend the person for a PPO. If this has happened with you, I would suggest reaching out to the people you've directly worked with and inviting suggestions on your work. More importantly, consider self-evaluating your performance and work ethic as well.
For future references, you should also remember that at most firms (with the exception of KCo because of its massive teams), your teams' PAs and Partners are the crucial people whose recommendation would matter. So, either you should have reached out to them for work organically, or gotten recommendations through multiple associates for them to feel that you merit their time and efforts in teaching and testing you.
This way, in the worst scenario, you'll at least walk out of the internship with a valuable reference on your CV.
Accordingly, if you did any of this and genuinely feel that you "aced" it, then you should promptly reach out to them and enquire if they'd be willing to refer you to another team at another firm. If you don't receive a response, then like I said, you may need to introspect on your performance and work ethic better — which is alright, it's a journey and you'll get there. All the best!
In none of the court orders is there any line about the legitimacy of the courses themselves. But iPleaders is portraying it as some sort of their own victory. When in reality it is just a relief awarded to the students ▮▮▮.
NUJS should respect this and give the students the certificates at least or issue refund.
From bloodsucking bosses to soul crushing infra and society.
Either its Pajeet or Ganguland, P-word is better than ganguland.
I loathe white boiiis but its rare win for them. Giving us such a cool name, doesnt it sound so good while saying it ?
Used to have MoUs with SMU and Melbourne but both expired and were not renewed
its just that BA will generally keep you at a GPA disadvantage (work more hours to get the gpa BBA ppl get aka, unnecessary stress for no reason)
faculty in both stream is mediocre at best, some can be downright disastrous (for both the subject and your gpa-history esp)
Some misguided Hamas supporters must've confused the Amarchand family for Zionists and hence planned the attack. 26/11 flashbacks? During the infamous attacks in Mumbai, the terrorists specifically targeted Jews at Nariman House.
An explosion also took place near the Israel embassy in Delhi yesterday (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/reports-of-blast-near-israel-embassy-delhi-police/articleshow/106298164.cms?from=mdr). Terrorists also ambushed the army in Kashmir. Tensions have been rising lately, hopefully the agencies take action soon. We don't want a Gaza-like situation, especially considering India's nuclear arsenal. To avoid direct confrontation, Pakistan is fighting a proxy war. RAW needs to gather intel and cooperate with the Para SF/Garud Commandos to plan the next surgical strike. Considering the upcoming elections, such a strike would also boost the approval ratings of BJP and Narendra Modi. We can only wait and watch.
However also, litigation is very very profitable in the senior years due to 0 costs and tax deductions as a professional business. And tax practice is especially one due to high work and opportunity costs of not pursuing litigation with the corrupt it people.
Given it's your first internship, your seniors in the firm will not place expectations from your work. Hopefully some will take the time to explain the work with you. Be in constant touch with the person assigned to you as a mentor to help you through this.
You can expect the following work
1. Research notes- you will be assigned research questions, you will have to find statute, analyse it and support it with case law (manupatra/ SCC)
2. Due diligence- you will be given documents and asked to find details/ vet/ run a compare etc. Clearly ask for the exact work to be done with the document from your assignor associate, don't mess up due to less information, because most associates don't have the time to explain everything in one go.
3. Data- Stamp duty checks/ changes in ICDR etc. Again ask for exactly what has to be found and don't be shy to ask all your doubts. If the associate is not being clear, speak to your mentor/ the SA.
To answer the OP.
Only 3 firms hire predominantly from Indian Law Schools- the UK Offices of Linklaters, HSF and Allen and Overy, in that order of number of students (more to less). Applying elsewhere/ other locations will not help, because they don't have a HR policy for that.
1. Be in a top 4 NLU- NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ (The list according to foreign firms)
2. Be a top ranker. I mean top 5. You will surely be shortlisted by one or another firm.
3. Have your commercial law basics very clear. You are actually tested for this in selection on real deal assessment. Speak to your seniors, they usually have a repository.
4. Also the Watson Glazer test is used for shortlists, which has CR based questions like CLAT. There's a free sample on the Hogan Lovells website, practice that throughly.
5. Polish your English, speaking and writing, not accent. Just speak coherently and don't mess up on work just because or communication, because your mentors will be british.
6. Before you begin the TC you will have to qualify the SQE examinations. While the firm does provide time for prep, maybe you can start reading up on it and study those subjects alongside your course, because there are similarities. Don't stress over this too much though, it's easy to clear.
7. While this doesn't matter for recruitment, but foreign law firms emphasise a lot on publications and internal research. Maybe try writing on quality sites on more complex commercial law concepts with help from your seniors.
Regards.