cap, the ivy leagues still give huge preference to people from oppressed countries, eg Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc, and Blacks do get preference in college and job applications way more than our system in India. They have been marginalised so they do deserve an equal playing field. And considering the diversity of India im sure the government should not ignore them and act like they dont exist

Je logic se, toh all engineers should be forbidden to do MBA. Left ke beloved Raghuram Rajan is an IIT Delhi Engineer who changed track to become a world famous Economist. Since he didn't pursue Economics in his undergrad, by your logic, he wasn't competent enough and passionate enough to become an economist.

Search for a guy Kailash Rajah on LinkedIn. Civil Engineer from Australia. Civil Engineer (pathar, bridge wale). Changed track to do an MS in Economics from Chicago. Now is doing PhD in Development Economics under Prof Duflo from MIT. If MIT can open doors for a non pure Economist, I am sure NLS can allow us mortals in too.

The objective of education is to open doors. Not create elitist ivory towers. Also, let's assume I was a PVTG or an ST candidate, who somehow did a BA and was the first in her village to enter a district college. Now, when I got a sales job in Bangalore, I saw the 3y LLB course at NLS.

Don't I deserve an opportunity?

Also, dear troll, search what PVTG means. UPSC prelims me pucha hai. All the best. I understand you are a troll, but, let's learn something which is not taught everywhere - Empathy and Kindness.

Having interned there, it's definitely worth it if you want to get an idea about the litigation scene in Delhi and learn a little. If you're in your 4th or 5th year, you can attempt to impress Adit and come back to work here for a work or two. It is an excellent finishing school to learn thr necessary skills for 2 or three years before you move on.

k so for context, someone reposted a motion topic that was specific to a weird kind of affirmative action policy in colleges or smthing, and then the conversation devolved to reservations quotas policies between some members, with a couple denouncing it.

first, why is this even problematic? unless you want the batch to become one massive ECHO chamber, people are entitled to their opinions.

stop whining about it like a wuss when you didn't have the courage to at least speak out against it in the forum, where you would've had the opportunity to engage in "fruitful" conversation, where at least you could've pointed out what, in your opinion, were "flawed notions".

you didn't. you have no right to cry about it here. bloody pathetic of you, shaming a member in public. we're all young, we ought to have opposing view points about stuff!

For all the NLU Kejri fanboys spamming and posting non stop since last night. 🙏

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/totally-disappointed-with-kejriwal-ex-supreme-court-judge-and-former-colleague-5289287#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

The Moot Court Committee is elated to announce that the team representing National Law University, Jodhpur has emerged as Winners at the 21st Willem C. Vis (East) International Commercial Arbitration Moot Court Competition, 2024 held at Hong Kong from 10-17th March, 2024. We are delighted to announce that they are the first team from the University to have won this competition!

The team, comprising Ms. Ananya Deshpande, Ms. Ananya Jaria, Ms. Disha Gandhi, Ms. Kavya Gupta, and Ms. Samiksha Lohia, also emerged as Winners of the Permanent Court of Arbitration Singapore Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Singapore, where Ms. Ananya Jaria won the Best Individual Oralist Award and Ms. Disha Gandhi won the Second Best Oralist Award. Additionally, the team also won the First Runners Up Award for the Best Claimant Memorandum at the AIAC – APAC Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, organised by the Asia International Arbitration Centre. Further, the team also emerged as Quarter Finalists (Round of 8) at the 13th Indian Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Jindal Global Law School Sonipat, Haryana.

The team was coached by Mr. Karan Himatsingka, Ms. Lahar Jain, Mr. Sarthak Malhotra, Mr. Akhil Chowdary Unnam, Ms Puloma Mukherjee, Ms. Simran Bherwani, and Ms. Vipashyana Hilsayan.

We congratulate the team on this outstanding performance!

The old guard has become super corrupt imo. Doesn't matter if they are journalists or politicians. Watch Karan Thapar subtly prop Congress with Najeeb Jung while throwing the Aam Aadmi Party under the bus - https://youtu.be/KHmdNTNR0yA?si=urUN0QnQYoCRAt5j

"A law student, Dhruv Jatin Thakkar, 19, died by suicide by jumping before a moving train at the Attiguppe metro station in Bengaluru around 2.15 pm on Thursday. Thereafter, metro services on the Magadi Road-Challaghatta section remained suspended for two hours.

Thakkar was a first-year BA LLB student at the National Law School of India University (NLSIU), Bengaluru, and hailed from Mumbai. The police have filed a case of unnatural death after the incident. This is the second suicide death in Namma Metro. The first such death happened when a 17-year-old boy jumped before a moving train at the MG Road metro station in 2012."
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/law-student-dies-bengaluru-metro-jumps-9227398/

I was deeply distressed reading this

No. Not at all.

I have had the fortune of being associated with all of the aforesaid institutions.

With all the respect one may have for JNU, it will never produce a candidate who may compete with NLUs and Jindals. It may, however, produce very good researchers, policy enthusiasts in which space, perhaps in the longer run, even NLUs and Jindals may fail to match JNU. But overall, (i) NLUs + Jindals, (ii) DU and other Central Universities, and (iii) JNU would continue to hold the fort for various classes.

Yes, always choose central universities. Pursue your degree from BHU or other central universities rather than state universities like NLS, Nalsar etc. You will directly get a job in Oxford if you are doing your degree from BHU/DU while people from NLS/Nalsar struggle a lot cuz state university degrees are not recognized outside india

Did you just compare a CAM partner to Ratan Tata? Ded. 💀

I do not know how big the competition practice at CAM is but pretty sure that the partner does not have 7.5 lakh people employed in the team. Sure, your argument works for Ratan Tata but stop giving ridiculous examples.

The unfortunate incidents that are coming to light is because news spread quickly when something bad happens in top NLUs. Go to TLCs, it's worse, they are filled with political goons who can do what they want. These kind of incidents are not reported. Suicides are more common in IITs than NLS, have they led to decline of IITs? No right? Hardly anyone has blamed the admin because of this suicide, the reason is not known and no one has alleged that academic rigour had got to him or the admin was insensitive to any of his pleas.

Anyone who is chattering away over here about what a badass he is, and how Tier 1 firms have been clamouring to have him, but he rejected them, and it’s as good as a bird shitting on him is full of the selfsame bird-poop lol. Go on buddy. Carry on living this noble life where you keep rejecting the poor Tier 1 firms which are dying to have you haha.

No question of dropping any attitude. They’re lucky to have these positions, period. They pay well, and provide a defined career path. People like AK hire staff to produce quality output, not do whatever they like and then leave it to the boss to sort it out, while copping an attitude. And after this disaster they’ll be lucky to find work anywhere to be honest. Some of these guys realise this, as one of the named associates has already called out the guy who made it viral (Pandey). Basically he says everyone (whether on one side of the debate or the other) is having their fun at his expense and that of the other associates, and it’s not what he expects of his colleagues at the bar.

Delhi rarely has multiple interns and equally rare and dispute res interns. Corp interns do exist and they do not get enough work to prove anything. But again I have never seen an intern take a lot of initiatives to get work. (Not your duty but advisable). In all, if getting work was the only concern and could turn the time back, I wouldn't intern here. Mumbai might throw a lot of work at interns, cant say.

SAM Cap Marks team at Delhi. You could be working on weekends pulling all nighters, sitting on 6:30AM 'update calls' on a sunday, but they still will never have the decency to even offer you the food they're ordering in, while actively passing it to the rest of the team around you. SD shoo-ed me out of his office in under 120secs when I went to ask him something. TG was a stupid fuck who never had any feedback for me, never gave me work (never even bothered to ask the people who gave me work). Everyone says your work is nice and good, until they don't call you back for call back. Never go there.

Partners don’t go around LI at all. A partners at AKs level is supposed to either execute or bring in ₹7 to 10 Crores worth of business a year. You’re poorly informed if you think they’re supposed to be checking every document that goes out. They have Partners UNDER them who have PAs under them who do all that.

I do not understand the reason why the comment has downvotes and why are you asking them to join politics.

imp: I do not intend to blame anyone for anything

The person is spot on. In your college days A LOT can go wrong and everyone gets to react the way they want to. RIP to the person we lost. However, eradicating depression or anxiety for that matter is not a possible solution. The practical solution is making everyone feel heard and acknowledged. The way your grief dilutes when you get to share it and there is an atmosphere favorable for your recovery.

NLUs (I am looking especially at you NLUO) cannot do that. The administration comes from an idea where the generations below them are evil and do things to cause havoc. When an administrator is so unwilling to understand what a kid is like and presupposes malice, it will never be cordial.

NLUO has seen multiple suicides and attempts in the past few years. People always had trouble in the Uni, but pre covid the Uni had an impeccable student support system. (I dont speak for everyone) but people could vent out and say the things they felt. It felt like a place where everyone was valid (cannot ignore the fact that many people were casteists and sexists and caused validity issues) but at least a good part of that small society stood up for each other.

The new administration saw this and thought of this as a rave party going cult that does not have any academic interests. Mind you this college was in semis of Jessup and Quarters of Vis Vienna that year, it had bent NUJS HSF backwards by winning it on repeat back then. The students were ushing as hard as they could. It just did not fit with the idea.

Forward to an administration that did everything to break the student based society and isolate everyone. I am not saying that people took steps because of the Uni admin, but they could have had a better chance at solving their issues if not for this admin.

I do not intend to blame anyone for anything, I will never know enough to pin it down on someone. But there is obvious responsibility of people who destroyed the communication channels handmade by people according to their preferences. People grieve when there's grief but give up when they're isolated.

It is for us to not isolate anyone but also for the admin to let people be and let their ideas of communicating survive.

May you find peace kid.

Comeback stronger NLS, the idea of self harm spreads very easily, be cautious and kind. Do better than NLUO did.

Peace

AZB rewarded 'Best place to work' by ET Edge.

Nothing more to say.

I guess to win against the system that is otherwise rigged against simple people, we should have been born as Mr. sorabjee's daughter who openly in news articles stated that my daughter is a bully. Absolute sham. Warriors of justice it seems.

Personally so far I had heard only good things about the partner being supportive and not being toxic. So can’t judge on the face of it. There are lot of underlying issues and reasons for such an email. Given the attitude of the associate, no wonder why he was reprimanded this way (referring to his Instagram and twitter posts)

you dont even know what youre saying do you? What is PR team? do you really think- sidharth chauhan, the guy who cant afford basic things because hes been living on a government salary for years, and never has had one allegation of corrupt behaviour- that guy has hired a pr team to write defend him on a nearly defunct website?

or you think people who like him are speaking in his defense. whats wrong with that?

he left his job at nls when academic integrity was on the line. and as someone he does mentor from time to time- hes never given me any advice except to keep my head down and do good work and try and stay out of controversy. hes not some rabble rouser at all. In fact hes actually pulled me back from making more of a fuss and steered me toward conventionally successful paths.

You clearly dont know him at all .

Please clarify if you are looking to obtain Legal Heir certificate or Succession certificate/ Letters of Administration issued by the High Court?

The court fees is 75k for SuccessionCertificate/ LoA. Needless to say your lawyer will charge you.Testamentary is the slowest department to exist. 8-10 months.

Please consider that the court fees is actually not exhorbitant as you can transfer assets worth crores.

Lastly, please note that Legal Heir Certificate, Succession Certificate and Letters of Administration are different.

If I remember correctly, the discussion was not about affirmative action in general but a very specific motion in some debate, as far as I can make out you're very clearly wrongly representing the discussion that went down, which too was two sides trying to debate an agenda of a competition one of them was going to

Honestly, the fact that you had to bring a discussion that was happening on the group with both sides giving rational constructive arguments and being open to listening to each other out here on LI to anonymously and unconstructively bitch about it shows who the stupid fella is

I am a BJP supporter. My own view is that the ED should have arrested Abhishek Banerjee instead, because the corruption that the TMC has engaged in is a trillion times more serious than whatever the AAP is alleged to have done. Kejriwal cannot be held personally liable if his ministers took bribes, whereas in Abhishek Banerjee’s case a money trail can be traced back to Leaps and Bounds Ltd, where he was the founding director.

I therefore condemn the arrest of Kejriwal and accuse Modi of rank hypocrisy, because he is going soft on the TMC because the TMC has hurt the Congress and helped the BJP by rejecting a seat-sharing offer with the Congress.

But I will still vote for BJP in the interests of economic development, because the alternative is socialism.

Whats the process for getting a legal heir certificate in Mumbai for a person who has died intestate? And what are the usual timelines?

For a middle class person, the numbers, just as court fees being quoted is just exorbitant. My cousins were straight out told by a fellow lawyer, they hired that 75k is the court fees, without examination of documents, whereas the cap is 75k.

Am i missing something?

Then he needs law school and legal education more than you do. Start thinking like that and your life will become happier, I assure you. Young people who oppose affirmative action are those who have not been taught properly about why it is necessary by good teachers who know what they are talking about. That is what law school is for.

NDA for that matter really has a different culture.

Flat structure ensures that anyone showing seniority complex is not appreciated. People are always advised to be respectful even to office staff. People being rude to office staff has been taken up in town hall meetings.

While the team dynamics might be inclined towards bit of favouritism but the levels are checked and well below the practices at other law firms. Hard work is appreciated and micromanagement is not the norm. No limit on work from home as long you are responsive and not strolling around

All of that is fine, but you're deluded if you think a law firm partner is on the same level as a CEO or a ship's captain lmao. Reminds me of my delusional former boss who'd keep comparing corporate lawyers to doctors, as if we were doing anything but making life a little worse for everyone involved.

This partner in question is paid an insane amount of money to send out documents that reflect "excellence and value", despite which she literally didn't bother to check the documents and the math that went out. She IS the lower management you talk of. Partners going around LI pretending to be entrepreneurs is hilarious. Y'all are wageslaves like the rest of us, act like it.

Challenge PMLA as in, the constitutionality of it? The SC has upheld it, review is pending.

Or do you mean the invocation of PMLA? Countless courts have already ruled it that this is not the stage for it. Challenge to summons do not lie at this stage either (lots of judgments on this too, most recent ones in Del HC from J. Swarna Kanta Sharma). And since s.50 summons do not disclose that they are directed towards a witness or an accused, a recipient of the notice is not allowed to plead existence of an apprehension of arrest and thus cannot claim anticipatory bail either ("it's just a summons, you are not even an accused yet").

I very strongly wish the judicial system functioned the way you imagine it to function.

What you are saying is extremely subjective. It is completely dependant on the instructions given, and the remarks passed. Very factual.

But let's come to what's not factual- Partners these days do not have the time or patience to tech juniors. The reasoning for this may be bad targets from the ultimate boss or just incompetence to manage or lead, but the truth is quite clear- a whole generation cannot be incompetent. Almost every junior facing issues in the team with their boss or senior highlights bad, incomplete or incorrect instructions.

Partners- learn to communicate better. None of you have had management training, we understand, but that's no reason to shit on juniors when they turn in the work according to the instructions they received and interpreted.

Understand the wavelength of the junior and give them instructions accordingly, and also align your expectations.

If you expect them to think 10 steps ahead, atleast show them the first 3. Atleast teach them how to think better and optimise their commercial understanding.

You Partners who do not communicate are the problem. Pick up a management book and become better.

Start with accepting you need to improve/evolve, instead of blaming it on Gen X, Y, Z whatever.

I think both has value, cause many US firms are based out of UK more specifically London.

But UK is cheaper than US, I think cost of studying in US is twice, min 1 cr.

The only benefit is you can be NY qualified, as for SQE you dont need to do an llm from UK.

But do from a good institute thats all that matters

LLM route - no guarantee tho

Lateral hiring application

Seeking internships there

Training Contract route

Vacation scheme route

Networking route - seek to work for few months there as a intern/ trainee - either by cold emailing or directly meeting partners at key events.

Talk to Indians working there

It is difficult but not impossible

And don't let any mf convince u otherwise

I have worked temporarily in a top foreign based law firm. good work life balance, dignity and respect. but they are strict about their standard. not impossible to achieve. 2- 3 years of Indian law firm experience works wonders (pref tier 1 or 2). have hope in your heart. it may just take some time. does not matter if you reach there is 2/3/4/5 years. once you get there, there is no looking back.

In my NLU, there have been applications by LLM grads from Jindal for both PhD and teaching posts. On being asked to clarify, one person had confirmed that their degree was online. They were not shortlisted for such positions. So the question that does not arise does in fact arise. Aspirants should be aware of the fact.

Agree that young lawyers don’t understand the responsibilities of being a partner but as a partner you have to stand up for your team, after all, it’s YOUR team. If something has gone wrong, it’s the team’s responsibility. You can’t blame just the junior associates who are maybe 2-3 years into this profession. You are a partner for a reason and they are associates for a reason. Maybe you should have reviewed their work or gotten it reviewed from a senior.

Delhi is the epitome of elitist crap. Being from Delhi myself never faced such bs while working in Mumbai, hardly anyone cared about where your pg is or what car you're driving nothing really mattered apart from work (at least in my team)

Shifted back to Delhi and the racism (people asking your caste the first thing when you meet them) and elitism is insane.

I think its more nuanced than that. I’ve heard horror stories from multiple sources about Khaitan mumbai as well. The problem is that with firms, partners and associates almost always find themselves in a game of revolving chairs and no matter how great the ‘firm culture’ is, partners have a lot of power in their hands to make your life difficult if they want to. People say the same thing about homegrown Trilegal folks but having worked with a bunch of them, I can tell you that even working at places that boast of having a non-toxic culture, its not guaranteed that you’ll have a good time. Moral of the story: decide what is a priority for you and what constitutes as the bare minimum in your book at a workplace and do your diligence before joining any team.

Easier said than done. There’s no conclusive evidence pointing to the fact that the people being berated in the email have leaked the email, but they would invariably end up bearing the brunt of this in some way. Its a vicious circle. The cost of speaking up is too high, but so is the cost of not speaking up.

So much nonsense in this post. The CEO of a company doesn’t go around checking every small job that a mechanic does. He or she hires good people and trusts them to get on with the job, under the supervision of lower management. If they can’t do their work properly, said hires are no longer employed. Same is here. Business is about survival and survival is earned by continued excellence and value provided to the customer. Not phoning it in and mouthing off to your bosses, only to collect an cheque at the end of the month. And no one guillotines captains of ships, you’ve mixed up your metaphors.