Write PJs about your life. Read PJ from other's life. And enjoy.

I will start - Men would relate to this. All problems in the world - like, wars, famine, poverty, inequality, diseases, can be cured by a barber.

Barber? Yes, the Indian barber has a cure to all problems in the universe.

What is the cure?

Bas, sir, agar Hair SPA kara lete toh yeh theek ho jata. Abe saale, 2 baal bache hai, hair spa ka aachar daalu main? Har din, har baat pe, Hair Spa.

These pre-pandemic peeps need to catch up with us. I don't think you can berate the younger lot but also reply on their youth, vulnerability and capacity to tolerate abuse in order to sustain an obviously dysfunctional corporate partnership culture of tier 1s.

You say the younger lot but you also rely on the invention of younger lot i.e. technology, AI, legal research platforms, whatsapp (cases can not be file using the forum, validity of this app is I'm depth spoken about in courts), manupatra, ssc, etc.

Imagine another scenario- senior professionals getting fired. YOU have to catch up with the times and culture. You CANNOT pass snide comments and oppress us into submitting to an abusive boss. If something is not ok in this day and age, stop being lazy, understand the reasoning and change and improve.

I would love to see your kids/ younger loved ones go through the same culture, Sir. 🥰

Why is the marked as troll? The associates don't care about virtual interns and that's a fact. OP come to this thread after it gets over and you'll realise. Best of luck.

Try converting it into physical and aks your mentor. They can do this and it'll make your experience 10x better

Been posted many times before. UK LLB grads are preferred for TCs in the UK: not just Oxbridge and LSE/KCL/UCL, but also Manchester, Leeds, Warwick, York , Newcastle etc. But in India firms prefer to hire NLU LLB grads over UK LLB grads even if they have passed the equivalency exam. This is because:

1. They've just been doing that for years and years.

2. UK grads typically intern at UK firms instead of Indian firms, so the Indian firms didn't get a first look at them.

3. They think UK grads lack knowledge of Indian law and need time to catch up.

4. They think UK grads might be a bit spoilt and not be able to work 18 hours a day like NLU grads.

5. A degree of insecurity and resentment. As in: "Hah! My beloved NLU is much better than Oxford (although I will definitely admit my son to Oxford, since I now make enough money). "

As a matter of fact, there have been multiple instances in the past 25 years where people have been admitted to NLSIU and other NLUs but could not clear their boards, including both merit list and reserved list students. They had to retake CLAT and the entrance exams before that in pre-CLAT days. I know some of these people. Without giving away their identities, I will only say that that people have lots of difficulties with family, health etc that we should not make light of. One case I know of is extremely tragic. However, I am happy to share that the people who I am talking about are all doing very well in their careers today, so there is a happy ending! But having said that, the point about ICSE/ISC board is an interesting one, because the cases I am aware of involved this board, which people say is more difficult than CBSE.

Does ITC provide PPOs? If yes then what should one do to secure such a PPO? as in what sort of internships etc. etc., would firm internships help? or should one try doing inhouse internships? also what sort of corp work should one expect in ITC? would be grateful for any and all info provided thanks!

Totally agree! Had crazy long hours in a CAM Bombay mega partner's big team, but absolutely none to very low toxicity and super professional working environment with the main man himself being very inspiring. And then had worst forms of toxicity despite okay-ish working hours. Latter is worse, affects mentally and physically.

I am writing this as a person who knows the partner and 2 of the juniors mentioned in the email and many others in the CC.

1. With regards to the mistake. People make mistakes and that is why things are checked again and again in a law firm when the stakes are high. And the stakes are high when disclosures are made to a regulator. In the current case, the responsibility lies both with the juniors and the partner leading the matter. While i don't expect AK (or her equivalent) in other firms to cross check every part of the data (and market share calculations can be extensive), the hands-on partner must have had checked this. While mistakes must be addressed, and culprits must be rebuked, it must not be turned in a circus with audience, which AK has done in this email. That is unprofessional. At best, the entire team should have got the load-down.

2. With regards the attitude approach - First i really appreciate AK addressing the issue. toxic behaviour not only damages overall moral, it also causes good resources to leave and makes training juniors harder. People who acts like God's gift to mankind in a team are largely the ones who are very problematic. Having said that, the feedback should not have gone out like this. As AK says, this should not be like a cinema where she is playing for the crowd. While it is important that the team knows that toxic members are dealt with, AK could have word with the members privately and then informed the team that the issue has been addressed, and if specific examples persist to privately bring them up with her and if necessary, the perpetrator. This is not to say that AK had not spoken to these guys earlier in a private conversation. If she did and the attitude didn't change, it was time to let these people go. That would be the professional way. While she stood up to bullying - she did it in a way which would make bullies around the world swell with pride. That's the sad part here.

Anyways, this will die down, and I hope AK continues to have the teams back, but in a more nuanced fashion. I hope folks like the people mentioned in the email learn their lessons.

No one has an answer because this first year kid who asked the question would know the answer if s/he ever did a single reading that was assigned in class. It's frankly a silly question that doesn't deserve an answer. Still, to prevent you from claiming I said this since I don't have an answer:

Journal volumes are not intended to be one coherent comprehensive monograph on a topic (discounting themed volumes of course). Rather, think of it like a magazine with annual editions, which just serves as a platform for academic discourse. Where else would academics publish with peer review? It's also possible to have online versions with rolling submissions and publications instead of volumes, which some journals do.

On how to read them - you can either read them cover to cover or read the ones that interest you. However, no one does this; they're intended for readership by those conducting specific research on the matter after they pop up in search results on databases or the net.

That said, none of the University journals in India can be called "hotshot" or even worth their weight in print barring NLSIR (I myself am from a competitor NLU to NLS).

Maybe return to first year BA LLB and learn the difference between doctrinal and empirical research, and the value of both. Law is not a social science, never mind empirical 'scholars' (like you) trying to make it into one. Law is a system of rules and principles, and doctrinal scholarship suits it perfectly.

MIT does not even compare itself to Harvard. See the Microeconomics course by Prof Jonathan Gruber. He makes fun of Harvard all the time. He says - in our time, if there were more Harvard students in an MIT lecture, it meant, the class was easy as hell. So, who am I compare MIT to a Univ in India? I could have compared it to IIT Madras, at max.

You didn't know about Noble Laureate Prof Esther Duflo (who might have done more for India than most of your NLU alumni combined), do you? Her work in Randomized Controlled Trials have effects in all decision making of Govt. of India. Such compassionate and dedicated lady.

Isiliye kehte hai, nikal ja law bubble se bhai.

This is highly disrespectful towards the candidates who do not come from well off backgrounds and have worked their ass off to secure a seat in top NLUs. I am from NLS and I know people who have recieved 100% fee exemption because they come from Economically-weaker families. Some of the means based scholarship holders have actually come from the general list. (Not that people from other categories are not meritorious but I know u will throw that argument so wanted to put it forward pre-emptively). Personally, I come from an English medium school where the teachers hardly ever spoke English and used to teach in local language. I have spent less than 20k on my preparation for CLAT and I am sure that there are thousand others like me.

Have you gone to the IITs or checked the data of people who Crack UPSC or other entrance exams? Most of them do come from well-off families. For 1 son of a rickshaw puller who cracks UPSC, there are 1000 others who come from peak privileged families and this is bound to happen. For any competitive exams no matter which kind of skill they test, the priviledged gets access to better facilities and so are better equipped. Of course if you had this much sense in your brain you would have cracked CLAT and not cry on LI.

You know, what I don't understand is, why so much spite and hatred? I understand this post is for trolling. Some kid writes, then some kid responds and this cycle continues. But, someone must have had this original thought to type and post this and enjoy the upheaval, even when their syllabus and study load is allegedly so much.

Kid, dekho. I was introduced to law after reading Constitutional law in UPSC CSE preparation. Unlike lawyers who have others laws to understand, for us, Indian constitution has to be mugged. Vaise bhi UPSC aajkal interpretation level pe chali gyi hai. Till that time, it was unthinkable in my friend circle to take law or study for CLAT. Unthinkable. I would have been a pariah. No one in my extended friend group is a lawyer. All are Engineers. Once I did engineering I realized, I don't like it.

How hard is it to understand? I had no clue that some world beyond IIT exists. Now, let me answer some of your questions because of which you write some much again and again.

Q1. You get NLU tag without cracking CLAT.

No, we are not in this for the NLU tag. Actually, most of us are here for the good legal education which NLS can provide. For any engineer in India, any IIT>IIM ABCL, BITS Pilani, IISc > ISB H, FMS, XLRI, SRCC>other IIMs>LSR,MDI. That's it. For us, NLU tag has literally no value. No value. 0. Ask a Product Manager at Flipkart if he has heard of NLUs in his state. He will say no. Actually, Faculty of Delhi University is more well known to us as many who crack UPSC CSE, attend that college.

So, we are not in this for the tag. Bar 3y law students from buying your hoodie/shirt. I will support it.

Q2. You will steal our jobs.

A. Dekho, firstly, most people who come in the 3y course, actually have jobs. Maybe not earning 20-30 lakh per annum, or not working at McKinsey, but, they have good enough jobs, which when supplemented with a good MBA can earn 40-50 lakh in 3y. So, it is not that people who come for the 3y course will die if they don't practice Law.

B. I do agree that anyone who invests 3 years will want a placement and this will lead to more competition for the almost same number of jobs. But, there are 4 points -

- 1. These are private firms. They make their own decisions. No one, (maybe, except top party brass), dictates terms to them. Their HRs and hiring team won't exactly be swayed, no matter how much the VC advocates for the 3y admits. So, it is their own decisions.

- 2. Private firms don't care about you. For them, we all are - resources. Nothing more, nothing less. So, stop attaching so much of your self worth to them. I read about how the supposed happiest place on earth (Google HQ), shut off access to employee email accounts and sent a list to people who were laid off.

- 3. You came to this college on "supposed" merit. Then, why are you afraid now? People will take cognisance of your superior skills (which the 3y LLB students (according to you) might never have), and will recognize you.

- 4. Even if we do not get a law job, I will (plead a bit) and come back to my current job. I am not dependent on the Law placements for living my life. Of course, if I was placed, it would be a good application of my 3 years.

You know, what people realize after preparing for UPSC CSE? That the difference in gyan, reading ability, knowledge, ability to summarise and research content, is really not that much between the 501st rank and AIR 1. It has more to do with interview and some luck. This awareness increases humility. This only comes with experience.

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All institutions, all ideas evolve. IIM A Director has emphasized that slowly, PGPX (1y course) will replace the 2y Flagship PGP. So, should we proclaim that the 2y students are smarter than PGPX course students? No.

So, ideas evolve. The objective of IITs was to produce Engineers. Engineering means applied science. Hence, till last 5y, their undergrad was the flagship. They were not suppose to be too research driven. Now, the idea has shifted to become a full fledged research institute as Indian Govt. is flush with money. So, slowly Masters and PhD is also improving.

Similarly, India needs more quality lawyers, more jurists to support the 140 crore population. See the world Quality. Quality can be provided only by the NLUs and some other Central govt. institutes. So, for inclusive growth, and for building a nation which follows Constitutional morality in her decisions, more legally educated people are needed.

How is this a bad thing?

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Q3. What will my advice be to you?

No one was there to guide me when I started preparing for UPSC. I shitted here and then I shitted there. Wasted time doing mistakes after mistakes. My advice is that if you have so much free time, don't waste it on us. Spend time with yourself. The university, the nation, no one gives one hoot shit about you. Your fests don't mean a thing. Everyone will continue with their lives. NLUs will continue to get applications. Even more in their 3y course.

So, search for Sleepy Classes. Buy it's Rs. 12k full UPSC package and start preparing for UPSC CSE. Complete the prelims syllabus before your 5 years end. This way you will have an edge once you enter job market and think of cracking civil services. Remember, you won't be fighting people like us, you will be fighting IIT B and IIT Delhi top rankers. Do you really think the topper of your class who went to IIT was not capable enough to crack CLAT? He/She chose not to.

So, mug the content. Solve the Vision IAS test papers and ratofy the solutions. Be iron ready. Aage aapki marzi.

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Lastly, it takes guts to say no to a 1y MBA, leave your job, and sacrifice time to get a law degree later in life.

I will live my life. You will live yours. You will continue posting shit here and get some kicks, I will move on. The 3y students will move on. Your time, energy and emotions will be wasted which you could have used in reading Vision IAS current affairs magazine and later, serving lakhs of underprivileged communities through your ethical decisions.

Anyway, all the best! Aage aapki marzi. Continue posting shit here. I hope I have helped at least 1 person.

Dude I'll be honest, it's always contacts that help especially in the present market. This is because peoples decisions come with discretion, which is usually exercised haphazardly because lawyers are trash in administration and usually are burning the midnight oil in their law work. This is why law firms much invest in MBA level admin systems + proper tech integration. However the partners won't concede because this brings centralisation and control from the management, something equity partners dont want. They want micromanagement and shop like work. Just look at that viral mail, in a corporate no-one should be able to make such informal shits.

The following assumptions are tried and tested and I know people at all levels (who dont help me tho smh). This is for a TIER 1 FIRMS in M&A/ GC and other star practices- SCAM Mumbai Del Bangalore, Trilegal Mumbai Gurgaon Bangalore , Khaitan Mumbai, AZB Mumbai, JSA Mumbai Gurgaon (add B&F), S&R Associates.

A Contact- No help, but can get you more work assigned if you were to intern, but again the SA and PA would decide the assessment

SA Contact- Internship applications

PA Contact/ Government official contact- Above and proper assessment during internships, including chance at callback or PPO interview (if close to the equity partner or is very influential, which may usually be the case tbh)

6+ Year Salaried Partner Contact/ IAS IPS IRS IFS level contact- Above and PPO interview certainly + lateral hires as well + fast promotions to SA Level (depending on the influence on the equity partner) + not much work to be done because you have a freeway

(PS- Here assuming the SP is doing partner functions and isn't a glorified PA, think 6+ years as SP after promotion and is quite close to partnership, if you arent think consider in PA, for example some partners at SAM or AZB Mumbai)

EP Contact/ Client Company level contact- Anything till making Partner in the team

Senior EP/ Management Team level distal Contact/ Client Company Senior Executive level contact - Above and you dont have to do any work for promotions to EP in a few years

Managing Partner Close Contact (Shroffs/ Luthra son)/ Top Client Company Promoter level contact/ Minister level contact(why would they even join a law firm, so no examples)- Direct place in equity partnership and management team without the need for work

Fortune 500 promoter/ executive level contact/ Amdani ka beta- Anything you want for no work, again you have better things to do

With this logic, Shailesh J Mehta school of Management IIT Bombay should be shut down because IITs are supposed to be Tech universities. Nowadays, they also have Dept of Development studies which was what TISS was for.

Abe, NLU naam hai. U as in University. University has a lot of Departments and colleges. Agar spite aur hatred ke aage dekhte, toh aisa bakwas likhne me time waste nahi karte.

Never understood why people continue in ICSE in class 11-12th. No offence, this is dumb. Central Universities like DU won't give you extra marks or consideration while CBSE students will have some marks inflation. And this class 12th marks will even have an effect if you ever gave CAT.

So, it is dumb to study in ICSE board in Class 11-12th. When the world is so hyper competitive that, 1 mark can make or break lives, why get into this?

Please don't come to me with all the - I wanted to learn crap. I have seen boys living, breathing aerospace engineering (so much so that you cannot even sit with them without them giving gyan on some aerospace concept to show off), doing MBA in Sales and selling FMCG products.

Now, you got into NLS, a great university. And see, you are stuck. Whose fault is it? Anyway, all the best!

Have you even seen the list? Plenty of state universities, central universities and even private universities are there. However, there is no university in that list for any programme of law. Not state, not central, nor private. Which goes to show that the UGC does not recognise bachelor's or master's programme in law to be delivered in distance or online mode. This should also put to rest Jindal's claims that their online LLM will be recognised by other public universities in India. It won't, because UGC doesn't recognise online LLMs.

at the very least, you can get a PPO interview scheduled through contacts. a friend of mine's dad told them they have the contacts to get them a 15 LPA job straight out of college as long as they graduated but if they wanted to get a higher salary he'd have to put in effort. Idk about you, but 15 LPA would be more than ideal for me at this stage of our economy but unfortunately, I dont have that kind of contacts.

No, as someone from IDIA, I can assure you that it's not the case. However, our visually challenged students from the same city are often allotted the same centre since the consortium prefers to have PWD candidates limited to one or two centres if possible for logistics reasons. Moreover, we usually fill up the forms together, so normal allotment may also take place together in the same city.

That has always been the case with two exceptions. NLSIU and NALSAR. The former had received approval from IGNOU when it was the regulator of all distance education courses. Later when the DEB of UGC became the designated regulator, UGC withheld approval when NLSIU applied afresh. These were MBL and two other courses. NLSIU went to Karnataka HC and got temporary relief. Later the HC directed UGC to show more initiative in taking a decision regarding the courses. Whether NLSIU finally got the approvals or was exempted is not known.

NALSAR had started unapproved courses (VCV was in-charge of the courses then). This was exposed in a special inquiry conducted by Andhra HC judges (probably when VS was VC) and reported by Kian. So, NALSAR had to clean up and it completely revamped and got all the approvals. Everything was spot on (in this dept) when FM was the VC. Wouldn't know what's the scene now. Maybe NALSAR did not have to do much after that because univs with certain (high) NAAC ratings were given the benefit of not going through the entire process every time by DEB.

NUJS, GNLU, RGNUL et al never had these approvals. While NUJS-iPleaders-Dillon's et al came out in the open due to student agitations, GNLU and RGNUL quietly discontinued their "private" arrangements.

This entire thing has left a rather disgusting taste in one's mouth. There's a rule that says you have to treat fellow advocates with respect and courtesy. There is another rule that says an advocate cannot act in a manner that brings disrepute to the profession in general. There is cause. I will be writing to the Bar Council. Hope they do something. If they don't do something in a month I will follow up via writ if I am still disgusted by then.

"And no one guillotines captains of ships, you’ve mixed up your metaphors."

Yes they do. When you on sea and you piss off the crew and lose their confidence. They don't guillotine you, but they do make you walk a plank. It is clear that a partnership is the only ship you've ever served on.

Hi all, I have a confirmation for an assessment internship from a T3 firm for April which I received a day or two ago. The tricky part is it's within their M&A Gen Corp team (of which I've had no read exposure) and the firm is known to push good amount of work to interns.

While the work to interns is a good part I'm very confused as to how do I prepare for the opportunity? What kind of documents will I be summarising/ editing for an M&A and in general the basics of the practice area.

Request to associates or experienced interns to share their wisdom in the comments to this wrt how do I prepare my best and what sources/ web sources I can rely to read about the basics so that I'm not clueless at my internship. Treat this as a make or break opportunity for your younger brother please. I need this job for the family than me at this moment without going into the details of my situation. I shall be thankful to all.

So calling out bad behaviour / passive aggression / poor work quality is "berating" in your world, is it so my friend?

In any profession, if you can't deliver good work, then you either need to buck up or leave.

Its so easy to label things as toxic, without actually understanding or being privy to facts.

There is NO justification for sharing it - whoever shared it has scarred the people more than the email would've ever did. Period.

No one is indispensable - however, that doesn't give anyone a free pass to harass people or deliver poor quality work.

GenZ needs to stop being touchy about everything said and done which doesn't align with their expectations.

There you go. Exactly the attitude I was taking about. Mumbaikars refuse to accept the fact that there are many things wrong about themselves and their city, and use phrases like "shitting on the very city" and "feel free to live in your bubble". Typical Mumbaikar response. Wasn't expecting anything better. Thank you for proving my point.

State NLUs are not on this list. Meaning - that any online and distance learning degrees and diplomas offered by any state NLUs are not recognized by UGC.

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/ugc-releases-list-of-80-universities-for-online-courses-apply-by-march-31-2518537-2024-03-23

I agree. For a guy who took no responsibility while his party was in power for two full terms, and embarrassed OUR prime minister (by tearing his ordinance in parliament), it's rather rich of him to ask for our vote and call his alliance INDIA. I have voted Congress several times, but this level of