‘Second Intern’ posts to social media, says ex-judge promised never to molest anyone again

A second intern's comment was left under a Facebook post by NUJS professor Shamnad Basheer
A second intern's comment was left under a Facebook post by NUJS professor Shamnad Basheer

A post on social media corroborated parts of the sexual harassment allegations against a former Supreme Court judge made by one of his former research assistants (“SJ”).

Another intern to the judge (the “Second Intern”) published her account on social media on the evening of Monday, 11 November 2013, under her own name.

The Second Intern was not reachable and did not respond to requests for comment or agree to disclosure of her identity. However, Legally India reliably understands that she was also an intern of the same judge with whom SJ had interned.

The Second Intern wrote in a Facebook comment in a discussion on Monday evening that she had herself been “at the receiving end of unsolicited sexual advance [sic] more than once”. However, after confronting the judge with SJ’s allegation he promised “that he would never misbehave with another lady”, according to the Second Intern’s social media post. (see below)

The initial allegations were made on 6 November in a blog post by SJ, in which she was trying to come to terms with the experience, explaining in detail her decision on why she had decided to share it publicly (“I felt I had a responsibility to ensure that other young girls were not put in a similar situation”) while at the same time deciding not to name the judge and bring a formal complaint against him (“I bore, and still bear, no real ill-will towards the man, and had no desire to put his life’s work and reputation in question”).

SJ expanded upon her blog post in an interview with Legally India on the afternoon of Monday 11 November, revealing that she had heard of “three other cases [of sexual harassment] by the same judge and I know of at least four other girls who’ve faced harassment from other judges - not perhaps as [bad as mine]: most of them were in the chambers of the judge and other people around, so it never gets too bad.”

“A girl I know faced continuous sexual harassment throughout and sexual advances, and actually faced troubles through her work because of it,” said SJ.

On Tuesday, the Supreme Court constituted a three-member committee of judges to look into the allegations after the story made national newspaper and TV headlines, with SJ having been requested to appear before the inquiry on Monday.

Update 15 November, 2:28am: The Second Intern’s post appeared on Facebook as a comment in an online discussion surrounding a public note on SJ’s blog post, which was made by NUJS Kolkata professor Shamnad Basheer on Monday. Since the first publication of this article, the Second Intern’s comments have been deleted from the comment thread on Facebook, in order to protect her identity and privacy, so we can now provide a link to the Facebook thread in which the comment was made.

The Second Intern had written in her Facebook comment:

The funny part is, it was very likely that i would have been the person in [SJ]’s place. I’ve been at the receiving end of unsolicited sexual advance more than once , and so has she [SJ]. And we kept attributing all the signs of leeriness to our hypersensitivity to such situations, mistrusting our instincts. We discussed innocuously said off colour remarks and dismissed their creepiness because we really respected him [the judge], and the possibility seemed at odds with everything we knew about him, his ideas about feminism, patriarchy, social justice…

If only the world was so uncomplicated that you could tell the bad guys from the good guys with a glance. If we weren’t women in a man’s world, we wouldn’t need to explain why we didn’t do what the women in Anurag Kashyap’s short film [link] did. You can’t go around beating up your uncles and cousins without risking your family’s wellbeing. There’s something at stake which is perhaps important to the people who you care about, even if it isn’t important to you. Like your own life.

In any case, violence is such an easy reaction. And how has that solved the world’s problems, pray? Of course, Mr. Justice lost his RA’s [research assistants], he also got a good talking to, a brushing down that his father should have given him, which he received from a 23 year old girl… And maybe, maybe that is a better route? Not necessarily violent, but not voiceless. Being lawyers, we understand not only the value of being litigious, but also when litigiousness is a handicap, when better results might be achieved without invoking law’s violence to one’s aid, when negotiations and personal confrontations might be better, and when informal means are more useful to achieve the ends we seek.

In this case, we spoke to other women who had worked with him and found out that there was a history to such behaviour. (Perhaps it’s a psychological problem, who knows? Some neediness issues.) We also alerted some female senior faculty to the incident so that they would ensure that no female student was assigned work with him without being told to be on her guard.

Why deprive girls from the chance to work with an illustrious mind because the mind is a little sick? A guy who gets the task would get a savvy CV and a better job opp. We didn’t want girls to be left at a disadvantage.

After all, maybe his fear of our possible relash could have disciplined him into better behaviour.

He promised, incidentally, that he would never misbehave with another lady. Maybe it’s naiveté to believe him. Maybe it’s just youthful optimism. Being brave is tougher than it appears on the face of it, no? [… SJ] has oodles of courage.

Comments

Concerned Guest 14 Nov 2013, 13:00
+3 -3
I find this second intern's post strange, a colleague tells her the judge sexually assaulted her, and the second intern is extracting promises from the judge that he will not molest again ...!

something does not sit right about this account.

Kian, Can you direct us to this social media post so we can read the entire post?
kianganz 14 Nov 2013, 13:09
+12 -1
We won't be publishing a link to the post to protect the identity of the Second Intern; I trust readers can understand and respect that.

Her account is pretty much re-produced in its entirity above, however. The sequence of events, I reliably understand, is that the Second Intern gave the ex-judge a direct and unequivocal verbal dressing down, after SJ told her what happened.

Quoting from the post above, in her own words: "he also got a good talking to, a brushing down that his father should have given him, which he received from a 23 year old girl..."

It is not inconceivable for an honourable judge, whatever his alleged personal failings, to have felt genuinely sorry and embarrassed by the confrontation and by what happened, and that he ended up expressing this sentiment.
Anand Mohan 15 Nov 2013, 14:37
+1 -2
But what is the harm in disclosing the name of the judge. If an internal inquiry has been directed it does not mean that other important pillar of democracy ,i.e., media can not discharge its functions.
Avinash Lewis 16 Nov 2013, 21:10
+2 -0
@Concerned Guest,

Do we have to prove by going to Galileo Galilei time, That sun rises in East and sets in west?

Well do we all want to taste poison? Well if the answer is "No"

More than one person has proved w/o damaging the reputation

Now its for the Bar Council to decide further course of action by introducing checks and balances so these things are not repeated and reputation is not further dented

The other day i was speaking to a Diplomat... who pointed out how Indian Judiciary works

Regards
AL, United Nations, Vienna
Guest 14 Nov 2013, 13:46
+5 -3
Molest...really?? Is dat d appropriate word?
Concerned Guest 14 Nov 2013, 13:48
+4 -4
Kian, if the second intern has posted on social media, then it is in the public domain and on a matter of such grave importance, we should be able to read what she has stated.

On your response, I cannot understand why you would describe such a man as "honorable" and it is not a matter of his personal failing, the complaints are of at least one sexual assault and of multiple repetitive instances of sexual harassment.

And we are to believe that such a man expressed genuine regret!

He would certainly have been embarrassed and alarmed by the confrontation.

However, I still find the account strange, though it does confirm the account of Stella James.

I strongly believe this website should name the judge. He does not deserve to be protected in any manner.
Disagree 14 Nov 2013, 15:14
+9 -2
[quote name="Concerned Guest"]...I strongly believe this website should name the judge. He does not deserve to be protected in any manner.[/quote]

Strongly disagree with the above. A SC Committee has been set up to investigate the allegations. People from Stella's batch are aware who the judge was. There is no reason to name the judge yet. Kudos to what Stella has done, it really would have taken some guts but I suggest till time the allegations are established, the name of the judge and even the second intern should be kept private.

Your request sounds more like hunger for gossip rather than bona fide concern.
Concerned Guest 15 Nov 2013, 04:48
+4 -0
I know who the judge is and have already named him in public on MSM comments and in public emails and in the Delhi High Court.

The question is one of rule of law. A retired or even a sitting judge is not entitled to privacy as far as naming him as accused in a sexual assault case is concerned.

Why is the retired judge getting this favorable treatment that violates Article 14?

Why a secret and confidential inquiry by siting judges? what legal authority do these judges have to investigate a sexual assault complaint against a retired judge.

In the legallyindia interview, SJ has mentioned that more than one SC judge was accused of sexual harassment. How do we know that [...] or [...] are not among that list?

The gossip is in any case going on, with several names of retired judges being mentioned. So why not name the actual accused?
Avinash Lewis 16 Nov 2013, 23:31
+0 -0
True agreed, its just tip of iceberg and Honorable ML Sharma is above Law to file a PIL and wants action against LI and Toi...Well i can say its voilation of freedom of expression

Well i have a Question for ML Sharma? are you for Sexual H or Against Sexual H, if it would have been your dauther or wife?

Avinash Lewis
UN, Vienna Austria
Guest mumbai 16 Nov 2013, 13:21
+3 -0
Where is Arun Jaitley. , Kapil Sibal , Abhishek Manu Singhvi, Meenakshi Lekhi and other great conscience keepers of the nation All these big lawyers are keeping shut because their bread and butter is involved and they don't want to offend the Other Judges of the Supreme Court. if a politician on either side of the political divide was involved we would have heard pearls of wisdom from their mouth and long lectures about sanctity of the law and upholding of the dignity of the women of India and other stupid nonsense . Why is Arnab Goswami quiet when practically everyday we hear his sermons on public values morality ethics and similar jargon. This trend will be detrimental to our society. The usual conscience mkeepers of the nation are observing a deliberate silence. Small mercy that they have yet not started praising the judges gang and condemning the intern three cheers for our judiciary. It will take more than Five decades to restore it's earlier glory if the government appoints men with character and humility and not sons nephews daughters and suchlike persons to the bench
Avinash Lewis 16 Nov 2013, 23:23
+1 -0
And other friend(ML Sharma) of "honorable" person is up against basic freedom of speech against LI and TOI

Now the Judiciary is paid from our taxes and We wonder have the offenders read in school "freedom of speech" "freedom of expression" if yes they should not be in that posts, should be relived immidately

"freedom of expression" is Human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that "[e]veryone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". Article 19 goes on to say that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".

Regards
Avinash Lewis
UN
Concerned Guest 14 Nov 2013, 13:53
+1 -5
I find the second intern's position reproduced below disturbing:

"In any case, violence is such an easy reaction. And how has that solved the world’s problems, pray? Of course, Mr. Justice lost his RA’s [research assistants], he also got a good talking to, a brushing down that his father should have given him, which he received from a 23 year old girl... And maybe, maybe that is a better route? Not necessarily violent, but not voiceless. Being lawyers, we understand not only the value of being litigious, but also when litigiousness is a handicap, when better results might be achieved without invoking law’s violence to one’s aid, when negotiations and personal confrontations might be better, and when informal means are more useful to achieve the ends we seek."

This is not the appropriate response to sexual assault or sexual harassment.
Concerned Guest 15 Nov 2013, 04:56
+3 -0
Let me clarify:

I certainly believe that "law's violence" i.e., a criminal investigation and prosecution should be used against a man who prima facie is found to be a serial molester/ sexual harasser and someone who has committed sexual assault.

Sexual offenders target perceived weak victims, so even if the second intern was strong enough to confront the judge, this does not protect all future potential victims, some of whom might not be able to withstand the pressure ...
Enigma 15 Nov 2013, 08:24
+4 -0
As a reply to ur post, I am reproducing a reply given by SJ for a comment in her blog.
"It took a lot of thinking for me to get to this point. I actually think I was making myself angry because it is the expected reaction. But when I wrote this piece I forced myself to be honest with myself. And I realized that it doesn’t matter what others say, whether they have experienced something similar or not. I wrote it because I realized that NO ONE has the right to take away my agency. I am the only one that can decide how to react to a situation of sexual harassment, and nobody (feminist or not, but especially feminists) has the right to tell me what to think or how to feel about the situation."
Avinash Lewis 16 Nov 2013, 21:22
+1 -0
@Enigma,

Well i should say you are Bang right!
We need people who can speak up, about Injustice thats what the Institution of Judiciary should be madeup of not otherwise

Regards
Avinash Lewis
United Nation, HQ Vienna, Austria
Aap ....... Hain 14 Nov 2013, 14:42
+6 -4
@ Kian... this is not good journalism... would u present it as a story if someone comments in a comment box that he/ she got harrassed by so and so ... pure non-sense this is! And I hope you understand the difference between what you are doing and gossiping, which is none.
anony and disagree 14 Nov 2013, 17:43
+3 -0
[quote name="Aap ....... Hain"]@ Kian... this is not good journalism... would u present it as a story if someone comments in a comment box that he/ she got harrassed by so and so ... pure non-sense this is! And I hope you understand the difference between what you are doing and gossiping, which is none.[/quote]

@ kian and the above post author.

I can totally related to the thought process that went behind not disclosing the identity of the second intern. What Kian and his team are doing is not gossiping. Therefore, I disagree, strongly to your criticism of Kian's journalism

Second, what Kian and team are doing is not gossiping, lets remember this is a SC judge we are talking about here. The fact is had girls like these not come out with their experiences, it would have continued. And "that" would have resulted in gossiping. Not what the girls or Kian is doing.

Third, lets accept this, we are not a society that respects women with the kind of respect west does. Please don't discourage girls from coming out in the open with the harassment they face. No person would sexually harass girl in public. He wants privacy and the lack of witness hurts girl at two levels, one they face harassment and two people question their version.

I have heard Kian speak at many occasions, from his accent it would appear that his education etc has been western. If he and his team can get a bit of respect for women as is there is west, in the legal fraternity, that itself would be the single biggest achievement for all of us.

Go Kian and legallyindia.
Aap ....... Hain 15 Nov 2013, 00:55
+0 -3
Well without disclosing either the source or the target, neither the whistle blower nor the wrong doer this is just 'letters to the penthouse' legally india edition. And please understand the difference between a feminist and a [...].

@ Kian the post gets deleted and you still run with this. Are you or your 'source'deposing before the commission any time soon?
kianganz 15 Nov 2013, 05:02
+9 -0
Judging by the language and insinuations used in your comment (now partially redacted), and by your apparent titillation by this story, you are exhibiting a ignorance about the realities of such cases.

The aim of this story was to put on the public record a second person's account that corroborates parts of the story of SJ, which is important in such cases that can easily devolve into he-said-she-said battles.

I have confirmed the identity of the Second Intern and that she has been an intern to the same former judge. Therefore, her account is relevant to the story and worth re-reporting, even if when making the comment, she wasn't apparently intending for it to be re-published in the wider media or if she has now deleted it after it has been reported.

The initial comment was made responding to a note that was accessible to anyone registered on Facebook, which means that the original publication, even if not consciously intended as such, was in effect a comment made in public.

And in such a case we should not question the veracity or intention of statements merely because someone might not be ready to come forward publicly and give media interviews: the identities of victims of sexual offences are protected by the courts for many very good reason.

And the difficulties in coming forward about such cases should be similarly evident from the very low rates of reporting, conviction or action.

Best regards,
Kian
Aap ...... Hain 19 Nov 2013, 10:14
+0 -1
@ Kian I am very well aware what language I used there, it is called english. And thanks for redacting a clinical term which of course small minds will take offence to.

Anyway I forgive you now that the debate has changed. ;)

I hope you'll learn.

Good luck.
Wtf? 14 Nov 2013, 17:59
+3 -0
Why is someone's Facebook comment posted as a news article on LI? I had expected LI to show a greater respect for someone's privacy.
Guest 14 Nov 2013, 19:21
+1 -1
[quote name="Wtf?"]Why is someone's Facebook comment posted as a news article on LI? I had expected LI to show a greater respect for someone's privacy.[/quote]


If someone's Facebook post is put on "Public" sharing instead of "Friends" or "Friends of Friends", one has all the rights to share it. And Public is not the default mode. So you voluntarily give up your privacy when you change the mode.
Guest 14 Nov 2013, 19:31
+2 -0
"Why deprive girls from the chance to work with an illustrious mind because the mind is a [b]little[/b] sick? A guy who gets the task would get a savvy CV and a better job opp. We didn't want girls to be left at a disadvantage." -

Really? Doesn't this reason or explanation, whatever you may choose to call it, undermine the seriousness of the issue? A man of such high repute and achievements should not be taken to task only because his illustrious position outweighs his misbehaviour! I am sorry I don't want to hurt yours or anyone's feelings but I found this strange.
kianganz 14 Nov 2013, 21:22
+1 -1
Update: The Second Intern’s post appeared on Facebook as a comment in an online discussion under a public note on SJ’s blog post, which was posted by NUJS Kolkata professor Shamnad Basheer on Monday.

The Second Intern’s comments have been deleted from the comment thread on Facebook since first publication of this article, in order to protect the Second Intern's identity and privacy.

Below is the Facebook note that the comments referred to, to clarify the context in which they were made:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/shamnad-basheer/retributive-reflection/10100644314061619

On using the Second Intern's Facebook comments in publication, we thought long and hard about whether publication in this case was in the public interest and decided that it was, if she wasn't named and her identity was protected.

In terms of Facebook, unless something is explicitly marked as private, Facebook treats it as public to the world under its terms, making such comments not much different from a public blog post. So despite what some people may (erroneously) think, I do not believe there can be any reasonable expectation of privacy for things posted publicly on Facebook.

If you disagree, I think that may be a case to take up with Facebook, which could educate its users better about the privacy settings and implications, or make these more accessible.

Best regards,
Kian
good job 15 Nov 2013, 00:44
+5 -0
It is very interesting that the leading papers are picking up this story from LI . This shows that LI can act as a force for good by covering important stories and getting them published in leading papers. Yet, in recent times LI has given focus to irrelevant stories like minor law firm deals. I would request LI to publish more bold stories and be an agent of change. Some suggestions:

1. Marginalisation of views of young lawyers and students of top law schools in liberalization debate

2. Corruption in law schools by VCs

3. Educational reforms

4. Low salaries paid by advocates
Guest 15 Nov 2013, 03:15
+5 -0
If Politicians & Godman are immediately named and exposed ; then why the name of ex SC judge has been with held
Praveen Bhat 15 Nov 2013, 03:33
+1 -1
Instead of posting it on blog or on social media, it should be bought to the notice of the honourable chief justice.

You have provided fodder to the hungry media which is waiting to malign the judiciary and legal fraternity.
Guest 15 Nov 2013, 03:55
+3 -0
This is a straight open and shut case for registering a Fir not only against the retired judge but also against three others who it is reported have molested other interns. The accused need not be named at this stage of the pistol fir investigation. The investigation can proceed against unnamed accused and the statements and circumstances will point out towards the accused. The hotel register and entries I Supreme Court register and the record which indicates the appointment of Stella James as an intern will corroborate the statements in public domain. Thank god we have not heard the usual defences from the chamchas of judges till now
kianganz 15 Nov 2013, 05:12
+5 -5
For those calling for a criminal case, consider that a criminal case here could actually be exactly what the alleged victim(s) are hoping to avoid (and SJ has gone on record in her blog that she is not looking for retribution against the former judge).

The burden of proof in a criminal case is 'beyond reasonable doubt', which is a very high threshold to be able to meet before a court. Even if there are, say two or three people or witnesses giving corroborating accounts, the cards are stacked against the accusers under aggressive cross-examination, character smears and other strategies the defending counsel would likely roll out for their client.

Look at the Asaram Bapu case, for instance - if I remember rightly, defending counsel Ram Jethmalani claimed that the alleged victim suffered from a chronic disease "which draws a woman to a man".
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/asaram-bapu-case-teen-has-disease-which-draws-a-woman-to-a-man-says-ram-jethmalani-419882

The sad fact is that in a criminal case, the cards are stacked against the accuser who will need more than just courage to get through what is guaranteed to be an ordeal. Everyone involved in this case, being lawyers, would be very much aware of that, I assume.
Concerned Guest 15 Nov 2013, 05:31
+3 -0
I disagree Kian.

This must be a test case. This kind of case is exactly what this country needs, to show that even the most powerful men will not be permitted to assault women.

Anything less than a criminal case will be a cover-up.

Am sure enough lawyers will stand with SJ and the other victims to help blunt the ordeal. These women are heroes and deserve a medal. WE need to tell them not to be afraid instead of sending the message that they should be ...
Oracle 15 Nov 2013, 09:39
+0 -2
It is the choice of the girls whether to prosecute because (a) they'll be called as witnesses and (b) if they are unsuccessful, they may be harassed with malicious prosecution charges (which, even if it is unsuccessful, will cause trauma and stress).

[b]@ Kian:[/b] I am very impressed with the way you are handling some stupid insensitive comments made by creatures who pass as mortals (and, presumably, lawyers at that!). I remain a fan (even when I bash LI on some occasions, I do it as a fan :D).
a lawyer 15 Nov 2013, 12:51
+1 -0
Any one making such allegations should not be doing it for publicity. It should not be a shoot and scoot attempt. If somebody has committed a sexual harassment - it is a criminal act and it has to be punished. There is no meaning in talking/complaining about sexual harassment unless one is ready to take it to its logical conclusion.
Guest 15 Nov 2013, 18:21
+0 -0
"The sad fact is that in a criminal case, the cards are stacked against the accuser who will need more than just courage to get through what is guaranteed to be an ordeal. Everyone involved in this case, being lawyers, would be very much aware of that, I assume."

Kian, while your sympathies with the victim are well appreciated, let us not start questioning age-old criminal law jurisprudence. "Innocent unless proven guilty" is the BEDROCK of not just the rule of law, it is the bedrock of democracy. Hence, whether you like it or not, the ex SC judge is as of now as innocent or as guilty as you are.
As far as strategies adopted by defence counsel are concerned, they would only be doing their job. Right to be defended by a counsel of one's choice is as much of a fundamental right as is the right not to be violated - physically or otherwise.
Guest mumbai 16 Nov 2013, 08:36
+0 -0
The offence in question is cognisable and non bail able inviting punishment for 10 years. It is an offence against society and if Stella James and the other interns are given and assured identity protection they will depose. They cannot have it halfway and create merely a storm. It is the responsibility of the Police' The Government , and the Honble Supreme Court of India to try and salvage some prestige which it has fully lost by the episode. Let us see what events unfold just as the second intern has come forward there will be many more. We have heard stories of Middleaged women lawyers throwing themselves at influential advocates just to ensure that the are elevated to the bench. With such a dispensation and silent corruption going on in the judiciary only God can save us because all those who matter and adorn high and esteemed posts are shockingly silent about this episode and are pretending that all is well!
Rajendra S. Desai alias. Raju 15 Nov 2013, 04:15
+3 -0
The molestation blog is an open and shut case against the judge and also there either judges. The BCCI. Internal enquiry was held to be illegal by the Courts. On that background the present enquiry by three SC judges will also be illegal. judges however highly placed should not be Judges in their own cause. An unbiased police investigation including custodial interrogation which is the fate of a common criminal should be carried out in the present case against all the four unknown judges so that justice is seen to be done and people adorning exalted posts who are in the habit of pontificating from their pulpits don't escape the clutches of the law. the reputation of the courts in our country is already tarnished. If we have to restore and inject a small amount of credibility it can be done only if steps like in the case of The Godman Asaram Bapu are urgently taken by the police
Guest mumbai 15 Nov 2013, 18:34
+2 -0
Judges are no ordinary mortals. We still call them Lordship and equate them with god so don't expect that anyone including this secret molester or the other three judges will be booked. All judges are the law and not subject to the laws of the land . Let us wait and watch whet here the Supreme Court committee crates history or merely brushes the story under the carpet
Avinash Lewis 16 Nov 2013, 21:15
+0 -1
Well said, I had seen Judges and diplomats following this case here in United nations HQ

Avinash Lewis
UM, Vienna
Guest mumbai 15 Nov 2013, 04:30
+8 -0
The Three Judge Panel enquiring into the molestation charges should summon Abhishek Manu Singhvi and record his views. Also several Karnataka High Court judges who had sex in a hotel with female district judges and who we're exonerated by an enquiry committe of a well known SC. Judge should also be consulted. It would be easier too exonerate the molesting judge.
Oracle 15 Nov 2013, 09:39
+0 -0
Good point and nicely played sarcasm.
surendra 15 Nov 2013, 09:12
+4 -0
all names should be made public. all dates should be made public. all places involved be made public. all process of such placements should be made public. involvement or non-involvement of nujs should be made public. vc should make himself public.there may be something more which may come into public during during the process of all this publication.
Guest 23 Nov 2013, 15:08
+0 -0
[quote name="surendra"]all names should be made public. all dates should be made public. all places involved be made public. all process of such placements should be made public. involvement or non-involvement of nujs should be made public. vc should make himself public.there may be something more which may come into public during during the process of all this publication.[/quote]

Make an arrangement of PRESS CONFERNCE , I will make all the papers in public on NUJS EX-VC and EX-EC AND EC-SC with letters to EX-Chancellor of NUJS who yried to protect the EX-VC and EX-EC of NUJS
Guest 15 Nov 2013, 11:25
+0 -0
Why the name of the judge not being published. Is it not a double standard? If such an allegation is made against an ordinary mortal his name and his entire family history would have been in the news papers and channels. Why are these victims not revealing the name if the guy was guilty?
A 17 Nov 2013, 04:55
+0 -0
[quote name="Guest"]Why the name of the judge not being published. Is it not a double standard? If such an allegation is made against an ordinary mortal his name and his entire family history would have been in the news papers and channels. Why are these victims not revealing the name if the guy was guilty?[/quote]


Go the website of Outlook. They have disclosed the identity.
Rajendra S Desai. Advocate. 17 Nov 2013, 16:17
+0 -0
God bless this country! With the likes of ML Sharma. It will be in fitness of things if all Supreme Court Judges are exempted from the Provisions of the IPC. Parliament should declare that they are no ordinary mortals and like Lord Krishna they can do what they want with interns in chambers or hotel rooms or even in public ! The writ filed by Sharma is utter nonsense . If the Honble Supreme Court entertains this writ only the Almighty can save us and save the already muddy reputation of the court. The eerie silence of the usual bigwigs who condemn politicians and trow mud at these involved in such offences is a very serious situation . This behaviour of the elite lawyers will put more interns and women who practice law into a perennial form of danger due to sexual harassment. I wonder what the Supreme Court. Bar association is doing . I can understand that their monetary future is in the hands of judges but in time to come female members of all lawyers will also be practicing in the Supreme Court. They have to be protected and an example has to be set so that no judge in future exhibits such shamelessness.
Rajendra S Desai. Advocate. 17 Nov 2013, 16:35
+0 -0
God bless this M L Sharma. I hope the Supreme Court throws out his petition. That is the only way they can salvage a minuscule bit of prestige which they have lost by this intern episode . Imagine a situation when a lawyer appears for some common man before the Honble High court or the Honble Sessions Court for bail . He can very well argue that the crime is not serious nobody is bothered. Even our apex court ignores such allegations so why should the lower courts bother about such charges. In any event the complainant is a lady of bad character. What a wonderful precedent we have. Molestation will get a stamp of approval and the pervert men of this country all over India will get a licence to fool around with women . Hail the Supreme Court .
Rajendra S Desai. Advocate. 24 Nov 2013, 02:21
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Tarun Tejpal is being hauled over the coals . The law provides a Committee of outsiders appointed by a District Magistrate. The poor fellow has also confessed to his guilt. Yet people and self appointed champions of women's rights and dignity are baying for his blood . The hypocracy is apparent. Stella James and the Second intern are messing with the wrong people. Tarun though high profile is an ordinary mortal and not anointed as a protector of the conscience and laws of the nation. The media is silent . The Supreme Court is mum. The government ministers are quiet. The press has gone into deep slumber. The women's rights activist and all those disturbed and exasperated commentators on tv channels have no time for this story. In England or any other country the judicial process would have culminated into a guilty verdict . Bill Clinton had to be pardoned after he was found guilty. In our great country the interns are pardoned for their follies. All people are equal but some people are more equal. Our democracy and constitution is still in its infancy. Maybe after hundred more years we will get things right and mete out justice but as of today we have to honour molestors who adorn Courts. I pray to god that in future nobody should be allowed to utter that stupid phrase Law will take its own course. A new phrase will be apt. Law will be channelised to our whims and desires.
kumar 4 Dec 2013, 07:13
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Police FIR is a must. SC has no role to play right now. CCTV footage may be seen. NUJS VC role may be viewed. Girl should not play hide and seek and make FIR with police. Role of other judges, other girls may be also examined.
Truthfinder 6 Dec 2013, 06:55
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Justice Ganguli as the custodian of Human Rights in West Bangal invited the wrath of the Chief Minister and the ruling party when a Jadavpur University professor was persecuted for circulating a harmless cartoon. In response to the fair judgement he gave in favor of freedom of expression in a democratic country, Ms. Mamata Banerjee commented that 'Justice can be bought and the judiciary is corrupt' and subsequently apologised for her comment. This also reminds me of Ms. Mamata Banerjee's comment of 'shajano ghotona' in response to the Park Street rape case where she wanted to deny the whole incident saying it was a conspiracy of the opposition. Whether the allegation made by Stella James is true or not, The ruling party in West Bangal and the BJP (which is seen as TMC's electoral ally in 2014 Lok Sabha elections) have an axe to grind in punishing Justice Ganguli for his fair judgement, which was embarassing to Ms. Banerjee on the Jadavpur University case. In the light of this background it is very surprising why Ms. Stella James came out with this allegation after almost a year of the alleged incident. I hope this is not a 'shajano ghotona' as Ms. Banerjee is so familiar with that idea!
Rajendra S Desai advocate 16 Jan 2014, 00:51
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What a brilliant move. A suit for damages and a suit for injunction at the Delhi High Court. We must appreciate the intelligence of the advisors of Justice Swatantra Kumar. Are they out to dig his grave and push him into hell. Only the news papers are sued and the intern is not being sued. What strategy. if our courts are going to entertain these proceedings even god cannot save our judiciary. I hope the Delhi High Court will do justice and protect the intern who has shown guts better late than never.
Rajendra S Desai advocate 16 Jan 2014, 05:13
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Supreme Court. judges always have a holier than thou approach. They believe in the British maxim. King can do no wrong. The poor intern whose harassment was caused is being treated like a rape victim asking her the usual question that a defender of a rapist asks during a trial. When did you lodge the complaint? Why did it take you so long to complain. My dear man the perpetrator was not some local Romeo who pinches bottoms of young girls he is a constitutional functionary who is sitting on the pulpit and issuing orders to deliver justice . He is venerated by lawyers as someone akin to God. While the local hero is arrested and jailed Justice Ganguly has obliged the world by resigning. The police have no guts to arrest him. The Supreme Court did a half hearted reluctant exercise. Found him guilty and abdicated its powers by announcing that they would not entertain any more complaints. The second episode of molestation will meet the same fate. The intern will be condemned and the legal luminaries will back the judge. All is well. The judiciary will be saved
donno 16 Jan 2014, 10:17
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When this issue cropped up first, I knew it was the second gentleman. Surprisingly, J Gan was named. We know, we all know the anxiety of a flame burning into darkness but the position these people held and the godly respect they get maybe is the very reason for such guts, to explore the possibility of some favour from a girl younger than your own practising daughter.....
Rajendra S Desai advocate 19 Jan 2014, 15:25
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A Supreme Court judge gets an injunction from High Court T Delhi The motives of the intern are questioned. There is a conspiracy hatched right since the judgement of A K gopalan to malign Judges! Says a retired high court judge of the Bombay High Court. All retired Government employees can face enquiries for their misconduct. The Supreme Court tells us it will not examine allegations against its retired brothers. How nice and soothing to the common mans ears. A well carved out escape route for their colleague! A first year law student of average intelligence will tell you that an Institution has powers to investigate allegations against past members. The Government has no powers. The police are helpless . The Conscience keepers of the nation like the Jaitleys and the Tiwaris And. Sibals And Swaraj's are studiously silent. The intern had kept quiet for so long. The concerned judge is honest and upright . A petition is filed . The Court wants amicus advisors. Every body misses the point there is no law of limitation for molestation crimes and actions. Now the only thing left is to collectively condemn the intern and punish her for defaming our judiciary. An example has to be set so that nobody in future has the guts to say such things even if they are true! What are we upto ! . Are we going to further tarnish the image of our judiciary. Can the image which is already tarnished be restored by all the above gimmickry. Or will the reputation be further sullied. I presume that there are still some wise and mature people left in our judiciary at higher levels. I pray that the Almighty and their experience and wisdom leads them to the correct path.