Have patience, my friend. The Supreme Court will uphold the Karnataka High Court ruling implying that Law School is a class apart and other law colleges are state law universities. You can be sure of it. After that, Claxit and INI status.

Why would Claxit be dependent on the SC decision? NLUD has not been declared by any court to be a class apart yet. It still remains outside CLAT. Why waste another year when the exit can happen right now, with ample notice in advance and ticking all the other procedural checklists which scuppered the attempt last time around?

Who cares if NLS has INI?

You can take it next year, with full safety and all vaccinations for all the diseases you might get by taking a 2 hour exam

When did it implement it to begin with? Did the 2020 intake include the quota even after the HC decision?

Nope, the domicile quota was never implemented. In fact, all that happened was increased intake to 120, which impacted NALSAR and NUJS negatively.

If they can increase the intake and still provide the same quality of education and infra and jobs, then I guess the NLUs losing their students to NLSIU because of the increased intake cannot really complain.

Old news, both. These have been mentioned in the comments section quite some time back.

Even I heard this. whats the point when the student does not want to come forward and why speak after such a long time.

Use some kind of analogy and spill the beans, maybe? Kian usually allows that. If he really doesn't want the news to be discussed, he probably would not have allowed these comments either. He's trying to protect the website from his side, which is understandable.

Or maybe bar and bench does this story and Kian copy pastes from them

Why would faizan and dhanda apologise about dancing.

Students involved are girls from fourth and fifth year.

Last night of carpe diem

We should have a meme, featuring Dhanda and Sarkar doing the cha-cha to the beats of Govinda Govinda. It would go viral in no time!

While I do not approve of any high-handed action without due process on the part of the administration, it is also true that the conduct of some students during the fests can be atrocious and borderline disgusting. Of course, any disciplinary action taken against such conduct would always lead to different narratives being started crying despotism. Students also need to appreciate that any such conduct would reflect on themselves for sure, but even more on the university. People would say "NALSAR student/NALSARites" did this, and rarely X or Y did this. Exercise of freedom is important, yet it needs to be done in a responsible manner. Students are all adult individuals who know well enough what their responsibilities are. One cannot simply clamour for rights without assuming the corresponding responsibilities too.
p.s. I strongly object to actions such as slut-shaming or the like as repercussions of such conduct. If students break rules, then a proper inquiry should be conducted and appropriate punishment prescribes under the rules ought to be imposed and that's where it should end, without fomenting further gossip.

Well students might not want to come forward because of the huge power difference between a VC and a first year. They may have been placated by assurances/ whatever the reason- this does deserve to be talked about because of who he makes himself out to be. And because of the “student friendly” reputation the admin has tried to project for itself.

Hold on. First year? But the original post said 2020 batch and that it had happened before lockdown. The first year students would have joined the university only after September, that too virtually probably. How did Sarkar get hold of one before the lockdown?

My mistake . I got mixed up. There were two inappropriate instances that night . One with a final year student and one with a fourth year. Afaik.

Kian you either remove this comment or do a story in it. Can't keep coming back to see this.

They have already apologised. Plus don't create a controversy because he has applied to be a judge in supreme court throught eminent jurist category.

From what I gather it was a rather weak apology- given at an open house when one of the students wasn’t even there ? And a ton of victim blaming where the students were blamed for not following Covid precautions while saying goodbye to each other and they were accused of being in a domestic violence situation because one of the girls had a hickey?

Apparently Sarkar then demanded that they be forgiven since they forgive student transgressions all the time. And then offered to go easy on everyone during an online semester and promised a welcome
Back party the next sem.

By that logic, no student has ever tendered a strong apology for any of their transgressions ever. If students did not follow COVID protocol while "saying goodbye", then they should be rightly blamed for that. They are not juvenile infants who cannot understand the gravity of a pandemic.

Also, before lockdown there was no covid protocol as such, legally speaking.

Legally speaking, neither student has been punished either. So what's the big deal then?

Quote:

neither student has been punished either

this was a tongue twister.

this is the comment that has opened the floodgates haha

Is this about X and Y 'hugging' while the VC was speaking to the student body about the Covid situation in March/during Carpe diem. The meeting between students and administration was to talk about the need to suspend University so that people could safely socially distance at home.

The VC moved out from the stage to physically pull X away from Y. Boohoo ensued. Apologies were made (for good knows what - assault?).

Not that VC was seeing X and Y hugging for the first time. If that is the case, love lane next to mess should be banned. if that is the case, then last day of the daru party when all the fifth year girls climb the boys hostel wall and enter boys hostel in the presence of the wardens should be banned and the wardens should be sacked.

If dhanda could press sexual harassment charge against a former VC for a refusal of a request then Faizan deserves something serious in this matter.

Cant believe people are justifying this.

So let me get this straight. If someone at the beginning of COVID becoming widely known did not exercise precaution that gives the VC license to put his hands on the students ? Corporal punishment is okay then? It’s not about whether an Indian judge would convict. It’s about the respect each member nalsar university owes to another.

Is spooning during a public emergency meeting with faculty and administration a mark of displaying that sense of respect owed by the members of the university to each other? Asking for a friend. Unidirectional flow of respect, eh? To the Woke from everybody else, but never vice versa.

Who was spooning? A hug is not spooning. And you know what - even if they were spooning- there are better ways to handle it than to physically separate the couple. Was sarkar following social distancing when he put his hands on them? And there was more than just separating the couple. Kian won’t let us say what it was - but it was very typical of Indian parents in eighties movies.

The day that any nalsar student feels comfortable doing to sarkar what he did to them - then you can talk about unidirectional respect.

The meeting took place in the Jhunjunwala and VC apologised approximately 10 times.

Quote:

Two students, presumably residing in different places outside the university don't really care and would rather indulge in last minute PDA before going without it for next few months.

True, i agree with your point and in such a situation a 6 feet 3 inches, 59 year old man has been bestowed with a divine right to get physical.

Back in the day when some nalsar girls were in the city, this happened . www.firstpost.com/india/media-harassment-of-nalsar-students-how-can-it-be-prevented-703758.html

Today something not as terrible but in similar lines has happened inside the campus itself and you are trying to normalise it?

This is ridiculous. As soon as the VC decided to shut down the university- he had fulfilled his obligations. He has no authority at all to put his hands on a student. Zero. If he wants to punish someone there are other disciplinary actions he could have taken with due process. How can lawyers turn such a blind eye to process?

This is not about being “woke” . It’s about respecting personal Liberty and discouraging corporal punishment and honestly- hooliganism.

It’s clear the VCs friends will come out in full force to squelch any public dissent and - from the number of comments that have been “moderated” on this page- kian is very happy to play his part as well .

How many other accusations have been allowed to be made against other VCs? Why does faizan get special treatment? Free speech for me and not for thee eh?

The VC had the grace to apologise and was still so clumsy at the apology?

What should the students apologise for? I don’t know where this narrative of spooning came up but that is not what was going on. This was not a meeting in a classroom - this was literally the dance floor of carpe diem where close physical contact is appropriate.

And given his maturity and experience sarkar could have done better than physically separate and impose corporal punishment. If all he had done was separate them - he would not have apologised the next day and you know it . What’s more - was sarkar following social distancing when he was putting his hands on students?

Or was he immune already because that’s how it works in the magical thinking of his followers?

Thank you, #11. Needed to be said. The wokies are the real fascists.

You dont touch someone without their permission. The first thing that you need to learn. Pulling and pushing is the worst. If it were not for the person who commented in the first place, this matter was gone forever. This website is much more open space than these so called law schools.

Pulling and pushing is the worst. Said no person who has got any sense of proportionality and is living in the real world ever.

reminds me of tom cruise rant

Dude you spam some other thread. This is already taken over by nalsar people.

The only reason the recruitment got stalled is because Law Minister wants to get in some TMC Partywallahs masquerading as faculty and Rather Particular wants more people like him to lord over. Instead of alumni and others with good qualification who have applied long back in August, but who won't tow the party line and who laugh at Rather Particular in his face for his antics. Those people would mostly go to other places like NLSIU and Jindal because of this deliberate delay and stonewalling done by these nefarious elements in the EC.

I blame the SJA more than Rather Particular. If you act like a doormat, don't blame people who walk over you.

The SJA is useless now. Those glory days of vigilance and activism are long gone.

But the alumni faculty is hand in gloves with rather particular. All of them are close to him and support him

I thought the ad said 6 new people?

Right, because heckling is just what students should do. Your lack of education is showing.

Here is the link for the faculty positions which have been recently advertised by NLSIU. The deadline for submitting the applications is January 24, 2020. There are 2 positions at the level of Professor (Law), 1 position at the level of Associate Professor (Law), 6 positions for Assistant Professor (Law) [4 permanent positions and 2 contractual positions] and 1 position for Assistant Professor (History). They have also advertised administrative positions for the Registrar and Finance Officer.
www.nls.ac.in/news-events/call-for-applications-faculty-staff-recruitment/

There is no automatic preference for alumni. For the higher positions (Professor & Associate Professor) candidates with strong records in teaching and research will be considered. The competition for the Assistant Professor positions is likely to be intense and it is obvious that candidates with credible scholarly publications and effective speaking skills have a better chance. Those without UGC-NET can apply for the 2 contractual positions.

Sorry, there was a typo in my comment. The deadline for submitting applications is January 24, 2021.

This is a good move. I hope the recruitment is taking place keeping in mind a balance between subject expertise and actual demand. That's something that most Indian law universities fail to do. If you need someone good in Banking Law to teach related papers, then hiring someone good in Constitutional Law isn't going to solve that, no matter how good a teacher the person is.

@17.1: Thank you for sharing. The UGC NET waiver is an important development.

That's not anything new. Several NLUs give contractual positions to such people including NALSAR. They can't give tenure anymore, otherwise there would be litigation. Later when these people clear NET or do their PhD, they can be given tenure.

Not getting into any comparison, but I know for a fact that since 2019, NALSAR has hired at least 2 good, young NLU alumni who have been doing quite well since then. I know both the people quite well, and they are both bright, sincere academics. Why does it have to be a game of one upmanship anyway? Not all the alumni whom Sudhir have hired have an existing stellar academic reputation either, but he has chosen to rely upon them and their potential, like MP Singh did for him. Hopefully those people would live up to that faith in course of time. Ultimately students and the institution would benefit from this and that's what counts. Given the state of Indian legal education, we can't ever have too many of good, young law grads coming back to academia.

Before dissing Faizan's YouTube videos, you might well consider that he might have helped to legally educate more people through that medium than Sudhir can as a career academic and the NLSIU VC. By all means let's not compare the two, but criticizing without logic isn't what is merited either. At the very least, as a seasoned administrator, Faizan would not be making as many glaring mistakes as Sudhir has done recently owing to his inexperience, including the NLAT fiasco. Of course, the latter has got time and several other advantages on his side and would hopefully learn from his mistakes and take NLSIU to new heights in the days to come.

I’m so damn tired of people putting SK down because of his ( relative) youth. Age isn’t necessarily a virtue. Going by the discussion on this page fm is still making mistakes he should’ve grown out of.

I don’t have a problem with YouTube videos. But I don’t confuse them for actual scholarship.

Nah that’s not the point of scholarship. When Einstein wrote his thesis only four people in the world could understand it. But folks generally agree that he did more to advance the physics than say the mythbusters guys- even though a lot more people understand mythbusters.

The point of scholarship is to advance thinking on a particular issue. Have new original ideas/ arguments- that’s what peer review and university editors look for.

There is a place for being a TV pundit- but it’s not in the same universe as being an actual well regarded well published scholar.

Wow, talk about false arguments. Einstein published things that people couldn't understand. Therefore, everybody who publishes things that people rarely read/understand must be Einstein. Or even better, 3 EPW articles doth an Einstein make.

That’s what you got? From that whole education I just gave you? Reading really is a rare skill in Shamirpet. Perhaps I should make a YouTube video :).

The point is that scholarship should advance think and produce new and original research. Which like it or not Sudhir has done. I won’t go into the list of his authored articles and policy briefs . You should be able to find it on his website. It’s more than three epw articles. He may not be Einstein- but he is a renowned academic for a reason.

Just leaving here this piece of info that I came across during my search out of curiosity. Faizan apparently does maintain a Google Scholar profile, and from the list given there, he seems to have had at least 5-6 publications in reputed international journals, besides scores of Indian publications (including EPW). I am not favouring him over Sudhir as a scholar, just mentioning this because I was not aware of this myself and I doubt most people making snarky comments here about him based on his YouTube videos were aware of it either.

Please give the citations.

Please quit being lazy and spoon fed and do the google search yourself. The guy said that he got it from Faizan's Google Scholar profile. That's available in the public domain.

I looked up his google scholar profile. I didn’t see anything impressive . Publishing isn’t just about huge numbers of articles in random journals. It’s about quality publications in well regarded journals. The only one that I can see recently is the BYU piece with JSS. And I do know that the junior had much more to do with that piece.

Sudhir does not have publications in random journals. And has a better H index score.

It's not about impressing you. I could see a few, the BYU paper that you mentioned, one in Manag Econ. Res. Journal, one in Journal of International Law and Islamic Law, one in European F&F LR, one in Flinders Law Journal, and one in Islamic and Comparative Law Review. These are all peer-reviewed journals of repute that people who do related research are aware of. I am not comparing him with Sudhir (who frankly doesn't have a public domain record of many publications at least, though his book is definitely a good one that I read). Just saying that a person who has had these publications deserves some respect as a legal researcher and author. I don't know whether he writes these or his students do, and would rather rely on publicly verifiable knowledge than anonymous allegations.

It’s not just about impressing you either right? There are objective measures to figure this out. Sudhir has a much better H index score and a better i -10, he effectively has three times as many citations. And more than the one book. Now what iI’m saying is that even SK would not be called a very well published scholar. Maybe for the Indian scene- but not internationally. Faizan is not close to where he should be to earn those praises.

I mean when you really compare the metrics Amita dhanda beats out both Sudhir and faizan by a mile. But she has several years over Sudhir and he has time to catch up some. Even Gautam Bhatia beats out faizan and he’s very young. Folks claiming fm is some great scholar because he has a few random publications are just not aware of what is considered standard in the field.

Lol. FM is only ahead if you are counting attrition. The number of people who have run away from nalsar the last few years and the number of faculty still there who are planning to leave as soon as they get scale is silly.

Nalsar really does have good PR though.

Sahana Ramesh too, ex-NUJS.

De-fault clearly lies with you. How can we block you?

And yet none of those comments are being taken down, despite all your reports. That should have been enough to give you a hint. Clearly, you are way past redemption.

Here is the authentic information about the recent faculty hires at NALSAR. I am posting this here after corroboration with current faculty members. The profiles on the website will be updated when the new semester starts in January 2021. Based on the interviews for permanent positions conducted in November 2020, the following appointments have been made:
- 2 Professor (Law) positions have been offered to Dr. Pushp Kumar (Delhi University) and Dr. Yogesh Pratap Singh (NLU Odisha). Dr. Pushp Kumar will be joining in January 2021 while Dr. Yogesh Pratap Singh is currently serving as the Registrar and Interim VC at NLU Odisha, so he is expected to join around June/July 2021 after he hands over charge to the new Vice-Chancellor and Registrar appointees in Cuttack. So both are lateral hires.
- Dr. Neha Pathakji who has been teaching since 2009 has been promoted to Associate Professor (Law). Dr. Pinaki N. Pattnaik and Dr. Y.V. Ramana Murthy have been given permanent positions as Associate Professors for Management after having taught in ad-hoc positions for 6-7 years. They are largely responsible for the M.B.A. programme and rarely teach the B.A.,LL.B. students. From external candidates, Dr. Anirban Chakrabarty has been offered a position at the level of Associate Professor.
- The Assistant Professor appointments have also been in the Management Stream, with the existing ad-hoc teachers (Rahul Gandhi, Praveen Munukuntla, Swati Mathur, Ashis Panda) being regularised. So these are effectively internal appointments.

Interviews are yet to be held for the Assistant Professor (Law) positions that were advertised earlier. If and when FM holds the interviews for these positions, the existing ad-hocs who are in line include Varun Malik (Contracts and Civil Remedies), Vivek Mukherjee (Environmental Law and International Law), Alok Verma (Tax Law and Insolvency Law), Utkarsh Leo (Law and Economics), Chinmaya Deshmukh (Legal Philosophy, Administrative Law), Sahana Ramesh (Investment Arbitration, Company Law) and Prakhar Ganguly (Labour Law). This year, two new ad-hocs have joined, namely Prerna Bijoy and Niharika Salar. So it is difficult to see any external candidates being appointed to permanent positions in the coming year. The best case scenario might be some of these ad-hocs transitioning to permanent positions. The two ad-hoc teachers for English have already put in 4-5 years, so they are likely to be regularised very soon.

The one exceptional person who has joined NALSAR for the Social Sciences this year is Dr. Manisha Sethi (Sociology) who has come on deputation as an Associate Professor (contractual) from Jamia Millia Islamia (JMI). She is already a noted scholar on criminal justice administration and prison reform. Her seminars have been a real value addition for my peers who are interested in Criminal Law. However, she may only stay on till the end of FM's term in March/April 2022.

The deputation bit sounds interesting. Is it part of a faculty exchange programme?

It is not an exchange programme. Faculty members at Universities can go on lien or deputation to other institutions for fixed periods. It is usually done for research-oriented work or administrative positions. During this period, they do not receive the salary from the home institution but the experience of working in another institution is added to their record. According to the UGC Regulations, a permanent faculty member can usually avail of a lien/deputation period for a maximum of 5 years during their service. I think Dr. Manisha Sethi is testing the waters at NALSAR and might take a call on applying for a permanent position after 1-2 years of contractual service. Her spouse has recently moved from JNU to HCU, so there is a good chance that she might settle down in Hyderabad for a longer period. Other NLUs should also try this model to attract competent academics from the larger Universities.

Even though I mentioned the recent appointments at NALSAR in my earlier comment, we have had a problem with faculty attrition. Since our batch joined in 2016, we have seen some good young teachers joining in ad-hoc positions and leaving within short periods. Among those whom I can recall are Dr. Ashima Sood (Economics), Prashant Reddy (Intellectual Property), Adithya Chintapanti (Regulation), Anindita Jaiswal (Corporate Governance), Prerna Dhoop (Legal Theory) and most recently Aakaansha Kumar. Some of them have left for better opportunities at other places and I guess a few had other difficulties at NALSAR.

I hope FM will have the good sense to absorb some of the current ad-hocs who are doing a good job with their courses, especially Chinmay Deshmukh and Sahana Ramesh. The discussion among my classmates is that many of these younger teachers might end up leaving as soon as they get permanent positions at places like NUJS or NLSIU. Even among those who were regularised a few years ago, Jagteshwar Singh Sohi is leaving NALSAR to pursue a full-time Ph.D. in Canada while everyone knows that Prof. Amita Dhanda will no longer teach undergraduate students and will stay on as a Professor Emeritus to complete her research project. The real fear is that even an established teacher like Sidharth Chauhan might pack up after completing his Ph.D. and go back to NLSIU. Outsiders cannot even begin to understand how instrumental he has been in organising many lectures and conferences, supporting several student initiatives and ensuring that many NALSARites get admissions to foreign universities. So FM has his hands full in terms of attracting and retaining competent teachers.

Waves of alumni hire is not considered in any part of the world as a blanket good for any academic institution. You would have known that had you spent more time on your education.

Now if only he ends up reading the university regulations, and not scamming students out of cnovo fees and aspirants out of fees for cancelled exams, we can all live happily ever after.

So for a scam - do you have any proof at all that a single penny went into his pocket?

Undeserved money did go into NLSIU's coffer. That's sufficient for it to be called a scam. Any personal benefit that has been accrued to individuals isn't relevant.

Because if you see the hiring practices of reputed global institutions, you would learn about the undesirability of inbreeding at the cost of diversity.

Yes! LI should report faculty hires and stuff like they report lateral hires and promotions at law firms. Turn it into another horse race that ultimately makes us all worse people.

And who keeps forgetting his own university's regulations. And who keeps getting rebuked by the court. And who keeps taking money from people at false pretext. And who keeps showing the sensitivity range of a teaspoon.

Aparna replies to emails within seconds most of the time.

While I don't want to get into specific rankings, I think we also need to count Sophy (while people might not love her labour course) who takes a very good introductory History (HLCD) course, Amita Punj is a decent Juris teacher ( I know she is perhaps not in the top few faculty across the country, but she gives a good basic footing for students), and Surya Prakash Mishra (while his courses are light, he is an extremely helpful man who knows his stuff and can hold his own in discussions when students go talk to him outside of class). Where I do wish NLUD did better was in terms of getting some teachers to actually teach (while Danny is pretty good for Juris project consultations, I am sure the student community would benefit a lot if he actually taught something, apart from offering seminar courses once every 2 years, which unfortunately no one picked this year). In terms of research work, and the subsequent academic benefits for students, of course, CCG, p39A, CIIPC, are vv important. Punj and Danny also have some very good research work afaik, but I don't think they involve as many undergrad students as they could. While this might not be a well accepted opinion, I think Harpreet Kaur also involves students in valuable projects and is a good asset to the college and to the culture in general.
NLUD could perhaps do something to ensure that students pick up valuable courses with good faculty and great syllabus, rather than taking Seminar courses where O's are distributed. It is sad to see so many smart academically exceptional students talking bakwas seminars because they don't want to drop O's or work too hard in the last 2 years. NLUD should also have better seminar courses, particularly when one of the major concerns that instructors (or even alumni) seem to have is that seminar instructors should be treated with more respect. While the seminar coordinator is a very competent (and pretty nice) prof, I hope the admin focusses on this part. Apart from academically challenging seminars, this would foster better relations between the academia and the industry. For example, it was sad to see Samir Gandhi's course get dropped because college admin took just too long to let him start his class. Of Course, it goes without saying that it was extremely wrong on NLUD's part to drop Jawahar Raja's course which got subscribed super quickly.
Hope the admin under the new VC continues to ride on what Ranbir Singh has built (and make necessary changes, such as hiring more competent permanent faculty). While some TLC teachers are fantastic, we need to stop hiring random people who cannot handle classes, even if they are nice people.

Yes, NLUD needs more NLU alum faculty for sure. TLC nepotism should stop.

NUJS has other good faculty too besides Saurabh Bhattacharjee & SKG. There are people like Faisal Fasih, Shameek Sen, SK Chakraborty, Agnidipto Tarafder etc. who are brilliant teachers. Some of the recently hired guest faculty are also very good. Additionally, there are teachers from even pre-MP Singh era (Dr. Chimni's era) like Dr. Kavita Singh, Dr. Vaneeta Patnaik etc, who are very experienced and are decent teachers.

@29.3: Pro-admin propagandist.

You may lose faith and leave. Won't be a loss at all for the rest of us. Since you are so hell-bent on certifying everything that's government stamped, go and listen to Doordarshan instead of reading LI comments.

Highly accurate analysis of the JGLS model, this. Without the usual blind hatred that comes along with it.

Exodus? 7-8 people moving from various places to one, that too most of them relatively junior academics? Putting it on a bit thick, aren't you?

Very true. If any NLU VC claims that he/she is hiring TLC graduates because of poaching of NLU alumni by JGLS, then he/she is a liar. There are enough graduates who will prefer to teach in NLUs because of the need to be situated in certain cities because of family reasons.

Which NLU VC has ever made such a claim in their lifetime?

Quite a few, but not openly. One when confronted at meetings with the student body.

You should learn to read more carefully before you start commenting. First of all, I have clearly mentioned about JGLS providing other resources apart from salary and facilitating research. Secondly, your knowledge of UGC salary and JGLS salary is shockingly deficient. For instance, no assistant professor at entry level gets anywhere even near 1 lakh monthly salary. It is around 65000 and would go up to 1 lakh after working for at least 5 years (negligible annual increment of less than 5k). Secondly, JGLS starts freshers with a salary of 1.3 lakh per month for lecturers and senior RA positions. Apart from that, there are multiple perks available like free quarters, health plans etc. Overall, the difference is definitely effective as twice. Full assistant professors at JGLS get almost 1.8 lakh as salary including perks plus research funding. I actually happen to agree with most of the deficiencies that you mentioned about NLUs. Never said those are good places to work at. However, they do get a much better set of students compared to JGLS (at least the top 7-8 NLUs do) and that makes a lot of difference to many teachers who choose NLUs over JGLS. Those who don't, end up going to JGLS. Neither is wrong, just having different priorities in life. But for the reasons already mentioned, JGLS cannot attract sufficient good faculty to make up at least majority of its roster, plus have a manageable batch size of quality students at the same time. That can only happen with state funding or large scale philanthropy.

Actually, if someone only hires faculty from his own NLU, that too may be equally considered as corruption according to your logic only. The factors that should be considered should include CV, publications, research and work experience, teaching ability obtained through demo classes, indication of how long a person might want to be associated with the institution for etc. Using all of those, if someone from an NLU bags the job, then that's that. If someone from a non-NLU background gets the job satisfying all those criteria, then that's equally good.

Even what you said comes to approximately 85000. By the way, not all NLUs pay 12% provident fund, since they are not part of EPF, but CPF. Some pay 10%. The increments that you speak of are 3% of basic, which is around 1500 annually. I have assisted a batchmate of mine with her IT filing. She has been teaching at an NLU for the past 7 years. She currently gets a salary of around 1.1 lakh per month. Further, the Jindal salary of 1.3 lakh is without the perks. There are plenty other perks there, such as health plan, free quarters, annual research grant etc. If you add all those, the effective cost to the university would cross 1.6 lakh easily. Their annual increments are also much higher, though I cannot confirm exactly how much. They also have differential salary for different people holding same positions.
@Kian: To ensure clarity, you can just ask any academic whom you know to be working in a permanent job at an NLU. I am sure you know several of them. That would be authentic. I am not asking anyone to take my words as gospel truth given the anonymity.

@35: Kindly upgrade your mathematical skill.
Basic= 57700
17%DA = 9809
24% HRA = 13848
TA= 7200 (for Tier One City)
17% DA on TA = 1224
12% EPF = 6924
2 non-compoundable increments for LLM = 6% of Basic = 3462
Not counting PhD for entry-level assistant professors
The total gross salary comes to 96705.
The net salary after deducting income tax and PF contribution and professional tax should be approximately 80000.
Where are you getting the 1.5 lakh from?
The minuscule annual increment would be around 1731. Once the person has completed PhD that would take around 3-5 years, they would be entitled to 3 non-compoundable increments = 5193.
The person is entitled to a promotion after 5 years (this would result into an annual increment of basic of 1731, though this is compoundable unlike the LLM/PhD increments, so including DA and EPF increment, the effective increment under present DA level would be 2232), a second promotion after another 5 years (again an annual increment of around 2232), a third promotion after another 3 years to Associate Professor and another 3 years to Professor. 16 years in all. A full professor gets around 170000 gross salary.

JGLS salary mentioned as 1.3 lakh is for a fresher with no work experience, no UGC NET, no PhD. It also does not include HRA (faculty quarters separately provided), mediclaim facilities, annual research grant, monetary incentives of 1 lakh plus for every SCOPUS/WOS publication that you make, plus additional internal funds assigned to every research centre that you are a part of (separate external source of funding can be applied for). The annual increment is negotiable, but is often at least 10000 (based on experiences of 3 separate individuals). Once you get absorbed as a tenured Assistant Professor, the total CTC for the university for you would almost reach 200000. Associate Professors get approximately 3 lakhs (CTC, not including additional research grants) and full Professors between 4 and 4.5 lakhs (CTC, not including additional research grants). There is also salary difference between Indian and foreign professors from what I have been told.

There is no comparison between the two insofar as monetary compensation is concerned. I am not saying that the work environment, city factor, student quality are not factors involved, they very much are.

Sorry, one mistake that I made above is including the employer's EPF contribution in the at hand salary. Deducting that, an Assistant Professor's entry level at hand salary as per UGC would be around 73000.

We actually asked him about this earlier this year. He has not finished his Ph.D. and does not have enough peer-reviewed publications to apply for the Associate Professor rank. He has been teaching for 9 years now, so it does not make sense for him to apply for an Assistant Professor position at other institutions. I guess once he meets the publication requirements, he might start looking at other alternatives. Apparently, he has given FM his word about staying on at NALSAR till the end of the latter's term as VC in March/April 2022. I am sure Sid.C is reading these comments, so I would urge him to continue at NALSAR.

This is what happens when good teachers who are also good human beings get exploited by NLUs. Sid Chau is not the first. I have seen a couple of other people like that, both coincidentally NLU alumni. They give everything to the NLUs that they work for, spend all their time mentoring and helping students, doing tons of admin work for which the NLUs won't hire competent staff, and basically form the backbone of the NLUs, but at the cost of their own careers and research. If after 9 years of teaching, an obviously capable academic has not got the time to finish his PhD or has got even the few good publications that are necessary for an Associate Professor position (UGC mandates 5 only, to be competitive let us say 15, which means less than 2 a year), then it clearly shows how he has been and is being exploited. And then people wonder why faculty go away to Jindal and elsewhere. However, in this case, Sid Chau cannot become Associate Professor any more at public universities without finishing his PhD first as per the latest UGC Guidelines. So if he really wants to get back to NLSIU anytime soon, he might have to do it as an Assistant Professor only (unless of course his PhD is near completion). 9 years of work experience isn't really an issue provided you get seniority and pay protection, since if one takes the UGC promotion route, then one has to work for 13 years before getting promoted to Associate Professor (16 years for Professor).

So true. Meanwhile, various TLC jokers get ahead through politics and bootlicking.

Politics and bootlicking are not activities limited to only TLC people. Plenty of NLU alumni faculty do that too. Including some at Jindal.

I do not think that Sid.C has been 'exploited' at NALSAR. It is true that he usually teaches more subjects than most other faculty members. So do a few others such as Hota Agni Kumar (our History Prof), Ashwini Kumar Pendyala (Property, Civil Procedure, Insurance Law, Ancient Greek Jurisprudence) and until recently Prof. Thirumalai Kannan (our Sociology Prof) and obviously Prof. Amita Dhanda herself who usually teaches 3 subjects in every term. All of these people enjoy teaching and are concerned about the long-term well-being of their students. There are some others such as Sudhanshu Kumar (Company Law, Competition Law, Capital Markets), Neha Pathakji (Taxation Law, Law of Torts), Sourabh Bharti (Intellectual Property, Administrative Law) and Rajesh Kapoor (Contracts, Arbitration) who may not be teaching as many subjects, but are very receptive to students during the after-class hours. Their collective efforts have helped NALSAR to improve even though there are several other teachers (who I shall not name here) who have no interest in teaching and habitually cancel classes without giving any reasons.

Sid.C was in fact given research leave for the January-May 2020 semester (before the pandemic) and the teaching for the July-October 2020 term has been completely online. So hopefully this will help him to complete his Ph.D. soon. Once he does that, I hope FM gives him the much-deserved promotion, which will be another strong reason to continue with NALSAR. As per the latest UGC Regulations on Faculty Appointments (2018), direct appointments to the Associate Professor position can be made for those who hold a Ph.D., have taught full-time for 8 years and have at least 7 peer-reviewed publications.

I actually think he has had a rather rough go of it. That PhD is taking its time. And he spent so much time helping with institution building stuff and with this taxing teaching load. Given ideal circumstances he should have finished the PhD a few years ago. He was also very underpaid for a long time when he joined. One could argue that he does a lot more to build the institution ( including mentoring students who want to organise events on campus, advising them on conferences and journals and basically everything else) than many of the more senior faculty who get money for running scams.

He’s definitely worth a lot more than he’s getting right now. Both money and academic support and freedom. Nalsar should have cultivated him and seen him through his PhD at least a lot sooner.

Hopefully he gets the support he has earned several times over, and nalsar retains him even after faizan. But I do think if I were him I would have sought greener pastures long ago.

I am slightly curious about something. If Sid Chau is willing to go back to NLSIU only if he gets a higher position, then should one assume that in their current positions, NLSIU and NALSAR don't really have much of a difference between them as workplaces? Because that is why one would not leave for one place to go to the other at equivalent position. I would have thought that with Sudhir taking over and trying to create a corps of NLSIU alumni faculty, other NLSIU alumni teaching elsewhere would be glad to come back, unless of course they have to stay in a certain city.

This is really grasping at straws. We don’t know why Sid Chauhan won’t go to nls. Maybe he plans to once he finishes his PhD and can get an associate level position. But his opinion should not be the only one that matters anyway. The number of folks who have joined nalsar and left since faizan started is stunning. I’m yet to hear of anyone sudhir has appointed wanting to leave.

NLS Student Body on Sid.C (2013): 'You are the hero that Nagarbhavi needs, but does not deserve'.
NLS Student Body on Sid.C (2020): 'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself turn into a villain'.

My own hunch is the Sid Chau wants to leave for NLSIU, but may have family compulsions that prevent a shift right now. Let's wait and see.

Nothing to do with family compulsions. Sidharth Chauhan is staying on at NALSAR because of his loyalty towards FM and Dhanda. He is grateful to both of them for having given him a job after RVR's vindictive actions in early 2013. The comments made by 'NALSAR 5th year student' are accurate. He will stay on till the end of FM's term and wait to see who is the next Vice-Chancellor at NALSAR. If it is a decent and honest academic, he will probably continue and so will many other younger teachers. Otherwise, he has several options such as applying to NLSIU (Sudhir will readily take him), Azim Premji University (Sitharamam Kakarala Sir is heading their School of Policy and Governance, Arun Thiruvengadam is also there) or even newer institutions such as TNNLS (he was Lizzy Ma'am's TA) or BML Munjal University (N.S. Nigam is the Dean of their law school). Who knows, if RGNUL Patiala gets a decent Vice-Chancellor, he might even go there since that is the closest NLU to his hometown which is Panchkula, Haryana.

It is also true that he does not quite know his own value to the institution that he serves. I hope that FM and Dhanda are reading these comments. The question of whether Sid.C will stay on at NALSAR is also linked to the institution's prospects over the next decade. More than giving him fair service conditions, the more important question is whether they can ensure a good person joins as the next Vice-Chancellor. That will make or break the institution in the coming few years.

Man sometimes anonymous folks on LI know more about sidharth chauhan than sidharth chauhan.

Seriously, I do not recall any other serving law teacher's prospective career moves being scrutinised so closely during the 10 odd years that LI has been around. When we had just graduated in the mid-1990s, there was considerable speculation in academic circles about Prof. Upendra Baxi leaving Delhi University after he had been denied a second term as VC. He eventually chose to leave for Warwick and returned more than a decade later. However, that attention and speculation was meant for a person who had already been teaching for more than 25 years, had authored several books and was already a globally known scholar in jurisprudence and constitutional law.

In comparison, Sid.C has been teaching for less than 10 years, has not even completed his own Ph.D. and yet there seems to be a nation-wide interest in his possible career moves. More than generational change, I guess it is just the nature of internet forums that allows all of us to anonymously speculate like this. Or maybe there is some basis to all this attention being piled on him? Can the movement of one individual really turn the tide at some of our best known national law schools? It is a really scary thought that we are giving so much attention to an individual's abilities (and deficiencies) instead of thinking about institutional processes.

His current and former students seem to expect the moon from him. I hope that all of this attention does not get to his head. He should just concentrate on producing serious academic writing for the next decade or so. From the few interactions that I've had with him, he is clearly very capable of producing doctrinal legal scholarship of the highest standard. He needs to stop worrying about the continuing saga of administrative incompetence at the various NLUs and concentrate on his own career-growth for a change.

In all seriousness I think it’s because he’s probably one of the most honest and generous academics out there.
He did expose all the misdeeds of the last nls VC and his subsequent firing earned him almost martyr status. And he has been teaching constantly for quite a while. He has helped many students make their careers and he is very generous with time and mentorship.

You’re probably right. His generosity and commitment to building public institutions has probably come at a personal cost of climbing the career ladder. But I think he’s quite capable of correcting that going forward. I do feel bad for him though- can’t be nice to have randoms talk about you all the time . Most of what I see is affectionate chatter but sometimes folks get mean. But I think he’s grounded enough to not lose his head about it.

Perhaps until then LI should focus on someone else and let the man be?

First of all, I didn't mention the 65k thing, that was someone else. I simply pointed out your own erroneous calculation.

Secondly, why don't you stop making claims that you've got no idea about? The LLM increments like the PhD ones are non-compoundable ones. If you don't know what that means, ask someone with accounting knowledge. They won't get considered for DA and other allowance calculations, genius! Again, you keep mentioning EPF, but if you had any knowledge of the way the NLUs implement provident fund, you would know that most give Contributory Provident Fund, not EPF (because those are not considered government universities/colleges). Hence they can make rules of their own. One of those being that the 12% would be calculated on basic only. Not basic plus DA. NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS at least follow this rule. I cannot speak for others.

The calculation that I provided is the exact thing that an assistant professor at an NLU gets. What you believe they get is a different thing altogether and really not worth discussing. It is clear that you have got no knowledge of NLUs or at least of the faculty and admin rules there, but are simply copy pasting UGC salary structure from the Internet. I do not know which NLUs you have seen giving monetary incentives to faculty members for publications. The 3 that I mentioned do not. It is difficult for a public university to award such incentives without attracting litigation, though not impossible.

Your last bit about Baxi et al is so ridiculous that it finally reveals you as a troll who actually has got no knowledge of real life. Of the three, only MP Singh was formally associated with an NLU after 2009. That too he was a VC there, and later a professor emeritus at NLUD till 2019. Chimni hasn't been with an NLU since 2006. All three are long past the age to remain in public universities in full positions. Private universities have that flexibility to offer them more pay and research responsibilities. In either case, that is besides the point. I know all three of them and at this stage in their careers at least, none is motivated by money. That doesn't mean others aren't.

EPF is mandatory @12% of basic plus DA. If one is not paying that's a different thing. Like minimum wages prescribed by the govt if not not paid to a labour is a different case than what is mandated.
If u don't know that that's ur prob.
Baxi MPs and BB pande were associated for many years as adjunct or emeritus professors at NLU Delhi. MPs even stayed on campus and took regular classes if u don't know I can't help it. My point is there first preference was public university not Pvt. But they too finally moved to jgls. there must b some reasons for that not lure of money as stated by u. Even if senior prof like that were not given a proper treatment and compelled them to move to jgls so are the young ones. Everyone is not dying for money.

EPF is mandatory, CPF is not. 38.1 is right in that aspect. NLUs having their own CPF rules isn't surprising, but those rules mandating less PF contribution is definitely questionable.
By the way, NLUD still considers MPS as an emeritus faculty. Technically he still can be.

This is perhaps the most balanced and unbiased comment made in this thread. Complete agree with all of it.

When JGLS requires the NLU alumni faculty to pester their personal overseas connections to give JGLS a good rating in QS survey forms, that does not feel like respect or ethical, but overall, the working conditions are still better at JGLS than at any NLU today.

FM will get it renewed. He is doing great things at NALSAR. If he gets a 3rd tenure he will make NALSAR the best law school.