Justice KT Thomas’ 2009 review of NLSIU Bangalore focused on NLSIU students’ vision and academic issues but stopped short of looking deeper into the books of accounts or administration, unlike the hard-hitting Nalsar Hyderabad judicial inquiry from 2011.
Former Supreme Court judge Thomas headed the three-member School Review Commission (SRC) including professor Virendra Kumar, former law department chairman of the Delhi University law faculty, and former NUJS Kolkata vice-chancellor professor MP Singh.
“The commission decided to focus its concerns principally on three counts: (i) the vision of the persons at the time of their joining the NLSIU; (ii) the extent of realization of that vision; and (iii) the bottlenecks they experienced or encountered in fulfilling that vision,” stated the SRC’s report, a copy of which was published by legal publication Bar & Bench yesterday. [download PDF of full report here]
On 15 January 2011, the Times of India had reported that the “dismal state of affairs” at NLSIU, was evidenced by “just 4-6 hours of classroom teaching a week, rising instances of drug abuse, sex and drinking among students, indifference to plagiarism in student project reports and decline in serious research pursuit and academic rigour.”
Glowing introduction
Pages 4 to 9 of the report are complimentary, describing the phase of “exploration and growth” at the college since its founding, while the section heading “diminution” starts by citing NLSIU’s rank slipping to second spot in India Today’s law college rankings in 2011 behind Nalsar.
The SRC reported that after the founding members left (Professor Madhava Menon had started NLSIU in 1988), administrative and academic affairs began to be taken care of by the next generation. The “level of functioning of the NLSIU is now far from expectation”, stated the report.
The commission was also not impressed with teaching and research output of the faculty, criticising in particular “the extinction of March of the Law and NLSIU Journal” in 1992 and 1999 respectively, as well as faculty indifference to plagiarism in students’ project reports, stating: “The teachers are often ignorant and mostly indifferent.”
The report briefly alleged the college was “dolling [sic] out favours” to “undeserved” retired district judges with no prior academic contributions, who were appointed to academic positions at NLS, but did not name any such appointees.
Distressed
Additionally, the report claimed that the students’ state of affairs had been “distressing”, and it was displeased with one faculty’s account of “resort to drugs and liquors among students” and “unabashed indulgence in sex has been disturbingly on the rise”.
“The rumour mill has it that the preference for NLS is because of its climate of license,” the the committee re-reported the faculty member complaint.
The report concluded: “The young minds, in the absence of beneficent control and interactive relationship with the teachers, have become an easy prey to all sorts of evil practices of smoking, drinking, drug abuse, sex, etc., resulting into terrible stress, dreadful depression, at least two cases of suicides and a dozen of attempted suicides, and even a murder!”.
That murder appears to refer to the year 2007 incident where two youths working as labourers in Nagarbhavi factories were arrested for stabbing to death final year NLS student Alyosha Kumar and injuring his classmate Siddarath on Nagarbhavi main road, reported The Hindu.
The commission report into Nalsar involved four current and former judges investigating the college for four months and 30 days of meetings. Their final report included detailed examination of the financial accounts, a long list of student grievances and even cited complaints of scorpions on campus. Current vice-chancellor Veer Singh has since resigned, Legally India reported today.
Legally India had requested a copy of the NLSIU report and financial accounts and similar reports from six other national law schools under right to information (RTI) laws on Monday (6 February).
Report’s highlights in a nutshell
India Today ranking drop diminutes (sic) NLS (page 9)
“By virtue of its merit and traditional inertia, the NLSIU is still rated as Number One amongst the top 15 Law Colleges in India. This ranking is reported to have been done on the basis of its record in terms of placements, faculty competence, infrastructure, and pedagogic systems (see, Outlook, “India’s Top Professional Colleges,” June 24- 30, 2008, at page 37).
“However, this ranking has slipped to Number Two position during the current year according to India Today. Despite the relative top position of the NLSIU, a certain degree of gradual diminution has started creeping in during the past ten years or so. The decline is in relation to its own high standard that the NLSIU had set in for itself. Such a change […] seemed evident when the responsibility of academic and administrative functioning of the NLSIU passed on from the founding members to the next generation of builders of the school.”
Disarrayed institution (page 10)
“Drawing the detailed rules and regulations, indeed, is an integral part of the process of institutionalization, which has hitherto not taken place unfortunately. In the absence of those rules and regulations, the working of the NLSIU has fallen into disarray.”
Show me the hours (page 10-11)
“Some teachers, especially amongst the younger members of the faculty, have been assigned courses to teach in which they hardly had any prior requisite in-depth exposure.”
“Workload of class-room teaching has been reduced from 14-16 hours to 4-6 hours per week for all.”
“Cancellation of the scheduled class owing to the non-availability of the teacher concerned at the last moment has become rather a common practice.” “Teaching of courses has become a matter of whims and fancies of each teacher.”
No March of Law (page 12)
“It is a pity to learn that the publication of March of the Law was stopped after 1992, whereas NLSIU Journal did not see the light of the day after 1998-99.”
Ignorant, indifferent, undeserved teachers (page 12)
“The teachers are often ignorant and mostly indifferent to the menace of plagiarism in the project reports submitted by the students.
“The pivotal appointments on the academic side, say, to the post of Adjunct Professor carrying the honorarium of Rs. 35,000 per month, are being made from amongst the non-academic persons, like the retired District Judges with no prior academic contribution. This amounts to dolling out favours amongst the undeserved ones, and thereby diluting the academic standards.”
Drastic decline (page 13)
“The overall emerging picture on the basis of totality of circumstances reveals that there is drastic decline in discipline and dilution of academic standard. The rigorous work culture and singular commitment, which used to be the hallmark of the NLSIU during the first decade of its existence, is on the wane.
“Despite the fact that the NLSIU still continues to hold the premier position amongst the law schools in India, the common entrenched feeling that the SRC has gathered from diverse sources is that of extreme ‘dissatisfaction’: the level of functioning of the NLSIU is now far from expectation.”
Knowledgeable circle elite come, grab desk jobs only (page 27)
“Impression has gone around in knowledgeable circles that the NLSIU is meant only for the elite or upper classes to serve the corporate world. Such impression is reinforced by the fact that only those students could afford to study in the prestigious law school, who are in a position to meet the high expenditure to the tune of about one lakh twenty-five thousand rupees per annum on account of tuition fees, hostel, mess and other infrastructure charges.”
“If the other charges, such as the cost of books, stationery, computer software and hardware, travel and personal upkeep are included, the yearly expenditure further rises to in the proximity of about two lakhs of rupees. Despite the heavy expenditure, the NLSIU is still the preferred place to study, but only for those who could afford to invest, say, around 10 lakhs of rupees for the graduation course of five years.”
Teacher leave them kids alone (page 33)
“To begin with it is not essentially the students who are problematic. Nor it is the problem of students versus teachers. It is the problem of teachers themselves. It is they who require an effective code of conduct in the first instance.”
Teachers bunking school (page 34)
“The deviating direction is evident from the fact that a senior faculty member, reflecting upon the present scenario, is compelled to share with the SRC that sincerity and commitment amongst the teachers, which used be the trade marks of the NLSIU, are now conspicuous by their absence, and that it is now highly impossible to get the work done by the faculty members. Absenteeism is common among faculty members, and that there is no accountability for the faculty, stated another senior faculty member.”
Drugs, sex and dhokha (page 34)
“If the controlling characters, the teachers, themselves become uncontrollable, the character of the controlled ones, the students, could be anybody’s guess. Distressing picture of the students’ state of affairs emerges from the following cryptic account of a senior faculty member before the SRC:
“‘Resort to drugs and liquors among students have been on the rise. Drugs have been discovered near hostel premises and reported on. Empty liquor bottles bear mute witness to the consumption of liquor by the students. There is no visible change for the better.
“‘Unabashed indulgence in sex has been disturbingly on the rise. Public display of affection both inside college premises and outside has become routine. At an open meeting of the faculty and students a first year girl student even asked the Vice-Chancellor why the college has not provided space for sex. The rumour mill has it that the preference for NLS is because of its climate of license.’”
‘Easy prey’ don’t need no thought control (page 35)
“The permissive atmosphere of the school has emboldened the students to ask for more release or liberation. A presentation was made by a senior student requesting the SRC to restrain the NLSIU from resorting to “pervasive surveillance and censorship actions on the NLSIU Computer network with respect to communication and speech both made and accessed by members of the student community,” for it seriously affects “student’s everyday civil liberties concerning speech and expression.
“The young minds, in the absence of beneficent control and interactive relationship with the teachers, have become an easy prey to all sorts of evil practices of smoking, drinking, drug abuse, sex, etc., resulting into terrible stress, dreadful depression, at least two cases of suicides and a dozen of attempted suicides, and even a murder!”
Comments
It would be interesting to see how much MP Singh contributed to the sex, drugs and lack of intervention section. Under him, NUJS has ended up with laxer hostel rules, greater drug and alcohol abuse, and a massive increase in students getting hauled up by the police.
It would be interesting to see how much MP Singh contributed to the sex, drugs and lack of intervention section. Under him, NUJS has ended up with laxer hostel rules, greater drug and alcohol abuse, and a massive increase in students getting hauled up by the police.[/quote]
After Madhva Menon, M.P. Singh was the one because of which NUJS is what it is today.
He has worked a lot, and your baseless point does not appeal much.
He is THE Vice Chancellor.
It would be interesting to see how much MP Singh contributed to the sex, drugs and lack of intervention section. Under him, NUJS has ended up with laxer hostel rules, greater drug and alcohol abuse, and a massive increase in students getting hauled up by the police.[/quote]
It is quite interesting that you raise this point. I feel MP Singh was the only liberal in the review commission.
It is true that NUJS relaxed its curfew timings under MP Singh. Which in *no way* points to anything being wrong with students here. Whereas adjectives like 'greater' and 'massive increase' suggest you have access to some secret empirical data about the consumption of marijuana, alcohol and the students' sexual activity in Indian law schools.
Please keep your myopic moral ideals out of this thread. The fact that the report considered these issues important is in itself worrying.
People for MP Singh
and 4-6 hours of teaching is for the fifth years students who have seminars .... rest have 24 hours a week every week.
and smoking, sex. oh my god. where is the world going!
and for research output .... nls has the most research output probably among students (along with nujs and nalsar) ... more papers, discussion groups etc ....
look at other colleges .... no publishing of papers ... only mooting. nothing else .... nls and the two colleges are eons ahead
Every other factual assertion is correct.
Thanks for your comments.
It is clear we are damned if we do, and equally damned if we don't.
I cite this and other similar comments as evidence:
http://www.legallyindia.com/201202032548/Law-schools/nalsargate-download-full-judicial-report-on-gold-meddles-distance-learning-a-scorpions-nalsarites-call-off-protest#comment-27133
We reported the KT Thomas report because we had filed and RTI for it and Bar & Bench has yesterday published a copy. So here's our report on it.
I maintained from the start that it would not be terribly interesting, but we gave it the best stab possible to present its findings, however trivial, objectively.
We do not intend to be saviour of legal education. We are just doing what journalists do - i.e., report the stories we think are important, that we have time for and that we think readers will find interesting.
From there on in, all we can do is let you take it or leave it because whatever we write will clearly always upset someone out there.
So, we will keep listening to your feedback and we will keep doing what we do as best as able.
Win-win.
Best wishes
Kian
But why wouldn't you take the extra effort to correct some fundamentally inaccurate details mentioned in the KT Thomas reports, such as the figure of 4-6 hours of class a week?
Without independent verification by Legally India, of the facts and figured relied on in the course of the report, this piece by itself, adds nothing to the discussion.
Thanks for your comment - unfortunately it was not possible for us to verify every part of the judges' report, particularly since it was from 2009 and the facts and circumstances could very well have changed.
This was a straightforward summary of the report, to let readers make up their own mind, and take forward the discussion themselves.
Best wishes
Kian
Our aim is to tell the stories that we and/or readers think are important in an interesting and accurate manner. It is not always (though mostly) original journalism - sometimes it is aggregation or re-reporting something done elsewhere but hopefully it still improves readers' understanding, knowledge or access to information in the process.
The only thing that I think is marginally sensational in this or any other report on Legally India, is the headline.
Then again, arguably attracting attention is the purpose of most headlines; the rest of the copy we generally try to keep as tight, neutral, balanced and impartial as possible.
Judging by the popularity of this article and some of the insightful discussion it has generated (some more amusing than insightful), I feel we have succeeded here.
But ultimately, dear Reader, the choice of what you read online is of course wholly a personal preference.
Therefore please do read Bar & Bench's report and freely choose which style of writing and reporting you prefer:
http://www.barandbench.com/brief/2/2042/nlsius-school-review-commission-report-and-nalsars-quadri-report-does-it-open-a-pandoras-box
Best wishes
Kian
Thanks for your comment - unfortunately it was not possible for us to verify every part of the judges' report, particularly since it was from 2009 and the facts and circumstances could very well have changed.
This was a straightforward summary of the report, to let readers make up their own mind, and take forward the discussion themselves.
Best wishes
Kian[/quote]
But you could have tried to establish the story from a different point of view. I have been in that place for 4 years now and I disagree with most things said in the report. Wouldn't it be interesting if Legally India brought out a story from the perspective of a student! The report forgets that even today NLS students are some of the best lawyers, be in the corporate field of otherwise! If after being taught about their right to freedom of speech and expression, the judges have a problem with public display of affection, isn't it right to seek the rights which are rightfully ours. Also, I don't understand the choice of picture and its caption, why are snakes so important???
There is nothing wrong with it and it is the only way any meaningful work will ever get done.
it seems you guys are focusing a lot on legal education with an attempt to bring all law school related scandals out in middle but i wonder why other things are silently hidden from readers.....i m talking about placements in RMNLU Lukcnow....i heard last year a popular organization run by all NLS Bangalore grads promised students that they will help them in recruitment but it turned out that the interview were all staged (basically asking their own batch mates and others from your law school in law firms to conduct interview without the intention of selecting anyone just to earn money).....i wonder why this was never reported.....? bcoz NLS was involved or u know i hear u have similar business aspiration (as in helping in recruitment) so as a courtesy to competitors....
There are only so many hours in a day, and as it is, our team is tiny and the areas we cover are huge.
If someone at RMNLU had a problem with external agencies roped in to handle recruitments they should have contacted us and we could have decided whether it would have warranted enough to do a story on.
As much as it'd make our job easier, unfortunately we are not clairvoyant, nor do we follow up every thing that we hear on the grapevine.
Best wishes
Kian
ps: Out of interest, I find it bizarre why anyone would want to pay any courtesy to their 'competitors'?
No Vice Chancellor can more liberal than Prof. M.P. Singh.
Clear Facts Please.
That's the VC of NLUD dude.
That's the VC of NLUD dude.[/quote]
Lol.
You do not know your VC dude.
^True that. Every inch of free space has been taken up in order to make way for fuckin' Diggas who want 50% reservation. How can you NOT expect NLS to sink? :/
Kian, if you find something in NLS' accounts, please report it. I am sure someone like ASD and Prachi will get back to you on the flaws in your reporting and you will be graceful enough to accept.
Not a single crib about the snakes picture, or the use of 'sex and drugs' in the headline.
Nalsarites on the other hand were foaming at the mouth about scorpions, one of their professors, anti Nalsar balance and everything else. Insecure much?
I rest my case.
Not a single crib about the snakes picture, or the use of 'sex and drugs' in the headline.
Nalsarites on the other hand were foaming at the mouth about scorpions, one of their professors, anti Nalsar balance and everything else. Insecure much?
I rest my case.[/quote]
Indeed. They are insecure. Even they know this.
Not a single crib about the snakes picture, or the use of 'sex and drugs' in the headline.
Nalsarites on the other hand were foaming at the mouth about scorpions, one of their professors, anti Nalsar balance and everything else. Insecure much?
I rest my case.[/quote]
Indeed. They are insecure. Even they know this.[/quote]
And you are so secure to even point it out. Very mature I say. Well done!!
Firstly, NLSIU won Jessup back in the year 1999, some 12 year ago (Report is of 2009). For past 4-5 years, performance of NLS in moots is no better than other colleges. Check the list of this years moots, i.e., whether collegs like NALSAR, NUJS, and NLUD had even participated which they had won (some local moots too, example, Rizvi)
Secondly, students of other colleges are also publishing papers.(At least do some research, I hope you know how to do that)
Thirdly, NLS has not given good lawyers to High Courts and Supreme Courts (This shows the presence of lack of knowledge). GLC has given more lawyers than it, so what? There are only A FEW in High Court Courts from NLSIU.
Fourthly, Partners at law firms are from batches which were pre-2003. (Again, the report is of 2009, and not pre-2003).
Fifthly, Allahabad University produces more IAS/IPS/IFS officers (Yes, it also has 5 year LLB course)
and lastly, Trilegal was opened a long back [2001], and the report is of 2009.
Certainly, someones needs to analyse things carefully. Or it is another evidence to show the huge downfall in the quality of NLSIU.
Firstly, NLSIU won Jessup back in the year 1999, some 12 year ago (Report is of 2009). For past 4-5 years, performance of NLS in moots is no better than other colleges. Check the list of this years moots, i.e., whether collegs like NALSAR, NUJS, and NLUD had even participated which they had won (some local moots too, example, Rizvi)
Secondly, students of other colleges are also publishing papers.(At least do some research, I hope you know how to do that)
Thirdly, NLS has not given good lawyers to High Courts and Supreme Courts (This shows the presence of lack of knowledge). GLC has given more lawyers than it, so what? There are only A FEW in High Court Courts from NLSIU.
Fourthly, Partners at law firms are from batches which were pre-2003. (Again, the report is of 2009, and not pre-2003).
Fifthly, Allahabad University produces more IAS/IPS/IFS officers (Yes, it also has 5 year LLB course)
and lastly, Trilegal was opened a long back [2001], and the report is of 2009.
Certainly, someones needs to analyse things carefully. Or it is another evidence to show the huge downfall in the quality of NLSIU.[/quote]
Performance in moots is not bad. Like Rizvi? Which are the other moots or is that the only one?
The post never said that we're the only one's publishing.
You would know that cause you know all the people who have passed out from NLS and are practicing, right?
We, also, produce civil servants.
Enterpreneurs? We're not just referring to Trilegal.
So, you hardly know anything about or anybody from NLS and you're an expert on NLS. Wow!
Two IAS officers in 2009. One Rhodes every year since and Man Lachs was last one by an Indian Team in ... 2009?
We might fall down a hundred storeys but we are still way ahead in terms of quality from the second best college, NALSAR, which pays to get ranked. NUJS is no competition. So, which college are you talking about that is as good as NLS if not better?
O LA O LA O LA O LALA
Sex, who wouldn't want a place where they can do it. In the name god we don't do drugs, smoke or drink as openly as they do in NUJS. We don't mind any of it. Do you, cause you'll are way ahead?
Firstly, NLSIU won Jessup back in the year 1999, some 12 year ago (Report is of 2009). For past 4-5 years, performance of NLS in moots is no better than other colleges. Check the list of this years moots, i.e., whether collegs like NALSAR, NUJS, and NLUD had even participated which they had won (some local moots too, example, Rizvi)
Secondly, students of other colleges are also publishing papers.(At least do some research, I hope you know how to do that)
Thirdly, NLS has not given good lawyers to High Courts and Supreme Courts (This shows the presence of lack of knowledge). GLC has given more lawyers than it, so what? There are only A FEW in High Court Courts from NLSIU.
Fourthly, Partners at law firms are from batches which were pre-2003. (Again, the report is of 2009, and not pre-2003).
Fifthly, Allahabad University produces more IAS/IPS/IFS officers (Yes, it also has 5 year LLB course)
and lastly, Trilegal was opened a long back {2001}, and the report is of 2009.
Certainly, someones needs to analyse things carefully. Or it is another evidence to show the huge downfall in the quality of NLSIU.[/quote]
Performance in moots is not bad. Like Rizvi? Which are the other moots or is that the only one?
The post never said that we're the only one's publishing.
You would know that cause you know all the people who have passed out from NLS and are practicing, right?
We, also, produce civil servants.
Enterpreneurs? We're not just referring to Trilegal.
So, you hardly know anything about or anybody from NLS and you're an expert on NLS. Wow!
Two IAS officers in 2009. One Rhodes every year since and Man Lachs was last one by an Indian Team in ... 2009?
We might fall down a hundred storeys but we are still way ahead in terms of quality from the second best college, NALSAR, which pays to get ranked. NUJS is no competition. So, which college are you talking about that is as good as NLS if not better?[/quote]
Ha Ha! It is too amusing that people have actually started feeling insecure.
"Miles ahead" - In what sense buddy? Provide RATIONAL REASONS. You know how to give that.
Surely it is ahead, but not "MILES AHEAD".
Let me make an analysis.
Faculty - Faculty of NUJS is a lot better than that of NLISU. Please have an analysis.
CLAT batches are coming into the picture {from next year graduating batch will be of CLAT students}
Earlier, there was a difference because each college had its own entrance exam {WITH SUBJECTIVE PAPER}, because of which they used to choose students whom they want to {ONE CAN DO THAT BY MARKING SUBJECTIVE ANSWERS}.
Now Publication, - NUJS Law Review has been ranked as the best Law Review. Please have a look.
Mooting - NUJS was the best in INTERNATIONAL MOOTS for past 2 years. {WAIT FOR THIS YEAR TOO}. NALSAR had been winning MPL for past 2 years {Each college has a bad mooting season season}
Placements - Check buddy, once again! In Domestic Placements, NUJS had a greater number {in terms of quality of firms}.
Coming to the Current 4th year of NUJS {Yes! 4th year, and not 5th year}, Some 5-6 INTERNATIONAL Training Contracts ALREADY {They are yet to enter 5th year}.
Research - Please have a look at the Research done by the Faculty and students of NUJS, NALSAR.
Entrepreneurship - Your E-CELL {Entuition, Correct?} is no better than a mere committee for organizing seminar. The kind of ventures {Eg. Food joints, "Don't be so Late" But I am later, in spiritus, right?} are good, but many such ventures are started by NUJS students too {please do a research}. People at NUJS had started LPO, Consultancy Firm {Ip Leaders} while they were STUDYING. and they are from very recent batches.
Main Entrepreneurship is done by pre-2003 batches, Sachin Malhan was too a pre-2003 graduate {Isn't it?}
Akosha is just a "ok" venture, and such ventures have been started by students of other law schools, and not only NUJS.
"So, you hardly know anything about or anybody from NLS and you're an expert on NLS. Wow!"
Surely I am not an expert, but surely I know how to do research {Yes! surprisingly my college had taught me how to do it}
After this, I am too sure that your institution is "MILES AHEAD". Indeed.
We have the only law review that has been cited by the supreme court. When did he pass out? Somewhere, in the last five years.
Best Law Review? By who was it marked so? What was the criteria? What was the margin? (Surely, you must know all this, cause your college taught you how to do research.)
Best for the past two years? And best this year, too? Maybe. But, you're forgetting how to do research by now. Hardly any international rounds have happened. And we won Maritime Arbitration (International Moot).
In terms of quality? You must know NUJS has more students than we do, right? And let's see if you know how to research. How many students from NLS have received training contracts?
I'm not sure about research in NUJS, but i do know NALSAR was helping with the Disability Bill. And suggestions made by NLS students have been incorporated and cited in the Gazette of India. The Consumer Rights Amendment Bill has also seen contribution from NLS.
What ventures would you categorisee as not "ok" ventures? LPO's, pfft. Would you please care to name other ventures by other colleges and not just NUJS?
Yes, it is surprising that your college taught you how to do research. We always believed they knew nothing (Yes,we are cocky, only when required though). Anyway, either they have nothing to teach or you didn't learn anything.
Cause you see, "MILES AHEAD", is not what we are or what I said we are. We are better even if by an inch. One more thing, numbers don't account for much and myabe other colleges are better. We are still first cause we are still the first choice, when everbody writes CLAT, they write to get into NLS (Numbers don't matter much but, then again.).
Cause I see my college has taught me how to use the terms which can be used as "synonyms". Cause I see that the term "Miles Ahead" is similar and synonymous to "Way ahead". Cause you see you are still to learn how to use "Synonyms". Cause I see that I have already learnt it. Cause I see using "synonyms" has nothing do with research. Cause now I know that why one cannot develop analogy.
Cause I see that your law review is some "20 years old", and ours is merely some "3" years old. Cause I see that our VC (he was there until December 2011) himself edits a Constitutional Book which is cited by Supreme Court very often (and not just once). Cause I see that the article which Supreme cited of your review was also written by some leading legal practioner (Arvind Datar, right?)Cause I see that such scholars are present in NUJS itself. Cause I see that ranking of law reviews was conducted by an indepedent body which is not based in India (creiteion do include case methodilogy, its costs etc. and many other relevant factors)
Cause I see that the value of an institution is not by how and who choose it (this shows how flawed is your analogy, and I just got another reseaon). Cause I also see that a performance of an instution is judged by independent bodies (Human Development index of India is not judged by India itself). Cause I see that people even choose Mayawati as their CM.
Cause I have learnt not to catch my eggs before they hatch. Cause you see I cannot just rely on what my seniors did, and I beleive in what I do. Cause you see I know that I can do as good as any other law student in this place.
So, now the "20 years" matter? If it's not decided by those who want to get into it then how can it be decided by an independent body? Tell me, you didn't want to get into NLS in the first place. Seems like your college isn't very old yet you claim it is better than us, which college would that be?
If it is what you do that matters, then you have no case, cause you did nothing which you mentioned before and you wouldn't have let this come down to "NLS is better" argument. I don't see why someone has to criticise NLS everytime, when we never say another college is bad. Each to his own.
You still haven't named a college that is better and there rests the case.
Yes, it was my "FIRST Preference", because is "better", but not "Miles ahead". While I was preparing for CLAT, I was certainly preparing for "TOP 3" which most of my batch-mates were doing.
"Seems like your college isn't very old yet you claim it is better than us, which college would that be?"
Again flawed logic. Read the statements made by me. I said, it is better, but not "Miles ahead". And I stick to that claim.
"You still haven't named a college that is better and there rests the case."
Is that was the case which were talking about, or "as good as if not better", and "NUJS is no competition".
You are again and again trying to prove that how flawed one can be. Now, here rests the case
way ahead put in context would be better and not "MILES AHEAD".
You're confused or confusing. "Again flawed logic. Read the statements made by me. I said, it is better, but not "Miles ahead". And I stick to that claim.", if you're referring to your college, I've not accused you of saying "MILES AHEAD". If you were referring to NLS, again, I said way ahead and stress is often implied by using quotes cause one cannot decipher proper intent/tone. Using quotes and MILES AHEAD makes it different. And we do accept that NLS has falling standards but not when compared to other colleges the benchmark here being the previous batches.
We might be in the same league but NUJS is still no competition, 'for the first place'. If the meaning is sufficiently clear now (I noticed you said. "NLS is better"), let me say that the top 3 colleges play on the same level but we are way ahead compared to the rest.
It is like saying that you are you play on a same level, but you are no competition, why? Like I am your Daddy Man. No Rational Reasons buddy. I will appreciate it, and not just a single phrase "we are still a way ahead". How exactly are you way ahead, provide some RATIONAL REASONS.
You "were" way ahead a few years ago, but not anymore.
Ha! ha!
Still, clear your concepts of Synonyms. When you are saying that the college is a way ahead, then you are claiming that is far better, and if one uses the word "Miles ahead", it will not certainly change the meaning.
The thing is that confused people cannot understand what is being said by others.
You're deflecting, cause you're the one with the flawed logic or you just made a mistake. Admit it cause that's what you said,
"Seems like your college isn't very old yet you claim it is better than us, which college would that be?
Again flawed logic. Read the statements made by me. I said, it is better, but not "Miles ahead". And I stick to that claim."
Yippie-Kai-Yay!
Still only a phrase with no rational reason. At least, you have learnt something I must say. Premises with no reasons. Kudos!
This statement was made my you,
"Seems like your college isn't very old yet you claim it is better than us, which college would that be?" - Mind to read your own statements
and I had just copied it for the reference. Again you are proving yourself to be flawed.
I can see that you copied it for reference but your explanation is totally out of order. I suggest you go through the post again. (Yours)
You're blind, proved, yet again by the fact that you cannot see reason, rational or otherwise.
It seems that there is no use to argue with a flawed person.
I can only wish you improve your erroneous analysis and reasoning.
You might wish for me to improve but you definitely have no scope for improvement. Erroneous analysis and reasoning, pfft!
Go on!
You laugh at things that don't exist. I know a certain other group that does the same, the mad do the same. If you point out the flaw, I'll concede. On the other hand, just so you know, I have a satisfied grin on my face cause for all the flaws and illogical reasoning that you see, I would like you to get out of this one.
"Why so serious?"
This is primary reason of Downfall, or the reason why other colleges are catching up, "If you know what I mean"
When sarcasm is hidden in such a way it makes a lot of sense.
You sound like a clerk of your college whose work includes compiling a list.
You actually have the time to compile the list?
I have no doubt, all the people who have commented above are from 1st or 2nd year.
Do not waste your time, rather utilise it. You yourself know a college will now help you as long as you are not working.
PS: I am from an ordinary law college
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In this respect, in order for an institution such as NLS to be effective in achieving its objectives and also to stand above the rest of the NLUs, the quality of faculty is the paramount issue. In this respect, the report is bang on target and it is precisely this aspect that needs to be corrected.
While the readers of this site may want salacious gossip, and may want sensational revelations on accounts etc, in my view what the report reveals is as shocking as anything else as it is clear that there is a severe deterioration in faculty standards which is extremely important and which the readers seem to have missed entirely.
Kian - While I am sure you will defend your writing, it is not warranted to judge that the report is "Unambitious" which is your headline. It is laudable to state that there is an urgent need for course correction. Further, it is wrong to state that the report bashes students for unbashed sex and little else. The report makes far reaching recommendations and also has adverse findings on a lot of aspects. There is a lot in the report if you read it carefully and certainly it is incorrect to say that there is nothing other than bashing students for sex in this report.
Lastly, students, reports of such nature are not "my college is better than yours or worse than yours". While they may not be what you believe is correct, they serve a purpose in communicating to the various stakeholders what are some (and admittedly not all) of the shortcomings are.
As alumni, please question critically the workings of your alma mater and not blindly defend an institution merely because you graduated from there.
Do something about the speed!
What kind of connection are you using and can you notice which part of the site is not loading quickly? The images, the text, the sharing buttons, or other things?
Would be really helpful in improving the performance further.
Best regards
Kian
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Rest all is fine :)
Best
Kian
No Vice Chancellor can more liberal than Prof. M.P. Singh.
Clear Facts Please.[/quote]
I am a big MP Singh fan and have personally heard him tell a parent that it was not his job to interfere with personal lives of students. But, I think our own Dumbledore, by not adding a note of dissent to the report, left some scope for the likes Reeta Skeeters to take potshots at him. He is a great man, but not divine. I think this is an error he must not have committed. But, this does not reflect on his personal views on the matter given the numerous occasions where we have seen him refuse to take action on charges like 'boy found in girls hostel', 'couple found making out in the academic block', etc. I wish he had reflected the philosophy he implemented at NUJS and the one which he stressed on in his farewell speech in this report too.
But despite this human error, to me and a lot of Noojies, he remains our Albus Dumbledore
This Link is really interesting showing how the report of the Committee is valid with regard to "Sex". The incident of the time when the report was in place.
This Link is really interesting showing how the report of the Committee is valid with regard to "Sex". The incident of the time when the report was in place.[/quote]
So a report saying that a college has a functional and effective sexual harassment policy is indicative of "unabashed sex"?
There's a problem with unwanted sexual advances, not with sex. The fact that NLS cracks down on unwanted sexual advances is a good thing. The fact that students are sexually active is NOT a bad thing.
Just because there is a high crime rate in a Country, and they resolve it, does not, in any manner mean that the place is safe to live in.
Just because there is a high crime rate in a Country, and they resolve it, does not, in any manner mean that the place is safe to live in.[/quote]
First, one case of sexual harassment is not equatable to "a high crime rate"
Second, if you read my comment, its kind of more about the report referred to in the title of the article. College students having sex is not a bad thing, while the report suggests it is. One sexual harassment case in 5 years (or 2 in 10 years) doesn't prove that it is.
Also, countries that resolve their high crime rate problems are usually safe to live in.
In one of the recent moot (From the "Mooting fiesta weekend" - HA!), the after moot camaraderie was built on some good ol' pot.
Sex and drugs are an inherent part of law school life.
I can only imagine what the old fart would have to say if he'd investigate my law school!