Ragging, dubbed as other things, still persists in NLSIU, alleges blog

At NLSIU Bangalore a ritual dubbed the “scavenger hunt”, which allegedly resembles ragging, still persists nowadays, 10 years after the notification of the nationwide anti-ragging rules, according to a blog submitted anonymously to Youth Ki Awaaz by a student of the law school.

The blogger wrote that she suffers from a mental health condition that easily triggers social anxiety and describes how it is an unnecessary torment to be forced into “positive interaction”, including the scavenger hunt with senior NLSIU students.

The “positive interaction” at NLSIU allegedly involves sexual harassment and force feeding of alcohol as well but is not reported due to fear of public ostracisation, according to the blog.

The blogger writes:

Yes, waiting outside Himalaya to pounce on first years returning from the Academic Block counts as forcing people into a social situation. Banging on their doors at night does as well. Amalgamating into NLS would have been very difficult for me even without [positive interaction], the whole process just made it worse and all the more exhausting.

There is also this instance from the scavenger hunt where the tallest, thinnest girls in our group were chosen to be auctioned off as part of a challenge. Now, that’s a clear case of objectification. Why I can’t choose to ignore this aspect of PI is because patriarchy intersects with my condition. Take, for instance, being asked to pole dance. I wasn’t asked to do it but the prospect of it frightened me more because of my discomfort with my body.

The blog describes that how the very existence of such rituals is problematic due to their often inherent sexism, casteism, patriarchal constructs, objectification and lack of sensitivity to mental health, but also when seniors try to over-compensate for the harsh interaction by consoling the new students and in the process making them feel worse through being “infantilised”.

It concludes with a suggestion for rethinking some of the ideas of socialising or interacting on campus:

A lot of you might still think I am being silly but what I am going through is very real, at least for me. I suggest that you come up with fresher, FRIENDLIER ideas for interaction with the new batch if you really must interact so much. It might be a fun power trip, but you never know how you’re affecting another person. CulComm also needs to ensure that the scavenger hunt doesn’t turn out to be a series of PI sessions. The ‘ice-breaking session’ felt like a token act after the nightmare that was the scavenger hunt.

Comments

nlu 16 Jul 2018, 13:55
+21 -5
Ragging exists in all top NLUs, but seniors are under the illusion that their positive interaction can be traumatising for first years. Another example of objectification is NUJSs so called annual Randi Premier League. (You can censor this if you want but anyone from NUJS can confirm this)
LI report 17 Jul 2018, 08:14
+3 -1
Kian what happened to your Sexual Harassment article? Why not compile all the incidents? NLSIU grads will top the list.
Shame 16 Jul 2018, 14:21
+22 -7
Glad that LI is finally shedding its bias and exposing the rot within NLSIU. Ragging has been happening for ages, still happens. Sexual humiliation, physical beatings, vulgar abuse... it's as common as drinking a glass of milk for some students. Many years ago, one of the most notorious perpetrators got away scot free for his crimes, as his papa was a bigwig and close to the Congress party top brass. Just ask anyone. There is a conspiracy of silence among the admin and students that keeps a lid on ragging incidents.
Ii 17 Jul 2018, 03:00
+8 -0
And u know forcing to drink is the final nail in the coffin...
administration of NLS,anti ragging cell are they dorks? they're acting to know nothing,but they know very well
This rot practices should be stopped before granting INI Tag
Mouse 19 Jul 2018, 15:16
+1 -1
Poor Micky mouse
Stop lying 20 Jul 2018, 07:27
+5 -2
To anyone who has studied at NLS, this campaign of calumny is so transparent that it's hilarious. Ragging of any kind is not rampant as it is being made out to be here. An overwhelming majority of the students don't have the appetite for trouble of any kind.
Hilarious. 29 Jul 2018, 11:43
+1 -1
If you read the article you would have realised that not a single person is touched during these interactions. I am pretty confident the kind of ragging which happens in other NLUs is far worse.
This is not to downplay the damage these interactions had on this girl who has heightened social anxiety. She is right to point out that these practices are wrong, and it is high time we elevated ourselves above the rest of the riff raff in just another way.

Anyone saying that ragging is worse in NLS is lying to themselves.
Advocate Delhi 16 Jul 2018, 14:49
+8 -1
What the hell these privileged students are doing on their campuses? This education at so called best law schools of the country? Shameful and disgusting.
Gourment 16 Jul 2018, 15:00
+19 -4
NLSIU seems to be having jerks who believe in bullying, ragging and sexual harassment. Met such certain NLSIU dark characters in real life. After 'graduating' in bullying and sexual harasment they become fit for the role of Group Counsel and Senior Partner.
Guest 16 Jul 2018, 18:36
+15 -2
If a supposedly socialist, pro-LGBT scholar like Lawrence Liang can be found guilty of multiple sexual harassment, what do you expect of the others at NLSIU?? There is a really toxic culture over there, which carries over into the workplace when these people graduate.
Troll harder 29 Jul 2018, 11:45
+0 -0
Lawrence Liang is one individual. He is not a reflection of an entire institution.
Concluding that everyone is just like him reflects more on your trollish stupidity.

If you want to troll NLS, why not come up with better logic than that?

Come on.. Try harder.
Guest 16 Jul 2018, 23:21
+1 -0
I sent you the link kian?
kianganz 17 Jul 2018, 05:04
+5 -0
Yes, I think so - many thanks!
Observer 17 Jul 2018, 03:52
+6 -1
Grow up kids of nls, it is an old bad habit of human being to rule over others,Taking advantage of unfamiliarity of new students, Misuse of rising adolescent hormones, Have a better harmonious understanding of human nature. Any attempt of calling it by different name indicates the same very nature. No defense is acceptable in the line that it happens everywhere.
Ram, Jai Shree J. 17 Jul 2018, 04:25
+7 -20
Chin up guys. Grow some balls and stand up for yourself.
Agitit 17 Jul 2018, 06:58
+26 -0
Very helpful, thanks. Never crossed our minds.
Guest 18 Jul 2018, 06:53
+3 -1
LOL
Idiot 19 Jul 2018, 15:14
+0 -2
What an idiot
Ugly Truth 17 Jul 2018, 04:47
+18 -29
Thanks to NLSIU's PR machine, websites like LI and Bar & Bench do not highlight problems there. Well, let me give you a brief history of the types of incidents that have happened at NLSIU over the years (if LI will allow it):

1. Juniors being made to act like butlers: polish shoes of seniors, bring them coffee and toast to their rooms in the morning etc.

2. Juniors being made to pay bills for seniors for dining out, drinks etc.

3. Juniors who are from conservative/religious backgrounds being mocked and forced to watch porn and answer insulting questions about sexual behaviour.

4. "Positive interaction" during birthdays, known to the rest of the world as assault and battery, for which one normally gets arrested.

5. Being stripped, sexual humiliation.

6. Forced consumption of alcohol and drugs.

People think that ragging happens mainly at IITs. This is no longer true. They are super-strict at IITs now. You will get permanently expelled for any type of ragging. Ragging only happens at small-time engineering colleges, whose culture NLSIU students seem to emulate.
Guest 17 Jul 2018, 18:42
+3 -6
This dont happen at nlsiu. Which nlsiu are u referring to
Guest2 18 Jul 2018, 13:49
+11 -1
As an ex-NLSIU student from over 10 years ago, I can say that a lot of these things did not happen during my time there. Sure, you were asked to get the seniors water or food in the mess or were caught by groups of them and asked things which could embarrass you or were shouted at, I dont think it ever got to assault, battery, sexual humiliation, paying bills or any of the other things outlined above. If the culture today is one where such actions take place, then that is tragic and should certainly be stopped.
Pinocchio 20 Jul 2018, 06:34
+14 -2
What a load of horse feathers! I'm an NLSite and I have a niece who studies there now. This sort of nonsense never happened at NLS and simply does not happen there. The comments here are a shameless smearing campaign.
Fake news 29 Jul 2018, 11:46
+0 -0
This is just patently untrue.

Just because you are anonymous doesn't give you carte blanche to lie.
ISIS behaviour 17 Jul 2018, 08:16
+9 -5
Parading women and auctioning them is something ISIS barbarians do. Shameful that NLSIU students draw inspiration from them.
Fake news 29 Jul 2018, 11:48
+0 -1
Moonlighting from the BJP Fake IT cell?
Mummy Pappa 18 Jul 2018, 05:36
+4 -3
The roots are like this

These guys have political connections and come from backgrounds of money and no values. They have been doing bad things since childhood and their mummy and pappa have been protecting them. They go to college and do the bad things but still mummy pappa somehow help them. Then they get top positions in corporates and law firms through mummy pappa. But eventually they get caught and punished.
Fake news 29 Jul 2018, 11:49
+2 -0
Its remarkable how people with the top 57 ranks in CLAT some how all have amazing political connections as well.

You are just speaking out of your a** now.

Stop, you are just making a fool out of yourself.
Symbi 4 the win! 20 Jul 2018, 08:23
+0 -0
Whats the point in "prestige" if all you get are scars! Come to Symbi, get an experience of a lifetime and an education!
Hahahahahahahaha
Guest 24 Jul 2018, 20:11
+3 -1
The comments here are outrageous. You have allowed filth in the comment section. The reason why people have the gall for writing such things in comment section is perhaps they know, no matter how much shit they spew, you guys will post it straight up in the comment section. Though that remains the choice of the people who run this website, some amount of moderation is missing.
000 25 Jul 2018, 07:11
+1 -3
Really? Say that to the STUDENT from NLSIU who wrote the blogpost in the first place levelling the ragging allegations.
Guest 25 Jul 2018, 09:48
+7 -1
He has expressed a problem with some of the comments and not the original complaint. Do not divert the attention from the point raised here. What he has said is absolutely true. Anonymous garbage is always accorded a high degree of sanctity in this forum in the garb of freedom of speech, which was never meant to be anonymous freedom to begin with.
kianganz 25 Jul 2018, 09:58
+6 -4
Which comments specifically are 'filth', in your opinion?

Some of the comments highlighting historical incidents at NLS are fairly accurate, to the best of my knowledge...

That doesn't mean that all that is still ongoing, and there is a fair amount of ridiculous anti-NLS hyperbole/hysteria in the comments section, but that is more amusing than 'filth'.
Guest 25 Jul 2018, 11:03
+6 -2
I'm sorry my sense of humour doesn't match yours then. I find them offensive, defamatory (I don't agree with your completely baseless position that only individuals can be defamed and institutions can't be) and abuse of anonymity.
As for 'historical' incidents, which NCERT book are you referring from exactly? Has there been a single case involving a formal committee that has issued a report highlighting such incidents? Or do you mean to state that you have individually investigated each of the alleged incidents mentioned here in all the comments and ben satisfied about their accuracy? Because, you haven't. So, by all means go ahead and publish those. Since they are obviously 'spicy' enough to attract attention, regardless of accuracy. However, taking the high ground as you often do about intending to improve upon the quality of discussion in comments here, is beyond hypocritical now. If you wish to laugh anything, laugh at that. Every one of your readers is aware of the fact that they can write whatever untruth, plain lies, unverifiable statements about people and institutions in the LI comment section and those will get their due share of supporters too, be it against law firms or law schools. And gossip always sells, after all.
kianganz 25 Jul 2018, 11:32
+5 -7
I assume it is the below that you find objectionable? Are you saying you know for a fact that these things have never happened at NLS, in its entire history, including in the first few batches, etc?

[quote]1. Juniors being made to act like butlers: polish shoes of seniors, bring them coffee and toast to their rooms in the morning etc.

2. Juniors being made to pay bills for seniors for dining out, drinks etc.

3. Juniors who are from conservative/religious backgrounds being mocked and forced to watch porn and answer insulting questions about sexual behaviour.

4. "Positive interaction" during birthdays, known to the rest of the world as assault and battery, for which one normally gets arrested.

5. Being stripped, sexual humiliation.

6. Forced consumption of alcohol and drugs. [/quote]

I know anecdotally that various degrees of some of the more serious ones above have happened at NLS and/or other top NLUs over the years, and I'm not inclined to disbelieve the entire list just because many sound quite harsh or may not have been documented or reported (by their very nature, many more serious alleged historical incidents, particularly of a sexual nature, may have happened behind closed doors and may have never been reported due to the shame and stigma involved).

By requesting pre-censorship of the entire comment because you personally don't know that they have happened, can amount to brushing things like ragging under the carpet, because they can be uncomfortable to talk about.

This isn't really about NLS, but about having an open debate about ragging and the kinds of behaviours that have gone on, and in rare cases still do (though no one is denying that things at NLS and most NLUs are much better than they used to be).

That's not defamatory to an institution, as no one will think worse of NLS or its graduates because ragging used to (and may still) exist there in various forms, but is overall a fairly healthy process.
Guest 25 Jul 2018, 12:19
+8 -3
Kian, you are not making logical sense. For me to request unfounded, unverified, anonymous statements not to be published, I don't have to be certain that none of them has happened. It is you who would have to be certain that EVERY one of those has actually happened. As a publisher, you cannot possibly be passing the onus on to the readers! It is not a case of your belief. Can you even say for sure that every single commentator who has written all this about NLSIU or for that matter, any institution at all, actually belongs to that place? If not, what makes them experts or even peple-in-the-know? That's the major problem with anonymous comments!

If I write in a comment that as the Managing Editor and Grand Poobah and Head Honcho of Legally India, under your command, a culture of regular workplace harassment has been actively cultivated within LI workspace, now how would anybody (including you) figure out whether I actually belong to LI, so as to have inside knowledge that makes my claim a believable one, or one who simply wishes to run a smear campaign against you?

I actually do not belong to NLSIU. I have little knowledge what goes on inside that place. My point is, if you publish a report on the ragging problems there and quote students/alumni without revealing their names after carrying out due diligence verification, I have no problem with that. That's good journalism and what's more, you are taking responsibility for what you have published. Publishing anonymous comments does not allow anybody to take responsibility for whatever they are claiming! Your claim about things being better across NLUs at present, for example, is entirely inaccurate. On the contrary, I can vouch that the NLU where I'd studied (considered to be one of the so-called top-tier ones) had almost zero instances of ragging during my time, apart from harmless jokes etc. Whereas as per my sources, things have gone really downhill now, starting from post-CLAT period. I could have named the NLU too, but I am not doing that, because you have no way of verifying whether I actually belong there short of me revealing my name! See what I am driving at? What you call 'healthy', is nothing but unsubstantiated rumour mongering! If you want to have a healthy discussion on that, either make the commentators reveal their own name, or else simply accept anonymous tips like you do, carry out the diligence in verifying them and publish them as report. Currently, what you are doing in the comments section cannot be considered ideal or even acceptable by any logical or rational standard. How can anyone even say that an outsider reading such comments would not form a negative image of the institution, as you proclaimed, is beyond me! Of course they will, because many of them will think it's straight from the horse's mouth, especially young students. Whereas if I want to defame NLSIU, all I have to do here is to pose as a student/alumni and write lies about that place! Surely you're not sufficiently devoid of logic as not to be able to see that?
kianganz 25 Jul 2018, 12:46
+2 -6
Agree, this approach is not without any problems, but in cases of topics such as ragging, sexual harassment, or bullying culture in law firms, say, the comments section is meant to be a free and open exchange of ideas.

I think readers also take what happens in the comments section with a pinch of salt (as our disclaimer also makes clear), and no one is suggesting that the alleged historical examples of ragging listed above are or were a regular occurrence. But I know from many accounts that some really messed up stuff as described in that comment has happened at top NLUs, as well as US and UK universities / fraternities / rugby societies (even if much of it has never been formally complained about because it was just accepted to be part of university culture).

In this case, the comment has resulted in many downvotes and several rebuttals from readers who've claimed to be NLS students and who were unaware of those instances, which provides sufficient perspective to the average reader to clarify that it's not as widespread as that comment is perhaps implying.

No individuals are named in that comment and I don't think this does any damage to the overall reputation of an institution such as NLS (particularly since the comment makes clear that the examples are very much historical, rather than current). However, it could act as a useful reminder that no place is necessarily immune from such behaviour.

Finally, requiring names, phone numbers, email addresses or Facebook profiles to comment is no silver bullet that provides veracity either (see the current discussion around fake news, etc, for one).

However, good arguments and debate (such as yours) around such topics, can certainly be valuable and useful to prospective students.
FU 25 Jul 2018, 17:25
+5 -5
To NLSIU trolls defending NLSIU: As Kian has rightly pointed out, the incidents of ragging did indeed happen. The really bad ones happened in the 90s/early 2000s and students were suspended in a few cases. It's a FACT. I dare you to deny this. Obviously I can't take names, but it's totally true that at least one incident happened where someone with top politics connections was let off while others were punished. Today, the more serious forms of ragging have stopped but there is sexual banter which often takes the shape of humiliating remarks and insults. Why should even such "lighter" forms of ragging happen? Do senior JD students do this at Harvard Law School, whose brand you have self-appropriated by calling yourself "Harvard of the East" (notwithstanding that law schools from Singapore, Hong Kong, China and Japan do well in international rankings and you do not even feature there).
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 01:07
+4 -3
If it's a fact and did happen, pray why can't you take names? It should be a matter of record, no? I doubt you are an NLSIU student or anyone remotely connected with the institution. Latter part of your post clearly reveals your motivation, which is nothing but petty jealousy.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 01:08
+2 -2
Liar spotted!
As a former student of 28 Feb 2019, 14:54
+1 -2
As a former student of NLSIU, I must say people are indulging in shameless bashing here without an iota of truth. Shoes being polished? Juniors paying for seniors? Being stripped? Absolute bull. This is just baseless slander to undermine an institution, just because you couldn't get in. "Bring the leaders down". One post says that we are not ranked high internationally - well we are are the best in the country by a margin and that's an accepted fact. Maybe if you would focus more on your studies or career instead or wasting your time shamelessly sliming an entire institution online, you'd get ahead in life too.