Ahead of tomorrow’s EC meet, NLS students put out wish list of what they’d like of their future VC: Much research, faculty hires, alum outreach

Prof Venkata Rao’s successor should be strong on research and international perspectives, pray students
Prof Venkata Rao’s successor should be strong on research and international perspectives, pray students

NLSIU Bangalore’s Student Bar Association (SBA) has released a statement to express its wishes in the ongoing vice chancellor (VC) selection process.

NLSIU’s Executive Council (EC) is set to meet tomorrow to decide on Prof Venkata Rao’s successor as VC of India’s oldest national law school.

The students have stated they would like their next VC to be, amongst other factors:

  • “well-versed with contemporary international perspectives on legal education”, which would help to attract “motivated and competent faculty members” and leverage its strong alumni network.
  • the new VC should have a strong focus on research, the state of which at NLSIU was currently fairly dire.

The said they’d hope a VC who met those metrics would ensure the law school would avoid complacency causing it to lose the earned “prestigious status of being known as India’s best law school” (as backed up by National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF) rankings prepared by the government).

Full students’ letter below:

We are releasing this statement on behalf of the Student Community at the National Law School of India University (NLSIU), Bangalore. We feel that it is our obligation to express the collective concerns of present students at this point of time since the Executive Council (EC) of NLSIU is scheduled to meet on July 6, 2019 in order to discuss the appointment of the new Vice-Chancellor. We hope that the Hon’ble members representing the Higher Judiciary, Bar Council of India, Bar Council of Karnataka, Government of Karnataka, the NLSIU Faculty and other stakeholders will carefully consider the views expressed below.

We would like to briefly state our aspirations for the future of NLSIU. While our institution has earned the prestigious status of being known as India’s best law school, it is important for us not to become complacent. It is vital to keep pace with reforms undertaken in the legal education sector at a global level so as to emerge as an internationally recognised centre of academic excellence. In order to pursue this goal, we hope that the new Vice Chancellor will be well-versed with contemporary international perspectives on legal education, especially through personal teaching experience and research engagements. These attributes will help in mitigating the difficulties faced by the institution in recent years, especially when it comes to (i) shaping an institutional environment that is conducive for producing high-quality research and (ii) attracting motivated and competent faculty members. Apart from these two core academic functions, the new Vice-Chancellor should be in a position (iii) to leverage the institution’s strong alumni network while also carrying forward its liberal campus culture in addressing the day-to-day problems and anxieties of students. We have attempted to elaborate upon these concerns in the following paragraphs.

(I) Cultivating High-Quality Research

The National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF) published by the Union Ministry of Human Resource Development (HRD) has consistently recognized NLSIU as the best law school in India, after accounting for the relevant criteria in an aggregative manner. However, in the most recently published rankings, NLSIU was ranked Eighth (8th) among Indian Law Schools in the category of ‘Research Productivity & Impact (RPI) with 0 faculty citations and less than 5 research-based publications. None of these publications have appeared in internationally recognised peer-reviewed journals, such as those which are part of the SCOPUS or the ‘Web of Science’ lists. This is the unfortunate reality at a time when several other Indian Law Schools are reporting a much better output on this count. Hence, there is an urgent need for an institutional leader who has first-hand experience in designing and delivering credible research outcomes. The objectives should be to encourage faculty members, research scholars and advanced students to publish articles in internationally recognized peer-reviewed journals apart from contributing chapters and essays to books brought out by the most credible academic and professional publishing houses in the world. This requires many steps, such as attracting external funding for longitudinal research projects, putting into place rigorous processes for research supervision, the frequent hosting of seminars and workshops to enable deeper scholarly discussions as well as constant interactions with practitioners and policy-makers.

The Vice-Chancellor should be able to lead by personal example when it comes to promoting a culture of participating in scholarly discussions and producing thoroughly crafted published writing. This can indeed be done by creating suitable incentives and assessment policies for the teachers and students respectively. The existing Research Centres and Extension Activities at NLSIU need to expand their output and impact by closely involving students enrolled in the taught programmes. It was in recognition of the close relationship between public policy and law that NLSIU launched the Master of Public Policy (MPP) programme in 2014. Thus, the new Vice-Chancellor should have experience with research and networking in both of these fields.

(II) Attracting and Retaining Competent Faculty Members

NLSIU needs to initiate the transition from domestic competition to global excellence, where the traditional pedagogy accounts for the best practices evolved elsewhere. Currently, there are no International faculty members at NLSIU, and only a few of its Professors have acquired the credentials or reputation to be invited to teach at Foreign Universities. The QS World University Rankings, on the lines of other global indexes, values ‘International Faculty Ratio’ and ‘Citations per Faculty’ at a combined 25%. NLSIU fares poorly on both counts. As explained earlier, in order to compete globally, NLSIU needs to satisfy international research standards, which can only be achieved if there is a sizeable pool of faculty members with cross-country experience in teaching, research and clinical education. Thus, the institution requires a Vice-Chancellor who has already demonstrated the ability to recruit faculty members with qualifications from the best known Universities in the world. It would be even more desirable if the individual chosen for this position personally possesses such credentials and is hence closely clued in to transnational academic networks.

The prompt hiring of competent and motivated faculty members is particularly important during the present academic year (2019-2020). At present, NLSIU has only 13 teachers in permanent positions out of the 47 teachers who are delivering courses for the B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) and LL.M. students. A majority of teachers are engaged in temporary positions through annual contracts that can be terminated without assignment of reasons. They have been given different designations such as ‘Ad-Hoc’, ‘Visiting’ and ‘Adjunct’ Professors. While some Senior Professors are continuing with teaching in these roles after their formal retirement (from NLSIU and other Universities), there are as many as 17 relatively younger teachers who are engaged in ‘Ad-Hoc’ positions. Some of them have been serving in such temporary positions for more than 6-7 years. While some of the ‘Ad-Hoc’ teachers have taught well and produced good scholarship, there are also several among them who have consistently failed to meet the student’s expectations. This has led to considerable disengagement on part of the students, even in several compulsory courses. We have arrived at this sorry situation because no teachers have been recruited to permanent positions over the last decade. We fear that if a formal process of recruitment to permanent positions is not conducted soon, NLSIU risks losing the more competent teachers among the pool of ‘Ad-hoc’ faculty. It goes without saying that the present situation where more than 70% of the teachers are in temporary positions also amounts to neglecting the applicable norms laid down by the University Grants Commission (UGC). Hence, there will be a dual onus on the new Vice-Chancellor to attract the best teaching talent that is available from other institutions while also ensuring the retention of the better performing ‘ad-hoc’ faculty members by giving them proper service conditions.

(III) Leveraging Alumni Networks and Engagement with Students

The biggest asset of any educational institution are its students, and in the longer-run its alumni. NLSIU is fortunate to have a close-knit alumni network, with many graduates having distinguished themselves in their respective lines of work. Their mentorship and support towards current students needs to be deepened through structured programmes. To facilitate continuing and meaningful alumni participation in matters such as curriculum reform, skills training, instituting scholarships for students in need and providing assistance with employment opportunities, the new Vice-Chancellor must enjoy close proximity with and have great credibility within the NLSIU alumni community.

At the center of NLSIU’s achievements over the last three decades is its liberal ethos- an across-the-board platform it provides to students to express their opinions and voice their concerns, and the liberty granted to students without constant moral policing. Unarguably, it is this liberty that has contributed to students of NLSIU becoming more involved and free-thinking members of a community. The liberal ethos is best reflected by greater student awareness and participation in addressing issues like Mental Health and Sexual Harassment, made possible by the empathy demonstrated by the administration. In wake of the #MeToo movement, it is integral for the new VC to lead and support the strive towards a gender equal and harassment free campus. The VC should be intolerant towards any identity based discrimination and work towards strengthening the rules and systems prohibiting the same on campus. Thus, the liberal fabric of the NLSIU community must be promoted by the new VC whilst also demonstrating empathy on requisite issues concerning the student body.

Comments

Guest 5 Jul 2019, 13:29
+12 -2
An obvious pressure tactic to get Sudhir. Let's hope it works!
Kabootar 5 Jul 2019, 16:58
+2 -1
Apparently the whole idea is to hijack the EC meeting - if most of their time is spent discussing the proposed fee hike, they may not actually get around to discussing the nominees and VKR gets to keep the seat warm for longer.
Haha 6 Jul 2019, 02:47
+3 -1
If Venkata Rao actually pulls off another (even half) term, he is the wiliest operator in all of legal academia.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 13:31
+5 -2
If NLSIU is ranked 8 in research by NIRF, how is it rank 1 overall? The ranking parameters must be evenly weighted. If that happens, NALSAR or NLUD will be rank 1.
LoL 5 Jul 2019, 14:38
+8 -4
No way NLUD will be. They rigged a lot of data, as did NALSAR. If research alone is the criteria, Jindal has possible shot at top. But sadly, we know the reality of Jindal and even NLUD. Research should actually involved the students in some capacity or be related to courses being taught. Not what happens at Jindal/NLUD where high profile people are given carte blanche to just get published (and paid well) on the college's roll - if that's not rigging, don't know what is. This doesn't happen at IISc/IITs (at least the old, established ones). The professors' research is intimately connected with real (not namesake) courses they teach.

In any case, equality of outcomes is absurd in any ranking. Relative weightage is a legitimate statistical tool, and rightly so. Law School reality - doesn't matter that MPP Pillai never published, he was a damn good corporate law teacher [at least till his final years, from what I hear].
Umm 5 Jul 2019, 19:32
+4 -0
Pray tell how you come up with the conclusion that NALSAR and NLU-D have rigged data?
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 04:03
+1 -5
Spot on. NLUD and NALSAR are superior to NSLIU on merit and do not need to rig. Here is why:

- Placements: At par (but let me be generous and place NSLIU slightly ahead)
- Faculty quality: NLUD and NALSAR waaaay ahead
- Research and publications: NLUD and NALSAR waaaay ahead
- Infrastructure: NLUD and NALSAR waaaay ahead

Thus, overall, NLUD and NALSAR are ahead.

QED.
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 06:54
+2 -0
The faculty quality and research and publications bit have never been objectively determined apart from boasting and PR campaigns and random comments.
LMAO 6 Jul 2019, 14:27
+3 -1
@LOL, you really have no idea about what's happening if you think an average NLS / Nalsar person outstrips 70 NLUD people (per batch). Times have changed, friend. It's really difficult to differentiate between NLS / Nalsar / NLUD students.
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 14:52
+0 -0
@LMAO: You are the one who's replying to a comment by hitting reply to another post, and LOL is the one who needs to get his act checked? He actually visits all those places if I've figured out his identity right. What do you do to get your exclusive latest insight?
LOL 6 Jul 2019, 13:02
+3 -2
I see you didn't mention student-quality. Everything else is still garnish (even if true, which it isn't). NLUD infra is no better than NLS - just newer buildings. It doesn't even look or seem like college campus, but an upscale government office. And where it counts, a library, none other can hold a candle to that of the law school. Faculty quality - Jindal is objectively better; NLUD used to be till 1-2 years ago (now even their so-called top faculty have left or are not actively teaching). Publications, yes - conceded. But faculty publications alone a law school does not make.

Law School still attracts overwhelming majority of top rankers (which naturally means avg quality is better). Please don't reposnd with CLAT rank isn't everything - I know that. But it's indicative. And in any case, no way can NALSAR (which gets 60-120 ranks) be better than law school. Of course, exceptional people will be there everywhere - a top NALSAR grad will probably outstrip a middling Law School grad. But compare rank for rank, NLS will still top out. As for NLUD, remove the top 10 (roughly) from any batch, and the rest do not hold a candle to the average from law school, NALSAR, NUJS etc.

The law of averages still helps, in addition to the fact that top 10 at law school are still well ahead of the pack - toppers from other law school can compete yes, might beat as well. But top 10 averages would still hold law school ahead. This isn't because of much else, other than the fact that potentially better people come to law school (due to preference), and the general student-first approach to everything (co-curriculars, academics etc) rather than admin spoon feeding (at NLUD, let's all be honest) builds a more resilient capable talent pool.

I go for Day Zero recruitment every year and this is clear. We pick NALSAR/NUJS top 15 over someone from Law School (say rank 45), but otherwise, pound for pound, law school is the better bet. And I hear similar things from across firms (and my wife, a NALSAR grad concurs). But bottom feeders at NLS, don't think you can coast. I'd rather go down to NLIU or GNLU and pick top 5 than you. Trust me, there aren't enough jobs around that we are compelled to pick you.
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 14:51
+0 -0
Wait for the 50% domicile reservation bill, buddy. You will lose your arrogance and eat humble pie.
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 15:51
+0 -0
He isn't from NLSIU current batches, he's recruiting from there. How's he going to suffer because of that exactly?
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 13:32
+9 -0
LOL...leaked on purpose to Kian so that the chorus for Sudhir Krishnaswamy increases.
Bogus petition 5 Jul 2019, 13:44
+10 -4
Look at these foolish students. You want global faculty, teachers who publish in international journals, QS ranking standards etc. But you will oppose a modest fee hike. Will the money for all this come from the sky? Do you know that Jindal law school has implemented some of your measures, but their fees is 20 lakhs per year= 1 crore over 5 years???
Past 5 Jul 2019, 14:37
+12 -1
Your comparison to Jindal shows the lack of understanding that this is a government institution and is not for profit. Read the reasons the SBA has opposed the fee hike. Their argument mainly revolves around exclusion and access. Students shouldn’t be the ones bearing the brunt of what is the onus of the government.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 15:14
+6 -0
The only problem is, if government pays that money, it will ask for reciprocity in the form of domicile quota and greater control and UGC rules that will prevent really good work from getting done. It's a catch 22 scenario. Also, JGLS at least is not making profits as such, the student fees so far are entirely routed back into the university itself.
DD 5 Jul 2019, 15:27
+3 -1
You are right. Karnataka govt will indeed ask for domicile quota in exchange for funding. Only option is a centralised IIT-IIM model.
Ah yes 6 Jul 2019, 02:50
+1 -0
True, at every Convocation, GoK offers more funds, new auditorium, more land etc as some sort of carrot, with the stick to follow later.
NALSAR student 6 Jul 2019, 10:51
+1 -0
Which is precisely why NALSAR's fee is amongst the most in law schools, lack of state govt funding support (despite having domicile quota).
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 13:49
+3 -2
Sudhir's appointment is a certainty, so no need to panic and do all this. No one will have the balls to go against KKV , MP Singh and Datar.
Reality Check 5 Jul 2019, 14:32
+5 -0
Not even close to certain. The other 2 have been lobbying to no end. Telling the old faculty that they needn't worry with them because they're not going to upset any apple carts. Sudhir's barely done any lobbying we can see, unless he's reached out to the very supreme top EC members. To be fair to KKV, MP Singh and Datar, they've done all they can. If EC gets taken for a ride be geriatric brigade (including our esteemed foundation of law school who has openly threatened to quit rather than serve under a former student; which I'll believe when I see it, and will eat a hat if said person actually quits), it will be a damn shame. Sudhir is from Karnataka (might curry some favour with the parochial members and GoK members), but who even knows.

Sudhir is NOT A CERTAINTY. I would say 50-50 shot that he makes it.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 13:59
+2 -9
Polite warning to EC: In the event you overlook Sudhir, there will be hell to pay. We will petition the Supreme Court and go on hunger strike.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 15:15
+12 -1
Ghanta!
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 14:09
+4 -1
There is a reason why #MeToo is being brought into this. It is because Shashikala Gurpur has been accused of vindictiveness towards SH whistleblowers.

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/hyd-law-student-files-police-complaint-dean-hostel-eviction-after-me-too-post-90660

https://www.edexlive.com/campus/2018/nov/01/after-being-evicted-for-sexual-harassment-complaints-against-prof-symbiosis-law-students-shocked-by-4327.html
Forecaster 5 Jul 2019, 15:23
+5 -0
Below is the list of EC members and my prediction on who they will vote for. I think Sudhir will make it as the opposing camp vote will be split between Rao and Gurpur. Sudhir may lose if there is match-fixing between Rao and Gurpur supports and a mass vote transfer from one camp to another. However, the SC judges will bat for Sudhir, and their voice carries the most weight.

1 Hon'ble Mr. Justice Arjan Kumar Sikri, Judge, Supreme Court of India: Sudhir

2 Hon'ble Mr.Justice U U Lalit, Judge, Supreme Court of India: Sudhir

3 Hon'ble Mr. Justice Dhananjaya Y. Chandrachud, Judge, Supreme Court of India: Sudhir

4 Hon'ble Dr. Justice Shivaraj V Patil, Former Judge, Supreme Court of India: Sudhir

5 Shri. Manan Kumar Mishra, Senior Advocate, Chairman, Bar Council of India: Gurpur

6 Shri. Debi Prasad Dhal, Advocate, Co-Chairman, Bar Council of India: Gurpur

7 Shri. Vijay Bhatt, Advocate, Managing Trustee, Bar Council of India Trust: Gurpur

8 Shri. Apurba Kumar Sharma, Senior Advocate, Chairman, Executive Committee, Bar Council of India: Gurpur

9 Shri. Pratap Mehta , Advocate, Associate Managing Trustee, Bar Council of India: Gurpur

10 Shri. Y. R. Sadasiva Reddy , Member, Bar Council of India: Gurpur

11 Shri. Uday Holla, Advocate General, Karnataka: Sudhir

12 Dr.N Nagambika Devi, IAS , Principal Secretary to Government of Karnataka, Higher Education: Sudhir

13 Shri. N.C. Srinivasa , Law Secretary, Government of Karnataka: Sudhir

14 Prof. (Dr.) R. Venkata Rao, Vice Chancellor, NLSIU: No vote

15 Prof. (Dr.) V.S. Elizabeth Professor of History, NLSIU: Rao

16 Prof. (Dr.) O.V. Nandimath, Professor of Law & Registrar, NLSIU: Rao

17 Prof. (Dr.) Ashok R. Patil , Professor of Law, NLSIU : Rao

18. Dr.Nagarathna A , Associate Professor, NLSIU : Rao

Votes for Sudhir: 7
Votes for Gurpur: 6
Rao: 4
How legit? 5 Jul 2019, 15:53
+2 -0
According the list of EC members that I have (per the agenda for tomorrow's meeting), there's 20 of them, not 18.
And different names:

Hon'ble Mr.Justice U U Lalit
Hon'ble Mr. Justice Dhananjaya Y. Chandrachud
Hon'ble Mr. Justice Mohan M. Shantanagoudar
(Special Invitee)
Hon'ble Mr. Justice S. Abdul Nazeer
(Special Invitee)
Hon'ble Mr. Justice Deepak Gupta
(Special Invitee)
Hon'ble Mr. Justice V Gopala Gowda
Shri. Manan Kumar Mishra
Shri. Debi Prasad Dhal
Shri. Vijay Bhatt
Shri. Apurba Kumar Sharma
Shri.Dinesh Pathak
Shri. Y. R. Sadasiva Reddy
Shri.K B Naik
Shri B H Anil Kumar, IAS
Shri. S B Vastramath
Prof. (Dr.) R. Venkata Rao
Prof. (Dr.) V.S. Elizabeth
Prof. (Dr.)O.V. Nandimath
Prof. (Dr.) Ashok R. Patil
Dr. Nagarathna A

No idea how this is going to work, because to the best of my knowledge, Rao (NLUO VC) is likelier to get BCI backing (Manan Mishra is from Odisha), than Gurpur. Further, is it really going to be a Night's Watch style election? I think there would be a discussion (where the SC judges might be able to set the tenor) rather than force a vote. And in that case, highly doubt BCI guys opposing SC judges (if they favour Sudhir to begin with, that is).

Having been taught by Nagarathana, and Patil, I can't imagine them opposing Sudhir (if the SC judges make their preference clear). But who knows, maybe Nandi will go hammer and tonks at it to avoid Sudhir and settle for the devils he knows.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 16:53
+3 -0
Manan Mishra is from Bihar not Odisha!!! He is a pukka Bihari. Our law minister is also from Bihar.
Huh? 6 Jul 2019, 02:51
+1 -2
Manan is from Odisha, to the best of my knowledge. @kian can probably confirm, since his run-ins with the BCI.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 16:14
+1 -0
What makes you think all the SC judges would actually turn up for the EC meeting? That happens rarely, as everybody who's read minutes of past meetings is aware of.
Reality Check 6 Jul 2019, 02:53
+1 -0
Yes indeed. Seriously doubt all of them will even bother to show up, but that applies to random BCI chaps as well, one hopes. In any case, can confirm that these are the 20 who are on the agenda, whether they come or no.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 15:34
+1 -6
Sudhir will serve as VC for two terms, then spend a few years at a top law school abroad, then serve on the Law Commission, and by the time he hits 60 lobby for elevation to the SC as an eminent jurist.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 15:59
+5 -0
[quote]Thus, the institution requires a Vice-Chancellor who has already demonstrated the ability to recruit faculty members with qualifications from the best known Universities in the world. It would be even more desirable if the individual chosen for this position personally possesses such credentials and is hence closely clued in to transnational academic networks.[/quote]

Could your lobbying for You Know Who be any more obvious? Did the person even dictate the letter to you?
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 17:21
+3 -1
This move by the SBA may actually backfire. The old beans at the EC won't like this pressure tactics at all and hence may even vote to ensure that the candidate whom the SBA obviously supports doesn't make it through.
CurrentStu 6 Jul 2019, 02:55
+7 -0
It would be hilarious if law school does end up with Sudhir, and the SBA gets more than they bargained for. Seriously doubt he will indulge mass shortage condonation, special repeats on the house, revaluation ad nauseum, and general "yes permitted" culture. Let's see the SBA then.
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 06:56
+2 -0
Exactly! And as the trend goes across all law schools, that's what majority of students want, regardless of faculty quality.
Guest 5 Jul 2019, 17:29
+0 -3
Some NLUs are secretly hoping Sudhir doesn't make it. This will prevent NLSIU from drastically increasing its lead over other NLUs and could also lead to Sudhir joining another NLU as VC (possibly NLUD).
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 02:20
+0 -2
Highly placed sources are saying Sudhir's appointment is a done deal, so we can uncork the champagne!
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 02:35
+5 -1
Each and every NLU is run by a coterie of insecure non-NLU profs. They perceive NLU alumni as "oversmart" and hate them with a vengeance. They do their best to ensure NLU alumni either do not get teaching positions, or get bad work conditions and face bullying. As a result, a bunch have joined Jindal and a few have joined IIT Delhi, IIM Bangalore, Azim Premji etc.
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 05:22
+3 -1
@Kian, do consider doing a story about NLU /foreign degree holders who are in academia in India - what got them here, what is their vision, what is needed in these institutions to raise them to global standards, what challenges they face, why so many of them quit, etc. We can crowd think who all you should reach out to in comments. You have previously reported that there is a leadership and quality faculty crisis looming in NLUs. A story like this will help in figuring out what needs to change if the quality of instruction in NLUs has to be improved. And yes, NLU/foreign LLM does not equal good teacher, but exposure to the best universities does mean that such people have some insights that might be useful.
Chacko 7 Jul 2019, 06:01
+1 -0
Friend, Kian will never do such a story because it is useful, constructive, requires research and does not involve gossip.
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 06:06
+0 -0
This is a pretty decent idea, I must say.
Dr Doom 7 Jul 2019, 08:44
+0 -2
Kian, in case u are following up on the suggestion by guest 13.1, your starting point should be people from the top 3 NLUs who are also teaching in the top 3 NLUs. Some people to interview could be:

- Prof Anup Surendranath, NLUD (NLSIU alum)
- Prof Aparna Chandra, NLUD (NLSIU alum)
- Prof Mrinal Satish, NLUD (NLSIU alum)
- Prof Chinamyi Arun, NLUD (NALSAR alum)
- Prof Siddharth Chauhan, NALSAR (NLSIU alum)

Others are free to add more names from the top 3 (NLSIU, NALSAR, NLUD).
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 10:22
+2 -0
I don't think this should be limited to the top 3, by whatever metric determined. But perhaps limited to those teaching in public universities. I can think of Rahul Singh (NLS, Harvard, Oxford), Sarasu Thomas (NLS), Kunal Ambast (NLS, Berkeley), Nigam (NLS, Oxford) teaching at NLS. Arul George from Max Planck at NLUD.
And isn't Anup Surendranath from NALSAR?
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 11:05
+4 -3
Prof. Sameek Sen, Prof. Saurabh Bhattacharya, Prof. Agnideepto Tarafdar, Prof. Souvik Guha, Prof. Mahesh Menon, Prof. Paramita Dasgupta, Prof. Ruchika Ghose, Prof. Anuradha Ghose. All teaching at NUJS. Five are from NUJS itself, one from NALSAR, one from NUALS, one from KCL (graduate degrees). Prof. Kumarjit Ray, who just left NUJS (also an NUJS graduate)
Dr Doom 7 Jul 2019, 11:36
+1 -6
NUJS profs not counted as:

- We are looking at alumni of the top 3 NLUs teaching in the top 3 NLUs
- only alumni with foreign degrees are being considered so that they can compare their experiences in India and abroad
- guest lecturers are not counted.
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 12:18
+5 -1
Who are we? Anybody who goes by NIRF data alone to actually learn about law schools is a grade one idiot of the first order, as you seem to be. None of that data is verified, which is why two of the places you mentioned had been caught furnishing false data year before last.
Foreign degrees are at the most one of the pointers to be considered. Most of the foreign universities will give you an LLM degree these days if you can pay their fees. That doesn't make you a good teacher nor a good researcher. In any case, some of the people mentioned re NUJS have such degrees too. And having met them and knowing every other person whom you mentioned and most other faculty at NLSIU, NALSAR and NLUD personally, I can assure that at least 5 of the 7 can compete with any faculty that any NLU has at present in terms of capability.
Only 2 of the 7 mentioned are actually contractual people. They too have the same workload as permanent ones, so aside from your senseless and unqualified prejudice, they are equally capable of contributing to the study.
Finally, your only qualification is being an anon troll. With that, don't try offering baseless criticism against people who are actually doing good work and don't believe yourself capable of judging them. Your lack of research skills is also evident from trying to pass off teachers who no longer teach to belong to an institution.
TSB 9 Jul 2019, 13:34
+5 -8
Dude, this list proves just how shallow NUJS's faculty is compared to NALSAR / NLUD. Having studied under all the "professors" you named I can say with confidence that only 3 of them should be allowed to teach at an NLU.
Guest 9 Jul 2019, 15:35
+7 -6
If you have studied under three of the people from NUJS, for all of whom it is their first job, then you couldn't possibly have studied under the faculty of NALSAR or NLUD. How exactly are you making this comparative analysis? As it is, the people at NLUD who have been named here have mostly left NLUD or don't teach there. Not that this means there are no good faculty left at NLUD. In either case, your anonymous scathing negative remarks aimed at people who can't possibly rebut only go to show that your education leaves a lot to be desired. Now if you want to claim that's the fault of your faculty too, that's a separate argument altogether.
TSB 9 Jul 2019, 16:52
+5 -6
Dude, you crack me up. Where are you getting this rubbish about first job from? My comment was that only 3 of those names are good teachers. Therefore all this BigTalk about NUJS having good faculty comparable to NLUD or Harvard or Yale is just rubbish.
Guest 10 Jul 2019, 01:41
+6 -4
Dude, your sense of logic is as pathetic as your efforts to demean others. If an NUJS faculty is teaching there as his first job, then he couldn't have taught elsewhere before that, like say NLUD. Which means you couldn't have been taught by them and by NLUD teachers both so as to have any valid ground for comparison. Clearly you lack the logic to discern that, which makes one wonder how you are even a law grad, let alone an NLU grad. As for your judgement about who is a good teacher, anon trolls' disparagement isn't worth anything. Just like your opinion isn't.
TSB 10 Jul 2019, 09:22
+4 -7
Why so much love? I suggest you read what I wrote real slow, get a senior to paraphrase it for you. There's nothing I said about first job or second job. I said ,(take deep breath) only 3 of those "professors" are fit to teach at an NLU. The rest are not (maybe they are good people, or good moms but definitely not good teachers). I have taken courses taught by all of them except agnidipto (who was a teaching assistant in one course then) so I think I know what I am talking about.
Guest 10 Jul 2019, 12:22
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Actually, you are the one who should check your words for consistency. Maybe you have grown unaccustomed to your senior or partner not checking your work multiple times. You originally compared NUJS faculty with NALSAR and NLUD faculty. I said you can't be in a position to compare since you couldn't have been taught by these people AS WELL AS faculty from those places since these people have taught only at NUJS and nowhere else. So unless you've got multiple degrees from several NLUs, you don't have locus for comparison. Your comment about the quality of teaching is a separate one that I've responded to separately. If you are still not getting this, you probably shouldn't be allowed to advise clients.
TSB 10 Jul 2019, 15:35
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Haha, good try. That's why you should read multiple times (more if you have comprehension trouble). I said that the list of the 7 names mentioned proved how shallow NUJS' so called NLU alum faculty is. I haven''t even mentioned first or second job which appears only in your angry reply (guilty complex eh?). I hope you will not say that I wrote it in invisible ink ;)

Once again, for the benefit of people who clearly have a difficulty in simple written English, only 3 of the 7 "professors" at NUJS should be allowed to continue teaching. Ironically none of those 3 are NUJS alumni.
NUJS Alum 11 Jul 2019, 00:54
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@TSB: You have your own opinion. Nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make it necessarily true either. I too have studied under all seven of these teachers and quite recently. I consider at least three of them quite good, one above average and one exceptional.
Bystander 11 Jul 2019, 13:27
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Is it practically possible you studied under all of them? How it can be?
NUJS Alum 11 Jul 2019, 15:31
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@Bystander: Consti 1 & 2, Corp 1, Labour 1, LIMP, Privacy, M&A, Competition & IP, Clinic 1, IP IT & HR. That covers all of them I believe.
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 12:39
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Both Anup and SidChau are from NALSAR. The only thing that's doomed here is Dr. Doom's research skill.
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 12:40
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Sorry, my mistake. Anup is from NALSAR and SidChau is teaching at NALSAR now (he's actually from NLS).
LLM? 31 Jul 2019, 03:27
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Arul Scaria is Nalsar LLM. Should include Sophie Joseph (Nalsar LLM) and Daniel Mathew (Nalsar LLM) in that case.
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 11:01
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Neither Chinmayi nor Mrinal is teaching at NLUD any more. Aparna doesn't teach there either from what I am aware of, though she may have research responsibilities. And as mentioned by another person, Siddharth is from NALSAR. Also, Dr. Doom seem to be thinking in the same lines as those many NLUD trolls, who keep trying to put NLUD in whatever list is there regardless of the actual veracity of data collected. NLUD should actually join CLAT and then claim the top 3 position, without which there's not much use making claims. In any case, there's very little to choose between the average students of NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS or NLUD. I may even say most NLUJ students. The best is to include all NLU grads teaching at all Indian universities at present (public and private).
Dr Doom 7 Jul 2019, 11:40
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It's called NIRF my friend, and and is the official government ranking that is recognised by all (unlike India Today and Outlook, which ranks you 2 as others pulled out).
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 12:22
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What makes you think I'm from NUJS? You are as inept as your namesake villain is in terms of logic. NIRF and government data, LOL! Everybody who can observe without blinkers knows that data is never verified. It's the graduate quality that tells universities apart, nothing else, regardless of all your boasts. I'm fairly sure you aren't actually from any of the 3 NLUs you mentioned, people from there have much better sense and acumen.
13.1 again 7 Jul 2019, 13:37
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Why does everything become a dick measuring contest amongst law schools in the LI comments section? My simple point was all law schools would benefit if people who had exposure to the best law schools here as well as abroad (both as students and as teachers) could talk about their perspectives on improving legal education in India. It is also concerning that very few such people stick around in public universities. The NUJS exodus that happened after MP Singh, the movement that happened at NLUJ after Mathur, the ongoing faculty churning at NLUD, and very crucially this seemingly botched Sudhir appointment - all point to some deeper issues with the working of these schools. Let's find out why, so everyone can benefit. I would restrict the list of colleges covered to public universities only because the issues are likely to be very different between public and pvt institutions. One could start with public universities and then move on to pvt ones.

@NLUD troll - Everyone knows how many NLU grad faculty you actually have, how many have left, or are in the process of leaving. It is a small world and people talk. So please can you give it a rest and let us think about the legal education scene as a whole?
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 16:42
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@13.1: Spot on, mate! I'm actually quite interested about this idea of yours. If only there was some way of connecting outside LI in the real world so that we could actually brainstorm about this. Are you in a position to help taking this project forward or collaborate in this matter? Because even if it doesn't achieve all of its intended goals, these people's thoughts and experiences may end up inspiring some law students to join academia and help transform the NLUs and other places for the better from within. I'd see that as a definite win.
Someone else 7 Jul 2019, 17:55
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While LI doesn't care about the issue of faculty, you could consider approaching Bar & Bench or a site popular with CLAT aspirants, like Lawctopus. CLAT aspirants will be a good target audience for this study. They are interested in knowing which college has good faculty but are misled by coaching centres. An article like this could get 50,000 reads from CLAT aspirants alone.
Darkseid 7 Jul 2019, 12:48
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The first NLUD batch graduated in 2013 I think. Any idea about any of their alumni who is actually teaching anywhere, India or abroad? I'd have thought given their faculty's focus on research etc., several of them would be quite keen on joining academics themselves after doing their masters. Kian, any news about any NLUD alum teaching at any of the NLUs at present? I think the alumni from NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS had started joining academia within a decade of those NLUs getting established (though not sure about NLSIU, since it was founded lot earlier than the others), so should be similar for NLUD too probably. Might be an interesting study to figure out the variables involved if it's found that such is not happening there. NLUD grads are doing pretty decently in UPSC and Judiciary I believe and as much as can be expected in terms of law firms etc. for a law school having a much smaller alum base. What's the scene with academia then?
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 04:04
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Informal votes taken before the meeting...Sudhir is winning!! Woohoo!!
Guest 7 Jul 2019, 11:06
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Quorum nahin hua kya?
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 04:07
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All NLUs must jointly draft a statement and make the same three demands, i.e. more research, better faculty and alum outreach.
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 04:14
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Kian, you can prepare your headline: [b]History made as NLSIU appoints first alum VC Sudhir Krishnaswamy; Fundraising, research, internationalisation top priorities [/b]
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 14:20
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And that's why Kian doesn't listen to you for his headlines. All the adulation about Sudhir's selection being a done deal is just something to be LOL-ed at, given how the meeting went today. It's obvious lobbying is going on now. Sudhir may still get selected, but it won't be as straightforward as so many people think it is.
Guest 6 Jul 2019, 04:26
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Guest 6 Jul 2019, 07:01
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Says the person who's never managed to survive in any NLU for long and is currently teaching at South Asian University. No reflection on his scholarship or teaching ability, he's quite amazing on both counts. But he can't work with people unless they see it exactly the way he does. Now this is fine when you are working at an efficient and professional workplace, but not when you are trying to actually improve an institution from within. Shamnad, Prabhash all are excellent academics and scholars and even visionaries, but that's why they can and should do better in terms of management skills if they are to serve our institutions to the best extent of ability.
Nothingnew 12 Jul 2019, 04:34
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Agree with much. But it reveals an obvious point: research skills and admin skills are separate. very rarely does a person have both. Shouldnt throw around the word visionary lightly - he is an assistant professor with a book. Hardly makes someone a visionary. Overall, I still think NLUs' deliverance will come through the younger lot. Unfortunately, the small group who are could administer properly in my view are all abroad and have a 0% chance of returning: Umakanth V, Shubhankar Dam, Shyam Balganesh and the lot
Guest 12 Jul 2019, 05:39
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As someone who was a junior to Subhankar in law school, trust me, he's done a lot of good things over the years, very good natural teaching ability, superb scholar and researcher, even genius level intellect arguably, but I doubt even he himself would claim to have much in the way of admin skills. No bad reflection on him, he is a natural academic. Umakanth, definitely. I don't know Shyam personally, so cannot comment.
Stillnothingnew 12 Jul 2019, 11:43
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Dam was offered the deanship of a credible private university in the NCR planning to start a law school. He declined. They must have thought he was qualified. From what I see, the law school hasnt taken off yet.
Guest 12 Jul 2019, 12:15
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"credible" private university? If it is the one I have in mind (Munjal) that is not well regarded and would be too minor for Dam. Please clarify if you meant anothe one. Even if you do, the only private law school Deanship suitable for Dam's stature is the Deanship of Jindal or the proposed Jio Institute Law School, following which he can head to a top NLU.
Stillnothingnew 12 Jul 2019, 12:56
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This is from one of his Indian law student RAs. Offered at SNU. Dont know anything about Munjal
Guest 12 Jul 2019, 13:05
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Top NLU positions these days come with so many strings attached and resource crunch that any academic coming back from abroad may actually prefer a private university like Jindal over them.
Nujsian 15 Jul 2019, 05:42
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I was one of Professor Dam's junior at NUJS and certainly think he would be a great leader for the law school. A current student tells me he was on campus just 2 weeks back and students were mighty impressed with him. If there are students who had him in class, can someone enlighten us how the interaction went?
Guest 15 Jul 2019, 10:06
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Students are very impressed with credentials etc. But when he comes down and actually expect standard effort from the students, that's when the honeymoon ends.
2nd year 15 Jul 2019, 18:58
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we had a discussion on article 123 of Constitution(ordinance), before it he shared his experience at nujs, asked about our experience at nujs in past one year and he gave some valueable tips. It was great to meet and interact with him.
Stillnothingnew 12 Jul 2019, 13:08
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Source: One of Shubhankar Dam's Indian law student RAs. He was offered at SNU. The law school there doesnt seem to have commenced.
Guest 19 Jul 2019, 19:10
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Latest gossip is that Sudhir is a certainty. SC judges, lawyers and other bigwigs are backing him.
Just in 23 Jul 2019, 08:18
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NLSIU VC decision further postponed. Nagraj to be interim VC and fee hike not to be rolled back.
Guest 23 Jul 2019, 10:58
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But...but, wasn't Sudhir a certainty? Most anonymous trolls in the LI comments section said as much, so it must have been true!
Guest 23 Jul 2019, 18:20
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The BJP will not like Sudhir, so if the new Karnataka govt has a say then Rao or Gurpur (who is also the only Kannada in the list) may make it. Or the position could even be readvertised with a 65 age limit.
Guest 23 Jul 2019, 18:59
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Kian please update!
Guest 24 Jul 2019, 07:00
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LI, B&B and Livelaw have all failed to get any scoops on the VC election, as the process has been very secretive and no leaks to the media have been permitted.