A bit rich of you to diss Elphinstone. They are just like GLC: glorious past and great alumni, but a shithole now. Academic standards non-existent, research culture non-existent, teaching quality poor, and "students" who do not attend class but intern for 5 years.

Guest 1.1 should wash us Bombayites feet.

We Bombayites pay a disproportionate sum in taxes. All other national institutes can't function without our cash. On top of that we fund state institutes. Without us this nation would crumble in a week. A fortnight at most.

This is the city where the metre means something. Where touts don't rule the roost. Thus jugaad doesn't exist here. Pay the specified price and you can get most things done. No toadying around.

In fact we've been top tax payers since Moses wore short pants.



And then these filthy outsiders have the gall to call our colleges shitholes. Trump has given every fool in the land licence to run his mouth.

They should stay in the regions then and eke out a miserable existence . Bloody dehatees.

We can hire a bunch of foreigners from the Commonwealth for half price to drive our taxis, and be our peons. Stay where you are if you think there are shitholes in Bombay. We don't need your kind.



PS - Mate I'm sure girls hate Bombay. I mean they can walk around without getting raped molested or catcalled needlessly.

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since the best ones are in states which are net contributors to the centre. 

Bombay leads in income tax collection. Maharashtra (whose most integral part is Bombay) subsidises other states. So yeah I stand by my remark that Bombay disproportionately pays for most Indians' education.

Source -


indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/maharashtra-gets-only-5-5-per-cent-share-of-central-taxes-2988095/


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Your only grouse seems to be that folks from outside Bombay shouldn't speak the truth about a Bombay institution. 

The poster went full Trump and called Elphinstone a "Sithole". I watch Ravish Kumar's segment and I'd never call the dilapidated underfunded colleges he covers as " shitholes". You may tolerate such language. Others like I don't. What exactly are the qualities that define shithole ?

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generated by companies owned and run by outsiders not by local fishermen and dabbawalas.

Welcome to the globalised world. Did I say that businesses are owned by Bombayites ? Did city however has been one where trade prospered from cotton to opium.

This has always been a city of migrants. From the great Sir Jamsetjee Jeejjebhoy to David Sassoon. You do know that fisherman aren't the only natives ? Families have lived on this island since before the mutiny.

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These enormous taxes that gives Bombay immunity in your ridiculous worldview

Never said that. However shithole ain't criticism. It's a vulgar term best relegated to the likes of Trump.

Bombay by the way accounts for a third of the income tax collected. I wonder why companies and people flock here instead of the Shangri La that is the rest of India ?


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So spare the rest of us your jingoism and go get a real education, preferably in a real college outside Bombay.

Predictable. So I guess all those poor souls in Bombay are just fakin it huh ? Yet we manage to pay for your "real education".

This is India. Education is dismal all around.

Apart from a handful of one hit pony/specialised institutes there is not a single university (a place that offers arts, science and technical education at undergrad and post grad) that's worthy. And we are the second most populous nation.

Source -

m.businesstoday.in/story/no-indian-university-in-top-100-iit-bombay-ranked-162-qs-world-university-ranking-2019/1/278737.html

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Did city however has been one where trade prospered from cotton to opium.

* This not did.

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Apart from a handful of one hit pony

One trick pony.

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since the best ones are in states which are net contributors to the centre

The closest we have to "best" are IIT Bombay, Delhi and IISC. And even then the word best is being used rather loosely.

ALL IITs IIMS and NITs educate just 3% of students.

Source -

theprint.in/governance/iits-iims-nits-have-just-3-of-total-students-but-get-50-of-government-funds/89976/


Along with IIT Bombay, IIT Delhi and IISC the top unis in QS World University Ranking 2019
are -

Indian universities included in the top 300 list are Indian Institute of Technology Madras (IIT-M), which was ranked 264, IIT-Kanpur (283), and IIT-Kharagpur (295). IIT-Roorkee was ranked 381, while IIT-Guwahati was able to secure 472nd place.


indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/maharashtra-gets-only-5-5-per-cent-share-of-central-taxes-2988095/

Kanpur is in UP which gets a lot more money than what it contributes. Same with Kharagpur in West Bengal.

Assam too {IIT Guhwati}. Source -

www.prsindia.org/administrator/uploads/general/1521201654~~Assam%20Budget%20Analysis%2018-19.pdf

To quote the report -

"The total revenue receipts for 2018-19 are estimated to be Rs 74,119 crore, Of this, Rs 25,643 crore (35% of the revenue receipts)will be raised by the state through its own resources, and Rs 48,476 crore (65% of the revenue receipts) will be devolved by the centre in the form of grants and the state’s share in taxes".

Read the 2016-2017 Actuals in which less than 17,000 crore was contributed by the state whilst 20,000 crores was received in Central taxes and 12,598 crores in grants from the centre.

Even Uttarakhand's {IIT Roorkee} share in Central Taxes is rising. Central tax revenue was 28.3% in 2001/02 and as of 2011/12 it's share increased to 33.8%. A 5.5% increase. Can't find any English/bilingual sources for recent budgets.


So the three arguably "best" unis in India are in three rich places. The most recognisable educate 3% of students. Not the best by the way which are just a few IIts lingering in lower rungs of the top 200 to top 500.

The rest that make it on the QS rankings are funded mostly by Central taxes { West Bengal and UP}. And Uttarakhand's dependency on Central funds is increasing precariously. Delhi of course is the state capital so that's a given.

All that matters is money in India sadly. That's why everyone wants to be an engineer or an IAS wallah to loot. Don't kid yourself. Our academics are pathetic. All we Indians want is a shiny piece of paper. Placements are the only thing that matter for the most part.


Pray tell which great uni do you hail from ? Or don't, however at least research a bit.

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Sample the following: 
"wash us Bombayites feet"; 
"filthy outsiders"; 
" every fool in the land"; 
"should stay in the regions then and eke out a miserable existence"; 
"Bloody dehatees"; and
"half price to drive our taxis, and be our peons".

Is this the new low for LI, or do you actually promote this to boost number of hits?

The comment I replied to said " shitholes". You seem to take no umbrage to that.



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Mumbai is not the best in many ways, and while pride is one thing, the city miserably needs improvement.

I agree it needs massive improvement. Yet compared to other cities in India for its size Bombay is amazing by far. We can't control migration that's the reason why the city is so dirty and crowded. And housing is so expensive.


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With respect to taxes, it is a common misconception that Mumbai pays taxes. The companies who have their registered office in Mumbai sell their goods and services all over the country and make money, and pay taxes out of that profit. I

And why do companies come here ? Must be something that attracts them. We have been at the forefront of commerce since before the mutiny. Also Bombay region leads in income tax collection.


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It is not that people of Mumbai buy all the goods and services resulting in the profit. 

Maybe you ought to read about how economics works. There is this thing called trade and free markets. That's how the modern world works. Places offer services and goods. We are not in the mediaeval era anymore. We don't operate on susbsitence levels.


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Please also note that most of those companies are filled with "outsiders", who run the show, and you would be hard pressed to find "locals".

Define a local. Are the parsis local ? The sindhis who came over in the 40s and are at least 2 generation old ? The gujus and mardwadis who came over during the British era ? The pathans, bohras, Khojas and memons who migrated during the British era ? The Anglo Indians ? The south Indians, goan Christians and other Christians from konakan region who've lived here almost as long as the Sindhis and gujjus ?

These people mentioned above have no " native place".

They may have ancestral links of course but at least 2 generations have been born in Bombay.

And they're doing fine aren't they by and large ?

Most of the above mentioned communities have lived in Bombay longer then Thackerays and Maharastrians !

Yet it's due to Marathis that Bombay hasn't infested into a rape filled dystopian hell hole. Or an uber conservative boring city. Our alcohol tax is high not because of puritanical leaning but because the State Govts receive so much money.

We may have Marathi signboards but they're next to English ones.

You do know that law and order is needed right for a city ? Guess who provides that ? Along with efficient management at mid level ? Walk into Saifee a Muslim hospital and it's staffed by Marathis because they're great administrators.

All these people are locals. We could stop migration now and Bombayites will pull together. We've survived terror attacks. We went to work as soon as we could. We didn't sit around crying and asking the govt to help us.



The outsiders are those who refuse to integrate and boast about how back home it's all peaches and cream.

Bombay's always been open to non natives.


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(PS: I was born and brought up in Mumbai, and I live here!)

As if that adds any weight to your argument.

Tata - Bombay House built during the British Era. Previous Tatas educated in Bombay. So I guess they're Bombayites now.

Birla - Mardwadis who made their fortune in divers places including Calcutta and now seated in Bombay for a while. I wonder why they left Calcutta ?

Godrej - Founded by a Parsi from Bombay.

Wadia group - Started by building a dry dock in Bombay. Been living in Bombay for a fair while.

Pallonji Group - Started in Bombay. Main head is a tax exile.

Essar Group - Founded in Bombay. Newcomers. Ruias for some reason live in Bombay. Don't have any plans to move out.

Reliance - Got it's start in Bombay. The bros are bombayites and so are their children. Newcomers yet they're not gonna leave Bombay anytime soon. Not proud of them but what're you gonna do ?

HDFC - Founded in Bombay by a man who was raised here.

HDFC Bank - Founded in Bombay.

RBI - Central office moved to Bombay in 1937.

SBI - Amalgamation of Bombay Madras and Calcutta banks. HQ in Bombay for some reason.


These are but the biggies.

All these companies either began in Bombay, made their fortunes when they relocated to Bombay or through Bombay's docks, were started by people who ages ago migrated to Bombay, started by those born and/or raised/schooled in Bombay or are run by people who live in Bombay and have no plans in the near future of leaving the city.



In case of the two banks HQs shifted long back to Bombay for some reason.

You should know that historically the Original side of the Bombay HC made Bombay very attractive to Companies who could look forward to competent dispute resolution.

Source -

archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.83305

Read Pg 30. The original side wasn't abolished.

Later on solicitors were abolished as an obligation yet most Original side work is bifurcated.

Until the NCLT Bombay HC's original side was one of the best courts for commercial cases.

Income Tax appeals are also heard at the Bombay HC.

SEBI was established in Bombay.

The oldest stock exchange and the premier one in India was founded in Bombay by a man who moved to Bombay as a child and was educated in Bombay.

Its precursors were stock traders meeting under trees.


The reason I mention all this is, that Bombay has conspicuously been identified with trade and commerce. And it has institutions that promote it.

Unlike other parts of India people don't have an hostile outlook towards business. Bombay has always welcomed business and provided services.

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Mumbai is not the best in many ways, 

Let's see Bombay's crime rate shall we ?

www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-mumbai-top-rape-cases-conviction-rate-poor/article2574638.ece

Bombay had 194 rape cases to Delhi's 414.

Delhi's the most dangerous metropolis.


In fact if adjusted by population Jabalpur, Bhopal, Faridabad,Visakhapatnam and Indore are worse. Lovely cities huh ?

Remember migrants abound in Bombay. I'm not saying locals don't commit crime but a healthy proportion of Bombay's rapes are committed by immigrants. Even then per population wise Bombay's safer.


m.economictimes.com/crime-capital-delhi-reports-40-pc-of-rape-cases-in-19-cities/articleshow/61867820.cms

According to the above -

Delhi reported 33 % (13,803 cases of 41,761) of crimes against women last year. Bombay followed at a distant second with 12.3 % (5,128 cases).


Delhi reported 38.8 % of the total number of crimes under the Indian Penal Code, followed by Bangalore (8.9 %) and Bombay 7.7 %.

Wow so Bombay's third. Huh.

Delhi reported the highest number of murders with 479 out of the total 2,194 cases (21.8 %), followed by Bangalore with 229 cases (10.4 %) and Patna with 195 cases (8.9 %).

Bombay's not even in the top 3 for murder. Huh.



Delhi reported the maximum number of cases under economic offences 5,942 cases (19.3 %), followed by Jaipur (4,742 cases, 15.4 %) and Bombay (4,191 cases, 13.6 %).

So let's see -

Fewer rapes overall by far than Delhi and much safer then other cities if adjusted by population.

Third when overall crimes are concerned. 1% fewer crimes than Bangalore.

Not in the top 3 for murder.

Third for economic offences. Almost 600 fewer cases.

All this whilst sustaining a herculean migrant population (people who work here send money back home). Something I don't think Patna, Jabalpur or Jaipur deal with.

So yeah Bombay's a real hell hole. Maybe you should leave for Patna or Jabalpur.

If you prefer a large city maybe recommend Delhi or Bangalore ?

This doesn't mean Bombay's beyond reproach. However India ain't a pleasant place and for a large city,

Bombay's the best. Much improvement is needed. No doubt.

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It is not that people of Mumbai buy all the goods and services resulting in the profit.

By that logic I guess we should've never liberalised the market. Why trade with outsiders ? There's no difference between world economies. Since companies sell goods to everyone and provide services world over, I guess every country is rich. Not the places where tax is paid.

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Please also note that most of those companies are filled with "outsiders", who run the show,

They come here and settle down because compared to other cities there is lower crime and the govt is business friendly and due to investments done since the British Era. Why do so many people live here ? Our income tax collection is higher than everyone else.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/income-tax-collection-grows-at-26-2-mumbai-zone-registers-138-increase/articleshow/59180629.cms

For a city with max 2 crores population 33% of income tax comes from the Bombay region. Wonder why ? If this city is that bad why oh why do people come hear by the thousands ?

That's right. And those alumni became billionaires because of the education they received at MU. And here we were, the rest of mankind, thinking billionaire kids went to MU because they were too dumb to get into good under graduate courses elsewhere on merit or too lazy to move away from their Gujju homes.

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too dumb to get into good under graduate courses elsewhere on merit 

Pray tell me what are the great unis of India ? Not one uni India has been ranked in the top 100. In fact IIT Bombay is ranked 162.

Merit ? Reservations, parents in UP blatantly cheating which results in people people confusing poli sci with home science and a system based on rote learning wherein you need 98.5% to read for ENGLISH LITERATURE (not classics or Sanskrit) at DU. If only the rest of the world adopted our high standards.

Source -

m.businesstoday.in/story/no-indian-university-in-top-100-iit-bombay-ranked-162-qs-world-university-ranking-2019/1/278737.html

Education is rubbish in India. Those who can afford it go abroad for an actual education. Other then that education in Indian unis is bad quality.

All that matters is the degree that's it. Sad but true.

So jerk off while you collect MAs and PhDs.

You non Bombay wallahs run the bloody national govt both administration and legislature. And look what a pig's breakfast you've made of the whole thing.

Good courses ha !

We had three Unis established in the 19th century. Bombay madras and Calcutta.


Along with 20 + colleges other unis and specialised institutes before independence.

2 Nobel laureates were produced from 1857 to 1947.

Only 1 academic Nobel laureate since then. 1998 Amartya Sen who only completed his BA in India and taught in India for a while. Was also VC of Delhi University (which is at what rank in the 2018 rankings ?)


Most of his work was done abroad. His PhD at Cambridge. Poverty and Famines published by Oxford.

So tell me where are these great colleges in India which put MU to shame by being equals to foreign ones ?


Cutoffs ain't the only thing.

If that was the case DU students would be Nobel Laureates by a country mile and our civil service must be filled with geniuses because so few get in.

Don't give a fig about NLU or GLC.

I was infuriated that an outsider has the sheer gall to call a college in Bombay a shithole.

This article is about Bombay and the first comment was decorous and constructive in its criticism.

Then some idiot came along running his mouth.

Hello. It is actually KshaharaaTa Puri.

Mumba devi temple was built in 1635. 100 years after portugese who called it bom bhaim. Mumbai is the official name only from 1996. I call it Mumbai officially. This is a free country.

My family has been here on this island since before the mutiny. I have no native place or village. YOU and your chauvinist ilks are the outsiders.

Before you go crazy, the last line was in jest. I think all marathis are my brothers. I don;t however like this language chauvinism.

Do you have any self awareness or has your unnecessary Maratha pride overshadowed everything, including common sense? "Outsiders" comment on GLC kids because they spill over all across the country once they graduate and can't find jobs in ye olde Bombay.

to all glc kids here, I just have one question, how many people from one batch are placed at tier 1 firms? Unlike GLC, most top NLUs publicise their recruitment. I've never seen one from GLC,