Government Law College (GLC) Mumbai is hunting for a new principal to revitalise and energise the law school. In unrelated news GLC Mumbai has also called for an investigation into an alleged Rs 22 lakh embezzlement of student funds.
The post of principal has been unfilled at GLC Mumbai since Parimala Rao retired around a year ago but the law school is currently managed by principal-in-charge Prakash Mokal.
Permanent appointments to the post have to be made by the Government, which has now put out an advertisement for the role with a maximum remuneration of around Rs 70,000 per month.
Candidates may be no older than 50 at most, must hold a PhD and have a minimum of 15 years of academic experience. Interviews will be conducted by the Advocate General of Maharashtra and other Government officials.
GLC Mumbai lecturer Prof Kishu Daswani said that it was important for the college to have strong candidates applying for the post. "As a teacher I really would want somebody good to come up," he said.
The deadline for applications is Monday 5 April 2010. [Further details on the position are available here.]
Meanwhile, in a development unrelated to the search for a principal, GLC Mumbai has also called for the police to investigate an alleged Rs 22 lakh bank cheque fraud case.
The alleged fraud by an office staff member is understood to have come to light around September 2009. The police was alerted in October 2009, according to the Times of India.
A total of Rs 22 lakh was allegedly defrauded from the college by altered cheques, coming out of student fees from a one-year post-graduate diploma in securities law.
A source close to GLC Mumbai said that it was a very big loss to the college, which was hoping that the police's Economic Offences Wing would take up the matter and resolve it soon.
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Eros theatre and GLC Mumbai are connected how exactly?
2. The advertisement mentions the Maximum age as 45 and not as 50.
[Thanks for your comment, you are correct on 1, which we have corrected in the article.
In respect of the age limit, the job specifications do set out a set of circumstances in 4.2 through which the age limit can be relaxed from 45 to 50 at most. -Ed]
"GLC still produces the best litigators, something no national law school can challenge"
you have got to be joking. you're not exactly Mr Current Affairs are you?
GLC is a college stuck in a horrid university... Even then it manages to get the best of the city and attracts students from all over the country... There is something to the institute that is just magical... remember its past... every big lawyer now is somehow connected to the college... Its sad that the alumni after reaching the top dont bother about their institution...
Scams keep happening... And to be honest it wasn't like the students defrauded someone... a clerk was involved and the investigation is on...
1) national law colleges weren't around in ambedkar's time
2) ambedkar, nehru etc studied abroad and it is those institutions that made them
3) i would be embarrassed rather than proud if pratibha patil was from my college
4) if famous alumni is your criteria, the delhi univ and calcutta univ alumni lists are a 1000 times more impressive than bombay university's. yet, ask any one in delhi or calcutta and they will prefer NLS/NALSAR/NUJS. the point is, like delhi, madras and calcutta univ bombay univ is history
move with the times grandpa!
NLSs are much more recent and given the available options, still attract the best of the lot and have won many more laurels over a short span of time.
GLC, wake up. The only reasons GLC finds a mention in anybody's mention of the top law schools is (1) The solid and well connected alumni, (2) a few annual events, and (2) The amount of work-ex GLCites manage to gather while studying 'part time' at the university. Of these, the latter two are heavily influenced by (1).
All in all, it is the glorious past which drives the College, not the glorious present.
Hopefully the new principal can breathe some life into this place.
Face it. You wrote these entrance exams and didn't make it. Too bad. Now go sit and cry in one corner and feel sad about your miserable existence.
also be warned that jindal is trying to be the next ISB. in a short span ISB has thrashed the IIMs. no IIM has ever made it to the FT ranking, but ISB is already #15.
n question to #15 - wat percentage of N school grads end up doing litigation? u really need to pay a visit to the Bombay or Supreme Court Bar...
And hey, Wadia isn't exactly at the top of preference-list of lawschoolites during recruitment.
@ GLC Fans .... guys, lets be honest and not get into a comparing game when there isn't any comparison. Look at scholarships, moots, publications, recruitment stats .... law schools are ahead of GLC by miles. Not belittling GLC here but we know what the picture is.
As regards Jindal being the next ISB, lets see what happens. Thanks to you guys, law schools are taking note of JGLS.
ISB hasn't affected IIMs that much ... has it? IIMs still boast of excellent placements. So i guess JGLS isnt gonna paw lawschools over like you losers are fantasizing. What will u gain if lawschools suffer? A chance to gloat? Very petty.
Without demeaning corporate law as a field, it is true that most law school students opt for it, whereas GLC is one of the few colleges in the country where a large percentage of students still go in for litigation and other pure law branches.
And although infrastructure wise and administratively GLC lags behind law schools substantially, the quality of students has, in my opinion, not been compromised.
A good principal and probably autonomy from Mumbai University can make the difference. GLC's location and strong alumni are its greatest assets, which haven't yet been exploited to the fullest.
As said before, I'm not drawing a comparison between the IQ of a law school guy, and a GLC guy.
# 15: 'cooler' 'sexier' and 'faster' are some of the adjectives you used to prove the fact that N school lawyers are better...CLEARLY your arguing skills are nothing to boast about!!!!
I mean come on! The post itself reflects how absurdly irrational your views are and what is even more absurd is your justification. I am just glad that i'm not a part of such an institution which inflates one's ego (unbelievably) and makes one's perspective of the legal profession so preposterous that "being sexy, strong and cool" is boasted of as an achievement rather than intellectual progress, mooting success and good placement.
# 17: An excellent example of a crisp, hitting-the-point argument only a GLC student could have come up with! :-)
# 25: Raunak, I second that!
1)Reasons mentioned above by 7,30,29,27,26,30,17
2)We as a matter of fact work wonders with what we have. Given our lackadaisical infrastructure and management we till date compete with N schools and have a substantial position in the top 10. That accounts for how hard working we are.
3)What you refer to as ‘part time’ is in reality practical education which as a matter of fact has proved to be far more retentive than book reading. So to put it in simpler words its education with experience for which we get more time. Sadly enough your college doesn’t offer you that option.
4)We students run the college. They are our effort and they are our skills. We unlike N school students don’t fall back on or rather gloat upon a fancy infrastructure and the expertise of an equipped management, which in consequence has nothing to do with the students.
5)We over these years in GLC have learnt the concept of 'Compatibility and mutual respect for other human beings' which sadly enough N School students miss out on.
to claim that NLU-ites are sexier, cooler and faster than anyone else purely by happening to pass a timebound largely MCQ based test, is a delusion. Idiocy here is as common as it is elsewhere; in fact it idiocy here is more dangerous than elsewhere, because it comes combined with a frightening amount of unwarranted arrogance. What exactly are you so proud of? Passing an exam? How much better are you, who scored a quarter point over the cutoff, than the guy who was a mark behind you? Or even five marks? Does having known who the 3rd president or the inventor of the television was, or some other obscure and largely inconsequential bunch of facts make you sexier than the dude who doesn't? Spare me.
similarly to claim that GLC has, in any way, access to a comparable variety options that an NLU-ite does (well the older NLU-ites at least) is laughable. The management is miserable and class/teaching quality has greatly deteriorated in the last decade or so. Classes are a farce, as I'm sure is common through Bombay Univ. GLC is simply relying on past glory, which it undeniably has; there is nothing in the present system to warrant pride. There's no point trying to disown facts.
now could we please quit the fighting; NLU-ites are douchebags and GLC-ites are incompetent.
Case closed.
Its really amusing to see how non national law schools try to make a case for themselves being as good as the N law schools. And its also amusing how they gloat about Jindal being the doom for law schools. Its also disappointing to see N law school students slinging mud when they hardly have to prove anything about their standing (I guess its good pastime for some).
HERE'S A FACT - N law school students get foreign placements by the dozen, Rhodes and other schols., admissions to top Ivys w/o work exp., win truly International moots etc etc etc. Of course, some GLC students manage that too but when it comes to numbers, GLC is left behind. At GLC, these are an exception than a rule, unlike at N law schools.
HOWEVER, it does not reflect on the GLC students (at least when they choose o join GLC). It reflects on GLC as an institution. I have many good friends at GLC and I know that the best students of GLC are smarter than the below average students of N law, and some are even as smart as the best of N law. However, the problem is that firms are more prone to recruiting from law schools. For example, some foreign firms used to have a dedicated and separate link for the law school applicants!
ALSO, LAWSCHOOLS PROVIDE A GROOMING THAT GLC DOESN'T. Therein lies the core problem.
N Law grad.
However, it may be a smart move to do corp related work and earn good amount of money rather than diving into the depths of uncertainty by becoming a lit lawyer. What I meant to say is that corp law is easy than litigation.
what u all r fighting on? I am sure most of you are those guys who really don't have any work at all.. fighting on internet with anonymous names gives u high?
grow up and be a little productive...
As far as the debate goes, I agree with #34. We're all idiots. Expect when we're not. Which is rare, but does happen, and given the billing procedures of most law firms, a few hours a month of being brilliant (or merely competent!) does result in the sweet sound of money flowing in. KA-CHING!
And that's true whether you're from NLS, GLC, or one of the many, many, MANY (how many are there again?? I'm losing count) NLUs.
I have a problem with #20, 21 and 39
Boss, both forms of practice are equally challenging...
Don't forget, that the documents we draft are what form of the basis of most litigation....mind you, this documentation that we prepare and depending on how well researched and well drafted it is means whether your client makes it or loses it...I would have loved to be a litigator, but I realise now that this kind of work is equally challenging...
my friend, if that's all that you're doing, then I should say you're not doing everything involved here...
negotiation is something which is very very crucial for a transactional lawyer and its a pity that you're not exposed to that...its an art in itself, it involves an equal amount of arguing and trust me, you have to be able to reason out your position...
another thing, if you feel you're not researching your opinions, then clearly, you're not working on cutting edge stuff.....
I only pray that you get newer stuff....that is far more challenging than what you're describing...
MUMBAI: A large number of law students, who appeared for their final year LL.B exam this year, will not be donning their black gowns and white neckbands.
The pass percentages for the 2003 batch of legal eagles stand abysmally low at 32.43 for the fiveyear course and 24.5 for the three-year course.
However, it’s not mere statistics that are bothering the students and teachers alike. The list of students who have failed the exam includes some very unexpected names—students who have done well in the previous years.
For instance, Divakar Ingle (name changed), a final year student of Government Law College’s (GLC) five-year LL.B course has been among the top five rankers in the previous four years. When the final year results were declared last week, the bright youngster was shocked to see that he had failed in three subjects. “This is completely absurd,’’ is all a worried Divakar, who has now had to put job offers on hold, said.
As many as 100 students amongst the 152 students, who appeared for the final five-year exam at GLC, have failed this year. In fact, GLC’s pass percentage has drastically dropped from 62.2 last year to 32.43 this year.
In the threeyear course, the university’s pass percentage has dropped from 35.33 in 2002 to 24.5 this year. According to academicians, the number of law students clearing their LL.B in the first attempt has never been something to boast about.
But as N.M. Rajadhyaksha, principal of New Law College, Mahim, reiterated, “This year’s list of failed students does include some very unexpected names.’’ “After making us slog for three years, this is a cruel parting gift that the university has dropped on us,’’ said a final year student of Ambedkar Law College who has failed in two subjects. Also, with the Mumbai university discontinuing its revaluation system, students have little hope of any corrective measure.
They can only apply for a re-verification of marks where the university will simply re-total their marks. Ironically, the university also provides students with photocopies of their answer papers (at a cost of Rs 400). “What is the point in letting us see our answer sheets when we cannot do anything with them,’’ a student said.
While some blame the apathetic examination system for the poor results, law department dean Nilima Chandiramani said, students have become too casual about the course. “A majority of law students treat the course as a parttime one. They bunk classes and then end up cramming guides before the exams,’’ she said.
However, teachers maintained that the entire examination system needs to be revamped. Since the government has failed to fill up vacancies in colleges, 90 per cent of the law professors are practising lawyers who teach parttime. “The university pays us Rs 6 for correcting a paper.
The university’s disrespect for the examiner’s effort is bound to get reflected in the way papers are marked,’’ a professor, not willing to be identified, said.
Also, since answer papers of students’ getting very low (below 39) or very high (above 60) marks need to be scrutinised by a moderator, most examiners play safe by giving average marks to a majority of students.
“This is very unfair to students, who actually put in an extra effort,’’ college principal said.
[ timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Law-results-stump-final-year-students/articleshow/92265.cms ]
i too believe it needs to be privatised/made into an NLU so that it becomes cosmopolitan and these elements are kept out
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Law-colleges-look-for-principals-as-deadline-nears/articleshow/4179532.cms
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Mumbai/Law-students-file-PIL-against-Mumbai-University/articleshow/4703572.cms
The N school attitude really needs to figure this out !!
N yes GLC is seriously not that bad... we're a good college and despite all our problems have good students...
C'mon seriously N-school people... You're making us sound like some wasted losers... We've produced some of the best legal minds and will still continue to do so... You might get awesome pay packets and thats really good... But that doesn't mean that we don't get jobs or something, or that we don't have a future... As students at GLC we learn way more on a practical level... We learn things quite related to our Bar and the Court...
& i'm sure that who ever has come to GLC for any event would know how the students manage everything and put up an awesome show... !
Seriously, GLC, N School or whatever place... we all contribute to the same profession in the end...
& ya what the crux here should actually be is, the issues the college is facing and not whether GLC is cooler than a Law School or not... Or whatever...
Lets end this argument...
Comment #34 - Awesome and illuminating. # 52, 53 - Bravo ! i love it when someones right.
i must point out that all this is sincerely interesting, it really reflects at how much time the V years course students across all universities, inclusive of those which carry a "N" and those who dont, actually have.
Its such a deranged mentality to assume superiority of intelligence and being boastful of it, by virtue of the institution that you are a part of. i worry, that if it is the institution that promotes such a thinking, then theres something seriously wrong. Why is there a discussion on who is smarter, better groomed, "sexier, faster, cooler" ? if such notions of superiority are what eggs you on, you need a life. to me its a sign of insecurity.
Pity, we at GLC are not exposed to being in a bubble and class-room training, nor do we say "sir" and "bhaiyya" to older students. "N schools are sans accun doute a good thing. i dont know if they are better or smarter or cooler, but i know that the discussion is abysmally immature and even contrary to the fake superior notion.
if you are going to run a firm solely on the basis of which institution the candidate is from, your prejudices are not healthy, infact they are reminicent of india 'varna' or caste based system.
if u think uve really achieved the status of "genious/brilliant" or you automatically should be respected and revered or treated specially, by getting into any place, wake up, u still have to prove it. and by the way, that doesnt make you any better nor does it give you the right to anonymously assume that others are less abled or smart. its just very juvenile and sensless to do so, and far from the alleged professional training that one is groomed with.
Perhaps human nature would explain the need to be in "the best" but what is the fixation of wanting to advertise it to the world as your only reason to be better than others ? its scary if the institution is your identity, coz i believe there are a lot more than one person who also have that. i think the institutions should start being recognised by us law students.
i agree and admit, GLC under Mumbai University is definately seeing its worst age. Drastic stems are required. But these GLCites do rather well for themselves, inspite of the adversity. It is this, about these very unique individuals that perhaps set them apart from the crowd. i guess its your ability to shine in the shit, and i hope that its again not restricted to GLC.
Idealistic perhaps, but i would rather appreciate a future colleague from a different university "N" or otherwise rather than builiding false notions regarding his or her intelligence. I hope human progress allows us see beyond such frivolous things.
Truth is, your boss will still fire you if u dont work and would still promote you if u work. irrespective of which school or college you came from. if he or she doesnt, leave the place !
For the record, if there still are many who sincerely believe that it is their institution and training that has made them the "best", good luck. GLCites are not your competition, they dont get such training, some probably dont need it. but they do make it on their own and they do rather well, but most importantly, "frankly my dear, we dont give a damn"
thank you.
never the less, i stick to what i said earlier, it doesnt matter and no one will care. you do good work you will be known and that is what will mater. period.
do u think after this incident there are going to be some major changes in the administrative dept. or the faculty ?
1. Not only you NLUites have Rhodies, we also do. Even our seniors go to Oxford/Harvard/Cambridge/NYU/Yale for their Masters.
2. We pay a meagre 4-5k fee annually and are not looted some 3 lakhs p.a. If any insti which churns lakhs annually, people would beat you up if you dont provide such facilities and output! Isn't it?
3. We win a Stetson and many other prestigious moots like you, despite the fact that our college provides no access to manupatra/westlaw/jstor. Our mooting years have been better than many NLUs barring few.
4. A Former CJI is the ed-in-chief and the best of Senior Counsels are the editors of our Law Review.
5. Can you NLUites even dream of hosting and organising a moot as of a scale as grand as DMH ever? Kudos to our MCA!
6. What GLC gives us is FREEDOM! U want to moot, work, intern or just chill at Marine Drive, do whatever, you are free! I would feel like a bird caged in few acres of campus in some deep jungle 10-20 kms away from city(some are in remote Naxalite areas)!
7. We get to learn practically by working throughout the year under the crème de la crème of corp law as well as lit, while studying &mooting, which sadly you guys do not get!
8. Inspite of having serious administrative problems and lack of a well-qualified faculty of professors we regularly make it to the Top 10 league, which is a remarkable feat in itself! Many NLUs haven't made it yet!
9. As individuals, we GLCites are 'SELF-MADE' instead of being 'sexier, cooler, stronger' and are proud of it! No AMCSS/AZB would recruit you seeing how sexy/cool you are. How ridiculous!
#44: you give a 2003 link! We're in 2010. Period!
You NLUites may bask in your own glory, we give a damn! And please get a life!
Thank You.
Just because you enter a National doesn't make you 'sexier' or 'cooler'! What a level of absurdity!! I have seen many National students who are no less than nerds and have knowledge only in the legal field and all they can think and dream of is being placed and earning money. They have no development as individuals as they are closed within the precinct of their institution for the most awesome 5 years of their life. Again this cannot be applied for all the National students but face it majority of you think, speak, dream only law law and law.
We at GLC, right from our 1st year gain experience in organizing events of such a grand scale which is impossible of being substituted by any other experience. Yes, there are administrative problems and the checking done by the Mumbai University is worse than be said BUT despite all these we do great which only makes us capable of growing as individuals. Self study is the best study.
I have interned at the top firms and come across many National students. I have some very good friends from N schools and they all are very helpful and cordial, except a particular N school which I think is the hub of arrogance. Again this might be a subjective perception.
And you are wrong by saying that we all give the entrance exams. I didn't and many of us choose GLC as our first priority.
It's easy to laugh at others and think you are superior at the beginning of the climb on the ladder of success. What keeps you eventually growing is your hard work and persistence. As rightly said by someone in some post above that 5 years down the line it really doesn't matter which college you are from. So guys stop laughing and ridiculing at any college, be happy where you are.
We GLCites love our college and given a chance I would always want to study here. Period.
This discussion is about legal issues and not your sexiness.
How narrow minded are you??
Coolness and sexiness may not necessarily mean 'good looking'........ It can be widely interpreted !!
what i say about glc...{ government law college}..i am also from government law college.I myself dont know what i am doing in this college.when i am inside the campus..oh sorry campus is in my dreams.
when i am in the college.i feel i am not studying in mumbai.i feel as if i am studying in some dhaba where there is all hop chop..where there is no food a kind of that dhaba. listen all nlu'ites all these comments from glc people favouring it are all untrustworthy because they also know glc is that instituion when u dont get any one of other law college ..the final choice is glc..any ways finally dont let your any of your friends ,brothers ,sisters to come in glc. it better to be non educated or un educated whatever.
Thank you glc students for coming up and defending your college, it's an honourable gesture.
But the fact that you win the debate, doesn't mean that all the problems that glc faces are gone.
And the NLU'ites that you debate against don't have a life either, since they chose to spend their time declaring the inferior state of a Non-national Law School.
Please, none of these comments are going to help any NLU or GLC. So both parties should stop the debate, and move on.
- [name redacted - if you really are that person, please get in touch and we will confirm]
The punctuality of students & teachers have to be stricly maintained.These are matters for which nobody will have an objection.
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