GLC Mumbai and other law schools affiliated to Mumbai University will now have internal assessment added to their grading patterns, reported the Times of India.
The Mumbai University academic council has approved a resolution to have a continuous assessment system for its law students where 40 out of the 100 marks for a paper in a semester will be accorded for classroom participation, projects, judgement analysis and unit tests. The end of semester exam will be worth the remaining 60 marks.
Former dean of law Narayan Rajadhyaksha told TOI: “It will involve more of practical training and students will be pushed to think analytically. They will be asked to analyse landmark judgements or given case studies, projects depending on what their college would assign.
“Classroom participation will not just be based on attendance but will involve debates and arguments over cases.”
GLC Mumbai and many other Mumbai University law students have long had the advantage of being able to do near full-time internships or articled clerkships with Mumbai-based law firms while still studying for their undergraduate degrees.
This can give GLC students more practical experience during their studies than graduates from full-time residential law schools, resulting in a corresponding advantage in eventual graduate recruitments (despite many Mumbai Universities law courses’ arguably inferior classroom tuition, with a few exceptions).
Are you a Mumbai University law students? Do you think this will affect the competitiveness of these law degrees, without a corresponding improvement in faculty and teaching quality?
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Sadly, the GLC people will still get away despite the new rule. Attendance marks will probably note be more than 5%, the students can bribe staff and get attendance anyway, the projects will not be evaluated rigorously like in NLUs, and most of all the admin will ultimately not upset things too much as they also know this is why GLC attracts students.
Counsel like us will survive nay, thrive whilst your lot vanishes, after existing for what a century maybe a century and a half ?
Never said nor insinuated the idea that the world begins or ends at the Bombay HC.
The fact that you interpreted all this from my comment is a reflection of the fact that you lot suffer from delusions of grandeur.
I criticised Corporate lawyers/paper pushers.
What're you on about ? Why bring NLU and GLC into this?
That's all really.
Maybe, career advancement might be trickier - given the dwindling network (outside old-school Bombay), and frankly, the likelihood of better average quality at top NLUs.
Elitist, are we?
Keeps the riff raff out. Who consist of the following -
1.The nouveau riche (daddy was a dacoit who made a few Bob in the 80s) "do you know who my daddy is"? wastrel. Due to the fact his money is so new he's eager to let everyone know he has some.
2.The religious bigot who believes there is some large conspiracy (librul sicks) planned to get his sorry arse and blames everyone from circa 1450s for his failures. He's a wiser statesman than everyone in the past, loutishly venerates the army yet cowers when he hears a tyre bursting and in general is just a coward.
3.The IAS reject wannabe Babus from the moffusils who just rote learn so that they can become a bunch of uppity chip shouldered leeches or as we call them civil servants.
Thankfully this last lot will vanish (one hopes) now that lateral hiring has begun.
1. Tame religious bigotry by allowing bigots to work through a liberal curriculum, and actually encourage them to think.
2. Inject more ambition into those poor souls from the moffusils who know of no other secure opportunities beyond civil services.
3. Improve the university's overall infrastructure to meet the expectations of "nouveau rich wastrels".
But then again, from the tone of the above comment (assuming you attend(ed) an NLU), I think if the "riff raff" do attend your university, we'll merely end up with more arrogant riff raff the likes of:
1. Draco Malfoy -- Extra Strong
2. Bellatrix Lestrange from Bihar
3. Dolores Umbridge with a horcrux around her neck
If one cannot expect any growth after 5 years of attending a higher education institute, I question everything about your university.
Also, why do you elitists hate rich people? There's no nobility in poverty. Or are you jealous?
You know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Why should these nouveaus goons be afforded any special treatment ? Why should anyone want to attract these black money hoarding looters and traitors ?
They are no different than anyone else. In fact they'll still be common as dirt regardless of the size of their bank account.
Also: note the quotes. I honestly think "nouveau riche wastrels" is possibly the worst cliche in the world. What is this 1970s Bollywood? Are all newly rich people blood sucking capitalists? Is capitalism a dirty word? How anti-money can you get! Do continue your worship at the altar of the established ruling class, and to hell with those who progress: after all, their parents are probably "dacoits who made a few Bob in the 80s".
To you sophistication perhaps only means a good command over the English language, and the knowledge of which fork to use when. Congratulations on having pointless standards.
Do face it, you like snobbery.
Yeah bugger me for wanting our republic to jettison all snobbishness and when in doesn't do that I shouldn't in fact be snobbish to the 1%. I'm sure they'll shed bitter tears.
I'm a simple chap who believes in property rights and capitalism. Sadly land rights were violated in this land in the past and now the zamindar is replaced by the builder. Great ! Only way the rich have made money most of the time is through good old govt intervention.
However worship the people who have ruined this great country. We could have been so much better.
Quote: And where do you propose to raise this money from? You do realise India's balance sheet is not quite as good as it should be. Here's a snapshot from a few months ago: www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/why-the-fuss-about-fiscal-deficit/article22723770.ece
Quote: Fight for transparency then. Why blame industrialists?
For all the industrialists who are accused or even convicted for scams, how many government officials are even prosecuted? Is it possible that officials were oblivious to what was going on? Hating builders or industry barons etc. will just make things worse. Populist sentiment will be out for blood, and the result: government control and licenses, which will actually perpetuate this kleptocracy.
That's what you said.
If you wash ravish Kumar a great man, his series highlight how even by modest standards the colleges in this country are deliberately underfunded and in serious jeporady which the govt couldn't care less about. Why ? Because the babus,politicians and the industrialists (a lot of whom who open up pvt colleges to bilk people with help from the babus expertise and the minister's blessings) won't be advantaged. Just the students and who cares about them.
Now you change your tune to this - "And where do you propose to raise this money from? You do realise India's balance sheet is not quite as good as it should be".
" Fight for transparency then. Why blame industrialists?"
What makes you assume I'm not ? And why shouldn't I blame thieves ? Regardless of how much we progress greedy people shall exist. Doesn't mean I'll stop blaming them. Nor should others. We are not talking about a bunch of starving people or petty theft. These dacoits steal billions of Rs from us one way or the other.
For all the industrialists who are accused or even convicted for scams, how many government officials are even prosecuted? Is it possible that officials were oblivious to what was going on?
I hate politicians even more. Why wouldn't I ? They too are part of the dacoits and nouveaus I speak of. Infact they're in a lot of cases straight up rapists and murderers.
Alas, the darnedest thing is, I just don't use that brand of esoteric knowledge most of the time.
I use my hands to eat,sometimes a spoon for rice.
Damn shame. I'm a savage, I know.
Mate you ain't Jordan Belfort and the year ain't 2014. That movie has been irrelevant for almost 2 years. Get with the times daddy-o!
And all of you recently educated, degree laundering. newly English speaking, Indian millennial chappies really ought to read something other than Henry potter.
You guys' love for that mediocre children's book is now creepy. Also what's up with you guys' love affair with Coelho? Are Wodehouse novels to complicated for you?
I find it hilarious that you find "Harry Potter" a mediocre children's book. I suppose the political underpinnings of the entire series escape you. But then again, for someone who prefers to escape in a bygone era, with zero social commentary and frivolous escapism, Wodehouse is obviously the author of choice. Sadly, as a matter of disclosure, I too confess of a degree of Wodehouse indulgenece. I suppose we all have our vices. Do tell me, comrade, is your inspiration the Empress of Blandings, or are you trying the corner everything around you like Rupert Psmith? Your tone does seem to imply the former...
Quote: If you actually think of poverty as romantic, you are possibly the one of the most insensitive persons on this planet. I would point you to the works of Bernard Shaw (especially Major Barbara) to support my point, but then you think a four year old quote is obsolete. Poor Mr Shaw doesn't stand a chance.
I also thank you for informing me of my love affair with Coelho. I was unaware of any feelings for him.
There's no need but I wished to do so, mangle it that is.
"But you have probably corrected it, right, for I am but a "recently educated, degree laundering. newly English speaking, Indian millennial"[sic], after all".
No doubt about that. However it wasn't a correction.
"Wait: if I am degree laundering (whatever that may mean)"
It means one who hoards degrees as way to beef up a CV. A common problem in India.
"-- I wonder if it is handwashed or machine washed?)",
They used to be hand washed until quite recently but due to that new EMI scheme they're now machine washed.
"can I be counted as educated?"
Literate yes. Other than that, no. I'm afraid.
"Hmm. My brain explodes with the complexities that you present".
Nothing less could be expected.
"I find it hilarious that you find "Harry Potter" a mediocre children's book.
You would now wouldn't you ? Glad to have brightened your day.
"I suppose the political underpinnings of the entire series escape you".
Of course calling a book mediocre means one hasn't understood it ! May I recommend a Series of Unfortunate Events ? Nothing spectacular, just a solid read.
"But then again, for someone who prefers to escape in a bygone era, with zero social commentary and frivolous escapism",
Silly me wanting to read comedy just for comedy's sake.
"Do tell me, comrade, is your inspiration the Empress of Blandings, or are you trying the corner everything around you like Rupert Psmith? Your tone does seem to imply the former..."
Actually one's not really inspired by fictitious characters. Although Flashman ain't that bad. And Jeeves too but since he's just part of the poor so I guess he's not worthy eh ?
"If you actually think of poverty as romantic, you are possibly the one of the most insensitive persons on this planet. I would point you to the works of Bernard Shaw (especially Major Barbara) to support my point, but then you think a four year old quote is obsolete. Poor Mr Shaw doesn't stand a chance".
Never said I did. I just don't worship the Beaujolais. My quote was a comment about you using a predictably old quote for a point I never made.
You know the poor are not half bad right ? Some of them, just hear me out a moment are quite all right really. Also one can hope for a country where the people aren't subsistence level earners malnourished and stunted as children whilst Mr dacoit and his spawn stuff themselves silly.
And before you say it, yes I'm a champagne socialist. A Bollinger Bolshevik. A Limousine /latte liberal. I think that's how you're wired. Chap has to be a hypocrite right ? Please prove me wrong.
"I also thank you for informing me of my love affair with Coelho. I was unaware of any feelings for him".
Well, I do think you mustn't repress your feelings any longer. It's 2018 go crazy ! You do you as the kids say.
Quote: What's the matter? CV not good enough?
Quote: Do they use bleach?
Quote: No great loss, I suppose if you think so. I think that's how you're wired...no need to prove me wrong.
Quote: Have read it. Agree: nothing spectacular. Tolerable. Perhaps amusing in bits. It tries to hard to be clever for the sake of being clever. Perhaps it may be appealing to those who prefer Wilde to Shaw.
Quote: Indeed. Silly to compare it with Harry Potter (primarily a children's fantasy book). A comparison with A Series of Unfortunate Events, or even Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would have been more appropriate. I find it telling that the first thing that came to your mind was Wodehouse, who could be more appropriately compared with Moni Mohsin's Diaries of a Social Butterfly.
Quote: Your words, not mine!
Quote: A point we agree on, finally!
Quote: You'd rather "Mr dacoit and his spawn" starve, too?
How about shedding elitism for inclusion instead? How about not ranting about the aspirational who come from tier-2 and tier-3 towns, and don't fit in?
Quote: I'd rather not, thanks. Hope you aren't projecting?
Used by you in a serious manner. A quote said by a despicable character based on a ghastly man who made a fortune by by being a trickster to the working man {penny stocks} afterwards he robs the rich which is still not very good you know. Apart from being a subconscious racist {what did he call the Capt ?} and a cad.
A common petty thief {yep that's all that he was} who thought he was better than others. Anyone regardless of pedigree who does that is not someone who I would quote verbatim in a serious manner. Even if the quote maybe fictional {don't know}.
And you think I romanticise poverty ? You do that's why you wrote what you wrote. However you're wrong. Come on even Freddie Threepwood isn't as dull as you.
"I would point you to the works of Bernard Shaw (especially Major Barbara) to support my point, but then you think a four year old quote is obsolete. Poor Mr Shaw doesn't stand a chance".
Yeah I watched the film. As a piece of pop culture it is old. Maybe a classic, who knows ? The fact that you lazily believe Shaw would be discarded by me for being old really shows that you're grasping at straws.
Quote: Thank Heavens, you don't!
Quote: Much like My Fair Lady that massacred Pygmalion, that film also starring Rex Harrison, was rubbish.
Quote: In millennial textspeak: lmfao
Wow ! That book makes rather rudimentary analogies to racism with the pure blood Malfoys looking down on the mudblood Hermione, and consequently hate on Henry P and the wolselys, keeping that doby slave, the Black family almost killing themselves due to their inbreeding, Cyrus black rebelling against it and the the mixed race HP is the saviour.
And that oh so great portrayal of Dumbledore as some former Nazi who is disillusioned by Voldy.
I guess it could be compared to Trotsky {Dumbledore} getting disillusioned by Stalin {Voldy} and instead this time Trotsky is triumphant.
This is the social commentary you want ? A child's book indeed.
Also, I regret to say that I shall not be replying to any further messages related to this thread. Besides being a rather amusing waste of time, I am sure Kian has also had enough!
Belfort wasn't starving nor were his children. He was a greedy thief. And I wouldn't wish to become a multimillionaire through thievery like him. Especially by stealing from my own fellow poor citizens. Again a lot of poor in this country are as if not more moral than most of their fellow citizens. Certainly more moral than the Mr dacoit.
Why are you so bigoted that you assume all of the poor are as immoral as you think ?
"You'd rather "Mr dacoit and his spawn" starve, too?"
Never said that. Again you're deeply disturbed if you think I wish physical harm on anyone including the new money. Just want a fairer republic.
"How about shedding elitism for inclusion instead?"
How about this country do that exactly instead of perpetuating VIP culture ?
"How about not ranting about the aspirational who come from tier-2 and tier-3 towns, and don't fit in?"
Never said anything about their not fitting in. As usual you misunderstood the point I was making. You can't help it. I haven't accused you of being anti poor just cause youre against my being snobbish to the 1% here who are mostly are dacoits.
I despise how our civil service is more or less a corrupt machine that steals the hard earnt money of the citizenry. Most of these kids who aspire to join it end up perpetuating poverty and of course become a bunch of uppity thieves just like their political masters.
"Thank Heavens, you don't!
Well I'm glad you're relieved.
"Silly to compare it with Harry Potter (primarily a children's fantasy book). A comparison with A Series of Unfortunate Events, or even Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would have been more appropriate".
My original point was how HP is adored either as serious book for adults or a recreational one by you lot. On all counts as a book for teens and adults its neither funny, stimulating or even funny as I assume certain fantasy novels would be funny. Thus I mentioned Wodehouse as a comedic author for those who wish to branch out.
"Thank you for proving your arrogance, and my (original) point".
You're welcome. I'm an elitist towards the corrupt businessmen, politicians et al who make up the nouveau riche here. Glad to see you're standing up for a minority.
" No great loss, I suppose if you think so. I think that's how you're wired...no need to prove me wrong".
Why would I prove anything to you ? I don't think much of you and you vice versa I hope.
"Perhaps it may be appealing to those who prefer Wilde to Shaw".
OK. Both were wildly different when subject matter was concerned.
Only similarities were that they were Irish playwrights.
"but just as you cannot see below the surface of the obvious themes of racism and courage in Harry Potter (such as the surveillance systems, taboo monitoring (social media monitoring anyone?), and the muggle born registration commission),"
Good God man you've given that book a lot of thought. Good for you I guess.... I just read Wodehouse, laugh and move on.
"you obviously could not pick up the undertones of the quote".
I did. The whole scene was disgusting. And this quote isolated whilst pithy is nothing great. Few will argue that the poor deserved to be clad in ermine. Although some religions may disagree. By and large this quote is just blah..
" Also, I regret to say that I shall not be replying to any further messages related to this thread".
OK. As you wish. It is a relatively free country
You chase degrees which are ostensibly to educate yet you pursue them to beef up the portfolio. And then of course lie about it or launder.
That's why degree laundering was used.
David Cameron, is that you ?
@Kian why don't you do a story on this. Talk to recruiting partners and ask them who they prefer to hire more. Good interns or people they havent seen much (a month doesn't count) from campuses of top 4 law schools.
I also don't think the internship advantage will be affected much by the new MU policy. Indeed, if implemented well (depends on how well internals are assessed), it may actually improve critical thinking, research and debating skills of students, bringing the curriculum closer to the NLUs' socratic approach.
GLC may actually end up with a massive advantage because with classes predominantly in the morning (they get over by about 10 - 10:30 am), students still have time to intern. This is true for many other law colleges affiliated to MU as well. Moreover, if attendance is not implemented, but project work is scheduled well, students can easily get the best of both worlds - critical thinking based assessments that belong in the current era, and the rigourous (though arguably obsolete) exam system that tests memory as well as application (MU LLB pass percentage is notoriously low, and first class marks are quite a rarity). Combine this with the internship advantage that Mumbai (and college timings) gives students, I think GLC may return to its glory days.
As far as infrastructure is concerned, besides access to online journals, and perhaps access to the college VPN to obtain journal access outside of college hours, GLC's infrastructure is adequate. Some of the teaching staff is quite impressive as well. If the permanent faculty were of the same standard, I honestly think that GLC could leave all the NLUs behind.
Also:
We don't only get hired by start ups, we start up our own ventures as well. Indeed, an entrepreneurship and leadership cell was launched last year, and GLC students are working towards creating a support ecosystem akin to IIT Bombay's SINE that could support legal start ups as well as tie up with incubators and accelerators. We had quite a successful inaugural start up fest in March, where we invited start up founders, advisors and lawyers specialising in SMEs and start ups. The fest had concluded with a competition judged by the co-founder of a start up incubator.
I am not aware of NLU culture, and cannot comment on whether they are working on something like this, but I really love the opportunities that GLC has presented me in allowing me to have the flexibility to study whilst pursuing my entrepreneurial ambitions. That said, lawoctupus did come out of NUJS, so I suppose NLU students are probably not particularly different.
Also, what is GLC's performance vis a vis NLIU students when we come up head to head at Intervarsity competitions? NLIU in the past 2 years itself has made it twice to the World rounds of Jessup (Quarters and Pre-Quarters) Broke 2 years in a row at Vis Vienna and achieved HMs at Vis moots. I could go on and on about other International moots(Ox Price, Commonwealth, Frankfurt, FDI, HSF etc) or ADR tournaments (ICC Paris) or N number of Inter-Varsity legal competitions where we regularly beat GLC students day in and day out. You think the law firms don't see or care about these things. NLIU students are getting published regularly at International journals and blogs, you think that has no industry impact? Let's be honest, we beat you at all competitions and we beat you at internships and that's not because of some branding value which you allege us to have, its due to the hard work and dedication of our students. You South Bombay kids have fancier accents though. Too bad that is not enough to make the cut.
N.B. Not that NLIU kids can be complacent though. We have to be well aware of our shortcomings and we have to make significant changes within the University and the mindset of our students so that our reputation remains intact and improves in the market. The post-S.S. Singh era looks promising though. Let's keep working hard so we can keep or detractors wrong.
Moot court is highly overrated. Keep on patting yourself on your backs however at the thought of your triumphs at Jessup and other moots. All you NLU chaps who moot are QCs and Wahctell partners in the making. I'm sure.
As for your point about you lot's contribution to international journals and blogs ( yep blogs can't believe you actually said that) this is what the NYT has written about your precious in 2007 www.nytimes.com/2007/03/19/us/19bar.html
It also wrote another article In 2013 www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/us/law-scholarships-lackluster-reviews.html
The above article ridicules law students and law reviews by asking whether anyone would trust a medical journal written by medical students and not doctors. But hey I'm sure you'll dispute that huh ?
You think law reviews/ journals and blogs have industry impact ? They don't and that's what leading jurists have told NYT, but I'm sure you know better.
The law is a vocation. Don't forget it. You wanna wear tweed and pretend to engage in intellectual pursuits ? Go become an historian, physicist or classicist.
We have fancier accents ? Who cares about accents ? Apparently you lot do. Insecure... Nah how can you lot be insecure ? You're such splendid legal minds. We plebs can't even bear to look you in the eye before tugging our forelocks.
As for attendance just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's unethical. For centuries people read law with eminent lawyers. Eg - Honest Abe, Sir Edward Coke etc.
NLU try hards believe that they are by default vastly superior. I wished to demolished such lofty and vain thinking. Looks like I've succeeded.
Individual practioners hardly have websites. The solo advocate scene is scattered, informal and offline. How can one provide stats which shall identify the number of GLC grads who work in advocates chambers outside of Bombay ? You already know this yet you asked this question.
As to what in my opinion proves the worth of a law student ? My answer is that it's not my place to have an opinion.
I believe in individuals. NLUites need collective identity to fill some holes or for some sort of gratification. GLCites don't.
We know each other before we step foot either through school or family contacts. And that's enough for us.
Also because you lot shamelessly follow the dollar here's a recent LI article about partnership breakdown via institutes.
Since this is what matters most to you lot -
www.legallyindia.com/law-firms/symbiosis-comes-closes-to-law-firm-superpower-nls-bangalore-in-2015-16-partnership-promotions-20160524-7635
What other GLC students do is of no consequence. Whether GLC students are recruited and the percentage matters little to most GLC students.
We don't live vicariously through our batchmates unlike you lot who suffer from IIT envy.
You need to stop living in the world of "we". Unless of course you lot refer to yourselves in the majestic plural.
If Glc students moot or write papers more power to them. No skin of my back. And it won't change my views.
Yes, I asked the question knowing well that you can't provide stats. It is to make a point that you shouldn't make any claim without foundation. I haven't actually claimed anywhere that any NLU student is inherently superior to any GLC student. If that makes you feel I've an 'IIT complex', whatever that means, it's actually you who seem to be having an inferiority complex.
So far, you haven't managed to answer a single question that I have asked. Just one additional question in passing. If the opportunity to study at any top tier NLU is made available to any student who's chosen GLC, including finance, how many do you think would choose GLC over an NLU? Maybe you should ask that first to figure out which model is actually the preferred one. Carry out a survey among GLC students, maybe? Or are you that worried about the emerging stats? "Just because something is illegal, it is not unethical" - Err...bribery and using influence to manipulate attendance percentage have become ethical now? If you wish to deal ethically, challenge the BCI Rule about attendance and then go ahead. Or does GLC cite in its attendance record that it allows students to appear for exams with 10% attendance? Get off your ethical high horse, because it is a lame one. Maybe your sense of ethics has also come from 'reading ethics with eminent lawyers'.
Let me answer everything you said in 9.1.1.2-
You said - "Just one additional question in passing. If the opportunity to study at any top tier NLU is made available to any student who's chosen GLC, including finance, how many do you think would choose GLC over an NLU? Maybe you should ask that first to figure out which model is actually the preferred one. Carry out a survey among GLC students, maybe? Or are you that worried about the emerging stats?"
This entire exchange of mine began when the first comment was whining about GLC students stealing jobs and the other about bribery. Also I wanted to bring some rather vain NLu chaps back to Earth who claim superiority on the basis of collective achievements which in my view is a rather silly thing. Similar to the jingoism.
I couldn't give two hoots what the majority would do in this hypothetical situation of yours. I wouldn't. I like Bombay and the crowd. Believe me or don't believe me. It is a relatively free country.
You said " paying attention in classrooms rather than 'reading law with lawyers'".
I cited an example of an historical practice that was in vogue until the early 20th century. Never said I undertook this method of study. Basic stuff.
The IIT comment was directed to the ex nluite fellow. Apologies if the message reached you.
You said "For someone who says he doesn't believe in collective identity, you seem to be making a lot of claims on behalf of GLCites".
Never did. Only used we when someone said something about accents. Used we when referring to my friends who make up a negligible % of students in the college. Also you're indulging in whataboutery and no true Scotsman.
You said - "Yes, I asked the question knowing well that you can't provide stats".
I did I linked this article
www.legallyindia.com/law-firms/symbiosis-comes-closes-to-law-firm-superpower-nls-bangalore-in-2015-16-partnership-promotions
Which by the way is something I never bragged about. Why would I ? How does it matter to me ?
You said "So far, you haven't managed to answer a single question that I have asked".
I actually did. If I haven't answered a particular question ask again.
You said - "Err...bribery and using influence to manipulate attendance percentage have become ethical now?"
Never said I bribed anything. I just said that to me bunking lectures isn't that unethical. And I still hold that view because this India a relatively free country.
You said - "Get off your ethical high horse, because it is a lame one. Maybe your sense of ethics has also come from 'reading ethics with eminent lawyers'".
Again learn how to read and comprehend Shakespeare's tongue. I cited an historical practice of learning the law. Not philosophy. Nor did I say I took part or intend to take part in it.
Now pray, let me ask you a few questions.
What do you think about NYT has to say about law journals ?
What do you have to say about my assertion that excellence in mooting int'l law doesn't make one a great advocate and my citing of a contemporary legend and justice of the UK supreme court.
I've been relatively respectful and dignified whilst replying to your questions and rant. I hope you shall do the same.
If you choose to reply please type @ guest 13. Or the number and time of my comment.
You said in comment 9.1.1 " I have a simple question. Let us agree that moot courts prove nothing. Publications prove nothing. What does exactly, in your opinion"?
I stated in my succeeding comment 9.1.1.1 - "As to what in my opinion proves the worth of a law student ? My answer is that it's not my place to have an opinion". Like it or not, that's an answer. You asked for my opinion and I stated it.
You said in Comment 9.1.1. - " The main question was regarding law firm recruitment".
There was no such question. This post led to a person saying NLUites are robbed of jobs. I rebutted that and the comment made by NILU ex student.
You said in Comment 9.1.1. - "Maybe provide stats for eminent senior counsels outside Mumbai taking more juniors from GLC than from NLUs?"
I answered this in comment 9.1.1.1. - "Individual practioners hardly have websites. The solo advocate scene is scattered, informal and offline. How can one provide stats which shall identify the number of GLC grads who work in advocates chambers outside of Bombay ? You already know this yet you asked this question".
Yet you then however claim, in comment 9.1.1.2. - "So far, you haven't managed to answer a single question that I have asked".
Which is patently untrue. First you pretented to ask my opinion which I stated. So that question's subsequent answer proves that you're either a liar or wilfully ignoring my answer.
Next you asked for stats about how many out of town Snr Counsels hire GLC grads to which I gave a reasonable reply that such numbers can't be states due to the informal and old fashioned and guarded nature of solo practitioners in India.
So please explain to me as to how I didn't answer a SINGLE question that you asked.
It means you're jealous of the fact that you're just a bunch of paper pushers/future dodoes. And it was envy not complex.
"it's actually you who seem to be having an inferiority complex"
Oh why do you NLU wallahs continue to speak pidgin English ? One doesn't have an inferiority complex one suffers from it. Basic stuff man.
I like your style though. You clearly know thhttps://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/glc-mumbai-mumbai-uni-law-students-under-internal-assessment-net-now-20180821-9493#at the today's GLC students can't compete with top-tier NLU kids in any law school activity so you instead chose to assail the activities and its relevance in the first place. My oh my aren't you a wily lawyer in making?
Did you read the NYT articles ?
Law publications ARE by and large useless. The law is a vocation. A profession. Don't make it into a boring academic subject.
Mooting isn't a guarantee that you're the best of the best. Like I stated look at Sumption and other Indian Seniors and foreign QCs.
LI has published partnership stats by college in 2016. I've linked them in my previous comments. Take that for what you will. I however couldn't care less.
Do you have any arguments to disprove and demolish the points I make above ?
Again a reminder, stop living vicariously through your classmates. You're no different than the patriot whose behaviour is the last refuge of the scoundrel. That's not something I said but Dr Johnson.
"My oh my aren't you a wily lawyer in making?"
Why thank you.
No.
You said " Do you shut your ears and hum every time a Lord Dennings quote is brought up?"
No. Quite like his judgement in the High Trees case.
Read these articles - www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/us/law-scholarships-lackluster-reviews.html
www.nytimes.com/2007/03/19/us/19bar.html
Hey, but it is only The New York Times who quote a federal appeals court judge and a former Solicitor General. What do they know right?
This article mentioned no other institute except GLC. Yet the very first comment was this -
" 1 Guest 21 Aug 18, 21:11
This is long overdue. GLC students cheat the system and steal jobs from more deserving candidates from NLUs, who honestly attend lectures and undergo more rigorous academic training. This is one of the reasons why skills like research, writing and critical thinking (highly prized abroad) are devalued in Bombay -- because the GLC crowd never went to law school and learnt the law through "jugaad".
Sadly, the GLC people will still get away despite the new rule. Attendance marks will probably note be more than 5%, the students can bribe staff and get attendance anyway, the projects will not be evaluated rigorously like in NLUs, and most of all the admin will ultimately not upset things too much as they also know this is why GLC attracts students".
Oh the irony...
Who'd want to write for that squalid little rag ?
Also, none of us needs to live vicariously through our classmates. I got recruited by a Tier 1 law firm and did decently well for myself while I was in law school. I am sure so many GLC grads do well too. I feel bad for you though. With your logical abilities, I see tougher times ahead for you.
Your previous comment mentioned how you lot excel at moots and how you publish in BLOGS and journals which have industry impact. That claim was patently false. I say that with confidence my argument is buttressed by the 2 NYT articles I linked.
So yeah you chaps publish in legal journals. 43% of articles aren't even read. Ha ! Enjoy that. Like I said the law is a profession. You want research ? Be a doctor, an historian or economist.
I don't care how many Glcites receive job offers. Good for them if they do. I linked the partner article because apparently you lot fetishise these things. Reality is once you get your foot in the door your college means didly squat. Also law firms aren't making 80 yr old people partners. Anyway I don't care.
You said "Also, none of us needs to live vicariously through our classmates. I got recruited by a Tier 1 law firm and did decently well for myself while I was in law school".
Why would someone type this online ? How low is your sense of self esteem and worth that you try to covet adulation, awe and envy from strangers online ?
Don't worry about me. Or do. I don't care. It is I must admit, kinda sweet you feel bad for me.
This entire Brouhaha began because the very first comment was some NlU wallah birching. That's a fact. Here's the comment, I've emphasised his bitching via CAPS -
"1 Guest 21 Aug 18, 21:11
This is long overdue. GLC STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM AND STEAL JOBS FROM MORE DESERVING CANDIDATES FROM NLUS who honestly attend lectures and undergo more rigorous academic training. This is one of the reasons why skills like research, writing and critical thinking (highly prized abroad) are devalued in Bombay -- because the GLC crowd never went to law school and learnt the law through "jugaad".
Sadly, the GLC people will still get away despite the new rule. Attendance marks will probably note be more than 5%, the students can bribe staff and get attendance anyway, the projects will not be evaluated rigorously like in NLUs, and most of all the admin will ultimately not upset things too much as they also know this is why GLC attracts students.
Why didn't you tell me that you're the Pythia ? Gosh I've so many questions !
Accept it and move on.
Let's face it bruh, most of you GLC commentators here are petty, insecure people who didn't make it through these top NLUs. If there's a place which is truly inconsequential it's GLC. Whether you like it or not, it's now a hub of NLU rejects.
Accept it and move on
The very first comment was some NLU chap bitching. So either you're blind or.... Who knows.
Don't care whether GLC improves or not.
Looks like from reported articles
Truth about GLC: Once a great institution with illustrious alumni, now a den of mediocre students and terrible faculty, whose lectures students don't even feel worth attending. Quite similar to DU.
Truth about NLUs: They have their faults, but are still superior to GLC. In the case of the top 7-8 NLUs they are a hundred times better, in the case of lower ranked NLUs the difference narrows. However, the quality of students at NLUs is no doubt going down ever since the introduction of more caste/domicile/NRI quotas, and ever since CLAT became a Kota coaching factory entrance exam. NLUs are getting flooded with male, Hindi-speaking coaching factory products from small towns, with regressive social views and poor communication skills. The type of people who support RSS and post Angry Hanuman posters on their door.
And in addition to the Hindi ones there are those fake American accent ones from NLSIU who suffer from inferiority complex and put up a fake American accent.
GLC is an Institution not an ordinary college.
GLC will always remain the best.
'Hiring from campus hasn't significantly increased' - again, give the stats, pal! The LI comments section seems like political parties' IT Cell now.
Please don't blaspheme.
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