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Could a new Mumbai Uni system erode GLC students’ internship advantages?

GLC Mumbai and other law schools affiliated to Mumbai University will now have internal assessment added to their grading patterns, reported the Times of India.

The Mumbai University academic council has approved a resolution to have a continuous assessment system for its law students where 40 out of the 100 marks for a paper in a semester will be accorded for classroom participation, projects, judgement analysis and unit tests. The end of semester exam will be worth the remaining 60 marks.

Former dean of law Narayan Rajadhyaksha told TOI: “It will involve more of practical training and students will be pushed to think analytically. They will be asked to analyse landmark judgements or given case studies, projects depending on what their college would assign.

“Classroom participation will not just be based on attendance but will involve debates and arguments over cases.”

GLC Mumbai and many other Mumbai University law students have long had the advantage of being able to do near full-time internships or articled clerkships with Mumbai-based law firms while still studying for their undergraduate degrees.

This can give GLC students more practical experience during their studies than graduates from full-time residential law schools, resulting in a corresponding advantage in eventual graduate recruitments (despite many Mumbai Universities law courses’ arguably inferior classroom tuition, with a few exceptions).

Are you a Mumbai University law students? Do you think this will affect the competitiveness of these law degrees, without a corresponding improvement in faculty and teaching quality?

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Like +15 Object -28 Guest 21 Aug 18, 21:11  controversial
This is long overdue. GLC students cheat the system and steal jobs from more deserving candidates from NLUs, who honestly attend lectures and undergo more rigorous academic training. This is one of the reasons why skills like research, writing and critical thinking (highly prized abroad) are devalued in Bombay -- because the GLC crowd never went to law school and learnt the law through "jugaad".

Sadly, the GLC people will still get away despite the new rule. Attendance marks will probably note be more than 5%, the students can bribe staff and get attendance anyway, the projects will not be evaluated rigorously like in NLUs, and most of all the admin will ultimately not upset things too much as they also know this is why GLC attracts students.
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Like +30 Object -4 Kek 22 Aug 18, 02:48  interesting  top rated
Lol someone's salty. Do you want some cheese with that whine? GLC students aren't any more undeserving than than the majority incompetent NLU graduates that can barely draft a document but get paid high salaries anyways based just on the fact they graduated from a NLU. Attending classes doesn't make you more deserving lol.
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Like +19 Object -4 Guest 22 Aug 18, 03:45  interesting  top rated
GLCites are interested in counsel practice. Few of us wish to become Corporate lawyers who along with other paper pushers will go the way of the dodo when AI becomes a reality.

Counsel like us will survive nay, thrive whilst your lot vanishes, after existing for what a century maybe a century and a half ?
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Like +2 Object -10 Arrested 23 Aug 18, 13:06
Careful with the high horse there lest you get left behind in this car race. If you think corporate paper pushers are going anywhere anytime soon because of AI, you have much to learn, please go back to class instead of thinking the world starts and ends at the Bombay HC.
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Like +11 Object -2 Never 23 Aug 18, 14:34  interesting
Well atleast you agree that they are paper pushers.

Never said nor insinuated the idea that the world begins or ends at the Bombay HC.

The fact that you interpreted all this from my comment is a reflection of the fact that you lot suffer from delusions of grandeur.
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Like +3 Object -4 Guest 23 Aug 18, 15:40
I wonder why the country still has a dearth of sufficient number of legal stalwart counsels then, with GLC producing batches of hundreds every year! Let's face it, if all GLC students were not interested in getting firm jobs, they wouldn't have interned in those firms by the dozen round the year. Some students opt for counsel practice, definitely. Some also try to be become paper pushers. Some succeed. Some don't. Just like an NLU.
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Like +2 Object -3 Never 23 Aug 18, 23:24
Never attacked or even mentioned an NLU.

I criticised Corporate lawyers/paper pushers.


What're you on about ? Why bring NLU and GLC into this?
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Like +1 Object -2 but 24 Aug 18, 10:13
Criticising corporate lawyers for what exactly?
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Like +3 Object -0 never 06 Sep 18, 00:47
For being a bunch of arriviste paper pushers/future dodoes.

That's all really.
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Like +13 Object -1 Law School product 22 Aug 18, 08:05  interesting  top rated
Grossly unfair. As a product of the OG NLU, I can assure you that the GLC model also has its space - 1. NLUs are expensive; 2. GLC-type perpetual interns do know quite a bit of practical legal skills. A hard working/enterprising GLC-Bombay grad can compete with a people from many so-called top NLUs, at least at major Indian firms at the freshers level. TBH, how intense does your pedagogy need to be, to draft/edit DD reports?

Maybe, career advancement might be trickier - given the dwindling network (outside old-school Bombay), and frankly, the likelihood of better average quality at top NLUs.
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Like +6 Object -11 Guest 22 Aug 18, 12:54  controversial
I have just one thing against the 'GLC Model'. It's illegal. The law on attendance may be a stupid one and should be done away with in any case. However, so long as that doesn't happen, it's still the law.
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Like +20 Object -3 Whatthe 21 Aug 18, 23:28  interesting  top rated
Haha yeah right. jugaad is better than the rubbish nlu students floating around these days. Most can barely speak except when it's for the purpose of ordering weed or passing lewd comments. Glc is refreshingly honest about what it's limitations are and that is why firms like glc graduates
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Like +14 Object -3 Guest 22 Aug 18, 03:35  interesting
Half of these NLU wallhas can barely string together a few words when trying to converse in English and not sound like a murder of crows.
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Like +11 Object -6 Orca 22 Aug 18, 10:06  interesting  controversial
NLUs are not what they used to be. There is an almost uniform drop in quality, and dangerous levels of drops at places like NUJS and NLIU where there has been recent troubles. As law firms have terrible experiences with these graduates some of them are considering cancelling going to a few of these campuses after 2018.
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Like +6 Object -9 Guest 22 Aug 18, 12:03  controversial
Can't go five minutes without crapping on other institutions, can you? Speaks more about your nature and ability or lack thereof, more than it does about the NLUs you refer to. All your kind does is spread fake rumours of this sort, instead of trying to better either their own selves, or the places where they work at, or the places where they have been educated in.
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Like +3 Object -7 Guest 22 Aug 18, 17:31
As someone working at a tier 1 law firm and having friends in all the other tier ones, I can confirm that this rumour of law firms reducing intake from NUJS at least is entirely unsubstantiated. No foundation whatsoever! Some people are deliberately spreading this like Whatsapp fake news. If we like a student, we will offer that person a job. What administrative troubles exist in their respective universities we don't give a rat's ass about!
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Like +5 Object -0 Well 23 Aug 18, 13:09  interesting
You're correct, but Tier 1 firms do take internal policies into account when going for campus recruitment. It's part of the reason why places like JSA don't do campus placements anymore. The NLU tag is no longer a guarantee of quality, which is rather unfortunate.
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Like +2 Object -1 Guest 23 Aug 18, 15:25
I simply said there's no such internal policy yet insofar as NUJS is concerned, something which the earlier commentator had been claiming. About the brand dilution, I fully agree.
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Like +13 Object -6 Guest 22 Aug 18, 11:48  interesting  controversial
Agree with the comments saying that NLU student quality has decreased, even at NLSIU. The reasons are: a) increase in reservations, b) coaching class products from the hinterland flooding NLUs, and c) a dip in the quality of administration and faculty, thus lowering the quality of training being imparted. That said, the average NLU product is still vastly superior to the average GLC product.
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Like +2 Object -5 Elitist 23 Aug 18, 02:06
"coaching class products from the hinterland"
Elitist, are we?
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Like +8 Object -3 Rather be elitist 23 Aug 18, 10:31  interesting
One ought to be elitist.

Keeps the riff raff out. Who consist of the following -

1.The nouveau riche (daddy was a dacoit who made a few Bob in the 80s) "do you know who my daddy is"? wastrel. Due to the fact his money is so new he's eager to let everyone know he has some.

2.The religious bigot who believes there is some large conspiracy (librul sicks) planned to get his sorry arse and blames everyone from circa 1450s for his failures. He's a wiser statesman than everyone in the past, loutishly venerates the army yet cowers when he hears a tyre bursting and in general is just a coward.

3.The IAS reject wannabe Babus from the moffusils who just rote learn so that they can become a bunch of uppity chip shouldered leeches or as we call them civil servants.

Thankfully this last lot will vanish (one hopes) now that lateral hiring has begun.
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Like +3 Object -3 riff raff 23 Aug 18, 21:52
Perhaps giving the "riff raff" an opportunity to attend your "hallowed" university may actually:

1. Tame religious bigotry by allowing bigots to work through a liberal curriculum, and actually encourage them to think.
2. Inject more ambition into those poor souls from the moffusils who know of no other secure opportunities beyond civil services.
3. Improve the university's overall infrastructure to meet the expectations of "nouveau rich wastrels".

But then again, from the tone of the above comment (assuming you attend(ed) an NLU), I think if the "riff raff" do attend your university, we'll merely end up with more arrogant riff raff the likes of:

1. Draco Malfoy -- Extra Strong
2. Bellatrix Lestrange from Bihar
3. Dolores Umbridge with a horcrux around her neck

If one cannot expect any growth after 5 years of attending a higher education institute, I question everything about your university.

Also, why do you elitists hate rich people? There's no nobility in poverty. Or are you jealous?
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Like +2 Object -3 Rather be elitist 24 Aug 18, 02:34
Grow up and start reading books apart from HP.

You know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
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Like +2 Object -0 asb54 06 Sep 18, 00:55
"3. Improve the university's overall infrastructure to meet the expectations of "nouveau rich wastrels".

Why should these nouveaus goons be afforded any special treatment ? Why should anyone want to attract these black money hoarding looters and traitors ?



They are no different than anyone else. In fact they'll still be common as dirt regardless of the size of their bank account.
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Like +2 Object -1 riff raff 10 Sep 18, 01:30
I am not talking about "special treatment", I am talking about upgradation of overall infrastructure in an institution to meet the expectations of "nouveau riche wastrels", which benefits everybody. Do try to parse the sentence.

Also: note the quotes. I honestly think "nouveau riche wastrels" is possibly the worst cliche in the world. What is this 1970s Bollywood? Are all newly rich people blood sucking capitalists? Is capitalism a dirty word? How anti-money can you get! Do continue your worship at the altar of the established ruling class, and to hell with those who progress: after all, their parents are probably "dacoits who made a few Bob in the 80s".

To you sophistication perhaps only means a good command over the English language, and the knowledge of which fork to use when. Congratulations on having pointless standards.

Do face it, you like snobbery.
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Like +0 Object -0 Jordan Belfort. 13 Sep 18, 12:58
Why should this poor nation bend backwards to accommodate a few here today gone tomorrow disaster capitalists ? Improve pathetic infra and teaching. That's it.

Yeah bugger me for wanting our republic to jettison all snobbishness and when in doesn't do that I shouldn't in fact be snobbish to the 1%. I'm sure they'll shed bitter tears.

I'm a simple chap who believes in property rights and capitalism. Sadly land rights were violated in this land in the past and now the zamindar is replaced by the builder. Great ! Only way the rich have made money most of the time is through good old govt intervention.

However worship the people who have ruined this great country. We could have been so much better.
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Like +0 Object -1 riff raff 14 Sep 18, 01:46
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Why should this poor nation bend backwards to accommodate a few here today gone tomorrow disaster capitalists ?
Don't bend backwards, but don't disdain the model either. Besides, charkravat parivartante, sukhani cha, dukhani cha. And the alternative could be a lot worse. The classical liberal model would work, if any one in the government actually decided to switch to it.

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Improve pathetic infra
And where do you propose to raise this money from? You do realise India's balance sheet is not quite as good as it should be. Here's a snapshot from a few months ago: www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/why-the-fuss-about-fiscal-deficit/article22723770.ece

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Only way the rich have made money most of the time is through good old govt intervention.
Fight for transparency then. Why blame industrialists?

For all the industrialists who are accused or even convicted for scams, how many government officials are even prosecuted? Is it possible that officials were oblivious to what was going on? Hating builders or industry barons etc. will just make things worse. Populist sentiment will be out for blood, and the result: government control and licenses, which will actually perpetuate this kleptocracy.
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Like +1 Object -0 Jordan Belfort 14 Sep 18, 13:51
Improve the university's overall infrastructure to meet the expectations of "nouveau rich wastrels".

That's what you said.

If you wash ravish Kumar a great man, his series highlight how even by modest standards the colleges in this country are deliberately underfunded and in serious jeporady which the govt couldn't care less about. Why ? Because the babus,politicians and the industrialists (a lot of whom who open up pvt colleges to bilk people with help from the babus expertise and the minister's blessings) won't be advantaged. Just the students and who cares about them.

Now you change your tune to this - "And where do you propose to raise this money from? You do realise India's balance sheet is not quite as good as it should be".

" Fight for transparency then. Why blame industrialists?"

What makes you assume I'm not ? And why shouldn't I blame thieves ? Regardless of how much we progress greedy people shall exist. Doesn't mean I'll stop blaming them. Nor should others. We are not talking about a bunch of starving people or petty theft. These dacoits steal billions of Rs from us one way or the other.


For all the industrialists who are accused or even convicted for scams, how many government officials are even prosecuted? Is it possible that officials were oblivious to what was going on?

I hate politicians even more. Why wouldn't I ? They too are part of the dacoits and nouveaus I speak of. Infact they're in a lot of cases straight up rapists and murderers.
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Like +1 Object -0 Jordan Belfort. 13 Sep 18, 13:29
I love snobbery. Love it.
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Like +1 Object -0 Jordan Belfort. 13 Sep 18, 14:24
"and the knowledge of which fork to use when. Congratulations on having pointless standards".

Alas, the darnedest thing is, I just don't use that brand of esoteric knowledge most of the time.

I use my hands to eat,sometimes a spoon for rice.

Damn shame. I'm a savage, I know.
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Like +2 Object -0 Jordan Belfort 06 Sep 18, 01:06
"There's no nobility in poverty".

Mate you ain't Jordan Belfort and the year ain't 2014. That movie has been irrelevant for almost 2 years. Get with the times daddy-o!

And all of you recently educated, degree laundering. newly English speaking, Indian millennial chappies really ought to read something other than Henry potter.

You guys' love for that mediocre children's book is now creepy. Also what's up with you guys' love affair with Coelho? Are Wodehouse novels to complicated for you?
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Like +1 Object -1 riff raff 10 Sep 18, 01:57
You mean Harry Potter, not "Henry potter". There is no need to attempt a formalisation of the title, or to mangle it. But you have probably corrected it, right, for I am but a "recently educated, degree laundering. newly English speaking, Indian millennial"[sic], after all. Wait: if I am degree laundering (whatever that may mean -- I wonder if it is handwashed or machine washed?), can I be counted as educated? Hmm. My brain explodes with the complexities that you present.

I find it hilarious that you find "Harry Potter" a mediocre children's book. I suppose the political underpinnings of the entire series escape you. But then again, for someone who prefers to escape in a bygone era, with zero social commentary and frivolous escapism, Wodehouse is obviously the author of choice. Sadly, as a matter of disclosure, I too confess of a degree of Wodehouse indulgenece. I suppose we all have our vices. Do tell me, comrade, is your inspiration the Empress of Blandings, or are you trying the corner everything around you like Rupert Psmith? Your tone does seem to imply the former...

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Mate you ain't Jordan Belfort and the year ain't 2014. That movie has been irrelevant for almost 2 years. Get with the times daddy-o!
If you actually think of poverty as romantic, you are possibly the one of the most insensitive persons on this planet. I would point you to the works of Bernard Shaw (especially Major Barbara) to support my point, but then you think a four year old quote is obsolete. Poor Mr Shaw doesn't stand a chance.

I also thank you for informing me of my love affair with Coelho. I was unaware of any feelings for him.
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Like +1 Object -0 Jordan Belfort. 13 Sep 18, 13:27
"You mean Harry Potter, not "Henry potter". There is no need to attempt a formalisation of the title, or to mangle it".

There's no need but I wished to do so, mangle it that is.

"But you have probably corrected it, right, for I am but a "recently educated, degree laundering. newly English speaking, Indian millennial"[sic], after all".

No doubt about that. However it wasn't a correction.


"Wait: if I am degree laundering (whatever that may mean)"

It means one who hoards degrees as way to beef up a CV. A common problem in India.

"-- I wonder if it is handwashed or machine washed?)",

They used to be hand washed until quite recently but due to that new EMI scheme they're now machine washed.

"can I be counted as educated?"

Literate yes. Other than that, no. I'm afraid.


"Hmm. My brain explodes with the complexities that you present".

Nothing less could be expected.

"I find it hilarious that you find "Harry Potter" a mediocre children's book.

You would now wouldn't you ? Glad to have brightened your day.

"I suppose the political underpinnings of the entire series escape you".

Of course calling a book mediocre means one hasn't understood it ! May I recommend a Series of Unfortunate Events ? Nothing spectacular, just a solid read.

"But then again, for someone who prefers to escape in a bygone era, with zero social commentary and frivolous escapism",

Silly me wanting to read comedy just for comedy's sake.

"Do tell me, comrade, is your inspiration the Empress of Blandings, or are you trying the corner everything around you like Rupert Psmith? Your tone does seem to imply the former..."

Actually one's not really inspired by fictitious characters. Although Flashman ain't that bad. And Jeeves too but since he's just part of the poor so I guess he's not worthy eh ?

"If you actually think of poverty as romantic, you are possibly the one of the most insensitive persons on this planet. I would point you to the works of Bernard Shaw (especially Major Barbara) to support my point, but then you think a four year old quote is obsolete. Poor Mr Shaw doesn't stand a chance".

Never said I did. I just don't worship the Beaujolais. My quote was a comment about you using a predictably old quote for a point I never made.

You know the poor are not half bad right ? Some of them, just hear me out a moment are quite all right really. Also one can hope for a country where the people aren't subsistence level earners malnourished and stunted as children whilst Mr dacoit and his spawn stuff themselves silly.

And before you say it, yes I'm a champagne socialist. A Bollinger Bolshevik. A Limousine /latte liberal. I think that's how you're wired. Chap has to be a hypocrite right ? Please prove me wrong.

"I also thank you for informing me of my love affair with Coelho. I was unaware of any feelings for him".

Well, I do think you mustn't repress your feelings any longer. It's 2018 go crazy ! You do you as the kids say.
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There's no need but I wished to do so, mangle it that is.
Thank you for proving your arrogance, and my (original) point.

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It means one who hoards degrees as way to beef up a CV. A common problem in India.
What's the matter? CV not good enough?

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"-- I wonder if it is handwashed or machine washed?)", They used to be hand washed until quite recently but due to that new EMI scheme they're now machine washed.
Do they use bleach?

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Literate yes. Other than that, no. I'm afraid.
No great loss, I suppose if you think so. I think that's how you're wired...no need to prove me wrong.

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May I recommend a Series of Unfortunate Events ? Nothing spectacular, just a solid read.
Have read it. Agree: nothing spectacular. Tolerable. Perhaps amusing in bits. It tries to hard to be clever for the sake of being clever. Perhaps it may be appealing to those who prefer Wilde to Shaw.

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Silly me wanting to read comedy just for comedy's sake.
Indeed. Silly to compare it with Harry Potter (primarily a children's fantasy book). A comparison with A Series of Unfortunate Events, or even Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would have been more appropriate. I find it telling that the first thing that came to your mind was Wodehouse, who could be more appropriately compared with Moni Mohsin's Diaries of a Social Butterfly.

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Silly me wanting to read comedy just for comedy's sake.
Your words, not mine!

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You know the poor are not half bad right ? Some of them, just hear me out a moment are quite all right really.
A point we agree on, finally!

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Also one can hope for a country where the people aren't subsistence level earners malnourished and stunted as children whilst Mr dacoit and his spawn stuff themselves silly.
You'd rather "Mr dacoit and his spawn" starve, too?
How about shedding elitism for inclusion instead? How about not ranting about the aspirational who come from tier-2 and tier-3 towns, and don't fit in?

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Well, I do think you mustn't repress your feelings any longer. It's 2018 go crazy ! You do you as the kids say.
I'd rather not, thanks. Hope you aren't projecting?
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Like +0 Object -0 Jordan Belfort 13 Sep 18, 13:44
I will admit, I should've used degree hoarding. I don't mind saying it. However, it is what it is.
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Like +0 Object -0 Jordan Belfort 13 Sep 18, 14:10
"There's no nobility in poverty".

Used by you in a serious manner. A quote said by a despicable character based on a ghastly man who made a fortune by by being a trickster to the working man {penny stocks} afterwards he robs the rich which is still not very good you know. Apart from being a subconscious racist {what did he call the Capt ?} and a cad.

A common petty thief {yep that's all that he was} who thought he was better than others. Anyone regardless of pedigree who does that is not someone who I would quote verbatim in a serious manner. Even if the quote maybe fictional {don't know}.

And you think I romanticise poverty ? You do that's why you wrote what you wrote. However you're wrong. Come on even Freddie Threepwood isn't as dull as you.



"I would point you to the works of Bernard Shaw (especially Major Barbara) to support my point, but then you think a four year old quote is obsolete. Poor Mr Shaw doesn't stand a chance".

Yeah I watched the film. As a piece of pop culture it is old. Maybe a classic, who knows ? The fact that you lazily believe Shaw would be discarded by me for being old really shows that you're grasping at straws.
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Like +0 Object -0 riff raff 14 Sep 18, 01:15
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Used by you in a serious manner. A quote said by a despicable character based on a ghastly man who made a fortune by by being a trickster to the working man {penny stocks} afterwards he robs the rich which is still not very good you know. Apart from being a subconscious racist {what did he call the Capt ?} and a cad. A common petty thief {yep that's all that he was} who thought he was better than others. Anyone regardless of pedigree who does that is not someone who I would quote verbatim in a serious manner. Even if the quote maybe fictional {don't know}.
Wisdom is not the sole preserve of the good. I think that the motivations of people who wish to succeed (often at any cost) escape you. By ignoring the underlying psychology that drives humans to do what they do, very often stems from experience. There is an absurd amount of data that shows how crime correlates with poverty: it often stems from necessity. Anyone who has been poor, or has experienced poverty is shorn of dignity, and does not care for morals. Would you, if your child were starving? That I quote an unsavoury character is to highlight this, but just as you cannot see below the surface of the obvious themes of racism and courage in Harry Potter (such as the surveillance systems, taboo monitoring (social media monitoring anyone?), and the muggle born registration commission), you obviously could not pick up the undertones of the quote.

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And you think I romanticise poverty ?
Thank Heavens, you don't!

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Yeah I watched the film. As a piece of pop culture it is old. Maybe a classic, who knows ?
Much like My Fair Lady that massacred Pygmalion, that film also starring Rex Harrison, was rubbish.

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The fact that you lazily believe Shaw would be discarded by me for being old really shows that you're grasping at straws.
In millennial textspeak: lmfao
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Like +0 Object -0 Jordan Belfort 13 Sep 18, 15:23
"I find it hilarious that you find "Harry Potter" a mediocre children's book. I suppose the political underpinnings of the entire series escape you".

Wow ! That book makes rather rudimentary analogies to racism with the pure blood Malfoys looking down on the mudblood Hermione, and consequently hate on Henry P and the wolselys, keeping that doby slave, the Black family almost killing themselves due to their inbreeding, Cyrus black rebelling against it and the the mixed race HP is the saviour.

And that oh so great portrayal of Dumbledore as some former Nazi who is disillusioned by Voldy.

I guess it could be compared to Trotsky {Dumbledore} getting disillusioned by Stalin {Voldy} and instead this time Trotsky is triumphant.

This is the social commentary you want ? A child's book indeed.
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Like +0 Object -1 riff raff 14 Sep 18, 01:21
Are you the author of "My Immortal"? If so, please give me your autograph. Make it out to Coelholvrr21

Also, I regret to say that I shall not be replying to any further messages related to this thread. Besides being a rather amusing waste of time, I am sure Kian has also had enough!
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Like +1 Object -0 Jordan Belfort 14 Sep 18, 12:38
" Anyone who has been poor, or has experienced poverty is shorn of dignity, and does not care for morals. Would you, if your child were starving? That I quote an unsavoury character is to highlight this",

Belfort wasn't starving nor were his children. He was a greedy thief. And I wouldn't wish to become a multimillionaire through thievery like him. Especially by stealing from my own fellow poor citizens. Again a lot of poor in this country are as if not more moral than most of their fellow citizens. Certainly more moral than the Mr dacoit.

Why are you so bigoted that you assume all of the poor are as immoral as you think ?

"You'd rather "Mr dacoit and his spawn" starve, too?"

Never said that. Again you're deeply disturbed if you think I wish physical harm on anyone including the new money. Just want a fairer republic.


"How about shedding elitism for inclusion instead?"

How about this country do that exactly instead of perpetuating VIP culture ?


"How about not ranting about the aspirational who come from tier-2 and tier-3 towns, and don't fit in?"

Never said anything about their not fitting in. As usual you misunderstood the point I was making. You can't help it. I haven't accused you of being anti poor just cause youre against my being snobbish to the 1% here who are mostly are dacoits.
I despise how our civil service is more or less a corrupt machine that steals the hard earnt money of the citizenry. Most of these kids who aspire to join it end up perpetuating poverty and of course become a bunch of uppity thieves just like their political masters.

"Thank Heavens, you don't!
Well I'm glad you're relieved.

"Silly to compare it with Harry Potter (primarily a children's fantasy book). A comparison with A Series of Unfortunate Events, or even Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would have been more appropriate".

My original point was how HP is adored either as serious book for adults or a recreational one by you lot. On all counts as a book for teens and adults its neither funny, stimulating or even funny as I assume certain fantasy novels would be funny. Thus I mentioned Wodehouse as a comedic author for those who wish to branch out.


"Thank you for proving your arrogance, and my (original) point".


You're welcome. I'm an elitist towards the corrupt businessmen, politicians et al who make up the nouveau riche here. Glad to see you're standing up for a minority.

" No great loss, I suppose if you think so. I think that's how you're wired...no need to prove me wrong".

Why would I prove anything to you ? I don't think much of you and you vice versa I hope.

"Perhaps it may be appealing to those who prefer Wilde to Shaw".

OK. Both were wildly different when subject matter was concerned.

Only similarities were that they were Irish playwrights.

"but just as you cannot see below the surface of the obvious themes of racism and courage in Harry Potter (such as the surveillance systems, taboo monitoring (social media monitoring anyone?), and the muggle born registration commission),"

Good God man you've given that book a lot of thought. Good for you I guess.... I just read Wodehouse, laugh and move on.

"you obviously could not pick up the undertones of the quote".

I did. The whole scene was disgusting. And this quote isolated whilst pithy is nothing great. Few will argue that the poor deserved to be clad in ermine. Although some religions may disagree. By and large this quote is just blah..


" Also, I regret to say that I shall not be replying to any further messages related to this thread".

OK. As you wish. It is a relatively free country
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Like +0 Object -0 Jordan Belfort. 13 Sep 18, 17:12
Launder - "Alter (information) to make it appear more acceptable".

You chase degrees which are ostensibly to educate yet you pursue them to beef up the portfolio. And then of course lie about it or launder.
That's why degree laundering was used.
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Like +0 Object -0 Jordan Belfort. 13 Sep 18, 17:15
"is your inspiration the Empress of Blandings, ... Your tone does seem to imply the former".

David Cameron, is that you ?
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Like +18 Object -6 kolaghat 22 Aug 18, 15:48  interesting  top rated  controversial
I can understand if NLIU and NUJS students mass downvote this comment but it is absolutely true. All those working in law firms and suffering the terrible interns know this. You can't even ask these people to write a decent research note but they are full of attitude becuse they take it for granted that they will land something from unsuspecting companies in day zero. GLC students are unassuming, hard working, and available to train throughout the year. NLUs are doomed unless the students change their attitude and start working hard again. Rent seeking will not go on forever.
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Like +4 Object -7 Guest 22 Aug 18, 17:02
If the interns are so bad, exactly why are they getting PPOs every year again? Also, 'unsuspecting companies' on Day Zero? Law firms are the major recruiters on that day and those firms have already seen these interns. If they aren't happy, is there a single reason why they would recruit these people at all instead of filling all available slots with other students from places like GLC. Not as if firms have NLU quota to fill, that too from certain NLUs only. I won't say overall quality hasn't come down, but that's true for everywhere, not simply NLUs. Even an average GLC student will be found to be worse than their counterpart a decade back, probably. Only that can explain the continuing dominance of NLUs in the recruitment scene. If GLC model is the right one, then law firms may as well push for distance education law degrees, since clearly nothing of worth happens at the college anyway.
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Like +8 Object -3 kistawar 22 Aug 18, 19:51  interesting
Yes we hire a bunch of first-year associates knowing fully well that we will fire half of them or maybe more in less than a year. The beauty is that we do not even have to fire, most will leave on their own. Most law firms are already preferring to hire high performing interns. Still, we go to some of the law schools for campussing as an old ritual. But it is proving more and more fruitless every year. Go ask your recruiting partners.

@Kian why don't you do a story on this. Talk to recruiting partners and ask them who they prefer to hire more. Good interns or people they havent seen much (a month doesn't count) from campuses of top 4 law schools.
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You are putting too much faith on student quality simply because they are available round the year to intern. I have had plenty of GLC students intern at my workplace. Some are good, most are average or sub-par at best. Are the good ones comparable to the good interns we get from NLUs? Certainly. However, the average is still not comparable. Law firms always preferred to hire high-performing interns. The key word is high-performing. Simple availability doesn't automatically translate into quality, which is an assumption that you seem to be making. The old ritual that you are referring to, for a fruitless one, is still producing an increasing number of recruitment every year, which doesn't get explained by your argument. It should be dwindling, right, if it's just for form's sake? And if you supervise an intern properly, one month is time enough to figure out whether you wish to hire that person, at least for the near future.
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Like +6 Object -1 Orca 23 Aug 18, 11:16  interesting
In my experience at least, if I train someone for my work for 2 months they are much better in their 3rd month compared 90% NLU students who will not be able to spend so much time in one firm. and if he or she continues for the rest of the year, he or she is 10 times more valuable and useful to the firm compared to some NLU graduate whose daddy paid 3 lakhs per year to send him to a party college with professors who know nothing about practice of law. What make NLU students better quality than anybody else? I am yet to discover. GLC boasts of far more partners and associates in top law firms in this country compared to NUJS or NLiU or even NLSIU for that matter. And recruitment from campus is dwindling as overall percentage of recruitment.
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Like +1 Object -4 Guest 23 Aug 18, 15:33
A simple fact will counter your argument. Your model fails to explain why your firm doesn't only take year round GLC interns and recruit from them only. You keep throwing terms like rent seeking, which doesn't get reflected in your model. Take only GLC interns, train them throughout the year, and give them jobs. Why take NLU interns or give them jobs at all, let alone in increasing number over the years then? Nowhere professors know any law, only your training counts, I agree to that for the sake of argument. Then why not simply rely on your training? Maybe you should ask your recruiting partner that? Indian law firms' on the job training is a myth. In your opinion, learning to draft 3 particular categories of contract (rather copy pasting from earlier templates) satisfies all requirements of legal education. It doesn't. As for GLC having more partners than NLUs, you do realise it predates all of them, right? The question should instead be out of a given GLC batch, what percentage ultimately gets recruited by top tier firms every year compared to a top tier NLU.
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Like +2 Object -0 Orca 23 Aug 18, 11:20
And NLU brand stands severely diluted as it is since we have over 30 NLUs, with most of them producing absolute drivel quality lawyers. If you are at NUJS or NLIU, hope that your batch continues to get good recruitment because it probably won't last after a few years given the rent seeking behaviour current students are displaying.
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Like +1 Object -2 Guest 23 Aug 18, 15:35
You simply keep naming 2 NLUs. In your opinion, all the others are churning out Palkhivalas by the dozen? Or even better, similar stalwarts like GLC? That's a joke!
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Like +4 Object -0 Guest 22 Aug 18, 20:49
Most leave on their own not because they cannot cut it, but because Indian law firms have little to offer to bright people, other than money and a completely screwed up worklife and terrible work atmosphere.
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Like +2 Object -0 Where 23 Aug 18, 13:12
Leave and go where, exactly? NLU kids jump around a lot, but it's from law firm to law firm. It's not like they're out there bootstrapping startups to stimulate their brains
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Like +1 Object -1 Guest 23 Aug 18, 15:36
Right. Because start ups only hire from GLC instead.
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Like +5 Object -0 GLC 23 Aug 18, 20:40  interesting
I really don't think there is much difference in the student output of good NLUs and GLC.

I also don't think the internship advantage will be affected much by the new MU policy. Indeed, if implemented well (depends on how well internals are assessed), it may actually improve critical thinking, research and debating skills of students, bringing the curriculum closer to the NLUs' socratic approach.

GLC may actually end up with a massive advantage because with classes predominantly in the morning (they get over by about 10 - 10:30 am), students still have time to intern. This is true for many other law colleges affiliated to MU as well. Moreover, if attendance is not implemented, but project work is scheduled well, students can easily get the best of both worlds - critical thinking based assessments that belong in the current era, and the rigourous (though arguably obsolete) exam system that tests memory as well as application (MU LLB pass percentage is notoriously low, and first class marks are quite a rarity). Combine this with the internship advantage that Mumbai (and college timings) gives students, I think GLC may return to its glory days.

As far as infrastructure is concerned, besides access to online journals, and perhaps access to the college VPN to obtain journal access outside of college hours, GLC's infrastructure is adequate. Some of the teaching staff is quite impressive as well. If the permanent faculty were of the same standard, I honestly think that GLC could leave all the NLUs behind.

Also:

We don't only get hired by start ups, we start up our own ventures as well. Indeed, an entrepreneurship and leadership cell was launched last year, and GLC students are working towards creating a support ecosystem akin to IIT Bombay's SINE that could support legal start ups as well as tie up with incubators and accelerators. We had quite a successful inaugural start up fest in March, where we invited start up founders, advisors and lawyers specialising in SMEs and start ups. The fest had concluded with a competition judged by the co-founder of a start up incubator.

I am not aware of NLU culture, and cannot comment on whether they are working on something like this, but I really love the opportunities that GLC has presented me in allowing me to have the flexibility to study whilst pursuing my entrepreneurial ambitions. That said, lawoctupus did come out of NUJS, so I suppose NLU students are probably not particularly different.
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Like +4 Object -0 Critic 23 Aug 18, 01:04
Kian, this is another example of your shoot and scoot journalism. You raise an important point, get people fired up and then forget the story -- no follow up, no bigger in-depth analysis. In this case, the bigger issues clearly concern the question of how well law schools are preparing students with practical knowledge, what law firms are looking for etc. It's also linked to the quality of teaching.
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Like +1 Object -5 NLIU Ex-Student 23 Aug 18, 15:31
Wow! I can't actually believe that GLC students are dissing on NLIU and NUJS students. I have actually met a few of them(GLC Students) during my internships at Tier 1 Law Firms and while some of them were decent, most of them are mediocre and average at the best. Also, most of them did not end up getting jobs at the same law firm where they had been interning for ages while my batchmates got PPOs from those firms after their internship. And no, while the NLIU brand value may have had some role to play, most of these students made the cut because of the review which they received from their teams. You can keep blaming "The NLU brand value" but the truth is some of these students were hired by GLC partners themselves, while they overlooked their own University students.

Also, what is GLC's performance vis a vis NLIU students when we come up head to head at Intervarsity competitions? NLIU in the past 2 years itself has made it twice to the World rounds of Jessup (Quarters and Pre-Quarters) Broke 2 years in a row at Vis Vienna and achieved HMs at Vis moots. I could go on and on about other International moots(Ox Price, Commonwealth, Frankfurt, FDI, HSF etc) or ADR tournaments (ICC Paris) or N number of Inter-Varsity legal competitions where we regularly beat GLC students day in and day out. You think the law firms don't see or care about these things. NLIU students are getting published regularly at International journals and blogs, you think that has no industry impact? Let's be honest, we beat you at all competitions and we beat you at internships and that's not because of some branding value which you allege us to have, its due to the hard work and dedication of our students. You South Bombay kids have fancier accents though. Too bad that is not enough to make the cut.

N.B. Not that NLIU kids can be complacent though. We have to be well aware of our shortcomings and we have to make significant changes within the University and the mindset of our students so that our reputation remains intact and improves in the market. The post-S.S. Singh era looks promising though. Let's keep working hard so we can keep or detractors wrong.
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Like +7 Object -2 Who cares ??? 23 Aug 18, 16:45  interesting
Jessup began in the 60s went international on 68. Yet Jonathan Sumption who was called in 75 fared quite well without Jessup.

Moot court is highly overrated. Keep on patting yourself on your backs however at the thought of your triumphs at Jessup and other moots. All you NLU chaps who moot are QCs and Wahctell partners in the making. I'm sure.

As for your point about you lot's contribution to international journals and blogs ( yep blogs can't believe you actually said that) this is what the NYT has written about your precious in 2007 www.nytimes.com/2007/03/19/us/19bar.html

It also wrote another article In 2013 www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/us/law-scholarships-lackluster-reviews.html

The above article ridicules law students and law reviews by asking whether anyone would trust a medical journal written by medical students and not doctors. But hey I'm sure you'll dispute that huh ?

You think law reviews/ journals and blogs have industry impact ? They don't and that's what leading jurists have told NYT, but I'm sure you know better.

The law is a vocation. Don't forget it. You wanna wear tweed and pretend to engage in intellectual pursuits ? Go become an historian, physicist or classicist.

We have fancier accents ? Who cares about accents ? Apparently you lot do. Insecure... Nah how can you lot be insecure ? You're such splendid legal minds. We plebs can't even bear to look you in the eye before tugging our forelocks.
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Like +3 Object -5 Guest 23 Aug 18, 17:24
I have a simple question. Let us agree that moot courts prove nothing. Publications prove nothing. What does exactly, in your opinion? The main question was regarding law firm recruitment. I doubt any GLC batch shows higher recruitment percentage compared to top tier NLUs in any year. This despite the very illegal advantage of bunking class and interning round the year. No matter how you look at it, it's still illegal, by the way. Even then it doesn't give the graduates a better result in terms of numbers at least. Next you will say GLC students opt for private practice only. That doesn't explain the law firm internships though. Now if you can provide stats that majority GLC students don't intern or apply for internships at law firms at all in 5 years, but simply opts for litigating instead on graduation, then yes, I'll accept that. But in that field, comparison is difficult, since bulk of NLU students don't opt for private practice because of multiple reasons, high fees certainly one of them. Maybe provide stats for eminent senior counsels outside Mumbai taking more juniors from GLC than from NLUs? If you can do that, I'll certainly believe your point, but not otherwise. It's not as if your students don't try to participate in moot courts or write papers because they don't believe like you that those matter. They certainly try. So don't be an obvious case of sour grapes.
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Like +5 Object -2 Guest 13 23 Aug 18, 18:06
Glad that we agree moots and law review are useless. Read the NYT articles, 43% of LR articles aren't even cited.

As for attendance just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's unethical. For centuries people read law with eminent lawyers. Eg - Honest Abe, Sir Edward Coke etc.

NLU try hards believe that they are by default vastly superior. I wished to demolished such lofty and vain thinking. Looks like I've succeeded.

Individual practioners hardly have websites. The solo advocate scene is scattered, informal and offline. How can one provide stats which shall identify the number of GLC grads who work in advocates chambers outside of Bombay ? You already know this yet you asked this question.

As to what in my opinion proves the worth of a law student ? My answer is that it's not my place to have an opinion.

I believe in individuals. NLUites need collective identity to fill some holes or for some sort of gratification. GLCites don't.

We know each other before we step foot either through school or family contacts. And that's enough for us.

Also because you lot shamelessly follow the dollar here's a recent LI article about partnership breakdown via institutes.

Since this is what matters most to you lot -

www.legallyindia.com/law-firms/symbiosis-comes-closes-to-law-firm-superpower-nls-bangalore-in-2015-16-partnership-promotions-20160524-7635
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 23 Aug 18, 18:22
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What other GLC students do is of no consequence. Whether GLC students are recruited and the percentage matters little to most GLC students.

We don't live vicariously through our batchmates unlike you lot who suffer from IIT envy.

You need to stop living in the world of "we". Unless of course you lot refer to yourselves in the majestic plural.

If Glc students moot or write papers more power to them. No skin of my back. And it won't change my views.
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Like +2 Object -3 Guest 23 Aug 18, 19:54
For someone who says he doesn't believe in collective identity, you seem to be making a lot of claims on behalf of GLCites. Maybe the fallacy would have been apparent to you if you spent some time paying attention in classrooms rather than 'reading law with lawyers'. You have a problem with NLU students referring to themselves as 'we', yet your immediately preceding paragraph makes a 'we claim' like other parts of your rant.
Yes, I asked the question knowing well that you can't provide stats. It is to make a point that you shouldn't make any claim without foundation. I haven't actually claimed anywhere that any NLU student is inherently superior to any GLC student. If that makes you feel I've an 'IIT complex', whatever that means, it's actually you who seem to be having an inferiority complex.
So far, you haven't managed to answer a single question that I have asked. Just one additional question in passing. If the opportunity to study at any top tier NLU is made available to any student who's chosen GLC, including finance, how many do you think would choose GLC over an NLU? Maybe you should ask that first to figure out which model is actually the preferred one. Carry out a survey among GLC students, maybe? Or are you that worried about the emerging stats? "Just because something is illegal, it is not unethical" - Err...bribery and using influence to manipulate attendance percentage have become ethical now? If you wish to deal ethically, challenge the BCI Rule about attendance and then go ahead. Or does GLC cite in its attendance record that it allows students to appear for exams with 10% attendance? Get off your ethical high horse, because it is a lame one. Maybe your sense of ethics has also come from 'reading ethics with eminent lawyers'.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 23 Aug 18, 21:35
To the poster @ guest 23 Aug 18 19:54

Let me answer everything you said in 9.1.1.2-

You said - "Just one additional question in passing. If the opportunity to study at any top tier NLU is made available to any student who's chosen GLC, including finance, how many do you think would choose GLC over an NLU? Maybe you should ask that first to figure out which model is actually the preferred one. Carry out a survey among GLC students, maybe? Or are you that worried about the emerging stats?"


This entire exchange of mine began when the first comment was whining about GLC students stealing jobs and the other about bribery. Also I wanted to bring some rather vain NLu chaps back to Earth who claim superiority on the basis of collective achievements which in my view is a rather silly thing. Similar to the jingoism.

I couldn't give two hoots what the majority would do in this hypothetical situation of yours. I wouldn't. I like Bombay and the crowd. Believe me or don't believe me. It is a relatively free country.


You said " paying attention in classrooms rather than 'reading law with lawyers'".

I cited an example of an historical practice that was in vogue until the early 20th century. Never said I undertook this method of study. Basic stuff.

The IIT comment was directed to the ex nluite fellow. Apologies if the message reached you.

You said "For someone who says he doesn't believe in collective identity, you seem to be making a lot of claims on behalf of GLCites".

Never did. Only used we when someone said something about accents. Used we when referring to my friends who make up a negligible % of students in the college. Also you're indulging in whataboutery and no true Scotsman.

You said - "Yes, I asked the question knowing well that you can't provide stats".

I did I linked this article

www.legallyindia.com/law-firms/symbiosis-comes-closes-to-law-firm-superpower-nls-bangalore-in-2015-16-partnership-promotions
Which by the way is something I never bragged about. Why would I ? How does it matter to me ?

You said "So far, you haven't managed to answer a single question that I have asked".

I actually did. If I haven't answered a particular question ask again.

You said - "Err...bribery and using influence to manipulate attendance percentage have become ethical now?"

Never said I bribed anything. I just said that to me bunking lectures isn't that unethical. And I still hold that view because this India a relatively free country.


You said - "Get off your ethical high horse, because it is a lame one. Maybe your sense of ethics has also come from 'reading ethics with eminent lawyers'".

Again learn how to read and comprehend Shakespeare's tongue. I cited an historical practice of learning the law. Not philosophy. Nor did I say I took part or intend to take part in it.

Now pray, let me ask you a few questions.

What do you think about NYT has to say about law journals ?

What do you have to say about my assertion that excellence in mooting int'l law doesn't make one a great advocate and my citing of a contemporary legend and justice of the UK supreme court.

I've been relatively respectful and dignified whilst replying to your questions and rant. I hope you shall do the same.

If you choose to reply please type @ guest 13. Or the number and time of my comment.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 23 Aug 18, 22:29
@ Guest In Comment 9.1.1.2.

You said in comment 9.1.1 " I have a simple question. Let us agree that moot courts prove nothing. Publications prove nothing. What does exactly, in your opinion"?

I stated in my succeeding comment 9.1.1.1 - "As to what in my opinion proves the worth of a law student ? My answer is that it's not my place to have an opinion". Like it or not, that's an answer. You asked for my opinion and I stated it.

You said in Comment 9.1.1. - " The main question was regarding law firm recruitment".

There was no such question. This post led to a person saying NLUites are robbed of jobs. I rebutted that and the comment made by NILU ex student.


You said in Comment 9.1.1. - "Maybe provide stats for eminent senior counsels outside Mumbai taking more juniors from GLC than from NLUs?"

I answered this in comment 9.1.1.1. - "Individual practioners hardly have websites. The solo advocate scene is scattered, informal and offline. How can one provide stats which shall identify the number of GLC grads who work in advocates chambers outside of Bombay ? You already know this yet you asked this question".


Yet you then however claim, in comment 9.1.1.2. - "So far, you haven't managed to answer a single question that I have asked".

Which is patently untrue. First you pretented to ask my opinion which I stated. So that question's subsequent answer proves that you're either a liar or wilfully ignoring my answer.

Next you asked for stats about how many out of town Snr Counsels hire GLC grads to which I gave a reasonable reply that such numbers can't be states due to the informal and old fashioned and guarded nature of solo practitioners in India.

So please explain to me as to how I didn't answer a SINGLE question that you asked.
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Like +2 Object -2 deflection 24 Aug 18, 02:01
"If that makes you feel I've an 'IIT complex', whatever that means, ".

It means you're jealous of the fact that you're just a bunch of paper pushers/future dodoes. And it was envy not complex.


"it's actually you who seem to be having an inferiority complex"


Oh why do you NLU wallahs continue to speak pidgin English ? One doesn't have an inferiority complex one suffers from it. Basic stuff man.
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Like +2 Object -3 NLIU Ex-studentn 23 Aug 18, 18:01
Of course! Mooting performances are irrelevant. Academic Publications are meaningless. NLU students' superior PPO numbers and performances compared to GLC chaps are inconsequential. However, the same GLC kids who get outclassed by NLU students during their law school days somehow suddenly become superior lawyers as soon as they enter into the market.

I like your style though. You clearly know thhttps://www.legallyindi a.com/lawschools/glc-mumb ai-mumbai-uni-law-student s-under-internal-assessme nt-net-now-20180821-9493# at the today's GLC students can't compete with top-tier NLU kids in any law school activity so you instead chose to assail the activities and its relevance in the first place. My oh my aren't you a wily lawyer in making?
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Like +2 Object -2 No rebuttals eh ? 23 Aug 18, 19:56
"Of course! Mooting performances are irrelevant. Academic Publications are meaningless".

Did you read the NYT articles ?

Law publications ARE by and large useless. The law is a vocation. A profession. Don't make it into a boring academic subject.


Mooting isn't a guarantee that you're the best of the best. Like I stated look at Sumption and other Indian Seniors and foreign QCs.

LI has published partnership stats by college in 2016. I've linked them in my previous comments. Take that for what you will. I however couldn't care less.

Do you have any arguments to disprove and demolish the points I make above ?


Again a reminder, stop living vicariously through your classmates. You're no different than the patriot whose behaviour is the last refuge of the scoundrel. That's not something I said but Dr Johnson.

"My oh my aren't you a wily lawyer in making?"

Why thank you.
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Like +1 Object -3 Well 23 Aug 18, 20:48
Geez man did the NLS journal shoot down your paper at the first stage or something? Law as a vocation is based on jurisprudence and jurisprudence is born out of theory. Do you shut your ears and hum every time a Lord Dennings quote is brought up? All I'm getting from your overt flamboyance is that the GLC tag makes its students defensive.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 24 Aug 18, 03:24
You said " Geez man did the NLS journal shoot down your paper at the first stage or something?"

No.

You said " Do you shut your ears and hum every time a Lord Dennings quote is brought up?"

No. Quite like his judgement in the High Trees case.

Read these articles - www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/us/law-scholarships-lackluster-reviews.html

www.nytimes.com/2007/03/19/us/19bar.html


Hey, but it is only The New York Times who quote a federal appeals court judge and a former Solicitor General. What do they know right?
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Like +3 Object -0 Guest 13 24 Aug 18, 03:40
You @9.1.2.3... said "GLC tag makes its students defensive".

This article mentioned no other institute except GLC. Yet the very first comment was this -

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This is long overdue. GLC students cheat the system and steal jobs from more deserving candidates from NLUs, who honestly attend lectures and undergo more rigorous academic training. This is one of the reasons why skills like research, writing and critical thinking (highly prized abroad) are devalued in Bombay -- because the GLC crowd never went to law school and learnt the law through "jugaad".

Sadly, the GLC people will still get away despite the new rule. Attendance marks will probably note be more than 5%, the students can bribe staff and get attendance anyway, the projects will not be evaluated rigorously like in NLUs, and most of all the admin will ultimately not upset things too much as they also know this is why GLC attracts students".

Oh the irony...
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Like +2 Object -0 Rag 26 Aug 18, 22:52
NLS Journal ?

Who'd want to write for that squalid little rag ?
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Like +0 Object -4 NLIU Ex-student 23 Aug 18, 21:17
I have relied on objective statistics to prove how NLIU students fare better than GLC students in every metric possible. The only statistical evidence you could come up with was a comparison of the number of partners by law schools. Any idiot would know that GLC has more partners because GLC was established in 1855, a good 143 years before NLIU and NUJS were established. With such logical reasoning skills its no wonder that you never made it through CLAT. The very fact that NLUs have higher recruitments than GLC in the very same firms where there are so many GLC partners show that your own GLC partners agree and rely upon the NLU students because of the superior quality of students.

Also, none of us needs to live vicariously through our classmates. I got recruited by a Tier 1 law firm and did decently well for myself while I was in law school. I am sure so many GLC grads do well too. I feel bad for you though. With your logical abilities, I see tougher times ahead for you.
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 13. 24 Aug 18, 02:53
In reply to 9.1.2.3. NLIU Ex-student 23 Aug 18, 21:17.

Your previous comment mentioned how you lot excel at moots and how you publish in BLOGS and journals which have industry impact. That claim was patently false. I say that with confidence my argument is buttressed by the 2 NYT articles I linked.

So yeah you chaps publish in legal journals. 43% of articles aren't even read. Ha ! Enjoy that. Like I said the law is a profession. You want research ? Be a doctor, an historian or economist.



I don't care how many Glcites receive job offers. Good for them if they do. I linked the partner article because apparently you lot fetishise these things. Reality is once you get your foot in the door your college means didly squat. Also law firms aren't making 80 yr old people partners. Anyway I don't care.


You said "Also, none of us needs to live vicariously through our classmates. I got recruited by a Tier 1 law firm and did decently well for myself while I was in law school".

Why would someone type this online ? How low is your sense of self esteem and worth that you try to covet adulation, awe and envy from strangers online ?

Don't worry about me. Or do. I don't care. It is I must admit, kinda sweet you feel bad for me.


This entire Brouhaha began because the very first comment was some NlU wallah birching. That's a fact. Here's the comment, I've emphasised his bitching via CAPS -

"1 Guest 21 Aug 18, 21:11
This is long overdue. GLC STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM AND STEAL JOBS FROM MORE DESERVING CANDIDATES FROM NLUS who honestly attend lectures and undergo more rigorous academic training. This is one of the reasons why skills like research, writing and critical thinking (highly prized abroad) are devalued in Bombay -- because the GLC crowd never went to law school and learnt the law through "jugaad".

Sadly, the GLC people will still get away despite the new rule. Attendance marks will probably note be more than 5%, the students can bribe staff and get attendance anyway, the projects will not be evaluated rigorously like in NLUs, and most of all the admin will ultimately not upset things too much as they also know this is why GLC attracts students.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 24 Aug 18, 03:33
You said "With your logical abilities, I see tougher times ahead for you".

Why didn't you tell me that you're the Pythia ? Gosh I've so many questions !
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Like +1 Object -2 NLIU Ex-Student 23 Aug 18, 17:05
*keep proving our
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Like +4 Object -2 Shock. 23 Aug 18, 17:44
I know this will be rather shocking to you NLUI ex student , but you lot have no detractors because by any metric you lot are insignificant. You just are.

Accept it and move on.
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Like +1 Object -3 NLIU Ex-student 23 Aug 18, 21:30
Yes! We are so insignificant that in an article which has nothing to do with NLIU, insecure GLC students drag the name of NLIU, just to add salve to their false sense of security that things would soon improve for GLC not cause they are doing better but because they hope that standards at NLIU, NUJS etc would fall down soon. I suggest you read comments 4, 6, 7.1.1 and 7.1.2.

Let's face it bruh, most of you GLC commentators here are petty, insecure people who didn't make it through these top NLUs. If there's a place which is truly inconsequential it's GLC. Whether you like it or not, it's now a hub of NLU rejects.

Accept it and move on
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 24 Aug 18, 02:31
You said -"Yes! We are so insignificant that in an article which has nothing to do with NLIU, insecure GLC students drag the name of NLIU, just to add salve to their false sense of security that".

The very first comment was some NLU chap bitching. So either you're blind or.... Who knows.

Don't care whether GLC improves or not.
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Like +3 Object -1 Bakwas 23 Aug 18, 17:07
NLSIU/NLU = Drugs+Sexual Harassment specialisation
Looks like from reported articles
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Like +4 Object -3 Guest 23 Aug 18, 18:05
I agree with the above comments. Here are my views:

Truth about GLC: Once a great institution with illustrious alumni, now a den of mediocre students and terrible faculty, whose lectures students don't even feel worth attending. Quite similar to DU.

Truth about NLUs: They have their faults, but are still superior to GLC. In the case of the top 7-8 NLUs they are a hundred times better, in the case of lower ranked NLUs the difference narrows. However, the quality of students at NLUs is no doubt going down ever since the introduction of more caste/domicile/NRI quotas, and ever since CLAT became a Kota coaching factory entrance exam. NLUs are getting flooded with male, Hindi-speaking coaching factory products from small towns, with regressive social views and poor communication skills. The type of people who support RSS and post Angry Hanuman posters on their door.
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Like +4 Object -3 Speak for yourself. 23 Aug 18, 19:59
Speak for yourself. GLC is far from mediocre.
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Like +2 Object -1 GLC Best 25 Aug 18, 15:17
I agree with the Hindi speaking coaching factory part but please dont get the God inbetween.

And in addition to the Hindi ones there are those fake American accent ones from NLSIU who suffer from inferiority complex and put up a fake American accent.

GLC is an Institution not an ordinary college.

GLC will always remain the best.
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Like +5 Object -0 Chameli 23 Aug 18, 18:43  interesting
Intake from NLU campussing will definitely reduce. In fact, law firms have grown a lot but hiring from campus hasn't significantly increased over the years. Most of the NLUs are of pathetic quality. Ranchi, Patiala, Shimla, Ourangabad and what not. patna NLU students hardly get any jobs. NUJS is in total doldrums, makes it to legallyindia every week for wrong reasons. It doesnt even have a proper administration. NLUs are going down, generally speaking. Some of them are going down faster than others.
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Like +3 Object -4 Guest 23 Aug 18, 20:01
That place in doldrums has had a record day zero placement 3 months back, as in among all NLUs and traditional law colleges. But just like some others here, you seem to have an aversion to statistics or facts. Ah well, haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate.
'Hiring from campus hasn't significantly increased' - again, give the stats, pal! The LI comments section seems like political parties' IT Cell now.
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Like +4 Object -2 Chameli 23 Aug 18, 18:44
GLC students make more money in litigation and arbitration. NLU students have no chance.
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Like +6 Object -4 Guest 23 Aug 18, 20:35
GLC students have got it all. Money, fame, power. With photos worshipped daily in every NLU classroom. There you go. Happy now? :)
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 23 Aug 18, 22:57
Spoken like a roadside Romeo.

Please don't blaspheme.
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Like +5 Object -1 Guest 23 Aug 18, 21:12
All these idiots are bickering here, and people from GLC and NLUs are working together or against each other fairly amicably in the real world where it counts. Idiots like these don't realise that once you graduate, nobody further cares where you are coming from even 6 months after that. You have to make it on your own and based on your own ability. NOTHING else counts. Pedigree is for show dogs/horses, not lawyers.
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 13 24 Aug 18, 03:26
I agree with you.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 23 Aug 18, 23:46
Kian, are you listening? This is once again raising issues of which law schools gives best training, employment prospects, rankings etc. When will LI do a story on this and make it clear which law school ranks where?
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Like +2 Object -0 Guest 24 Aug 18, 11:08
Never. Because it is not qualified to do so.
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