Bombay solicitors fail rate spikes back to 96% but record numbers take tests anyway

Pencils at the ready, set and fail?
Pencils at the ready, set and fail?
Exclusive: Only seven out of 196 or less than 4 per cent of examinees passed the latest Bombay Incorporated Law Society’s solicitors examination, erasing April’s temporary spike in pass rates to 7 per cent and showcasing undiminished demand for the qualification.

In the October 2011 session two out of seven candidates cleared the exam in their first attempt.

However, the most recent pass rate of 4 per cent is a return to traditional territory, after the April 2011 sessions saw 7 per cent pass – a higher rate than any reported by Legally India since December 2009.

“April 2011 exams results were a bit better then previous exams - out of 215 candidates 16 were declared successful,” confirmed Bombay Incorporated Law Society examiner in charge Dawood Mandviwala.

October 2010 witnessed an all-time reported low in pass rates, which dropped to 2 per cent (four out of 205 candidates, including two first-timers).

In April 2010 the figure was at around 6 per cent again, with 11 out of 171 lawyers having passed.

Mandviwala added that new initiatives would take place in future. “I have proposed to begin with orientation programmes and conduct seminars especially designed for articled clerks, which will give guideline and imparts in-depth knowledge of the subject in which they are to be examined.”

Comments

Delhi Lawyer 12 Jan 2012, 07:53
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useless exam !!
Rahul 12 Jan 2012, 08:50
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"Delhi Lawyer" dude u really dont know the importance of this exam....hen u will sit u will know hw hard u have to prepare for this....the result of this exam and the difficulty level is much much higher than the Advocate on record exam.....so dont put shit comments when u dont knw abt this..!!!
xxx 12 Jan 2012, 09:21
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Scrap this. Creates an unnecessary divide between solicitors and non-solicitors.
Delhi Lawyer 12 Jan 2012, 10:26
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@ Rahul - Yes you are right its difficult to mug up and vomit the same in the exam :-)
aaaa 12 Jan 2012, 11:33
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ROTFLMAO. What a joke. Exam for useless people, of useless people, by useless people.
Articled 12 Jan 2012, 11:50
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@ Delhi Lawyer: your statements show you have no idea about the exam. If you thought all thats required is mugging, then you need to get your head checked.
@aaaa: a case of sour grapes?
BLR 12 Jan 2012, 18:43
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Whatever anyone from Delhi may say, the exam is here to stay,
"Advocates and Solicitors" is a sub-title that neither Amarchand nor AZB will ever give away, Solicitors are still a big thing in Bombay
Confused 12 Jan 2012, 20:16
+2 -1
OK, I get it. Passing this exam is a big deal. Great.
Question is, what does passing this exam allow you to do that you cannot do with an LLB and admission to the bar?
Do the solicitors get any special representation rights? before any special forums? Please enlighten me.
N-law 13 Jan 2012, 06:42
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Hoards of grads from NLUs practice in top firms in Mumbai – without taking this exam. Some of them are partners! So it doesnt really matter for them. Then why for Mumbai grads? Just a market thing?
Delhi Lawyer 13 Jan 2012, 06:45
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@ Articled - So you value the rules of a Society created under Societies Registration Act more than the laws as per the Advocates Act ? This shows your understanding of law :-)Many lawyers in Delhi and Bangalore earn more than a partner (also a solicitor) of a Bombay law firm. So, it doesn't matter whether you pass this exam or not. Moreover, most of the top lawyers of India such as Salve, Jethmalani, Rohatgi never took this test.
BLR 15 Jan 2012, 06:21
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1. Counsels are quite different from Solicitors. Solicitors brief counsels, that's the original concept. So Salve, Jethmalani were never even supposed to give the exam. On the other hand, Cyril & Shardul Shroff, Zia Mody, Behram Vakil, etc. are all solicitors
2. No one is saying that those who aren't solicitors are dumb. But this exam requires tremendous preparation coupled with 3 yrs of articles. Unlike LLB exams, this is a completely application based paper. You're never going to study law in depth at a stretch the way you do for solicitors. Forget the title, giving the exam is going to help you for your law practice for life, even if you don't clear it.
3. Solicitors is of phenomenal value in Bombay, not necessarily in the rest of the country.
Delhi Lawyer 16 Jan 2012, 05:33
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@ BLR - Thank you for your explanation. I agree with point No. 1.

However, please don't forget that when Cyril, Zia and all cleared solicitor's exam at that time there were no national law schools nor advanced legal education present like that of today. With the advent of five years law course coupled with Moots and internships and guest lectures, corporate law has advanced a lot. Thats why these days, even Amarchand AZB don't need solicitors as such. The NLS guys are infact better than them.
BLR 16 Jan 2012, 06:12
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National law schools or no national law schools, there's not been a decline in the number of people giving this exam, nor the quality of solicitors. Amarchand nor AZB may not need solicitors, but you'll be surprised how many solicitors are there today in both those firms. For the same reason, Cyril's kids and Behram's kid are giving the exam. For the same reason, Justin Bharucha (M.P. Bharucha's son) is a NLS grad, yet a solicitor.
No one's saying others aren't competent, but don't take credit away from the quality of the exam, nor the merit of those who clear it.
kianganz 16 Jan 2012, 07:31
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To clarify, I have just confirmed with Mr Mandviwala: Shardul Shroff and Zia Mody are NOT solicitors...

Cyril Shroff and Bahram Vakil ARE solicitors, however.

Just clearing up common misconceptions....

Best wishes,
Kian
BLR 16 Jan 2012, 08:05
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Apologies for the error. Zia was a counsel before she started her corporate practice. Also, she is a UK solicitor, not a BILS solicitor.
Delhi Lawyer 16 Jan 2012, 09:27
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Zia is also one of the few Indians to crack the NY bar exam before getting recruited to BakerMckenzie in 1979. So,she doesn't need your stupid mumbo jumbo to get into corporate practice in Bombay.
Delhi Lawyer 16 Jan 2012, 09:25
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Kian you rock !!
jajabor 13 Jan 2012, 12:05
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can you please publish more details about this exam? like what subjects are tested - what kind of questions come etc?
kianganz 16 Jan 2012, 06:34
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We have already published many articles about the exam.

For a previous test paper, for example, see this link:
http://www.legallyindia.com/201006201000/Law-firms/no-first-timers-pass-latest-bombay-solicitors-exam-could-you-download-the-test-paper

Or look for some articles in this category:
http://www.legallyindia.com/tag/solicitors

Best regards
Kian
Counter this 13 Jan 2012, 15:09
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Tell all those so called law firms to drop the 'solicitor' tag from their name.

And all you 5 year law hypocrites, you work in a firm which uses the 'solicitor' tag. Quit if you have the guts or walk up to your managing partner and ask him or her to drop the tag or you will drop your pants and show your not so well endowed body off....biatch.

There is a saying in hindi - jis thali mein khata hain usi me ched karta hain.
Delhi Lawyer 14 Jan 2012, 06:16
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If you see most of the start-ups and even few established law firms do not use the solicitor tag anywhere in India. It is only those old fashioned law firms who use this tag.
Articled 14 Jan 2012, 14:21
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@ Delhi Lawyer: had you read my reply like any decent lawyer would have,you would have realised I made no comment on the need for any lawyer to appear for it. I merely said it requires more than mugging to pass it. But im guessing you probably didnt give the exam, so one can forgive you for being poor with your interpretation.
Delhi Lawyer 16 Jan 2012, 05:36
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"didn't give the exam" ? "forgive you for poor interpretation" ? What kind of English you are using dear Articled ? And, why do I need to be forgiven for my interpretation ? lol ...I think English language should also be included in your Sols exam syllabus :-)
Counter this 16 Jan 2012, 05:55
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@ Delhi Lawyer

Padron ym Enlishg, it's not as good as yours.

If I dare say, please file a petition in the Supreme Court of India with instructions to disallow the privilege they give to Solicitors from taking the 'advocate on record' exam.

This is of course, subject to certain conditions. If I jog my memory correctly, as I cannot run the marathon, you need to be be a solicitor for a certain number of years before you earn the right to not take the exam and still be enrolled as an advocate on record on the Supreme Court of India.

Desi bum - chum!
Delhi Lawyer 16 Jan 2012, 09:33
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IMO even this AOR exam needs to be scrapped. Its just an eye washer. Many lawyers these days find this AOR concept to be ridiculous as none of the AORs are famous lawyers nor they can ever become such since they hardly argue in Court.
Delhi Lawyer 16 Jan 2012, 12:40
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eye wash not washer ....plz ignore the typo
baba sam 16 Jan 2012, 10:38
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hey i am hoping to take this exam in october IA....hope it is worth the time and energy....i have done a little survey of my own and realised the people who have taken the exam and are solicitors from BILS have unanimously told me that the exaM IS TOTALLY worth it.. and surely does help in the future...
however the ones who have not, donot agree that any exam can make a difference and law is all about PRACTICE PRACTICE coupled with skill....I'm taking the exam in October IA... whatever be the passing rate!!....
anon 27 Apr 2012, 11:11
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@baba sam, i think a 3 year articleship is a pre requirement for writing the sol exam, by your comments, it appears that you are not aware or you are doing the articleship and not intent on writing the exam.