The people who are screwed due to working on weekends come and rant here. The folks who have free weekends are busy enjoying life and not on Legally India.

Working weekends depends on how much work your team does and sometimes the amount of work at the time of the year.

Few things

A lot of the people here are absolute cry babies who want to do nothing but keep crying about "le work hours" and "WLB" with highly exaggerated figures. There are certain verticals (B&F, Projects) where the average day is long (10-11 hrs) but people here will have you believe that every single team works 80 hrs and they are getting emails at 4am and are working on 5 hrs sleep everyday. Trust me, if the situation was such, the attrition would be much much higher than it is now.

A lot of the stories I read here just turned out to be blatantly untrue after I joined a T1 a couple of years back. This makes me think LI is full of pretentious law students and wannabes that have no idea of how things work and are simply parroting hearsay.

Law firm work in most practice areas is cyclical. You will have weeks or months of intense back breaking work followed by a week of absolutely nothing but mucking around and correcting grammatical errors in a non consequential report.

And lastly, you can do this job. Humans do this job. Many of them survive, some even thrive and for a lot of the newer NLU batches filled with students from middle class T2 and T3 towns are able to elevate their life within a decade or so, which is crazy. Yes, the work is quite often boring, monotonous and voluminous (especially at junior levels) but no job is 100% intellectual and fun. It is all doable and if you can endeavour to keep yourself physically and mentally fit then you can go a long way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/opinion/israel-hamas-protests-left.html

Very relevant for India, in light of statements made by the Congress and CPI(M), plus tweets by JNU students. As for law students, it's undeniable that many left-wing NLU /Jindal students and professors share this view. There was once a very unpleasant incident at Jindal, where a painting and photo exhibition by Israeli artists was held and the then Israeli Ambassador to India visited it. Some students wrote pro-Palestine messages on the paintings and photos.

So basically Newsclick is denying what the NYT report said. But▮▮▮

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/not-a-penny-has-come-from-china-newsclick-founder-prabir-purkayastha-tells-delhi-high-court-4464601

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ed-arrests-4-vivo-executives-in-money-laundering-case/articleshow/104313709.cms?from=mdr

I think your corp lawyer friend might be an exception here. Fortunately, she might have bumped into a decent workplace.

But I still question, why aren't we considering 60+ hours as excessive. I mean I know we can't have the ideal 40 hours per week rule (no respect for workforce, India-no political intention to stop exploitation, plus this is legal field and other factors). But I would still say, for a start, at Max we should have 50-52 hours a week work culture in legal profession in India.

Those calculations provide you with the opportunity to do four internships in a year. Very few students do that. You can always take a break during one or two of the four months. If you always break down only during class hours and that too for more than 30%of the classes, then the solution is better work life balance and a healthy lifestyle, not missing classes.

Raaani saiba duniye ke liye misaal hai, asliyat mei khokli si ek shaitaan hai,

Raaani saiba ka gyan lagta hai bharpoor, jab ki hai bas ek rattnewaali hoor,

Raani saiba ko aati nahi vakalat, hai bas woh darr paida karnewaali saudaagar,

Raani saiba andar se hai darpok, isliye chillaana hai raani saiba ka daily ka doze.

One should be open and mature enough to appreciate other religions and their complexities and not question this badly. Every religion has their own issues. No one needs to support sadguru but Joe should have been more dignified. Can he afford to show similar style in his business. The level of sarcasm and disrespect were quite evident in word he spoke especially the questions.

Tier 1 firms don’t matter to Genz

Most toppers went for trilegal over Sam cam kco this year because of the major hike to 19lpa in salaries, and many chose boutique firms that have been reputed to have a better working culture. SCAM and others will have to follow if they wanna maintain the brand value cuz no one rlly cares about that shit anymore

He is intelligent that doesnt mean he speaks in that tone. It is condescending and looking down upon someone and yet trying to fake as if its a genuine question. It is not a law class where one may debate the way they want. See other videos where people ask politely. Which person can take such disrespectful tone. Lets reverse the roles and ask Joe about his beliefs in the same tone and manner and see what he answers. Or lets put a wise man from another area and ask some questions about ambiguous topics in the same tone. Sadguru is stating the history and he is not prescribing even. I am not fan of sadguru but the way Joe conducted himself is not nice. Coming to the topic, there are far subtler aspects than simple discrimination. Why everyone cant become a pujari or a priest or father. They have to follow certain practises to uphold and rules to become. Is it discrimination? Same way there are some rules for visiting certain places. Without understanding how advanced our ancient rishis when they prescribed such things one can’t comment on this fully. If it had been discriminatory by now it would have been stopped. One can be intelligent but need not be wise. Exceptions are there in every religion (Mount athos, Kerala ayyappa temples). There is definitely immaturity and lack of respect for others seen in his behaviour at that point of time.

Self practice se success hona to obviously bht mushkil h due to nepotism as I got from here , and corporate lawyers are only chosen from top NLUs which alot of students r not even aware of, no one in my family is well aware about NLUs or clat, that's why. If they knew any corporate lawyer who has worked 10-15 years they would have advised the newer generation of my family to go there ( uhh u can debate it and say they would have seen the toxic work culture side more and advised against it but money wins while bragging or advising on careers for most doesn't it?

The Sports committee of GNLU has officially become a joke at this point. The faculty members just do whatever they deem fit without even consulting the students. Even the recent core committee formation was somewhat of a joke only. People who didn't even apply for anything are a part of the core committee now. The faculty in an open general body meeting declared number of members and then went ahead and contradicted themselves Just e-mailing the list without any democratic process. There was no election whatsoever. The Convener of the Sports Committee doesn't even play any sport. It's an absolute disgrace to see 30-35 year old faculty members trying to bully students to give in to their demands.

A certain faculty room in NUJS has banned students wearing shorts from entering their room. It is noteworthy that inter alia 2 (recent-ish) NLU grads sit in that room. Absolutely shameful.

These people dont realise that with absolutely no ac common spaces for students, calcutta heat is unbearable except for 3 odd months in a year. Shorts and loose clothing are necessary for survival. Even if not for survival shorts or no shorts is not something they get to decide.

Apparantly for them, shorts are disrespectful... Idk how. This is not a court or office. I understand shorts would not be acceptable in a place where formal clothing is expected but a college campus is not such a place.

Dress codes may be mandated for an event or certain spaces in campus or the entire campus altogether. But that is something that should result out of some due process and should culminate in a formal document. "wEaR fuLL pAnTs oR dOnT sUbMiT pRoJeCt" dictats are just not the way to go forward with this.

Tired of the people from this university. It seems every week these gnlu people find something to whine about. Can't solve anything internally, want to make a drama out of everything.. What other NLU does even a fraction of this? Well, good entertainment for the rest of us. Keep up the mudslinging lol

No elections no democratic process, the entire committee works like a dictatorship. 2 people who think they’re above everything calling the shots in the garb of righteousness. The convenors are merely puppets in their hands and they are there for name sake without any power in their hands. It’s better the admin dissolves the committee and makes sure the faculty members are relieved from their duties.

GNLU is a laughing stock at this point, I have not seen any NLU with this much faculty involvement. Be it selecting the core committee or even a minor event like Futsal, both the faculty members act like it’s their committee rather than the students. They need to understand that in the end it’s a student run committee not a faculty run one. If things continue like this, Sports culture of GNLU won’t survive in the long run.

Faculties here don't know how to take a stand. They had a grudge against ex convenor of the sports comm whom they publically humiliated in front of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and LLM. Just to show their dominance as a faculty. Grow up faculty members. I am assuming you must be having more important work than being cool infront of students.

Since there are majority of people who are not feminists and still not protesting against those laws, what do you think is their motive? Do they really want women to have all that power then? My God, is it a conspiracy theory if it seems like the truth? Is the world being populated with closet pro-matriarchy people then? Even paranoids have enemies after all. Wake up and smell the coffee!

To all the students who are advocating for missing classes for the practical exposure that internship brings, I have got this question. To the best extent that I am aware of, every university provides at least 2 months of break in every calendar/academic year. Let us assume that the exams take place for a total of 1 month in every year. That leaves 9 months. Normally, the universities that work on a semester basis provide for approximately 3.5-4 months of classes in every semester. The other holidays and some other events cater to the remaining 1 month. Now, out of these 9 months, the required attendance percentage is 70% in most NLUs at least (I am not sure about private colleges, though BCI prescribes 70% only). Which means around 6.3 months of classes have to be attended to be eligible to sit for the exams. Which means that a student can easily intern for 2 months every year without requiring any attendance exemption. Add the original 2 months of break to these 2, which means that 4/12 or 1/3 of every year can be spent interning. Is there any 'professional course' that requires more practical exposure to the students on an undergraduate level? No, there is really none.

You may hate this answer, but the fact remains that majority students waste the 30% in frivolous ways. If they are that interested in interning and getting practical exposure, it is quite possible to do so without requiring such attendance exemptions. On the other hand, students who end up missing classes barely do anything to make up their theoretical foundation and that is a proven fact as educators and surveys across the world has established. You may say that nothing is being taught in classrooms, but the solution to that is getting better teachers and not to miss classes. You may claim that all that you need to practise law is to intern, in which case petition the BCI to do away with the degree requirement. Surely if all students think and feel like that, then they would continue to do so even after graduation and therefore people who vote for the BCI and the members themselves also believe the same!

One may argue that there are not that many quality internship opportunities available, which forces the student to be able to intern whenever they get that opportunity. To that argument, my counter is twofold. First is that, the solution of using 30% of your classes for internship will still work. Secondly, that is a reflection of the sorry state of affairs of the legal industry in this country. Missing classes and hence lacking foundational knowledge is what leads to more problems, not solution to that one.

She said hours r long and usually 60 hours+ a week is normal but other than that most weekends r off too( yes Saturdays too) so whatever I have read here about no weekends or holidays or 80-100 hour weeks is only a percentage of corp lawyers? And can I know what percentage would that be? Thanks

I am trying to look for the same... I never went with a girl in my entire life, Tried matrimonial sites, didn't work out... eventually not given up completely but hopeful to find the right person soon.

Never applied any patriarchal approaches, I don't believe in one tried many simulation that women say, they wish for... but in reality not many women wish for honest guys, it's complicated. Came across your post so, thought to write so, you know right men are also their and they are struggling like you to find the right match.

The ▮▮▮ over there, ▮▮▮ allots the team in a rigid manner and once you have been given a particular team there is no changes entertained, happened to observe quite a few disputes people being given Cap Markets and so on. So dont have many hopes and pray only. They have a single internship policies and in 90% of the cases there exists no vacancies so again please curtail your hopes.

The demands in well-paying jobs are less, as opposed to the number of students from '22 or '23 batch. Not to mention the hiring freeze in prospective law firms this year. Since job hunting has become an uphill run, everyone appears miserable everywhere. Its ok, this too shall pass.

GNLU-Students committee or Faculty committee?

The sports committee of GNLU has observed an increasing amount of involvement by the faculties of the committee, with them being the decision bearers of tiniest of the things like who will play on the grounds to the big things like who will head the committee. The committee had turned into a joke when 7 convenors were appointed , some of whom who hadn’t even applied for the post. It’s funny how a bunch of 30 year olds are harassing , threatening and bullying students who are almost 10 years younger than them just because things aren’t going according to their will. It is known in all NLUs that the committees are of the student, by the students and for the students. The faculties are overly involved in smallest of decisions and continue to openly bully the students in public and shut them up due to the fear of the court case that has been lodged suo moto by the high court of Gujarat. They’d rather listen to people who don’t even play sports as they just want to save themselves and act all righteous, not taking into consideration what all sportspersons they are harming in the process of doing so. They’re even afraid of things being posted to legallyindia, scared that their reality and hypocrisy will be out in public. There is a dire need for the faculty involvement to be lessened and the student democracy to return in order to ensure that the sports committee is functioning to its full potential.

1) Bangalore [Great WLB, good culture]

- Mostly PE/VC, little M&A

- Capmarks support group for Mumbai office

- Funds Formation

- TMT advisory

- Employment law advisory

2) Mumbai [Busy people, decent culture]

- M&A, PE/VC (great partners, gr8 deals)

- Banking (both transactions & disputes)

- lots and lots of Capmarks work (busiest team)

- Disputes (commendable B&F/DRT mandates)

3) Delhi [Toxic Culture]

- Cross border M&A (superficial partners)

- lot of capmarks work (bad culture)

- Competition (support for M&A)

- Tax (support for M&A)

- Disputes (one man show)

- Project Finance (great partner: AK)

4) Hyderabad [small office, less work]

- Project Finance (robust practice)

- Disputes (mostly infra)

Not at NALSAR. In fact internships are discouraged here. I once informed an acad chair that I will be staying back in Mumbai for 1 week in June, and was told that they dont care and that I will miss the foundational concepts etc. Even the woke profs keep mentioning in class how students are so corp minded and will just go behind internships.

Someone show them how much international law or constitutional law enthus are paid in the job market.

MNLU Nagpur have a pretty bad policy in this regard. Gave only one month break for assessment internship in the last semester of entire course where attendance could be claimed. Students get negligible practical experience in a profession where the market is now oriented more towards skills and on-field pressure handling. As a result, many students continue their job hunt even after 6-8 months after graduation.

Lucrative, yes. Reputable, yes. Demanding, yes.

Insolvency & Bankruptcy has huge scope, considering the exponentially multiplying corporatization In India. As good as it seems, the job of an insolvency professional demands meticulous work. One wrong turn, and you have your suspension order from IBBI. Thus, needs to be cautious as well. Nevertheless, there are now Process Advisories, which can be engaged, at a nominal rate, who will take care of running the desk job of the process. IP, thus becomes, more of managerial job. One needs to be well-versed with Finance and Management knowledge to become a successful IP.

My interview was very straightforward and simple. Just asked about my previous Internships, asked to explain section 241 and 244 of Companies Act(only because I mentioned in CV, no need to by-heart any bare acts) and asked difference between financial and operational creditor. Overall very congenial.

What students think corporate lawyers in Mumbai do:

- Live in sea-facing penthouses

- Be chauffeur-driven to office everyday in a BMW

- Fly first-class to New York every few weeks and attend business meetings wearing Armani suits

- Have champagne and caviar at the Taj Chambers every Saturday

- Play golf at the Willingdon every Sunday

- Date glamorous actresses and models (who will swoon after hearing that you graduated from a tier 1 NLU)

Who's going to tell them?😅

10+ PQE. For work travel, have taken 350+ flights, 100+ hotel nights. Travelled to 5-6 countries totally, not 5 new countries every year. So ya it’s possible. Partners in Indian law firms regularly travel to uk, Singapore, Hong Kong, US, Canada, Japan and Dubai for BD. May not be possible for associates.

You absoutely can clear top B schools without any work experience. That's most of the kids in B school. It's only ISB that wants prior experience.

Also, no one earns crores out of MBA college, even those who make it to IB and PE roles. That takes a few years (1 crore - not several - that takes more time if you are lucky).

I have seen a lot of law students doing physical internships with law firms in their 4th year during the months of Jan-Feb or September-October. Since our university does not provide us with attendance claims in our 4th year for internships, I wanted to know which universities allow for the same.