You can't. As someone who's been there, I suggest getting experience first. You can either start from LPOs or District Court. 2 years experience will be enough to help get you interviews. Internships are only for fresh graduates, the rest are judged on experience. The only way you can circumvent experience is to go for a PhD. But that's only if you want to go purely in academia. As it will take anywhere from 5-7 years. It's better to get 5-7 years work experience than pursue PhD. It's possible but just a bit tougher. All the best.

I don’t find the subjects interesting and because I went to an ‘average’, non-NLU college in my hometown, do not have loans. parents are working themselves and while we are not ‘well-off’, they are also not dependent on me and I just need to be able to maintain myself. ppl mostly choose poor work and life balance because they have other financial issues to worry about

it sounds really corny and "impractical" but once you start letting the standards of others determine what brings you joy and makes you proud of yourself, you're on the slippery slope to self esteem issues and feelings of inadequacy and self doubt. so live by your standards and if you feel like you've achieved something which makes you happy, let yourself feel that happiness and pride.

but be consistent with this philosophy ig. if you wish to be happy and proud by your own standards, then that should be your philosophy uniformly across all areas of life. otherwise it'll get messy.

First of all, and this seems to not be known enough, most firms have one central HR in charge of internships for all offices. It’s not that Noida HR will handle Noida apps. All apps have to be directed to the one in charge of internships and even then, it’s extremely unlikely that just by sending with no contact to vouch for you you’ll get. Try to find a partner (preferably an alum) and get in touch without annoying them seeking a reference

Best sites for in-house vacancies are LinkedIn and Naukri.com. Also, it is advisable to connect with all legal head and hr head of the companies since most of the time they post about the openings on LinkedIn itself. And 1 yr PQE in general corporate in T-1/2 is also considered sufficient period for a switch to in house role. There are hierarchy and budget of the roles, if you fall under that I don't think switching within 1-2 yr won't matter that much. For eg: I was in litigation chamber for the initial 2 yr and then switched to a company. The first switch will be very difficult but then it will be smooth sail for you. All the best.

(P.S: DU law faculty, 5+yr PQE, presently- DM Legal contracts, just sharing to provide base for my response).

"believers in capitalism" never met anyone who considers capitalism to be akin to a belief system. also most of the guys who get disenchanted with capitalism are the ones who exist within hypercompetitive spaces themselves. why do you think the stereotypical plan of most indians, especially the ones from IITs and IIMs, is to retire by 30-40 with a large hoard of money so they can finally pursue their passions? is it because they believe so immensely in their benevolent corporate capitalist gods? i wish to meet one person who steps into a corporate law firm and goes "wow, this is truly awe inspiring and enriching! this firm has truly made me a believer in capitalism". the most they get out of it is a receding hairline and heart disease.

i feel like i fell for obvious bait but oh well.

Bhai, you should be proud. We all have our reasons. I am first-gen-college goer. Made it to RGNUL. Not a massive feat compared to a lot of students. But still great?

No mentorship, no guidance, no coaching and still ended up here. Quite a feat? Some people will get things sooner than me because of their privilege. Thats okay. Guess what? I am rubbing shoulders with them, right now. And will eventually reach where they all will.

ATB!

Its not just matter of BA. Most teenage to adult phase humans are highly rebellious in nature. Arts oriented Universities (including NLUs) play a good ambience to screech slogans and play activism. This is one of the reason why andolanjeevis survive and thrive in NLUs. Also many right wingers themselves treat arts subjects with a disdain considering it to be an impractical field. This created a leftist dominance in NLUs. This eventually creates a perception that NLUs are left wing biased, which keeps away interested rightwingers again thus perpetuating a cycle.

I really wish I could provide some solace through words, my dear fellow (used here in a gender neutral sense) It is getting really worse by the day, and I am getting very miserable. Further, all law firm and in-house threads on this site have at least some sun shines, but everyone in litigation is in grief. Worse still, I completely relate to all their reasons. They say you need to be patient, but deliberately overlook the disparity of status amongst junior litigators too. It's seriously breaking me everyday

Sorry for what you've experienced

Imma one up you, hang on

My wretched homo sapien of a SeNiOr has told me not to be a part of client briefings. Because clients want privacy. I am the one who's effing gonna draft the matter from scratch. And I am not allowed to be in the briefings. So much for privacy huh? I end up drafting without being briefed, only on the basis of documents. Whatever changes are required to be made are because I don't have info beyond the documents in the file. Nothing else, legit.

I am of course looking to change the chambers coz I have no interest in being someone who drafts without being briefed and adjourns because I have no access to the briefs once the matter is filed.

This individual can very happily go looking for someone who'll slog their @$$ of, and tolerate being treated like a runner-chaprasi-cum-steno (that too for personal work)-with added benefits of actual legal drafting and legal research- for chullu payment. Many of this individual's clients think I am the said sEnIOr'S steno/ receptionist. If only they knew that I am the one who actually drafts their matters. No wonder none of the earlier juniors would last long with this individual (got to know this later that most left after barely a few weeks), but have done better after leaving for better places. Had I known this before, I'd legit not have gotten in here. Stay away from the sharks who wanna make you adjournment-specialists. I hope there's a spot in hell reserved for them

1. Not a single person knows Hindi

2. Some faculty are not well versed in english so they often use Tamil words while taking classes

3. College is a place where you build contacts and friends but here you'll be limited to people from north only who are a rare sight

4. Not all but some people are brainwashed and kind of hate North Indians

5. This year I hear like 60-70% seats are reserved for tamils so there goes the diversity

6. It is located 20 km outside the city no clubs pr anything here not even in the city.

7. apart from the guys there the local people hate us even more

8. imo go to other universities in the north cuz its not at all worth it for someone in the north to come all the way across the country

If you think that T1 law firm HRs have even the physical capacity to go through all these internship application mails, you're gravely mistaken. The process is obnoxious and favours only those people who can get references from partners/clients, or at the very least, come from a very well established NLU. But what can they really do? They can't really open and go through 100s of terrible applications in the search of the 2-3 decent applications that come from bad universities, so they have to resort to generalisations.

It's not fair to you, but it's the reality. That said, I'm also a 1st-gen outsider with no contacts, but I managed to impress enough people at my past T2 & T3 firms that they were happy to give me a reference to a CAM partner. You'll have to find your own way to get there, but trust me when I say that it can be done. All the best!

He can listen. He doesn't. Listening doesn't mean being present in the same room, it is also to show that you're paying attention and engaging with people.

If everything that he does is his sole responsibility, then why are you defending him from the fallout of that? Let him do it himself where he can.

Parents paying fees? I can't believe that you're a lawyer, making that shitty argument. Will the university hold the parent responsible if fees are not paid, or the student? In whose name does the fee get deposited? Who will be forced to discontinue their studies if the fees aren't paid? Do you have any ground to suggest that my parents do not agree with me about my concerns? Did Sudhir ask them? With that kind of argument, your claim of having worked with Sudhir and being mentored by him is rendered almost comical. Almost.

When has he taken responsibility when he's been proven wrong though? Did he pay back the NLAT fees out of his own pocket? Did he compensate the PhD scholars whose theses he sat on in flagrant violation of any regulation? Your description of consultation is as inaccurate as it is comical. You're saying that once he's heard others, he can simply say that he's right and the others are wrong without any further justification. You keep mentioning his academic status while discussing admin concerns. Please name these multiple publications that he's done, since his own google scholar profile hardly mentions even a 2-digit peer reviewed work. Compared to him, many law school faculty have got better publication record. Your experience working with him may say otherwise, our experience now is saying otherwise. Did the Consortium VC's backgrounds made him decide to follow opacity? What ridiculous arguments! His CLPR experience is irrelevant here and doesn't merit discussion, his work in the context of law schools does.

finding law firm life quite difficult, I will try to survive for at least a year, but if not I wanna switch in-house. But I don't know about any in-house opening. How do you guys figure out? Following LinkedIn of most GCs? Contacting Friends? Dropping cold emails? or is there some other source?

Also, I know best time to move-inhouse would be after 4-5 years, but will running away from firms within months or a year or 2 look bad? Pls help.

Long ago, a tier one guy also exaggerated something he did to get a fellowship. It gave him bragging rights for a few years but that's about all. You can only get so far with this bullshit. And heaven help you if you are caught, which is very possible given that there are Indians everywhere.

The BA syllabus at NLUs is inherently left-wing. On top of that it’s taught by left-wing profs. So, in the crucial formative first year, students fed a diet of left-wing pedagogy and indoctrinated into JNU “woke mode”. Students also take these subjects very seriously because it impacts their GPA and placements. It’s only later in life, after joining CAM and SAM, that they are “deprogrammed” and placed into “corporate IIM mode”.

Now, here’s my suggestion: just flip the order and place BA subjects in 5th year. You will thus have students taking Contract Law, Corp Law etc seriously from Day One. By the time they get to 5th year, they will have internships and PPOs under their belt and be believers in capitalism. Also, their GPA in 5th year won’t matter, as they will have got job offers by then. So, the left wing orientation will be diminished.

1. If that's the case, then how is Sudhir poaching those people from other NLUs? Clearly they had been recruited there by other VCs to begin with!

2. There's no NLU alumni senior enough working in India at present in academics to become the VC of another law school. Sudhir himself wouldn't have qualified had MPS not given his career a jumpstart back in 2008.

File official complaint about ragging with copy of central Home Ministry & Education (HRD) ministry.. People will come to beg for mercy. It is a sadistic thing. Must be dealt hard.

File one set in person & another by registered post & write home address on post acknowledgment.

Seniors at the Bar pay in a horrid manner. Accepted.

Why do they have to treat the junior members poorly as well?

Decency doesn't cost a dime.

Juniors do all the dirty work. Thankless work. And when we have to do their work in the courts between matters, baithne ko bhi jagah nahi dete. Despite the Bar Association membership, no place to do THEIR work. Dafaq? I am literally sitting in a courtroom rn which discharged its board. This is pathetic.

The Delhi food fight must've been at the seniors instigation. I am so jealous of law firm peeps. They at least get compensated in terms of money for the humiliation. They at least have a namesake HR. Litigation is legit slavery for juniors. I fracking want to get out of this hell hole.

#RantOver

Write a polite email to him, addressed to his official email address recounting the number of times he asked you for a smoke break. Tell him it's creepy and that you will need to escalate the matter to HR if he doesn't cease and desist. Try and get a few recordings of him propositioning you for a smoke and attach them to said email. Record the entire conversations if necessary. Gems like "pleasing personality" would be a bonus!

I think its reasonable to draw the link between preventing cheating and valuing academic integrity. We are not splitting hairs here. We are discussing if plagiarism and using chat gpt is in line with academic integrity- most people in most law schools would tell you no, but even without a vote- It would shock me if serious people ( not opportunistic students) disagreed. theres plenty of academic research on the value of continuous evaluation. This is adopted in law schools across the world.

Hes the VC- its literally his job to decide all of this stuff- to decide what good academic standards look like for his university. You can disagree- but I dont see anyone being swayed to think that using chat gpt to write your essays is A-Okay.

yall keep moving goal posts. This is generational war- no wait you effectively made a case that this is about class? , now this is about evaluation patterns- oh you effectively made a case for the evaluation patterns?, this is about we should be able to use chat gpt instead of writing- oh you effectively told us why its plagiarism?, this is about sudhir is not a serious scholar- oh youre going to point to his publications? but wait those ones dont count because i dont like that journal, show me exactly what I think is quality - Sudhir Krishnaswamy should have dedicated his career to please me as an individual.

Its ridiculous- and all of this has been argued before and no one is interested in doing it again. Most people know Sudhirs record as a scholar and are quite happy with what hes got done. Its nothing at all to be snarky about considering hes also been an administrator, written a great book, and engaged in policy work. Most people commenting here cant write 3000 words without chat gpt- really this is just shocking. Most other NLU VCs dont have any kind of respectable scholarship at all, and when they do its very clear that they take credit for the writing of others. Sudhir has a decent record- theres no evidence at all that he hasnt written all of the work attributed to him, and among academics- his peers- no one thinks hes some lightweight, in fact hes quite intimidating with his ability to tear your argument apart.

No. Other institutions actually have answers for this problem. 1) long term trends are better than individual years and much better than individual students. 2) It is possible to have a peer review process which is what they do for tenure in america- a senior professor goes into classes of junior faculty and evaluates. I would any day trust someone who is not likely to be trying to settle scores for a bad grade or an unsatisfactory interaction. Student surveys are notoriously sexist and biased- there is a lot of research on it. This commenter has already shown theyre unreliable- they went from "this person doesnt teach" to " they dont do what I like". without even specifying anything at all. Why would you be inclined to believe them?

May be he is lonely in his life and does not have anyone for interaction.

Since, you are a junior and from same college, you might bring a familiarity and non threating factor and you are junior too plus you are a woman, Maybe because of these reasons he talks to you.

Tell him in a straightforward manner that you are uncomfortable, and just ignore him.

This is the work the recruitment cell folks would ordinarily be doing. Are these individual applications on her end? I think you should raise the concern with this firm, either personally or anonymously. Either they investigate and find out she hasn't done anything she says she has, in which case she won't take a PPO spot from someone with bonafide credentials or she has the requisite proof and it was a misunderstanding on your part.

If he's an A0 then he can't be a super senior. He should be 2-3 years senior. People do miss college drama after they pass out. It's common. As long as he is not going into your personal life or getting too close to you, it may just be an innocent attempt to friendship.

If you are uncomfortable, tell him that you are busy with work and you need to complete your work on time as you need the job or some other bs excuse.

There is a reason majority of the smart ones go for NEET or JEE, we were just too dumb to understand why. Class 10 people thought they will have the world in their hands by doing nothing while the smart ones knew that NEET or JEE is the only way to have the world in their hands