I taught a short elective at NLSIU on invitation, rather than applying myself. I liked the experience as the students were very bright, attentive, enthusiastic and disciplined — a refreshing change from Jindal (where unfortunately only a minority of students fit into this category, when I visited there) and NUJS (where I found some of the students to be uninterested and taking my course just for CV value).

The accommodation was fine and staff were helpful.

The VC, Sudhir Krishnaswamy, met me and we had a chat. He was friendly and I appreciated his drive to bring in good faculty. But he seemed tilted towards public law and wary of industry-centric, skills-centric commercial law courses. I didn’t think I could contribute much to his vision, for that reason, but I think he is head and shoulders above the other NLU VCs.

I would advise against reading that thread. Way too many comments. It's basically at this point the main thread discussing the protest and a series of sub-threads with a bunch of people fighting about the logic behind some demands/decisions, or about things that have been said regarding Sudhir/his career/his character (you know, the usual stuff like MP Singh's gamble on him, where he taught abroad/whether he worked abroad at all, apparent differences in NLS and NUJS marking standards, whether he comes from an economically disadvantaged background etc.). Reading all of that would drive most people crazy, which is why I would advise against exposure to it.

There is absolutely nothing that prevents the so-called T2 NLUs from improving themselves and their image if they are willing to do so. Contrary to pre-2010 era, we have many capable and qualified law graduates willing to return to academia temporarily and permanently. Yet very few of them get recruited as faculty in such T2 NLUs, nor are the students from these places make regular and sustained demand from the admin about getting such faculty, getting similar exposure and academic infra that their T1 NLU counterparts begin taking for granted. Honestly, the student quality is not that hugely different. They need the necessary guidance and basic support, that's all. The vacuum is sadly being sought to be filled up predatory private individuals and organisations as a result.

I'm in the last year of my BALLB, how can I effectively approach law firms for an articleship if I've already reached out to several via email and followed up without receiving any responses? Additionally, could you recommend some solicitor firms I should consider, especially those that have a practice in different practice areas, which I believe would provide a more comprehensive experience?

Firstly its a T3 firm which is on road to become a T2 firm soon since its rapidly expanding. Pay is on par with T2 firms - A0 salary ranges at around 70k-80k per month, for A2 they pay around 18LPA. It's a top heavy firm so once you reach the position of SA, the pay will be on par with T1's.

I agree. I feel NUJS students should only rally with students of other T1 NLUs or by themselves. No need to march alongside students of such obscure regional colleges. Would NLSIU students ever march alongside KSLU students? Come on, we are ranked 5 in NIRF!! It will only spoil the reputation of NUJS to do all this. It’s important to keep the prestige and elite status of NUJS intact.

The SJA has drafted a resolution and that’s enough. At most a candle light vigil can be held INSIDE campus after class hours. No more.

Everyone at the Bar already knows who the good advocates are and who aren't. The reason to apply has more to do with impressing clients, getting a cool title/gown and the ability to charge higher fees (all of which are very good reasons to apply).

But believe me when I say the Bar and the Bench already have a very good of who is good and who is not (even if it isn't necessarily reflected in senior designations).

Modi keeps talking about the Khan Market gang and Lutyens lobby, but this is one system he has not dismantled. It will be great if he does. The solution can simply be as follows: take away all existing Senior Advocate designations and reallocate them to:

- anyone who has 25 years of practice

- plus appeared in at least 500 cases in those 25 years, of which note more than 20 percent are PILs (to discourage frivolous lawyers)

- plus authored at least 10 articles in a list of pre-approved law journals

- plus clocked 1,000 hours of pro bono work or guest lectures at law schools in those 25 years

- plus has given opportunities to at least 50 interns in those 25 years, with pay

- plus has not been convicted any offence

- plus has not been found guilty of any breach of professional ethics

The final step should be to pay a registration fee of Rs 50 lakhs , to be transferred to improve the conditions of trial courts.

How does it matter who I am? I could be a student, or a faculty, or even the VC herself. No one here should care who’s there on the other end of this. This platform was made to have an open-minded discussion about this. And which is why I wrote this. If you had even read this once, thoroughly, which you clearly haven’t, then you’d have realised I have not supported any side fully. The faculty was wrong, absolutely wrong in calling the students’ parents at such a late hour. A simple bad judgement. And the faculty who shouted and lost control? He could’ve done better. Not denying. That’s no way to behave.

At the same time, were the students correct? Recent hostel CCTV footage has shown their transgressions all over the campus. They have literally summoned the first years in a line, ordered them to go the terrace, and then whatever transpired: all of which

You're purely stating all in terms of values and beliefs. No factual or logical answer, just claims. Do you have any knowledge about mitochondrial genome?

This gotra' system was made to glorify the race of the 'Brahmans' and patriarchy. Inbreeding depression was nowhere the issue neither there are enough proofs

Seeing the trend, the 'deserving' and the 'distinguished' will gradually simply decide not to apply. Only then will the bar and the bench truly start recognising and appreciating the genuine seniors because it will be based on advocacy skills and integrity, not on political connections or family inheritance. The senior designation system is almost broken. It is not even a necessary evil like the collegium.

These days there are many associates in law firms without the fixed time-bound career trajectory (eg: SA 4 years after graduation, PA after 7 years and so on).

This might be due to experiences from in-house/Tier 2 getting discounted, or people who took gap years to do something else.

How much difference does it make if your title does not match your batchmates?

Do law firms give you lesser preference during partner promotions?

Dear LI users,

The recent batch size increase at many top NLUs, Nls from 80 to 300, nlud from 80 to 180(60 in bcom llb), nujs from 120 to 180, nliu from 120 to 200 ( bsc llb at both), gnlu 200, nluj and nalsar remained same though-around 120, is concerning, not only for the students who r in those institutions but also for lower NLUs.

There is a high probability now that all the vacancies at various tol law firms and legal inhouse roles, which are already very limited in absolute numbers in India, will get filled by the huge pool of tier 1 students only. Not only the top firms but since many students at tier 1s also won't get tier 1 firm jobs, they would take up the decent paying tier 2 and beyond law firms too.

Why would any recruiter even consider visiting any lower NLUs or choose any student from lower NLUs when they r getting as good a quality at t1 nlus only from the huge pool of students there? There are high chances that the recruiter is a tier 1 alumni him/her-self also which ruins the case even more for the lower NLUs.

I would appreciate everyone's opinions on this.

Thank you

Lateral hirings at T1s are almost never advertised. So, no, it's pretty impossible for you to even know the where & when without referrals. That said, if you generally network in T2 firms, stay in touch with batchmates in big firms & maybe approach a good headhunter, things could work out.

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/341626-how-to-succeed-in-nalsar#comment-341932 regardless of what college you're from, most of the advice from that one comment here applies to all law students. Tldr; most extracurriculars are purely for your hobby and no law firm worth their salt cares about some random debate or ADR competition. Moots are a good opportunity to interact with the judges and get internships, but it needs to be a good enough moot for inviting such people useful to you.

If you're at a university that has campus placements, then focus on your ranks and chill — otherwise make internships, feedback and references your best friend and give it all you've got. All the best!

lev off, never put such precise details on this site. Do you really think the grandiose HR person can't figure out who you are, now?

That said, it's a decent place to start your career with. If you got your internship slot from your university, then you must be from one of those 4 NLUs they hire from, and that means that you'll be assessed in a proper fashion for your month — weekly feedback sessions and approachable partners. My advice is that you shouldn't think too much about the offer at this stage and use this opportunity to learn as much and ask as many questions as you feel like. In my experience, no other T2 firm has such an assessment programme. So, use that to the fullest, and whatever happens after that, you'll end the month on a better note!

Harsh truth: none. No T1s and no T2s. Any hiring of BO'24 grads now is an anomaly arising out of unforeseen vacancies. Your best case scenarios now involve utilizing every contact/reference you could dream of, for either applying for internships and hoping to impress people so exceptionally that they'd gire you, or just joining litigation chambers and hoping to eventually make the switch somehow.

The thing about most T1s is that they always have more vacancy than boutiques and T2s, because they preempt both steady clientele and attrition. So, if you demonstrate why you deserve a spot, they'll be more likely to hire you than not. Worst case scenario of you performing brilliantly and the firm not having any spots left would probably still get valuable referrals for getting more interviews at at least T2s and boutiques.

Just avoid Corp-1 (and some of Corp-2) and you're good to go. Every T1 place has bad work hours and some amount of toxicity depending upon your partners but by and large, some of KCO's M&A teams truly stand out — largely because the cluster models ensure that you'll get to experience work from a variety of the 5-6 partners in your team, and because most administrative decisions are done jointly by the partners, nobody has the the extreme power/privilege of developing a norm of giving unreasonable deadlines, work hours, or being obnoxiously rude on the face of it (as compared to smaller teams at CAM M&A, for example, where you report to just one partner and they can largely do as they please. While I haven't personally interacted with AS a lot, I've heard pretty good things about Corp-3 and Corp-5, especially about VS and KM.

Lastly, keep an eye out for which team SV & his CAM coterie joins - he's also a considerate boss, from what I hear.

Sorry, man. I fully agree that the incident is now conveniently being presented only in part by the students, but nothing excuses the faculty's behaviour as caught on camera. They are supposed to be the mature ones, compared to students. They also have the authority enforce punishments, which is why they should not blow their cool in public like that. As for the removal of students from the hostel, I hope that's been done after following due process and giving them the opportunity to be heard. Even ragging complaints require that.

They have been making it increasingly difficult over the last six months. At present, they will require you to be there physically for almost two months, but they will not sponsor your accommodation (not even within the campus), nor will they sponsor travel more than once during this period. Therefore, either they have to find someone who is on a sabbatical and can manage alternate accommodation nearby during this period (which won't be cheap), or else they are basically looking for only people from Bengaluru, or else those who will be willing to spend money for the opportunity to teach at NLSIU.

When they had started, they were being more flexible with this initiative, but now it is getting bogged down owing to faulty policy/implementation. However, if you do end up teaching there after settling these hiccups, then you will find the students to be good. Even the 3-Year cohort.

Exactly, this is my point. Also, Please don't think that I'm being ******, but I'm really pissed of when people get internships at big places without any prior exp. and then they look down upon people like me.

I have an average CV, but without contacts nothing seem to work. I am simply applying at 200 places, and not even getting reply from 5.

Dr Aggarwala has stated in his letter, "You have been representing the government of West Bengal in the related cases before Hon'ble Supreme Court. As a lawyer, you have every right to accept and argue cases. However, on August 21, 2024 you circulated a purported Resolution of the SCBA under your signature, describing the RG Kar Medical College incident as ‘symptomatic malaise’, and said the ‘resolution’ hoped that such incidents that have taken place throughout the country are not repeated. The statement about the ‘SCBA resolution’ signed by you and printed on SCBA letterhead is mischievous, dangerous, insensitive and a grave injustice to the rape-murder victim and lakhs of doctors, trainees and students who are still on protest mode, demanding safe work environment."

https://x.com/adishcaggarwala/status/1826978819850313980

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyg-nSQPtrQ

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/congress-adhir-choudhary-kapil-sibal-withdraw-kolkata-rape-murder-rg-kar-supreme-court-west-bengal-2586622-2024-08-23

https://www.verdictum.in/news/rg-kar-medical-college-and-hospital-rape-west-bengal-police-kapil-sibal-conflict-of-interest-supreme-court-bar-association-1549077

https://lawbeat.in/top-stories/SCBA-concern-Kapil-Sibal-resolution-personal-views

https://indialegallive.com/constitutional-law-news/courts-news/kolkata-doctor-rape-murder-case-scba-executive-committee-objects-to-resolution-signed-by-kapil-sibal/#google_vignette

To give everyone the background to this:

- As was mentioned in another LI thread, it is widely believed that AMS-GShanks was the first choice of the WB govt, but both allegedly withdrew fearing that they would become unpopular for taking up this case. In AMS's case, he is not indebted to Mamata anymore, because he is no longer a TMC-supported RS member from Bengal. He will be joining from Telangana now.

- Had AMS taken up this case, it may also have caused anger within the Congress, as RaGa himself has criticised the TMC government. Remember also that AMS could be a candidate for the Attorney General's post if the Congress wins in 2029, and GShanks for the ASG's post. So why should they wade into this mess and risk their reputation?

- In contrast, Kapil Sibal is no longer with the Congress. He has left in exchange for being a Samajwadi-supported RS candidate. And he doesn't give a damn about being popular or unpopular among the public. He is SCBA Prez and an RS MP, plus earns crores in fees. So why bother?

- Meanwhile, it's unlikely that MG will face similar calls to withdraw, given that she has a mere secondary role and hasn't even spoken a full sentence at the hearing. It's quite possible that MG could have been recommended to the WB govt by GShanks, as a fellow NLSIU alum. A lot of people are heartbroken at MG taking up this case and are ranting online, but these are mostly Gen Z fanboys/fangirls with zero clout. The fact is that MG has the full backing of the NLSIU community and that is all that matters.

- Finally, the legal media's coverage to the Adish Agarwala-led backlash is interesting. LiveLaw openly campaigned for Sibal during the SCBA election and has blacked out the news so far. BB as well. Only RW legal outlets like LawBeat and Verdictum have covered it so far. But all eyes on Adish Agarwala to see how far he can take this and whether his conflict of interest claim will snowball into a wider protest against Sibal, backed by the BJP.

But sir/ma'am, my question goes for other firm. Like you remember the interns, but I'm not applying at your firm. It's for other firms, and do they really care about one's CV after getting internship.

I am sure, HRs/Partners check 100s of CVs. THEY DON'T HAVE THIS MUCH TIME TO REVIEW EACH CERTIFICATE, I SUPPOSE. Or do they?

I have asked this question because, till now wherever i've sent my CV they either directly reject or directly give internship. And interview has always been on telephonic.

And even for example I've interned at X firm and applying for Z firm, will the associate/Partner/HR will remember my CV till the time I intern. Will they refer it post internship or during the internship? Will that CV be in their record? and what'll be the effect.

I understood your point completely, but then I don't think they will ask me during internship out of sudden that, hey!!! you have interned at Firm X, do they?

Also, if they got to know, what will they do? Will they inform that firm?

This idea is only for getting good internships, and later on when I'll get good ones, I'll remove the fake one. Does it works??

(Sorry for being so ***** , but nowadays I find nothing ethical here, if someone terms this as unethical, then getting internship via contacts is one of the most unethical thing, I believe.)

Since legally India has removed the link, here is the one on Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_AZW7EPYxc/?igsh=dXZjZ2NjZzNzcDNm

LI please keep your guard up! No worries.

Hey, I recently started law school too, and my situation is quite similar to yours. I got into a Tier 3 nlu but ended up going to a private uni instead. I too struggle with anxiety and ADHD, both of which are yet to be diagnosed but I'm a little hesitant to approach a therapist.

My anxiety is mostly manageable during the day but it gets intolerably worse at night. I cannot sleep well and sometimes not at all, due to which I'm not performing well in my exams either.

College counselling is really not helping at all and I'm not even able to reach them, for they don't respond to the emails or anything.

I suggest telling your parents about what you're feeling and going through without alarming them too much. Seek counselling online or offline in your city, whichever you find convenient. If your college counsellors are anything unlike mine, do approach them. I don't really know anything about placements or the kind of jobs after college but I'll say this- Don't worry too much, you're not late. We've just started after all. Let things unfold slowly as they come.

Many of us are overwhelmed and confused. Talk to your friends from school and try doing things/hobbies you like too. Take it slow, take it small. Let's not give up, just yet

They will ask you to do simple math, like percentages etc. Was also asked questions from CV first. Then they ask about interest areas, and then ask you questions from your answers to that question. They would also like to know precisely why you're interested in resolut, and they will ask you what you know about their firm, the people, the transactions they've done etc. So focus on that.

If this is for an internship, please know that while they term it as an HR interview, it is a misnomer and it is in actuality a technical interview. When I appeared for the interview, an Associate took up the interview and asked questions mostly from CV and math questions like converting 1 million USD into INR.

Reuters

Telegram chief executive Pavel Durov is expected to appear in court on Sunday (August 25, 2024) after being arrested by French police at an airport near Paris...

This is a case of privacy vs security. Is this the digital war that we as lawyers need to be prepared for. What career options can we avail from this ? Do we even have academicians that teach these subjects at an expert level ? Why have we not included these detailed subjects in our curriculum !?

I applied for a job and received confirmation that there would be a phone interview, followed by an in-person interview. They asked me to provide a suitable date, and I responded the same day, confirming my availability for the next day. However, it's been three days, and I haven't heard back from them. Should I continue waiting, given that this is the only firm that has responded to my job application?

NLSIU recently put out an invite to teach Electives in the upcoming trimester (https://www.nls.ac.in/news-events/invitation-to-teach-elective-courses-at-nlsiu-november-2024-term/) and I was thinking of applying for the same. If you have ever taught one before, how was the experience?

Pavel Durov arrested in France. Officially because Telegram has become a reservoir for child porn, terrorism, movie piracy, drugs, etc. The real reason (which MSM won’t tell you but independent media will) is that he was trying to patch up with Putin and was also befriending the US right, having given an interview to Tucker Carlson recently. These two are unforgivable sins in the eyes of the Democrats and the US Deep State.

Coming to India, Telegram was sued in a number of copyright infringement cases and represented by KCO and various Senior Advocates. As Telegram works in great secrecy and doesn’t disclose the names of key officials, it’s interesting to know how KCO was in contact with them. Was there a middleman? Was he the conduit who paid fees?

I am in a law school in Bangalore which is hyper competitive. Everyone is doing something extra to have that X factor on their CVs. I will be the first in my family to read law, and want to understand is to have extra curricular activities like mooting, debating, etc to get internships at law firms. What is the fine balance on academics vs extra curricular activities. Thank you

No antitrust teams have ever or will ever work out of Blr. M&A & PE work broadly comes from the several startups in the city and their rounds of funding. The PE funds often go to GP at KCO or AZB. SR was a big name for tax aspects, too. Apart from that, there are several boutique law firms targetted towards startups. Make Google and Linkedin your friend and figure out the names.

Lastly, there's also some amount of tech & media focussed firms whose client's corporate needs are met by in-house teams of the same firm, like SRL or NKLaw — these guys don't generally do M&A/PE, but they get a fair share of corporate governance and contract law work from the tech clients.

The thing is, given that you have no other viable options at the moment, this is your best shot. That said, keep giving the interviews — be open to shifting cities and perhaps reach out to the boutique law firms that cater to MSMEs & start-ups for PE/VC transactions. If you get anything between a T2 and a T3, take it. Luthra is essentially a T2 today, as most would agree. So, a permanent position at some other T2 is way more important to you than a random chance at a law firm that has skipped fresher hiring for even the top NLUs in recent years.

Things aren't all that bad, to be fair. There are some new partners & APs who are nice to work with and cognizant of other people's life as a concept. But at the top level, it's alll the same. Those who couldn't tolerate that have left for greener pastures and seem to be much happier in other T2s/T3s, for what it's worth.

Don't worry, it happens when you join. We all went through it. And it's fine, things take time. Just focus on yourself, go to gym, be spiritual, talk to your parents or your well-wishers, never blame yourself for anything.

And lastly, don't worry about anything, it's just your first year, you must be tired after CLAT. Enjoy your company, instead of telling yourself that you are sad.

Now, about me, I'm in my 3rd year and been there. And still here. But then one thing I understood, the more you blame yourself the more you enter that phase of sadness.

Right now, instead of thinking about what will happen after 5 years, do this:

1. Go to class daily, and don't use mobile. Talk to your faculties.

2. Make your projects seriously, No Chat Gpt, write on your own. Slowly, you will learn how to write. Take help of your faculties and seniors, don't hesitate at all.

3. Read Newspaper daily (just editorial part, if you feel overwhelmed).

4. Don't compare yourself with anyone, at all. It will hurt you only.

5. Instead of thinking about what will happen, step up. If any opportunity comes, let's say for presenting a paper. You may not be knowing how things works, but you will put yourself in that situation and eventually learn. Just grab those small opportunities.

Bro, I can totally feel your issue. But don't make yourself vulnerable. I know you will rock!!

Don't repeatedly tell yourself that you are sad, don't feel guilty of anything. Instead be grateful for things which you have. Have faith in God.

All the best!

Please don’t go for a niche practice area at the start of your career, if you’re interested in finance— go for a B&F, DCM, Structured finance team which also does IBC. Otherwise, it’s like doing MS and cutting a body during surgery without doing MBBS where you absolutely lack understanding of the fundamentals and absolutely avoid CAM IBC.