Thank you for your reply. I agree with what you are saying, I love my work, the only issue is the payment and obvious taunts / societal perception that is getting on my nerves. I wish I had enough to shut everyone up. I know litigation will reap dividends eventually and tried explaining the career trajectory to my parents but I see why they are not satisfied. My office does have good clientile and I try to interact with who ever I can but could only end up with a few pro bono / low paying independent clients as I understand they dont want to pay a junior. My heart always was here, I never had any issue with the work, its just the low pay and gruelling hours which leaves me little to no time to try my hand at anything else. But thank you, will keep what you said in mind, I hope I grow like you soon.

This issue is not addressed often enough. Given the demand and supply mismatch in the legal profession, studying law in India now, given the high costs involved, is an economic suicide. And this is without accounting for the massive disruption in the knowledge economy being caused by the AI disruption. Litigation is also not a meaningful economic recourse for people from the first generation. It might work out in the long run, but we're all dead in the long run.

Or OP could venture into something more profitable and less taxing than law. OP, I know it's easier said that done but please consider an MBA- save every penny you make if you have to, but please please consider an MBA- lit is not for everyone and the sooner one accepts it the better.

PS: Just to add - don't fall for UPSC trap. It's no good. Especially when you're 27 already - your promotional avenues won't be much and by your late 50s you'd be cribbing about how you'd never be the DGP (or whatever) or end up in ego-driven seniority-determination-litigation. Anyway, it's a waste of time & effort. Litigation demands patience & hard work. Put that in, and hope for the best.

In litigation, do not measure your worth by the money you're making. The certificates, degrees, etc. also have no value here. There is only one consideration: do you add any value (to the client)? If yes, you will grow upward.

I wouldn't say there's no hope - contrary to what everyone else here seems to be suggesting. I know someone who was very unserious about life till early thirties (and, as a corollary, had slept through law school & didn't know anything). I don't know what happened, but one fine day they decided to turn their life around. Put in the hard work to build the skills. The main task is getting independent work. Tap into your network, try to get work. If you don't have a big enough network already, work on building that. I've said this multiple times on this platform previously - your network is your net worth.

You're 27. That's baby years by litigation standards. There's a long, long way to go ahead. Persevere.

Hey everyone,

I have got an upcoming internship at trilegal gurgaon office but wanted to ask whether the gurgaon office has the competition team. As that is my 1st preference.

If not which office i should try to get it change delhi or mumbai office? Which office has more chances of callbacks and ppos?

Any insight on the same, would help me....

Hi everyone,

So i have an upcoming internship with kco for the month of june and i got it through my college IC and my 1st pref was competition law team and 2nd being gen corp.

I wanted to ask the callbacks and ppo scenes for both the team and which one should i opt for, any insight will be helpful.

Yes, thank you for these kind words. I get it now. I understand skills are often acquired, and there is no fault in trying to do something that's outside my comfort zone. I am considering a 3-year llb since I am already a graduate and I believe that in the coming 3 years I can change a lot and build confidence. Its just these societal norms that hinders me

Loving it!!! Doing the opposite of what he is saying. Does anybody know if maybe Keir Starmer (the current British PM) and Sudhir were mates on the BCL together? After all, both did the BCL - can't remember off the top of my head when it is that Starmer did BCL. Maybe Sudhir is getting wrong inspirational feelings from watching him!

💯 TMC is really ramping up their legal team. He is the second NLU alum after Menaka Guruswamy to join the party. In addition, Kapil Sibal, AM Singhvi and Gopal Shankar Narayanan represent the party in cases. 💪

TMC is becoming the party of choice for NLU alumni.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVfhwpjEgbe/

Video of Menaka Guruswamy filing her nomination. Next to her is former Bengal DGP Police Rajiv Kumar and next to her is Arundhati Katju.

https://x.com/pooja_news/status/2029442952259579999

I think they will remain the same for the 27 batch, but only time will tell. Unfortunately, for campus placements, recruitment from law firms have tanked. Recruiters mostly come for in-house legal roles or random roles which have no relation to what you have studied for the past 5 years. However, if you want to move away from law, these may be a good option.

Better for you to try for a PPO rather than relying on college placements.

Social skills & proficiency at language is important, yes, but these things can be improved. They're skills, like any other. You have five years at law school. Use it. To the person telling everyone to quit law because of lack of social skills or poor language skills - I strongly differ. Social skills are of utmost importance, followed by grasp over language. But not enough reason to quit law itself.

Am curious to check, if someone is using AI apart from helping with diligence, preparing simpler agreements (like employment agreements, services agreements, NDAs), legal research?

If so, please do share?

Also, please do share the experience with various prompts/instructions since that has a tangible impact on the work product.

Haha. Nice assumptions about me. I never attended your college, and never plan to. In fact, literally the only connection I have with India at all ATM is the passport I am saddled with (haven't even been there for almost 18th months straight), which I don't have the option of getting rid of for a few years yet, and some family members who live there (indeed, I had forgotten last year on 15 August that it was Independence Day until I saw a tweet of the embassy of the country I am currently living in to India passing on their good wishes for the big day). I literally read LI to laugh at the amusing things you kids say, safe in the knowledge that they can never be traced back to you (and engage in mudslinging from time to time when I have a moment, and because it's fun). If the mods had been indiscrete enough to share my IP address, you would have seen that it is an IP address from 5000 miles or more away from where you are now: and that's how far off I have been from your college (and the country in general) for the last several (more than even I care to think of) years (and intend to stay for the lifespan afforded to me). I rarely get irritated when reading LI, because you silly kids, who have no better work in life than to "rant", afford much amusement to those who appreciate the more serious issues of life. All I am irritated with is this victimhood mentality about English: the very same pernicious nonsense that says CLAT should be in Hindi and ask questions about farming, instead of being in English and asking questions about French foreign policy in South America. Where will your precious vac scheme/TC offers go when your mentality takes hold, eh? But sure, carry on the mudslinging! Loving it!!! If Sudhir (who has never heard of me BTW) can be accused of the "Jindalification of NLS", then you sure can be accused of the "GNLUfication of NLS" also.

8 Lakhs to organise a moot is bonkers, judges aren’t usually paid at NLU’s, the travel is usually train tickets for prelim judges and airfare for the senior practitioners. Accommodation is also usually on campus and most resources utilised are pre existing. This is outright money minting similar to certificate courses and online competitions with registration fees working on volumes and one solicited internship opportunity every desperate law student runs after due to FOMO.

Thank you. Im genuinely having panic attacks and anxiety, these days are tough. The only negative I see was I had almost 7 months gap after my masters which may have affected my prospects. I didn't put myself in this situation on purpose, I literally tried everywhere and ended up taking the 1st job I got :(

Same situation. Same age factor. I know it is difficult. Just would say, look at the bright side in whichever situation you are. Many are not even making 10k in the profession despite 1-2 years being already in. Try switching careers if you don't find yourselves fit for it. Reach out to people around. Some of the people might help with jobs. Don't box yourself in legal jobs only. Especially, if you have found something that could be more satisfactory monetarily as well as emotionally.

Yes, tolerating mistreatment is the price of entry (and retention). We don't actually have any corporate-relevant skills that makes us distinguishable from any layperson on the street, and in any case, from any other lay-lawyer who has passed the Bar Exam and has some modicum of sense & language proficiency. So we're all just so easily replaceable that Partners and PAs really have no interest in treating us well, because when we leave they can find our replacement within the notice period or at the maximum a few months.

The real question I ask myself is why we are paid so highly. There are so many decently-talented graduates who are willing and able to push themselves to whatever extent for a shot to work at the Tier 1s just for the name brand alone, and I'm sure it'd be the same even if the pay were to be slightly reduced. Even at 1 LPM (down from 1.5 LPM), freshers would throng to these firms, so why not save the CSs, SSs and HKs of this world some more money?

The usual process for most students at T-1 firms is as follows:

Initial Internship → Presentation and/or Research Paper at the end of Initial Internship → (Positive) Feedback Form → Call-back/Assessment Internship → Partner(s) recommend you for PPO Interview consideration → PPO Interview → (Positive) PPO Interview Feedback → PPO Offer!

Alternatively some students also do long-term internships or become paralegals at these firms to secure a PPO recommendation.

You will have to start by securing your initial internship with the firm by applying to the firm (through college or independently or through contacts :)

Duration really depends on the path you follow tbh, some only have to intern for a couple of months and they secure the PPO whereas some can even pursue very very long internship periods via extensions. Depends on your ability and resilience!

Hope this helps!

HEYYY, i hope you are doing well? i am currently a 3rd year student with okayish-decent CV i am scared that i will end up in a sitatution like this and i didnt do much for 2 years of law school because i badly wanted to switch my career path but now i do not have any option took 30 lakhs loan for this college's fees and i badly need good internships and a good job, please suggest what to do , i have tried my ways, cold emailing , linkdein dms, cold calling, nothing is working out and i am willing to put in the hard work

Everything was good but later the committee people make everything pathetic and surely you guys IPL01 are cowards and now you will pay for your mistakes. But for sure I will make those committee people cry and living hell. They will ask for a dignified life but won’t get. The committee was headed by so called bangali mota

sad to +1 this i know this comment will get -ve but this is true in the same boat as now i reaching the marraigable age, nobody in my current pay-scale is accepting me (despite good bilt and looks).

luckly left the lit side joined papa ka galla ( bussiness)

best choice trust me

(i am from a decent T2- nlu good internships and even master from london but still i was not able to break 50k payscale.

I'd heard somewhere (won't swear to it, as I don't follow this stuff regularly) that the UPSC CSE age limit has been increased, even for general candidates. Can't find the exact website where I saw this, but distinctly remember seeing it. Changed to 32, I believe. So why not try again? You've gotten some life experience also now, maybe give it a thought?

lets understand some basic logic propositions. a person can be designed a senior advocate, get briefed by the top firms and still be a hate monger.

and attempting something does not make a person an intellectual or worthy of being platformed. to spell out the most basic issue, he cant even distinguish between descriptive and normate claims. to make it clear, my issue with him is not his ideology. i think all intelelctual work is ideologically driven. my issue with him is the basic lack of respect for theory and method. a bricolage of things that sound interesting is not intellectual work. its what we did in school for our 8th grade projects.

Its a rebuttable presumption after a certain point. Do a network analysis of how NLS faculty all know each other from before being hired and you'll find a lot of these ties go deep.

Some of these professors will resent the patronage system that led to corruption in previous generations but essentially engage in the same thing themselves.

There was a person involved in teaching law subjects at the university who did not have an LLM. They had an MA. According to BCI regulations they were explicitly not even qualified to teach law courses or to be hired as an assistant professor of law. They have recently left the university to go pursue a phd somewhere else but it was clear to their students that the legal training was just not there and instead you just got social justice pablum.

The point is that you shouldn't confuse polish for value. Candidates who paid their way into fancy degrees abroad who do not have publications or did not win scholarships and who often have nothing to recommend them at all are being preferred over equally qualified if not more experienced candidates. You draw this binary between - foreign llm good/ indian llm bad- maybe. to some extent. Yale llm is better than NLS. Sure . is a UCLA/QMUL/ Melbourne/ Random European University ? I'm not so certain. Thats not even a function of how much english you have- thats a function of how much money you have. How many of the young people hired even have a decent publication record or any teaching experience? This is the jindalification of NLS to be honest.

I understand why people are defensive of Sudhir- he came in when there was deep rot within the system and seemed to remedy some of its worse excesses. The kind of people he has hired- would never even have applied to NLS in years prior. But that doesnt mean hes perfect and we need to ignore all the corruption that goes on. Sunlight is a disinfectant always.

Mohit is a wonderful guy. Soft spoken and knows his stuff.

Akila is nice but always treats everyone like a junior associate. You win her approval and you will learn a lot.

Anchal.... brilliant but anger management issues. Thick skin needed.

Anshu... Anchal part 2 in the making hope doesn't get to that. Otherwise a wonderful person.

In the end it doesn't mattwr who you work with. All that matters at CAM is who is in the circle of trust or the flavour of that time. If you work for someone in those categories, you got it made. Else youre just there for the stamp, to learn whatever max you can learn and then just go somewhere else where they actually treat merit as merit.

because other NLUs aren't the only universities in the world. Many of these people are in private universities, some are in universities abroad. Do you know what it means to have books be published by OUP/CUP ? do you know what it is to have publications in nature? do you know what a small percentage of academics in India ever have that? You're dismissing these candidates without even knowing who they are- exactly what nls might be doing- because what? arrogance? if someone isnt in sudhirs immediate orbit are they by definition not good academics? i'm talking about people who are internationally competitive who have told me these things.

Why is your knee jerk reaction not- yes we should have transparency? why is it- oh youre just talking about people who might be gaming the system instead of people who are very credible? you dont even know who they are!

You will have to weigh the pros and cons.

5 Years vs. 6 Years

A BA Hons / Program degree and then an LLB degree vs. An integrated BA.LLB degree

Who knows after spending 3 years doing a BA, you change your mind and don't want to pursue law.

Further, there is no guarantee whether you will make it to CLC, the competition at PG level is quite intense. While it has the greatest litigation legacy in the country (most judges and senior advs are from CLC/ LC-I / LC-II), it lacks in placements.

Hi, happy to hear about your transition into your new role. This is probably a long shot but I'm in quite the opposite situation. Currently in-house (T1 NLU, 2025 batch) but want to move to a law firm [T1/T1/Boutique] very soon. My current compensation and growth prospects will not support my family situation and the learning curve has also been disappointing to say the least. Could you please provide any guidance on how to proceed? I have started emailing HRs, partners but no response yet. Almost all recruiters require prior law firm work ex. So I feel I'm on my own for now. I'd genuinely appreciate any help. TIA.