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also hey you know what, if abroad doesn't work out, do your level best to build a life you can be proud of here. I mean this with all due sincerity towards someone I certainly don't know, Good luck in whatever your endeavours may be.
Thanks for not being the usual troll, meaningful responses always are more fruitful. Also yes, I suppose going to the UK with eyes open is the best course. As it stands time will tell if I can pull this off. Though, I am curious on how you've managed to pull it off in the U.K (to absolutely nobody's surprise).
Also, how many hours do you typically work each day, and what do your weekends look like? Are you usually working through them, taking them off, or somewhere in between?
What all have you achieved, as in bought a house, car, vacations etc?
from GNLU, NALSAR, NLS, NLUJ, NLUD, NUJS, HNLU, RML etc.
https://x.com/vijeshetty/status/2059805101498532141
From my interactions so far, he appears quite knowledgeable, responsive, and genuinely willing to answer queries in detail. He also comes across as approachable and compassionate, which is refreshing in the recruitment space.
That said, I wanted to understand whether those qualities translate into being an effective legal recruiter in practice. Does he have strong mandates? Do reputed law firms and legal teams actively rely on him for hiring? Has anyone here successfully secured interviews or placements through him?
Would appreciate hearing both positive and negative experiences, particularly from lawyers who have engaged with him during a job search.
Do let us know about Office Number 3 when you get time
Any thoughts, views, and opinions would help a ton.
Basic info - no fee, but eligibility limited to top 5 students who apply per law school and they may offer internships.
I heard he broke a glass bottle on his junior’s head in anger 😂 Some say this was at his office, others say he flew into a rage and did this inside the Court premises itself 😂🤣
Guy has the wildest stories about him 😂😂
I wanna know:
1. Before covid did anyone use so, or
Laptop in courtroom? What was the reaction of the judges then?
2. Ipads became common after covid, but exactly when? Which years especially? So far aa i know delhi bar was the first to adopt it, both hc and sc, then slowly followed by other hcs within a year or two max
3. If liquidtext was available on android tabs as well, would they be more prominent than ipads today?
4. For those who got the opportunity to work with both, physical briefs and ipads, which one is better and how did the transition go about for u? Was it difficult? What do u miss about physical briefs or any thing u want from the earlier times?
5. From personal experience i can say most briefs today recieved in most well to do chambers are virtual
Good 90-95 percent. Rarely one or two physical. Most chambers are paperless. What does the future look like? Will it continue to be like this? What do you all think? Esp those who transitioned from physical to digital briefs
Need help in knowing more on teams at trilegak Bangalore. Which are good teams to work with? How is the culture. Also what is general pay for alteral hires at A2 A3?
It would also be helpful if members could share insights regarding the approximate salary ranges offered in such offices, or generally in Bengaluru, for fresh law graduates and advocates with one to two years of litigation experience.
Additionally, I would be grateful if anyone could share their experiences regarding the working environment in these offices, particularly from the perspective of female juniors such as the office culture, mentorship opportunities, professional growth, work-life balance, and overall inclusiveness.
As someone relatively new to the Bengaluru Bar, I have found it challenging to understand the civil litigation landscape and identify practitioners known for mentoring juniors. Any guidance, recommendations, or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated.
OP here. Thank you for your concern and kind words 🙏🏻🪷🌸 Yes, I’m in a much better place right now.
I completely agree. This is why it’s so important to be street smart. Since I was a kid, I was a bookworm. I loved to study, followed whatever my teachers said religiously and toed the line completely. Whatever ideals and ethics lessons we were taught at school, I took them quite literally. Even my CLAT coaching teacher called me, “too idealistic”. I genuinely believed that, “Truth alone triumphs”, “Good always wins over evil” and other such stuff you learn from childhood, in the stories you’re taught with a moral lesson, in the ethics and morals classes at school as well as college.
At law school, I would readily buy into the lofty ideals written into our constitution, judgements, BCI rules and I would feel so good about how our Judiciary held itself to such impeccable standards. How despite our legislature and executive being too far gone, our Judiciary was still standing as the last beacon of hope. Especially when you’re fed all such unicorns and rainbows and more by your law school teachers who paint a very rosy picture when you’re a first year and they’re trying to retain you so that you don’t change colleges. (I got to know this later from a senior who stayed in my hostel). And when you read books on legendary judges and lawyers, they’re described as other-worldly and almost divine by their colleagues.
Plus, I was the quintessential teacher’s pet in school. I used to top my exams, carry odd errands around the school for my teachers, participate in whatever competition and workshop they asked me to when they didn’t have any other student takers since they had a quota to complete for student participation and burn myself out just to please them. I remember how deeply ingrained and imprinted were the ideals they’d taught us since kindergarten. “Guru-Shishya Parampara”, “Gurur Brahma Gurur Vishnu, Gurur Devo Maheshwara”, “How the stature and place of a teacher is even above your parents and just below God”. I still remember the poster on the corridor where my 8th std classroom was. It described the meaning of “Guru: Gu + Ru = One Who Removes Darkness”. A common complaint my mum had throughout my schooling years was, whatever her teachers tell her, she takes it literally as if it’s set in stone. She’ll run around at the last minute, at midnight, if her teacher tells her to participate in something at the last minute. My mum finally got fed up of my 7th std class teacher making me do her errands around the school, checking her papers and books, and told her off in the next PTA meeting and asked her to stop treating me as her personal assistant and let me study since she would tell me to give a book to another teacher at the start of class and by the time I came back, having walked across the school campus and back half the class was over and I would miss the concepts taught. At that point I didn’t even go to tuitions since our principal told us not to and I took it literally. My mum would scold me for that and complained about my insane teacher appeasement behaviour to my Masi.
My masi used to say that teachers and all are limited to inside the school. A once school gets over and the bell rings, they’re just normal people and one should treat them as such. No need to show so much reverence towards them. I would bend down to touch the feet of whichever teacher I bumped into outside school since we were taught that in school. That would be my highlight for the week and I would tell my friends I bumped into so and so today.
This incident really burst a bubble and I realized that though the proverbs and shlokas about teachers are on point, they don’t apply to all. Just because someone mugs up some concepts about a subject does not make them a Guru and does not elevate them to the stature this word carried. And so they should not be held to the same sense of awestruck fascination and devotion I so naively and tbh, stupidly harboured. At that point, I was straight out of my school which was very strict in upholding standards of behavioural conduct, dress code, academic excellence etc. so I kept all my college teachers as well on the same pedestal we were taught at school.
Moreover, one should keep an eye for all the red flags in the behaviour of the perpetrator. I could not register them on account of the rose colored glasses I had on at that time. After our guest lecture was over, some students went over to discuss their doubts and engage in discussions, I was one of them. You know the lists of advocates students can intern under that the college circulates? His name was on it. Our teacher had asked him to explain a couple of concepts which she would not be covering and had asked everyone to attend compulsorily as those topics would not be repeated in class later. I thought to myself that was a great opportunity. I could discuss my internship prospects with him at college itself, instead of having to go to his office alone. A week prior to the guest lecture, I didn’t even know someone like him existed on the planet.
Anyways, when my turn came I asked, “Sir are you taking any interns? Your name is on the list our college gave us, of the advocates we can intern under.” He told me to walk with him as he had to meet the dean. Now our classroom was on the first floor. The dean’s office was at the end of the corridor on the ground floor. While walking he asked if I understood the concept our group had doubts in and asked me a couple of questions regarding it. They all had stayed back in class since their doubts had been solved. Since I was the only one remaining, I walked with him to the dean’s office. Since the dean was preoccupied, he was requested to wait. I stood behind clutching my notebook. The teacher who asked us to wait asked him to please sit and wait for a few minutes. There was a bench next to our dean’s office with it’s back to the wall at the end of the corridor. He sat down and motioned me to sit next to him. I sat to his right after leaving some space in between. I started to discuss the internship again and asked him if he had any vacancies. He told me to call him and fix an appointment at his office to discuss it since he had to meet our dean right now. I said okay, and asked him his office address, opening my notebook with my pen ready to jotted in down.
He said I’ll give you my card and started to take it out of his pocket. After he took it out of his pocket, he folded his arms and slipped his left hand under his right arm and shook his card that was wedged in the fingers of his left hand, as a signal for me to take it. I still remember how odd it looked and how perplexed I felt. Why was he slipping his card like he was handing over some contraband? (This was the same posture he would enact later) Anyways, so while feeling utterly confused and weirded out, I took the card and tried to shake off this feeling. After I took the card, he told me to keep it in my notebook, lest I lose it. I had it in my hand. So I kept it in my notebook (I later realized he was asking me to hide it). After I do that I look up and see our moot court teacher walking towards us in the corridor with her eyes widened. Like she had caught him dealing contraband or something. And after seeing her, he immediately stiffened, straightened up and stood to greet her. He looked very flustered like he had been caught in the act of doing something wrong. She faked a laugh and said the dean was ready to meet him. And that made me even more confused. Later, I rationalized it to myself that maybe this was to not let out the news of him taking interns out or else he would be swamped with applications and I might never get a chance since our entire class and our seniors as well, would apply. Looking back, I realized how absolutely dumb my excuse for his extremely weird behaviour was and maybe the reason why my moot court teacher looked so shocked was perhaps he had had complaints made against him prior? Since students at our college has been interning under him and this was the same list that had been circulated to our seniors as well.
That was the first red flag. The second one was during the interview process. As soon as I sat down, he told me the question our college teachers had told us to expect and prepare answers for, in advance as it would be asked for sure. “So tell me about yourself”. I started repeating the answer I had prepared: academic history, strengths, weaknesses, hobbies, reasons for doing the internship etc. When I mentioned that I loved to read and was a voracious reader, he stopped me and asked me names of some of the books I had read. I started saying, “To Kill a Mockingjay”… and he stopped me once again, said he was impressed and asked if I read non fiction as well. I said yes and started listing down the books I had read. He paused me to ask me if I was into history and I said yes. I was a major history buff and when asked what history books I had read, I started off my list with Rajtarangini by Kalhana since that was the latest I had read and the most I remembered so if he asked me any questions related to it, I’d be able to answer them relatively better than the books I had read earlier. At that he interrupted me and looked quite surprised and said that I didn’t expect a first year student to have had read it. I said my social studies teacher had suggested it in the end of 10th std. He said, “Wow, that’s very smart”. With an emphasis on “smart”. He said I reminded him of his elder daughter who was a vociferous reader and read a lot as well. He then got up and pulled out Rajtarangini from his shelves behind his desk and showed it to me. And said that as his intern, I would have access to his collection of books at all times and could ask to read it anytime. I remember feeling so happy I had passed the interview and had been selected. He then remarked that I had a long name and if he could call me by my pet name. He guessed my pet name out loud with a questioning tone at the end. I immediately blurted, “This is exactly what my papa calls me! And some other family members too! My mum calls me by a different name though.” (Like suppose someone’s called Deepika, her pet name would be Deepu, if someone’s called Anushka, her pet name would be Nushkie). I remember thinking of how I had found a father figure in the new senior advocate I was going to intern under since he told me I reminded him of his DAUGHTER. I genuinely thought that him guessing the same nickname my father called me by was also a sign that he thought of me as his daughter. That lowered my guard even more since a girl feels the safest in presence of her parents and here was someone who was portraying himself as my father figure. After all who would suspect someone who was being so nice and telling me I reminded him of his daughter? Looking back, I beat myself up over how unbelievably naive and stupid I was to be so trusting. But then reconciled in light of the environment I had grown up in where I had no reason to be suspicious of someone like him who was a teacher and thus, by extension, automatically to be trusted. And how I was barely an adult at that time
Later on I realized how what he said was inappropriate. This was the second red flag. In my latter internships and work experience, never did ANY of my seniors, forget the advocates I was working under, ever ask me if they could call me by a shortened version of my name, forget a pet name. It is then I realized how essential it is to have street smarts. It’s much better to be a streetwise person who scores average and is able to detect danger and stay safe than to be a book smart bookworm who tops their exams but becomes an easy target due to their naïveté. It’s so important to teach your kids to be sharp, astute, and street savvy first. Marks can always be improved later
OP here. Yes, Gujarat’s supposed to be relatively safer, and to an extent is, when compared to places like Haryana, Bihar etc. Like in the city I was in, my friends and classmates who were locals told me I could stay out till 10 pm without any worries, especially in the new areas, just had to avoid the old city areas. However, this happened at his house, which is in a very posh society, during afternoon. I couldn’t have predicted this as this wasn’t a seedy alley in a dangerous area at night m. Which is why I had my guard down
i had something confirmed but it didn’t work out for some reason.
do indus or link legal accept?
honestly any leads or suggestions are helpful…
People working/have worked/acquainted with their work - would you suggest applying? I am fine with a cut of upto ten percent, given that the switch is actually worth it and the people there are not assholes to work with. I am also due a promotion next year, so would not want to fumble my chances and trajectory for nothing. Genuine advice, details and help please. Thanks!
also what matters do they pick up? also whats the pay?
The issue - I did not get a tier 1 internship through my RCC on the first cycle ( it was due to my gpa, a lot of people above me). If I don't get a Tier 1 internship in my 4th year, chances are that I won't get placed there either.
i obviously can't bring my gpa to top 30 right now. so should I even bother about getting a tier 1 placement on day zero ? Is it possible? I was thinking about doing internship at boutiques which specialize in gen corp transactions. ( would like recommendations) which would help me stenghten my CV.
If T1 isn't possible, then what is the best course for me to get a tier 1 job later on in the future through a lateral switch? how do I maximize by chances.
( To clarify, I'm not glamorizing T1 jobs or putting them on a pedestal in any way, its just that my very humble background + limited exposure - made me do law on the premise that there is a shit ton of money).
I don't care about work life balance, I cannot literally afford it due to loans.
Regarding my gpa - I always felt like academics wasn't really my thing. I unfortunately for my present self was never really passionate about it. Inspite of my mid gpa however , I have always performed better at corporate law gpa wise and prefer to pursue it. I am interested in general transactional work (M& A, bnf etc), and have experience in IP law and want to switch.
I never really realised how important my gpa was in placements until the start of my 3 rd year, because I really thought that the mere fact that i was in a T1 law school would give me pretty good opportunities. (silly me, I did not realise that even here it's only the cream and not the milk )
I have derived much more pleasure during my internships, and have gotten good feedback about my temperament and work. I do understand why firms select by GPA due to it being a common objective parameter, but I feel like I'm just getting filtered out in the system inspite of having a genuine interest. ( too many people - too few opportunities)
Currently I'm thinking of applying to firms who do transactional work and needed a few recommendations on those as well. additionally, what are some tier 1's/ well paying boutiques which aren't very strict on their gpa requirement?
I'm open to advice but give me the realistic possibilities.
Would greatly appreciate it, since I really don't feel like asking a senior or anyone i know.
Now all three of them (nls, nalsar, nujs) have excellent faculty and academics and have the best placements in the country. What sets nujs apart is the freedom and autonomy the students get. Their personalities are not subjugated against academic pressure and they actually have a LIFE on campus. I visited NUJS during Trilaterals (sports fest) to find that they have no curfew timings, frequent parties, college activities and a liberal faculty which gives them space to live their own lives in peace. If you're looking for Peace, Prowess and Placements NUJS is the place to go.