OPEN LETTER TO CHAIRMAN, BAR COUNCIL OF INDIA

Dear Mr. Subramaniam,

Recent media reports(Hindustan Times, 03/05/10) suggest that the Bar Council of India is introducing a qualifying bar examination from September,2010.

We are writing this mail to draw your attention to some of the concerns of final year law students on the introduction of the bar examination in July-August,2010. As responsible law students and soon to be members of the bar we do not wish to question this reform, which is in the interest of the country and has wide support of the legal community. Even the Supreme Court of India has backed this step in Bar Council of India v. Bonnie Foi Law College. We feel such a step is necessary to regulate the quality of legal education in India and to meet the challenges posed by the demand for quality legal services due to globalization and rapid growth of the Indian economy.

Our concerns are as follows:

  1. The conduct of these exams in September will mean that final year students seeking enrollment with the bar will have no opportunity to prepare for the same, as till date neither the examination nor the syllabus for the same has been notified.
  2. Since Final year law students will get limited time for preparation many of them may not qualify, they will remain unemployed for a year and in a competitive job market the long-term impact on their careers could be disastrous.
  3. Law students who have received job offers contingent on their registration with the bar will be adversely affected as they will not be able to join their future employers.
  4. Law schools with three year law courses like University of Delhi will be subject of discrimination as most National Law School students would pass their exams and enroll with the bar by May/June itself, while students of University of Delhi and other law faculties will get their results of their final term examinations only in July/August.
  5. The examination may not be conducted efficiently and fairly in a hurried manner and the failure of the first bar exam will be unfortunate and may jeopardize the public support for the exam.

We would request you to ensure that in order to give a fair chance to law students who have not had notice of this exam, such law students may be admitted to the bar subject to their clearing the Bar Examination in 2010 or at the next attempt 2011. In this way final year law students will get a fair chance at the exam and their careers would be safe guarded.

The essence of the constitutional guarantee of Art.14 is non-arbitrariness. This decision announced at the fag end of the academic session does not give a fair chance to final year law students. Further it disrupts employment contracts entered into much prior to the announcement of this decision. This decision will jeopardize the careers of not only those who may fail any prospective exam but even of those who will pass it, as they maybe unable to secure the support of their prospective employers to wait till September to take them on board.

We trust that you shall consider our concerns and make a reasonable exception and admit law students to the bar in June/July/August subject to their passing the exam in September 2010 or September 2011.

We hope that the macro concerns of implementing this policy will not cause you to overlook the micro concerns of final year law students, who are now anxious about their future.

We entrust our future to you.

Sincerely

Collective of Final Year Law Students

Comments

Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 14:11
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I think the students should have a bit of patience. The BCCI is a fair body and they will take their concerns into account.

Having said that, I dont understand the bit about third year students being discriminated.
Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 14:17
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Well, one needs to start somewhere. No matter when the exams commence, someone will feel affected. I emphatise with your cause, batch of 2010, but disagree that the proposed exams will dampen your career prospects. Think long term. These exams will only do you good. What are you scared of? Failing? If you clear the exam - great - you'll belong to a rare breed. If you fail - even better. Failure is a great teacher. You'll need the reality check and work even harder the next time around.

Down the line - many of your life's challenges will come unannounced. No point whining. To succeed, you just have to take them on. Statements like "We entrust our future to you" sound so fake. Com'on, are you so helpless??

Legal Dodo
Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 14:59
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the concerns are misplaced. the bar exam will essentially test waht one has learnt in the 5 years of education, not what can learn in 5 weeks.
Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 16:33
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@ #3 - how can you say that? U setting the paper or what? Reality check: Even after a JD from Harvard / Columbia, students need to prepare for the NY Bar Exam

@ #2 - what u say is fair enough, BUT too much of gyaan on failure funda dude. Every1 knows what you are saying but how many want to fail and learn :P
"Down the line - many of your life's challenges will come unannounced. No point whining." - I think they are not whining ... its just a strategy.
Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 18:22
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How can the exam take place w/0 amendment in the Advocates Act. Just a query!
Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 19:04
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Well if the bar exam is like the judicial services exam it will be a waste of time and nobody except the best rote learners will be able to pass it. Further introduction of the bar exam at this time of the year with no fair notice violates the doctrine of legitimate expectations and is subject to constitutional challenge. In a similar case i think medical students successfully challenged the introduction of the rural work requirement a few years ago.
Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 19:23
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The main concern is not about fear of failing. Really a lot of us are quite confident we'll pass. But the question is our bar enrollment is stuck till the exam is conducted. That means if I have a contract with a law firm to join them by June - I can't and minimally i lose three months salary and what could be worst my firm could replace me with a lateral hire before September.

Second, it has to happen some year and its a good step..but it should at least be announced well in advance so that one students can prepare and two prospective employers can hire accordingly.

Just because someone is in a hurry to push this thru doesn't mean it should be done arbitrarily.
If this decision had been announced back in September it would have been welcome but to do it now is unfair.

Tell me Mr. Legal Dodo sir, do you prepare for your briefs or just rely on your experience?
Final Year Law Student 3 May 2010, 20:22
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When Isaac became a young boy, God spoke to Abraham and commanded him to take his son to Mount Moriah and offer him as a sacrifice to God. This was God’s test of Abraham’s faith. Abraham loved his son very much, but did not hesitate to follow God’s words for he was a man whose faith in God was strong. As Abraham and his son reached the place where the sacrifice was to be performed, Isaac said to his father, “Father, where is the lamb that is to be sacrificed?”

Must we become the lambs to be slaughtered for the good of the legal community.
Why did they not announce this exam at the beginning of the academic session?
Will nobody in the legal community stand up for us?
(we mean no disrespect to the particular faith from which this story is borrowed, it just fits!)
Final Year Law Student 3 May 2010, 20:38
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Sorry we haven't been able to send this out to anyone in the BCI.
other than the Acting Secretary of the BCI via e-mail.
Can someone send this out to Mr. Subramaniam please?

@1 @4 @ 6Thank you for your support.

@5 we dont want to focus on the question of whether the amendment is required to bring in the exam. We don't want to get in the way of the exam we just want a fair chance.
gyan 4 May 2010, 00:16
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With all due respect to final year law students, you expect syllabus for advocate exams? DONT EXPECT, WELCOME TO LEGAL WORLD!!

There are two sides of each coin so there will be some negative parts as well. At the same time, I will say wait and watch game!!

Yah, I am sure, it wont be handle in a good manner. They wont be able to conduct exams regularly atleast. Who will conduct exams? when & how, they will conduct exams when 1 will pass out on 20th april and one passes out on 20th may. how can you stop (20th April guy) to wait for next exam date which may be near (may guy). It will be a big discrimination!!

but anyway till it is not officially out as a rule of bar council, we shall wait. just relax and dont worry. it will be an easy exam guys....they cant make it so tough even they need lawyers in India ;).

Trust me, good students/avg students or who wants to be a lawyer , they will pass...

dont worry friends
gyan
Anonymous guest 4 May 2010, 04:48
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I am a final year law student - this post does not reflect my views. It is foolish to oppose reform. We cry ourselves hoarse about the state of the legal profession and when the BCI finally does something that makes sense, we cry ourselves hoarse about something that is just so damn petty it makes my blood boil. there is a lot that is wrong with the profession - focus your energies there - not cry to your mummy saying "but this is out of syllabus" or "but we want preparation time, and mock tests". For crying out loud, behave your age. You are not in class six. And comparisons with the NY bar are just foolish - this is not going to be anything like the NY bar - you know it. If i were the Chairman, i would say this in response to this badly drafted, insecure and just plain stupid letter: "Shove it".
Signed: A law schoolite who is confident about her legal acumen and basic legal knowledge.
Anonymous guest 4 May 2010, 13:08
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i am myself a final year grad student, and from whatever i have learnt in last five years of law school, I guess the bar exam is still two years in the making. be rest assured that some lawyer somewhere would file a petition in some HC claiming some infringement and with a stay order, the 2010 batch of llbs would get their registration. also to conduct such a huge exercise with close to 16000 applicants would be no mean task for bci and its state affiliates, thus it would pose such logistical challenge that it would take more than a year to have the set up. attention can be drawn to the clat exam, it took 16 months to decide on the modalities. so guys sit back and relax.
Anonymous guest 4 May 2010, 15:50
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@12..I expect the same..Lot of procedure to go!n state bar councils a helluva lot!so chill guys the batch of 10! we r safe..By this i dont wanna say that i m scared of this exam, but I am just scared to loose my 6 months of salary..being a graduate(obviously i will pass)i will hafta work for a stipend in my firm...
anirban1 4 May 2010, 17:17
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Lose vs Loose

A lot of people are mixing up lose and loose, @ #13,In particular, has written "loose" when he/she meant mean 'lose'.
Further the name states NLIU.Is this an example of the general ignorance of English in this university?

Here are the definitions of the two words from the dictionary:

loose [lOOs] adj not fastened or pre-packed; not tied up or confined; able to move freely; not tight, not firmly fixed; not close-fitting; careless, inaccurate, vague; dissolute, immoral; not closely woven; flabby; (of bowels) inclined to diarrhoea; l. box stable or van in which an animal can move about; at a l. end uncertain what to do next; unoccupied ~ loose adv in a loose way; play fast and l. behave rashly or unscupulously ~ loose n release; on the l. free from restraint; on a spree; ~ loose v/t untie, undo; release from confinement or constraint, set free; detatch; fire (gun); shoot (arrow); (eccles) absolve.

lose (p/t and p/part lost) [lOOz] v/t and i no longer have; be deprived of by accident or misfortune; mislay, fail to find; fail to get or win; be too late for; be bereaved of; waste; be defeated or beaten; suffer loss, become worse off; fail to hear, see or understand; cause or allow to perish; (of clock or watch) go too slowly; (refl) miss the right path; become absorbed in; l. one's head become flustered, panic; l. one's temper grow angry; l. one's way fail to find the right path; l. out (US) be defeated after a struggle.

Examples:


This knot is too loose.
Please do not lose my book.
I had better not lose that file.

One way to remember the difference between the two words is to think that "lose has lost an 'o'".
Anonymous guest 4 May 2010, 17:46
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@14 Thanx for the enlightment!

u only c wat you want to c!Majority of the people do this & you are no different!

For eg.A positive person might have seen it as a typing mistake! But you wanted to prove your point that National products are a waste!so the argument!

If you are a student then i have a concert..The main issue will be deviated during the argument & you will be busy checkin spelling mistakes, punctuation etc n meanings ofcourse!

N if you are already an advocate with all due respect to your experience..MY EDUCATION IS NOT A WASTE!
Anonymous guest 4 May 2010, 17:54
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@14 n another thing!even if it is a mistake i have done, you do not have the rights to humiliate my college!You are one among the bunch of narrow minded ppl in our country.One student may represent the college, but only one student cannot be taken into account to decide with the college standard!
Anonymous guest 5 May 2010, 21:29
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if the exams are from september, doesnt it mean that the standing rule would be that the current rules for enrolment will apply (unless there a stay on enrolments till the bar exams fall into place)...if that is the case, then the current batches do not need to worry about enrolment!
Anonymous guest 5 May 2010, 21:45
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@anirban - yes yes, we all know you are very smart can we please proceed to the main issue now?

@final year law student - i myself am a final year student from a national law university and i feel you are quite justified in the request. while i do now oppose the reform or even feel that the preparation time is too less, i do believe that there is very little to time to work out the modalities of the exam and be able to conduct it in an efficient manner. there are bound to be a lot of confusions and it will be difficult to hold it in such short notice. the sufferers will us.

@11 - yes yes we know you are very smart too and calling the letter 'badly drafted and plain stupid' is quite something when all you can come with is 'shove it'. it will be really appreciated if you act your age and address the issues pointed out in the letter in a logical manner rather than creating unnecessary rhetoric and asking people to behave their age when you clearly are not.

@nalsar grad - completely agree that it is next to impossible realistically for the exam to be able to be conducted this year. however, there is no harm in voicing our concerns with time on our hands. nevertheless, very sharp observation.
Anonymous guest 5 May 2010, 22:40
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This is #11. There is nothing to address in this letter. I do not see a single concern worth responding to.

Let me explain this to you slowly: There will be bar exam. You will write bar exam. You may not be required to write also (yaay), if it is multiple choice. In which case, you have to take pencil and darken some circles. There may be squares also. That could be an issue for you if they dont tell you beforehand.

If you smart like me, you will pass. If you are not, then you wont pass. And not passing will be sad for you, but good for this country and for the justice system as a whole. Understood? Feel free to ask questions.
Anonymous guest 6 May 2010, 16:37
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@ 18 - I think I'm in love with you.

Seriously, its not that big a deal.

Yes, you won't have time to prepare Yes, its going to be rushed and hurried and possibly a little tough. Yes, its going to be so sad, if you LOSE out on three months salary if your law firm is stupid enough to think like that.

I'm a final year student, I've already been hired. And I've already started working. And you know what, SHOCKINGLY my firm actually has full faith in the fact that I'll clear the exam. Because thats what a smart person would think. If they've hired me to handle transactions involving crores of someone's money, they better have faith in me to pass a silly Bar exam!

For christ's sake, get over your whining and if you feel the need to, START STUDYING FOR THE EXAM NOW!
Anonymous guest 6 May 2010, 17:53
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@20..be kind & SMART ENOUGH TO prescribe the syllabus
Anonymous guest 6 May 2010, 22:06
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This chain has been extremely entertaining. And the arguments prove that the institution of law is in safe hands. :P
I have a concern which is specific to people who have been hired for training contracts in UK law firms... qualification into the Bar is mandatory for the experience to start counting. So if this September exam does happen (i wish to God that you guys are right about modalities, stay orders etc) people like me look to "lose" not just salary but more than 6 months of experience with potentially nothing to do at this last moment for those months.
Any thoughts on this, anyone?
Anonymous guest 6 May 2010, 23:02
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Ha ha ha

This guy Anirban seems to be a huge "loser" with his brains "loose" from the connecting tissue....

I think thats a good way to remember the difference in usage...
Anonymous guest 8 May 2010, 08:11
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Finally, with the bar exam in place the Gen- X law students will be absolved of being non- legal. But the manner in which it is being implemented hurriedly seems to repeat the disaster NALSAR created with reference to the quality of entrance exam it conducted last year. Perhaps, we can expect better discussions on this forum than having people obsessed to post for the sake of posting. Oxford ALD will definitely serve the purpose than Anirban's ostentatious scholarship. [...]
Anonymous guest 8 May 2010, 20:42
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does this bar exam will also affect 2009 pass out students who had not registered themselves with BCI, as generally law must be prospective and not retrospective in nature.
Anonymous guest 14 May 2010, 17:08
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i agree with the author of this post
Anonymous guest 14 May 2010, 20:31
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in my opinion it is not at all fair .it will put the future of law students on stake ...and this decession will add to unemployment problem.... serious thougt need to be given by BAR COUNCIL OF INDIA.
Anonymous guest 16 May 2010, 20:48
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I just want to pray one thing that the enrollment of we final year grads should not be deferred and the exam can be kept as a post enrollment procedure.
Some provision for temporary enrollment based on certain contingencies and conditions may be made of which passing the BAR exam would hold top priority in addition to the other conditions that it may deem fit and appropriate.
Anonymous guest 23 May 2010, 23:34
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So what is the latest position about the examination
Anonymous guest 23 May 2010, 23:53
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I called in the office of delhi bar council's office and the person who picked my phone informed me that unless the will get the notification any law graduate can come and get himself enrolled. But when my other frnd called the office of delhi bar council they informed that they have stoped enrolment from 1st May.

I m failed to understand that why BCI itself is so confused .

I guess there is not even a single person in India who can give the clear position that whether final year law students passing this year have to give this exam or not.

Let me put following quiries:

1 Exam that is going to be held in december is for enrolment or for arguing counsel.

2 What about the status of writ filed by NUJS

3 Is the matter is finally disposed of by SC or still this issue is pending in any court

4 What is the response of GS on the various letters addresed to him.
Anonymous guest 25 May 2010, 00:06
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People are not active i guess frequency of comments have been reduced i guess final year law students passing in 2010 have happily accepted there fate
Final Year Law Student 26 May 2010, 02:15
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# 30 our dear Kian has moved this page into such a corner that even I can't find it...why don't u make a new post with all the queries raised here..i think may be there will a reply...the latest on the exam is that nobody including GS knows what the hell is happening...GS has not responded to any letters to the best of my knowledge but some of his comments suggest that he has atleast received them...Amity Law School#27 this idea that we can enroll but not practice is reallly fishy esp. since Mr.Gs has said there can be no provisional enrollment.. I dont think NUJS has filled any writ if it has please enlighten? The Bonnie Foi Law College case is pending in the court and therein an undertaking has been given that the exam is in Dec...
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 01:19
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pls tell me how to put new post
Final Year Law Student 30 May 2010, 01:30
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Just register with legally india and go to >blogs >write new blog> and publish your post.

And#34 please drop in a mail to
Anonymous guest 11 Aug 2010, 00:08
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yar this is getting crazier day by day.. i m sure most of the law school students are confident enuf to clear this exam and frankly, they should. the only thing i m not able to understand is y such a hurry to push every1 thru this test. first, it was suppose to be in june, then september and now dec. isnt this a proof in itself tht we r not ready with the relevant infrastructure.