Everyone dreams.

In India, it’s preferable if a student dreams to get into IIT or study medicine. Those who dream of studying law form a part of the distinct minority. As someone who has had the luck (or the lack of it) to have performed well in science, even thinking about switching streams was an uphill task. When you have friends who are studying for IIT entrance exams, teachers who tell you to aim for IIT, relatives who want to see you in IIT:

1. You get sick and tired (pardon the cliché) of the abbreviation (IIT, I mean).

2. You have to work really hard to explain to these people why you choose to ignore all that they say.

So I finally did manage to make my point clear. Law is what I intend to study. Period. Paragraph.

One of my slightly deluded classmates then told me, “Dude! I wish engineering was as cheap as law.” Does that get your blood boiling? It sure did get my ire on the rise. Here is an individual who doesn’t know what the IPC stands for. He believes that his choice of career isn’t ‘cheap’ while mine is. Why? Because the intelligentsia doesn’t opt for law. That’s what I was told, albeit in slightly more crude manner: “Eh, very few proper people do law, da! You’ll get in, no competition only.” I’ll go to my grave disputing that statement.

I’m told that society is finally opening up to inevitable change. If every beta/beti became an engineer, life would be boring as hell. I have nothing against the conventional careers (Actually, law is more conventional a career than engineering, but *hush* they’ll get angry if you tell them this!) , but WHY are we incapable of accepting those who choose NOT to do what most are doing?

I know at least two people who’d make amazing lawyers. They think they’d do well in this profession too. Yet both are off to study engineering because it’s safe and they are good at science.

I don’t think I’m alone in experiencing this alienating behaviour. You tell someone that you’re doing law and they look at you as though you’re below their dignity. Any rank in IIT-JEE is GREAT while this two digit rank that you got in CLAT seems to be of no value. Yet the best conversationalists I know, the best informed people I know are lawyers or journalists.

Another new fad that has come up is “Law? Oh! You’ll make a lot of money!” Yes, I know that corporate law is a big thing and it pays well, but that’s not why most choose to study for a grueling five years. Not for just the money. There is so much more to law than crisp Rupee bills.

Cracking CLAT was one of the most satisfying experiences of my life. While I may not have been amongst that elite 55 who got into NLSIU (Yes, that is my dream school as it is for thousands of others.) I have managed to find myself a place in NALSAR and that’s good enough for me. It’s one among the top three law schools in the nation, yet I have to explain to people what NALSAR is and why I’m going there. And I’m expected to know what they are talking about when they say “I’m joining PESIT.”

*sigh*

Such is life.

Comments

Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 09:25
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friggin boring.
DisplacedBong 16 Jun 2010, 14:48
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amazing....though my story differs...from this......i did not face so much of cynicism....but i loved your style ....THE ONLY POINT...is i dont think NALSAR is in anyway lesser than NLSIU....in any gamut....its top3 that matters...tier I....but otherwise excellent
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 15:19
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vwey well written!!...my story has been almost similar...other than the fact that i didnt make it this year :(
At what point did u change your stream? I did after my boards this yr. Had been prep fr IIT JEE fr the past 2 darn yrs but finally realized that law was my field :)
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 15:53
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I can totally relate to your story. I'm sure all Bangaloreans who choose to do law will have to face this bitter criticism.
When I was in ILS last year, a lotta people asked why I was in Pune when the country's best law college in Blore. They fail to understand that it's not that easy to make it to one the premier institutes in the country.
It's high time, people changed their mindset about the whole concept of law and law schools.
Also, I forgot to mention, very well written :)
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 16:09
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heeeey this thing is totally trippy........damn straight. i can like totally relate to it and stuff. nice job.
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 16:43
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@pig.on.wig---Relatable tale....It happened to me too although the difference was that I did not score well in my ISC boards and I was told dat I was running away from engineering....Now that I am into the big 3 of Indian law schools dos ppl seem to hve shut up der mouths for good!!!
pig.on.wings 16 Jun 2010, 16:46
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Thank you, all (yes, that includes you, anonymous guest 1.) =D
Sandipan, you have no idea how lucky you are in that regard...And it's not about which college is better, NLSIU was just a dream. Don't ask me why. Just one of those things you really want...
Anonymous Guest 2, it's alright. A lot of my acquaintances have made in into amazing colleges in their second attempt with ranks like 5, 13, etc. So you'll get there, just you wait! =D I chose to do law around the end of 11th Grade. But I studied for it in the one month after the boards. Stupid of me, but that's how it is.
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 17:14
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Nicely written, but don't you dare sweep all engineers under the "Yawn..boring person!" carpet! I mean, if you accuse engineering hopefuls of being a bit prejudiced against other professions, I believe you're a bit guilty of the same, atleast to the extent of holding stereotypes about us.
But the good thing about not being numero uno on most people's career lists is that you have only people interested in law getting into law( well, compared to engineering/med atleast), which translates to a lot less disgruntled law students. And when you like and are good at what you're doing, who needs recognition from people who don't understand?
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 17:31
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Wait, there's a title-article tone mismatch in the previous post. I'm pissed off!! (Most)Engineers are aware what law is, that some law students are actually intelligent, and that it's a very respectable profession. Not taking the stream does not translate to not having respect for it or for people who take up law. In fact, law students are some of the most fun people around (note I said law students, not lawyers). So, I think it's very unfair you choose to portray the engineering populace through the idiots in your class. You probably went to some Bangalore school. Bangaloreans..bah!
Jamaica FTW!!!
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 17:37
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u r like sooooo freakin rite abt it...n u must say pretty well written...i mean its jus wat is happenin...bt i am happy abt wat i am doin :)
pig.on.wings 16 Jun 2010, 17:40
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MAYUKH! (mildly pissed of blah blah)
You are SO jobless.
I'm not talking about just the average engineering student. I'm talking about most of Indian society and its take on a non engineering + non medicine career.
Also, seeing that you passed out of the same Bangalore school that I passed out from, don't talk.
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 18:10
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Ok, pigasus (that's pig+pegasus for you), look.
#1 Sacrilege. I might be a single victim here, but don't do this to anyone ever again. It's just plain EVIL.
#2 Most of Indian society is a bit bigoted. So to hell with their views. But then, I'm Jamaican, so I wouldn't know for sure.
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 18:25
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I noticed how the article does not in any way demean engineering or medicine students...
And yes, I am an engineering student if you must know.
But I firmly believe in the moral that this article brings to the fore. Take what subject you like and respect others if they take a subject that THEY like. It's solely a matter of opinion - likes and dislikes. One cannot make inferences about a person (least of all their level of intelligence) by merely looking at what stream they opted to follow.
Beautifully written.

PS: I didn't know what PESIT was either, until very recently...
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 19:43
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I was about to write a post that was almost similar to this one. It's a pain to even consider doing anything apart from Medicine or Engg - and if you come across one sane person who knows law - "success" is then measured in terms of how much money you make. Grr..!
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 20:15
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One small step for journalism, one giant stomp for you! Congrats. :)
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 20:29
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Well some how i can connect myself to this post.
Everyone feel that there is no competition & one will make it easily.
People still know about NLSIU,but other law schools they really dont know.
I got through NLU-Jodhpur & people where like y r u going jodhpur,study in delhi only.
Im sure this thinking will change,but just want this change to happen soon.
Legalbeagle 16 Jun 2010, 20:48
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Well written!People often raise a contemptuous brow when they learn of my precedence for Law over engineering as a career.They stereotype our ilk, and so believe that opting for Law would be an insult to their intelligence.Far from it.NLUs attract some of the brightest minds in the country-the Rhodes Scholarship is one of the few platforms where Law students compete with those from other streams on an even keel-and often trounce their engineering or medical counterparts.The PM, not very long ago, described legal education " as a sea of institutionalized mediocrity with a few islands of excellence(read NLUs)" - that is beginning change.Patience and an unbiased perspective are the need of the hour.Rest assured-lawyers will flourish.
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 21:31
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awesome. you know what. after completing the third year of my law school a chap asked me, "didnt you get an admission in engineering/medicine.. not even BSC NURSING?". i think that takes the cake
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 22:40
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I can totally relate.. i'm one of the few who gave up engineering for law.. i mean i gave all the engg entrance exams, though =D, for kicks.. and i got decent AIEEE and CET ranks.. (sadly, i get an extended merit rank in JEE) I would've made PESIT or even NIT-Surathkal.. and i also gave CLAT and got into top three.. and so, that is where my road leads .. I'm off to become a lawyer =)

well written piece
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 00:23
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Very well written! I love.
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 00:28
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^ Completely agree! :)
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 01:55
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It is the best
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 02:00
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Every one feels that there is no competition in this feild and any one can do it, I know there will be a change in this.......... sooner
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 02:20
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Engineer dear ... limited point here.

Entire engineering populace may not be as good as you are. I am not discounting the brilliant engineers in the IITs or RECs or other places but it seems that anyone can become an engineer these days. My engineer friends at IIT Delhi / DCE tell me how bad the situation is in the mushrooming colleges, where anyone with money can get in. So let us not get into the debate whether engineers can be idiots. The majority "engineering-students" we meet are people who got into some obscure college on "capitation" or pvt. funding or whatever. ("majority" since there are more non-REC/IIT engineers than REC / IIT engineers I guess). Have no doubt, that I respect engineers. And I am only defending the author here, who is a very junior law student.

Of course, I am not saying lawyers are great people. Except few law students, most are pathetic :)

And dude (or dame) Let us not kid ourselves by saying engineers know what law is. Most non-lawyers have no clue about the law, and even CA / CS know limited law. Most laymen pee in their pants when a cop stops them and they cannot enforce their small rights. Most engineers just know that law is a set of rules at max. So do not get on that slippery grounds.
aralyah 17 Jun 2010, 02:20
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ha ha.. this is a good one, you have captured feelings of perhaps all law school students. When I opted for law three years ago, my shocked relatives, cousins, friends, neighbours etc etc all whispered around ' ah poor girl, must have not been able to make it into any engg or med college, thats why she must be going to law college' Arrrgghhh... i still feel blood boiling down my veins whenever i remember this..
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 02:51
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I've been hearing about a law school in IIT Kharagpur which specializes in patent law. This law school seems to be only for engineers and doctors. How good is it and what are the prospects after patent law? I like many Indians chose engineering as that was the only viable option at that time. Now, i'm bitten by the law bug after studying intellectual property in my final sems. so, someone please suggest.
nitishsaxena 17 Jun 2010, 03:47
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Well written! Expresses the harsh reality which we all face at some point or the other. But, I'm sure the bias against law as a career option is fading fast. I already see a slight change in our society and I'm sure this will continue to take place. Law will always be one of the best and in-demand professions in our country.
Your post reminds me of my friend who bagged a seat in NUJS but at social gatherings her parents' acquaintances used to ask her "Oh you're studying in Kolkata? Didn't you get admission into some nearby college?"
She has stopped giving explanations now.
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 06:05
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@aralyah that's exactly why I gave the engineering entance!!
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 06:10
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finally a story synonymous with mine!!...jst that its nujs n nt nalsar!..:) though i did sit for aieee n other engi xms for my parents sake n mite evn get an NIT bt law is what i always wanted to do ...irrespective of the fact that i hv more aptitude for science...will pursue law evn if it means more efforts for me... :)... n hey...u nt alone in this cynacism n hue n cry ovr IIT....evn i had a-battle-a-month with my parents n relatives.. the vry popular n commo to us ..... IIT v/s NLU.....am glad its my NLU that won!!! :)....in nw the pride in my parents eyes has jst made up for all that went...its real peace n satisfaction now!!!!...:)......

well written piece....
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 16:38
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Firstly, a genuine thank you for responding to my comment without making a personal attack, something uncommon on the internet.
Ok, firstly, I know the author personally, and I hope she realised that my comment was mostly satirical. Besides, even if I were serious, she'd have you believe that she's extremely capable of defending herself. :P So, I'm not really pissed off, my blood isn't really boiling at the injustice of the article, because there wasn't any to begin with.
My only gripe is that the article seems to somewhat neglect that are a reasonable number of engineering students who are aware about the existence of law as a very credible career option- which is what I meant by 'know what law is', not actually knowing its entirety.

However, I understand that the author is talking about people who take up a stream because they either are forced into it, are ignorant of or consider other career options lowly. To which I had said that if people held such bigoted views to begin with, their opinions shouldn't ruffle your feathers. But then, you can't really go around explaining to your relatives that they possibly are bigoted idiots, so I understand the angst. Happened to me to, as an engineering student, when I took up a branch considered 'uncommon'. So, good job, haathi! (last bit not directed at #24)
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 18:06
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AH ... I see where you are coming from now :) Of course, a law student can defend his/her views. I wrote the comment to put things in perspective in a healthy way.

Like you, I am glad to note that people do talk like adults in a way that is not based on egos / personal attacks.

My very best wishes to you.
#24
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 18:22
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The law school at IIT Kgp. is a 3 year law degree program (LLB) where they take students from a science background. The reason is that their law degree has an IP focus. And in IP (esp. patents, but not copyright and trademarks), a science background helps a lot (since you need to understand a patent and redraft it at times to distinguish it from existing patented technology). Even NLU Jodhpur, which offers a specialization in IP (besides other options), offers that only to students who have opted for B.Sc., LL.B. course (B.A., LL.B. and BBA, LL.B. being the other options).

If you want to study IP law for the sake of learning only, then IIT is a good option. But remember, it is not an IP law degree / diploma. It is a general law course with IP focus i.e. you will need to study contracts, criminal law, constitutional law and many other general law papers, and also specialize in IP by studying some special IP papers.
You can read about the institution (a department of IIT KGP) at http://www.iitkgp.ac.in/departments/home.php?deptcode=RG

As regards job options after IIT’s law program, do note that IP is not as big as some other areas of commercial law practice. Its niche. There are some boutique law firms who practice IP law and some big firms who have an IP practice group. The former do not pay that well (less than 50K a month) while the latter pay well (a lakh a month). However, I have noticed that they tend to prefer students from the various national law schools for internships / recruitments. But then, some law firms recruit engineers. You may want to explore that option i.e. work as an engineer in a boutique IP firm and study an IP diploma alongside or take the patent attorney exam that entitles one to practice patent law (I did hear though that this concept is non-existent now, though you may like to check on the Internet). Some law schools offer distance learning / 1 year diplomas in IP law which you may wish to consider.
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 19:23
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nini!
this is really well written =)
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 22:47
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Brilliant post!! just before I joined law school, a cab driver asked me what I was doing, I told him I am going to law school, he asked me if I got decent marks in +2, I told him yeah I got 88%, then he said why am I not doing engineering or medicine as even he can get a law degree if he wants to...I was so enraged but then the entire society is to blame...people are flocking to engineering colleges in large numbers...new engineering colleges are coming up and taking in students and these students arent aware that most of them wont get quality education coz all these colleges are just money minting machines, a large majority of student population of India are heading towards uncertainty..and let me not get started on medicine, so few seats in govt. colleges that a large number of aspirants are forced to take up other options or pay their way in private colleges which charge heavy fees (Manipal et al)Medical Education in India is a joke, either you should be super brilliant i.e you should have the capacity to mug up every god damn thing or you should have a lot of money to get into pvt. colleges. And it wont be long before people start flocking to law schools considering the placement records and the guaranteed future that one gets. Even people who dont want to be lawyers will start becoming lawyers because of the pressure from parents, friends, neighbours...Thats Indian mentality, people follow fads like cattle...they dont do what they really want to do...no wonder we have a limited number of careers unlike other countries where sports/music/arts etc. are considered to be career options.
pig.on.wings 17 Jun 2010, 23:07
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@#30
Hathi? You contradict yourself. Pigasus one moment, hathi the next. Make up your mind, little boy.
@#24
Awesome stuff! =) You stole the words right out of my mouth.
@#32
Thank you! I really didn't know how to answer #26's question, inexperienced and clueless as I am.
Shreya, thank you! =)
@#34, I totally get what you're talking about. I scraped 95.6% in my boards, and all that people could think of saying is "Why law when you do well in science?"
Being sheep is something Indians are good at, but I think with each generation, there are more people wanting to do out of the box things...
And that's a good thing! =D
Anonymous guest 18 Jun 2010, 03:14
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You're an animagus with multiple forms. No contradictions.

And you "scraped" a 95.6? And these animal welfare people claim that mahouts mistreat your kind.
Anonymous guest 18 Jun 2010, 22:39
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i so agree with you on this point.
even i had to here constant taunts on why was i ever thinking of law such a waste of brains.
its so pissing when some ill informed people think you are going to nalsar because you didnt get in mumbai.
i really wish people would open there mind a little and accept law as a challenging and evolving field.
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 01:11
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"You tell someone that you're doing law and they look at you as though you're below their dignity." Definitely true but its only those people who have no idea about the NLU's.
When my cousin didn't make it to NLS in the first attempt he joined engineering.The year after,he got into NLS.The first thing another relative said was "Why did he leave ENGINEERING just to do law"
As #37 said its only the ill informed people.
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 02:02
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Most people are heading towards engineering only for the tag "engineer".
ImrahilWalker 19 Jun 2010, 08:17
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kudos for integrating the intr-nlu bitchfest and the engineering v. evrything else case thats beyond hope.
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 20:05
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this holds true for most of us... well written! :):)
And the stuff that you said about IIT, is exact... My twin brother was preparing for IIT while I was preparing for the CLAT... I got a lot of those questions and looks from people.. :P
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 22:51
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24 & 32 are the same person.

Have a great time at lawschool.
Anonymous guest 20 Jun 2010, 01:24
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a very well writen post!!!apart from that what i can see here is that there is lot of discussion on what the people n the society think(n comment) wen one takes up law as a career.....but at this point a couple of questions pop up in my mind....why r we studin law??? is it jus to impress ppl around..do we really need to convince ppl on this issue
we know wat r we doin and why....so lets not bother bout wat other ppl think...
moreover one thing is certain....be it be an engineer, doctor r neone else.....once a person is on wrong side of the law the first thing he ll look for is his "lawyer's" phone number!!!
Fresher NALSARite 20 Jun 2010, 03:55
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Gr8 post!!it's as if u read my mind.....d situation is actually very grim esp. in towns...where d entire populace seems 2 be ill-informed...i belong 2 rishikesh(UA)
..got 97.25% in boards....got 491 rank in aieee....and 95 rank in CLAT......bt ppl here r congratulating me only for d ENGINEERING rank....such is d mindset!!!!!!!.....every1 seems 2 b telling me dat u r a fool 2 choose law over engineering...(thank God my parents support is dere...)

one of my classmate actually took bak his congatulations wen i told him dere were 17000 candidates in CLAT......
Ppl feel as if dere's no competetion in CLAT...as if i scored in CLAT widout studying.....
dey give strange luks wen i tell dem i m going 2 nalsar....
Anyways....we can always go ahead wid our choice and PROVE 2 d society 5 years later dat our career choice was much better dan DONATION ND PRIVATE ENGINEERS!!!!!
pig.on.wings 20 Jun 2010, 15:36
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@43, I agree with you when you say that we're doing this because of our own drive. Then again, I'm this normal kid who yearns for a little appreciation when she does well. Society, unfortunately, doesn't get that. And I believe that we'll have more people wanting to do law (and there are people who don't take up law because of social stigma and parental pressure..) if society opened up a little regarding various 'unorthodox' career options.

@Anjali, we really are lucky to have our parents' support... I wrote only two entrance exams. That itself made me an oddity. Then there was the fact that both were law entrances. Goodness, don't get me started on the kind of looks I garnered when people found out that I'm not writing CET and all the rest! :P And I'm looking forward to meeting you at NALSAR! :D
Fresher NALSARite 20 Jun 2010, 20:44
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@pig.on.wings
Even i wud be luking forward 2 meet u soon.......!!!
see ya dere...
Anonymous guest 22 Jun 2010, 04:12
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god this is so true..i got into nalsar and my relatives are asking me whether i did not do well in math...they think that law is for losers or something..of course that is until they found out from other lawyers what the salary is going to be five years later..and then they thought i was a greedy pig who was doing it all for the money...they cant seem to comprehend that i LIKE law..infact that i LOVE it

they even tried to organise an intervention when they learnt that i was not writing cet!!

eh..whats new?
Anonymous guest 25 Jun 2010, 23:35
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exact same story .I prepared for iitjee for two years and did crack it .but i always had this thing for law, so i decided to give clat this march . missed nlsiu but got nalsar . Incredibly happy , but someone please tell that to my friends , most of whom seem to think i'm only doing it because i didn't get iit
Anonymous guest 13 Dec 2010, 07:39
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i liked this one. i was a medical kid who did clat prep only in the last month. i made it to a good nlu (a very familiar one). i felt my story was being written here, i could very much relate to it.
Anonymous guest 6 Feb 2011, 00:19
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Brilliant, woman!
In a far less dreamy style than mine, yes. But more
But couldn't agree more with the sentiment :)