Mooting Premier League sponsored by Clifford Chance

NUJS Kolkata has won the NLS International Arbitratition Moot Court Competition for the third time in a row, defeating front-runners Nalsar Hyderabad in the finals and continuing its run in the twilight of the Mooting Premier League (MPL) sponsored by Clifford Chance.

The team from NUJS was represented by Deepak Raju, Rukmini Das, Sankar Shana and Pankhuri Agarwal, gaining 6 points for its victory over Nalsar Hyderabad, which remains comfortably in the pole position of the MPL.

NUJS also won the best memorial award thereby scored a total of 11 points from this tier 4 event.

NUJS has now moved to 63 points at fourth position with 20 points ahead of fifth-placed SOEL Chennai and 31 points behind NLU Jodhpur.

Shruti of Nalsar also bagged the best orator for 5 points, thereby tallying up a total of 8 points for Nalsar and extending the school's lead over second placed NLS to 41 points. Nalsar is now all but certain to win the 2009-10 MPL and pick up Rs 50,000 to support future mooting endeavours.

The competition concluded yesterday and was organised by NLS Bangalore from 21 to 23 May 2010. It was the third edition of the competition, with NUJS having won every single year, noted NUJS winner Raju.

Raju added: "The competition was organised really well and the problem was also very well drafted."

The first season of MPL will conclude next week on 30 May with the WTO world rounds in the Dominican Republic. GNLU Gandhinagar and NUJS are representing India at the event.

Note: NUJS has been awarded an additional 7 points in the MPL after confirming an honourable mention at the Manfred Lachs Sydney rounds for the second best memorial.

The MPL is sponsored by Clifford Chance and the top eight ranked law colleges will share a generous prize fund of Rs 1.5 lakhs provided by the firm.

2009-10 Mooting Premier League rankings, sponsored by Clifford Chance


Law school Points Wins
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Nalsar Hyderabad 157
IICLAM (best memorial); Henry Dunant Indian rounds (runners-up); Surana Trial Advocacy South (best team, best memorial); Nani Palkhiwala (best memorial), Bar Council of India (best team); KK Luthra (runners-up, best speaker); NLIU Tankha (runners-up, best memo); MM Singhvi (best memo); Jessup South (runner-up); DM Harish (best researcher); Surana Corporate (best team, best memorial); SP Sathe (best team, best orator); KLA Moot (runners up); NUJS Herbert Smith (best team, best memorial); Surana Int'l Tech Moot (best memorial); Amity Moot (runners up, best orator, best memorial, best researcher); Philip C Jessup (semi-finalist); ISRO Manfred Lachs funding rounds (best orator); NLS Arbitration (best orator; runner-up)
2. NLSIU Bangalore 112 Manfred Lachs (best team, best orator); Stetson South (best advocate), Bar Council of India (best orator); KK Luthra (best memorial); MM Singhvi (best researcher); Jessup South (best team, best orator); KLA Moot (best memorial); ISRO Manfred Lachs funding rounds (runners up, best memorial); Philip C Jessup (honourable mention: 4th best memorial); Manfred Lachs Sydney (runner-up)
3. NLU Jodhpur 94 Nalsar B.R.Sawhney (runners-up, best memorial); Stetson North (best team, best memorial); Jessup North (best team, best orator); Surana Corporate (runners up, best orator); SP Sathe (best memorial); KLA Moot (best team, best orator); NUJS Herbert Smith (runners-up); Surana Int'l Tech Moot (best orator); Amity Moot (best team); Stetson International (5th & 6th best orator)
4. NUJS Kolkata 63 All India Corporate Law Moot (best team, best researcher); Willem C Vis Hong Kong (honorable mention); ISRO Manfred Lachs funding round (best team); Willem C Vis Vienna (best orator hon. mention); Manfred Lachs Sydney (semi-finalist, honourable mention); NLS Arbitration (best team, best memorial)
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School of Excellence in Law (SOEL) Chennai 43
Henry Dunant Indian rounds (best team, best orator), NLIU Tankha (best orator); Nani Palkhiwala (best team); Red Cross Asia Pacific (semi-finalist; honourable mention best memorial)
6.
ILS Law College Pune 31
Bar Council of India (runners-up); DM Harish (runners-up); NUJS Herbert Smith (best speaker); Surana International Tech Moot (best team); ULC Bangalore Moot (best team)
7. NLIU Bhopal 29
All India Corporate Law Moot (runners-up, best orator); Nalsar B.R.Sawhney (best team, best orator); Stetson South (best memorial); MM Singhvi (runners-up)
8.
Government Law College (GLC) Mumbai 26
KK Luthra (best team); MM Singhvi (best team); DM Harish (best orator, best memorial)
9.
Amity Law School IP University Delhi 25
IICLAM (best team & best orator); Stetson North (runner-up), Jessup North (best memorial)
10. Symbiosis, Pune 24 Nani Palkhiwala (runners up, best orator); GNLU International Moot Court (runners up); ULC Bangalore Moot (runners-up); Willem C Vis Vienna (best orator hon. mention)
11. Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law (RGNUL) Patiala 18 Henry Dunant national rounds (best researcher); NLIU Tankha (best team); ULC Bangalore Moot (Best Memorial)
12.
GNLU Gandhinagar 17
IICLAM (runners-up); ELSA WTO Asia (runners-up, best orator)
13.
Law Centre I (LC-I) Delhi University 14
Henry Dunant Indian rounds (best memorial), Jessup North (runner-up)
14. Nuals Kochi 13 Surana Trial Advocacy North (runners-up); Jessup South (best memorial); Surana International Tech Moot (runners up)
15. University Institute of Laws PURC, Ludhiana
11 Surana trial advocacy north rounds (best team, best orator)
16. CMR Law School, Bangalore 10 ULC Bangalore Moot (best orator, best researcher)
16. Kerala Law Academy Thiruvananthapuram 10 Stetson South (best team)
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NLU Delhi
10
DM Harish (best team)
19. UILS Punjab 8 Surana Trial advocacy South (runners up, best orator)
20. HNLU Raipur 7 Stetson North (best orator)
20. New Law College Bharati Vidyapeeth University Pune 7 Stetson South (runner-up)
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CNLU Patna
5
GNLU International Moot (best memorial)
22. Government Law College Ernakulam 5 MM Singhvi (best orator)
22. Institute of Law, Nirma University, Ahmedabad 5 Surana Trial Advocacy North (best memorial)
22. ULC Bangalore 5 All India Corporate Law Moot (best memorial)
26. Campus Law Centre Delhi 3 SP Sathe (runners up)

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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 24 May 10, 21:44
Congrats Shyju, Rukmini, Sanky and Panki....
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 24 May 10, 21:46
NUJS also won the second best speaker in the NLS Arb....any points for that?
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Like +0 Object -0 sanjay.khan.nagra 24 May 10, 21:56
cograts Deepak .. way to go man..
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Like +0 Object -0 sanjay.khan.nagra 24 May 10, 22:03
sorry for the missing 'n' :-)
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 24 May 10, 22:20
Err... just to point out a small error, the name of the researcher is 'Sankarshana M' and not 'Sankar Shana' as is published here.

Cheers!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 24 May 10, 23:09
the nujs mooters remind me of the IPL team from their city. lots of hype and big talk, supposed to have superstars but always inconsistent and underachieving.

hopefully, this win is not a flash in the pan.
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Like +0 Object -0 Bihari Babuu 24 May 10, 23:30
@6 Shut your trap, you jealous man. This is such a great comeback by NUJS. And flash in the pan! Do you readings well mister. NUJS has been cooking a healthy, delicious turkey. Look how fast NUJS has moved up the rankings. Great going Sankarshana Meiyala. You rock!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 00:27
If the grapevine is anything to go buy, mooters in NUJS get more chances to represent their university. It's only expected that they'll at least win something in the 2-3 moots they go to! Compare this with other law schools where mooters get lesser chances and still come back winners.

So on one hand you have one law school with a floundering moot culture with the same bunch of people going to so many moots and winning something, and on the other hand you have other law schools which actually encourage newer mooters (and by that I don't mean only 1st and 2nd years, well, because they will always be 'new' to mooting isn't it?) to go and get noticed!

From my personal interaction with NUJS students, it does appear that more and more potentially good mooters seem to be giving mooting a miss.

I sincerely hope that this is not an accurate description of things to come. Out of curiosity, did members from this team participate elsewhere this year?

My congratulations to NUJS on this win. These were my 2 cents on NUJS and mooting. Boy, I hope whoever replies to this does a better job than #7. Mr Bihari Babuu, you forget that some of us have really nothing to be jealous of when it comes to NUJS mooting. :-). Go see the moot tables. We'd won long before your comeback started. And during the year, we let many students explore mooting - not just those who'd already been mooting. It's a general principle in mooting. Even an average mooter if sent to enough moots will come back with some trophy.
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Like +0 Object -0 Bihari Babuu 25 May 10, 01:18
Being anonymous is such a nice thing na? You need to introspect upon your ethics dear...maligning an great insititution with indirect ways...shame on you! Go now...join some meditation center...and introspect.

You may come to my place to...I'll take you to the pond where my buffaloes bathe...the calm waters of the pond are a nice place to introspect. And my buffaloes are very benign...but if you adopt such maligning language...(which has no reason at all)...they also know how to gore pigs like you to death.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 01:34
is Bihari Babuu really from Bihari ? if not, it's condemnable for people to use such a nick, as of to suggest that north indians are vulgar and abusive. why not use mallu babu or tamil babu as nick instead?
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Like +0 Object -0 LegalPoet 25 May 10, 01:35
@8, Sankarshana is a 2nd year student and Pankhuri is a 1st year student. I hope this addresses your concerns.

NUJS has a large pool of mooters (around 40) who are selected after rigourous rounds (3 rounds) of internal selections. They form the part of the 'university' moot team.

Some moots are of course, challenger moots and anybody is free to participate in those, win and represent the university.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 01:43
@bihari babuu - i may have phrased it more delicately, as i believe #8 should have, but you have to admit that NUJS does have a tendency of repeating mooters. deepak raju has literally been everywhere, for example. i have a deep and abiding respect for nujs' mooting in general (validated by their excellent record of wins/hon. mentions, etc in the moots they actually participated in this past year), and many nujs mooters in particular (uday joshi, for example) but you need to learn to receive reasonably civil comments about your college without being so prickly about it. A comment is not made necessarily out of jealousy just because it is potentially controversial.

i've only mentioned two names because i've met these people in person and i can't recall the other names off the top of my head; however if you take a closer look, you'll see that certain other NLUs (that i am not naming to avoid unnecessary issues) are doing, in my opinion, a better job by encouraging a wider segment of younger kids to go for moots and largely not repeating their mooters. I personally believe this is a better way of doing things. You may - and probably will - disagree. Do everyone the favour of doing so maturely.
Thanks.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 01:47
@10

haha, you interpreted what he meant, or may be he never even meant :-)
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 01:52
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Good English. Now I know why Nujs is lagging behind in moots.(assuming you are one of them). I will never join such a college, will rather go to nluj, they are performing and have good placements too, unlike nujs where I hear a third of the batch went home without jobs, (regardless of the faulty recruitment figures published here).

source: PCC member, Nujs.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 02:12
Come On people, though I dont belong to NLU faternity and my University sucks in Moot, I can assure you that the Moot selection process is very well placed in NUJS. They had own share of problems but now just look the way they are performing. And it should be no one's concern if same students win each time. That can be a part of a particular university policy. I really appreaite the way NUJS has divided their mooting selections in to "Moot Pool"and challengers like NALSAR laying the way for the highest level of competition.

(P.S: Beside this, the NUJS has a very stronng hand in drafting memorials and I am pretty sure that it can not be the work of studnts alone, meaning a lot of faculty and alumni support. Would really like to know more about this.)
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Like +0 Object -0 Bihari Babuu 25 May 10, 02:30
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NLUJ recruitment committee's faculty members when contacted by legallyindia about the placements refused to say anything. The recruitments are so bad kya?

Or are the faculty members are so dumb-struck by recruitments that they are speechless???...hahahah.

And yes NUJS's stellar placement record can make anybody jealous...12 in Amarchand earning in access of 13 lacs per annum, 7 in Luthra, 5 in Trilegal, 4 in magic circle law firms...beat that! Or take NLSIU's example or NALSAR's...these are the creme-de-la-creme...the colleges who are brave enought to disclose the figuures...

And let me not go to NLU, jodhpur's faculty...which I have heard and know is trash. BTW...I am from a non-national law school...as I have often repeated. I believe even my college should have better faculty than that of NLUJ.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 03:27
Man Lachs team,,,wins honourable mention for the memo (besides reaching the Semi Finals)...now confirmed.

NUJS mooting- Of the 8 speakers to represent the University in international moots this year, 6 are NEW faces..having never gone for a moot before. And see the performance...talk about the benchstrength of the college

NUJS participates in far less moots thatn other colleges and yet we r 4 in a ranking system that just keeps into account absolute points..brilliant...our win loss ration is infact better than all other colleges..so talk about flashes and pans..while we ride the high to glory
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 04:07
Mr Bihari Babuu, someone like yourself who himself uses an alias to post should be the last person to preach to others against the pleasures of anonymity. I thought that would have been rather obvious to a dimwit like you as well.

As for the rest of your post.. aapko aapki bhainsein mubarak ho, aap hi unke saath talaab mein baithiye aur soch vichar ki jiye.

Moving on, Legal Poet.
No, you misunderstood what I wrote. There will always be 1st and 2nd year members in a moot team and they will always be 'new'. That is besides the point. Like we see in my school or other law schools, how many 'new' mooters does NUJS see from within 3rd / 4th and maybe even the 5th year? That is the real indicator of how your mooting culture encourages / discourages students from mooting. You cannot have 5-7 odd mooters in batches of 120 students and claim to have a flourishing mooting culture.

A pool of 40 mooters is rather small. Out of a college of some 500 odd students, from what I hear, not more than 70 students participate in the mooting selection process to begin with. A bulk of this participation is from within the 1st or 2nd year students, most of whom will be discouraged to the extent that they would never moot again.

Of course, this is not to say that every student at law school SHOULD moot. But if you wish to validate mooting as an activity that in fact does select the 'best' of the lot, you need to start by encouraging more students (and not just the entire 1st/2nd year batches along with some 5-10 students from every other batch) to participate in the process.

I don't think your mooting selection is rigorous enough if it selects 40 students from a pool of 70-75 students and sends them to 2-3 or more moots in a given year. Then of course, there were the major internal "irregularities" that were discussed elsewhere.

The point being - I think now I know why NUJS mooting is in shambles. When select mooters tend to make mooting their personal domain and the culture develops such as to discourage free participation from others, you will produce sub-standard moot teams which will participate often, and eventually win some trophy, but this process will do your law school much harm. This is where senior mooters and your moot committees are supposed to step in. They obviously seem to have forgotten their primary responsibilities.

I believe NUJS has some of the most talented law students I have come across. As a mooter, I find it disheartening to see the mooting condition at NUJS. I sincerely hope that there is faculty participation in internal structuring, and if there is, then the faculty needs to start paying more attention.

Now, if NUJS students want to start attacking me - go ahead. You obviously don't seem capable of distinguishing a well meaning critic from a slanderer.

(Sources: Three friends who study at NUJS and are in the 3rd and 4th year.)
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 04:30
India has a flourishing cricket culture despite the fact that there are only 11 (or max 20) people in the Indian cricket team. A pool of 20 for a country of 102 crore people is rather small... let us disburse the playing 11. Let everyone get a chance on the field
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Like +0 Object -0 LegalPoet 25 May 10, 04:36
"I think now I know why NUJS mooting is in shambles"
"I don't think your mooting selection is rigorous enough"...Really? :O

Dear, NUJS is presently ranked 4th in the MPL...ever wondered what NUJS will do when things are 'in place' or if the selection process gets 'more rigorous'?

Laddie....NUJS has a great mix of mooters from all years...4th rank...despite the 'bad season' as people called it....enough to show that NUJS has a thriving mooting culture.

And thank you for your concern, but the 'internal problems' have long been sorted out.

BTW you contradict yourself in many parts:

"A bulk of this participation is from within the 1st or 2nd year students, most of whom will be discouraged to the extent that they would never moot again".

"you need to start by encouraging more students (and not just the entire 1st/2nd year batches along with some 5-10 students from every other batch) to participate in the process".

Finally, I don't know about the figures, but I guess around 100 from a total of 500 students take part for the internal rounds. And that is a real good figure.
Some people back off after the 1st or the 2nd internal round, because they know how tough it is going to be in the 'university' mooting team.
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Like +0 Object -0 Bihari Babuu 25 May 10, 04:46
@18...I told you you that being 'anonymous' is a nice thing. When did I preach to against the pleasures of anonymity?

Please get your IQ tested on tickle.com. I'll get my buffaloes tested too. I am sure both the figures will be in the vicinity.

BTW...mister 18, have you been reading too much of my blogs? I am sure your brain has been churned badly. Poor you. Let your mind rest for a while. Apply some oil to it and medidate for some time. It will help you. I am your well wisher.

After you have meditated for long...contradictions...a s pointed by poet will be set aside and you will awake to a new reality and a new life...a new reality which says- NUJS is back with a bang! A new life which says- stop being a loser dud! Get a life! Don't grudge other colleges, their successes!

Nice reply 19. :-)
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 05:36
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The team has 11 players in the Playing 11, which is comparable to the 3-4 members in the moot team. The selection pool has (20 players x No of States which play the domestic level tournaments) (20 players x Non-State domestic teams) + (at least another 50 reserve players from the India A, India B teams) + many others (and of course there are some over-laps in between). The selection pool is greater than some 300 players. The fact that there are so many players who do NOT get to make it to the Playing 11 keeps those who do get to play on their toes. There you have it - 300+ potential players, 15-20 in the national squad.

So your's is a flawed analogy because you overlook the fact that there are at least 15 times the number of players (if not more) who don't get picked for the team.

I would never argue that to field the best 11 players, you let loose all of these 300 players on the field. On the contrary, you need to keep the standards high in between these 300 players and make sure that they are capable of replacing the 11 in the team, and that the 11 in the team are not 11 out of 40 players who play cricket in India, but in fact represent the BEST 11 players.


LegalPoet

No, there's no contradiction in the parts you produced there. You misread. Which are the other parts that you thought contradicted? I'll try and clarify.

1st / 2nd year students participate in bulk - they are new to law school and they want to try their hand at mooting. This happens at all law schools.

Often, they get discouraged, and they don't participate in their 3rd / 4th year. The MCCs need to encourage participation from these 3rd / 4th year students - the numbers for which often trickle down to 5-10 students participants per batch. This seems to happen in some law schools more than others.

Now as far as how accurate these numbers are - I sourced them from students from YOUR university.


"ever wondered what NUJS will do when things are 'in place' or if the selection process gets 'more rigorous'?"

Uhh. Yes. That is what I would like to see - things falling into place and NUJS doing better than the 4th spot. I made that pretty clear in the previous post. Please stop arguing against me just for the heck of it if.

Like I said, I think NUJS has the talent and the potential to do far better.

"Laddie.... 4th rank...despite the 'bad season' as people called it....enough to show that NUJS has a thriving mooting culture."

... To what do you attribute this 'bad season'? Just the financial irregularities in your Moot Court Committee? That doesn't really explain it, does it? I believe that it was perhaps the mooting environment which had something to do with it.

Once again - please stop posting irrelevant replies telling me how great your past / present mooting record is or what NUJS is capable of. I AGREE, NUJS has done wonderfully in the past and has made a very good recovery this year. The point in discussion in my posts were not the achievements of your moot teams. It was the mooting culture - something which is wider than mere winnings.

Also, LegalPoet, I know people from your university who dropped out from mooting after being in the moot team in their 1st / 2nd year. The reasons they cited were not that they thought it would be hard to be in the team or anywhere close to that.

Of course, carry on to team up and argue against all of this.

Bihari Babuu - No, I don't have any interest in reading your blogs after the terrible attempts at humor in your posts above. Perhaps you could take a leaf out of LegalPoets book and at least write something sensible for once.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 05:47
Bihari Babuu in #21 says -
"Get a life! Don't grudge other colleges, their successes!"
"I told you that being 'anonymous' is a nice thing. When did I preach against the pleasures of anonymity?"

Bihari Babuu in #9 says -
"Being anonymous is such a nice thing na? You need to introspect upon your ethics dear...maligning an great insititution with indirect ways...shame on you!"

Bihari Babuu in #16 says -
"And let me not go to NLU, jodhpur's faculty...which I have heard and know is trash."

"NLUJ recruitment committee's faculty members when contacted by legallyindia about the placements refused to say anything. The recruitments are so bad kya? Or are the faculty members are so dumb-struck by recruitments that they are speechless???...hahahah."
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 06:02
#16:

Kiddo, your batch at NUJS are definite underachievers. AMSS took over 30 ppl from my batch of 70-odd in NUJS. Now, it is seen as a big achievement by you if the Shroff familia condescends to take 12-13 ppl . Instead of writing silly petitions to the SG to postpone the bar exam, you ppl should expend your energy writing petitions asking for foreign law firms to be allowed in, so that more jobs will be created during the economic downturn.

As for moot court achievements and foreign publications, what good is it if it does not help your recruitment? To flaunt your moots/publications before Indian law firms is like casting pearls among swine. During campus recruitment by a leading law firm at NUJS (wink wink), the [interviewer] asked us questions about Bollywood movies!!
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Like +0 Object -0 Bihari Babuu 25 May 10, 08:12
@23...laugh not at bihari babuu
laugh at human fallacy
coz bihari babbu did have principles...
but resorted to the tit-tat policy
because pigs like you
disturb the peace of mind and his cows.

@24...Kiddo...those were different times!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 08:46
All you geeky wimps fighting over moot courts, you must read this article by a renowned judge. I remember reading it in college http://notabug.com/kozinski/mootcourt


some excerpts:

Moot court programs teach the wrong lessons and create the wrong incentives, and thus help develop the wrong skills.

Moot court competitions are run by students with the help of faculty who have often had either no experience as lawyers or unhappy experiences, which caused them to flee into academia

The simple fact is that a student's performance in moot court is seldom a significant factor in gaining legal employment.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 08:54
A few clarifications about mooting in NUJS:
I wish to answer the following questions/doubts raised by you:

"How many 'new' mooters does NUJS see from within 3rd / 4th and maybe even the 5th year?"

I cannot give exact numbers, but, as someone already said, out of the top 8 speakers and top 4 researchers in the University Moot Team who represented NUJS at international moots this year, 7 out of 12 were from 3rd or 4th year mooting for the first time. (Please note that this includes Iram Huq, 4th year and Satadru Goswami, 3rd year who were quarter-finalists at Willem C Vis, Vienna and Iram Huq won an honourable mention as Oralist)
Last year, out of the top 8 speakers and 4 researchers, 8 out of 12 were from the 3rd, 4th or 5th year and mooting for the first time.

"You cannot have 5-7 odd mooters in batches of 120 students and claim to have a flourishing mooting culture."

Figures from the batch which passed out - at least 10 people have represented the university in moots; from the batch beginning their 5th year, at least 18, and from the batch graduating to 4th year, at least 12.

Are you trying to suggest that NUJS should permit any student who wishes, to represent the University, without a form of quality control?
Or, if you are suggesting that students should be permitted to go for fewer moots allowing more students to participate, if that lowers the standards of the University, I don't see why the MCS or the University faculty should advocate such an approach.


"Out of a college of some 500 odd students, from what I hear, not more than 70 students participate in the mooting selection process to begin with."

More than a 100 students participated in the mooting selection process this year. That is a fifth of the total strength of the University. Some (most 5th years and some 4th years) feel they have mooted enough in their lives. I am sure you do not expect a majority of students to be interested in mooting.

NUJS has continued the same system for really long, and has consistently produced results. Though it may not show on the MPL this year, our performance at international moots has been reasonably good (I might even say, commendable) this year too and our teams have reached semi-finals of most national moots this year.

You may have a different system of moot selection in your college and may have your own justifications for doing so.
We have valid justifications for ours. And before giving more "well-meant" criticism, get better sources from NUJS.
(I am from NUJS and my sources for the facts given here are also 3rd and 4th year students of NUJS, though they are well-verified)
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 08:54
haha..

23 never laughed at you... bihari babu seems to be on tilt and paranoid now :D (wink wink)

the repeated reference Bihari makes to cows is understandable.. they seem to be the only ones who understand and second what he has to say!

PS - im from bihar. you obv are not. if you are, you disgrace the bhumiyaars with your pjs.. get a real bihari to proof read your next comment to make sure it is actually funny

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nujs students don't seem to value opinions.. just let it be.. they will suffer eventually

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i agree.. foreign firms.. high time.. unfortunately, would never go down with the BCI or SILF.. both are v powerful lobbies
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 09:11
@vinay NLS and Nalsar had received honorable mentions for their memos as well at Lachs. (7th and 4th, respectively) If you're giving points to NUJS for their performance, shouldn't the same logic apply in this case as well?
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Like +0 Object -0 Bihari Babuu 25 May 10, 09:35
@28...he did. Please check the last line.

I am glad the stupid debate is over.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 10:10
As a post on my team's winning NLS arbitration has triggered off this entire chain of "whose college is better" debate, let me add my own take:

1. Thanks, Legally India and all well wishers.

2. I appreciate the concern demonstrated by students from outside NUJS about the well being of aspiring NUJS mooters. But I think the moot court society and general body of NUJS are the best judges in this matter. Different colleges may have different reasons and priorities behind their selection processes. I do not want to comment on the merits and demerits of the NUJS system. But I request others to respect the freedom of NUJS to make its own choice in this matter. If you think our system gives NUJS an undue advantage, well, you are not prevented from doing what we do.

3. @ 12: "deepak raju has literally been everywhere, for example.": I would have taken this as a compliment in some other context. It wasnt like I monopolised moots. Everyone was allowed to participate in the selection process and some 100-200 people (Legal Poet and others in support of NUJS, this is a closer approximation) participated. Luck favoured me consistently. Or I loved mooting more than several others did and hence I bothered to do internals/ challengers consistantly. And well, I have NOT been everywhere (eg. Jessup International, ELSA and the hundreds of moots other than the seven I have been to).

4. I am not sure that a lot of people commenting here have ever mooted. The way moot teams behave with each other is way more civil than this. I got along perfectly with most teams in NLS arbitration and my other moots. I have no qualms admitting that Shenoy Das of NLU Jodhpur is a speaker I really look up to or that I was really impressed by NALSAR yesterday. I respect your teams for what they are. How you select them is your discretion. It would be better if people on this forum adopted a similar approach.

5. Noojies and NUJS supporters here, I completely understand you are angered when people speak ill of NUJS, even I am. But let us keep it civil.

6. Kudos to NLS for organising this brilliant moot - especially, the problem and judging standards.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 11:07
Please.

No one was speaking ill of NUJS. The "anger" was unwarranted.

"To test a modest man's modesty do not investigate if he ignores applause, find out if he abides criticism."
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 20:52
deepak raju... i was paying you a compliment. :-)
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 25 May 10, 23:01
1. I think it's a bad article.
2. There are no 'wrong' skills. Drafting, and oral argumentation are skills, and moot court helps students make themselves better at these skills.
3. No one here is judging a law school due to its mooting achievements, but clearly, this is a factor. Mooting is a factor that some schools are great at, some are good at, and some aren't, this year, their performance has been tracked, and great wins have been applauded, what's so wrong in that?
4. Even if mooting is not something that will teach you the necessary method or manner to argue in court, it's something that law students do, and something that the Judge forgets to talk about in the article is researching skills which moots develop in a better manner than the classroom atleast in most Indian law schools. Mooting generates an incentive for deep and concentrated analysis of one section of law, which your traditional Indian law school classroom cannot do.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 26 May 10, 00:30
@33: Thanks. I probably misread you. Sorry for that.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 26 May 10, 12:17
oh god !! bihari are you daft ? ??

23 QUOTED from what U wrote ! !
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 27 May 10, 02:07
The functional part of NLU's placement cell has only one senior faculty member and the rest is managed by students. Clearly legally india has not contacted the right people to get placement figures. There is nothing not to be disclosed about the placement figures at NLU this year which were above 90% for sure.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 29 May 10, 10:44
Guys, what is point of writing this kind of stuff at such a forum. You may argue that not everything written is out jealousy merely because it is controversial. Lets assume merely for the sake of argument, that NUJS does not have a good moot set up, that their system is not rigerous enough, that they repeat mooters or that placements are bad etc. So what?? What is the point of achieving brownie points at this forum. A team has won a moot which is why this article was put up. Just congratulate the guys, feel happy for them and get on with it. If you really want to change the system, go do that because people stand to benefit. Don't bicker here and try to make you/your institution look better. We look like 3rd standard kids, not students from India's premier legal institutions.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 29 May 10, 13:50
@38
you meant rigourous?
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Like +0 Object -0 False News With Balls 31 May 10, 05:27
I just got information from a friend at NUJS that they have won the WTO World Final Rounds. This is great news for the legal community in India as a whole. My heartiest congratulations to the team.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 31 May 10, 09:59
YES it is true NUJS won the ELSA finals i dnt noe which team they beat int he finals all i noe is they beat GNLU in the semis. happy for NUJS my hearty congrats to the team.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 01 Jun 10, 10:42
Whoever passed that comment on NUJS being like KKR is warmly invited to visit the campus and take a look at the ELSA trophy that has been added to the long list of historical achievements including the Vienna win. And this was the first moot for Valli Shree Chandra, third year who was a speaker on the team. Everyone, say cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese. Happy?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 01 Jun 10, 18:32
why hasn't the elsa victory been reported till now ...definitely the biggest mooting achievement by an Indian team this year, and such step-motherly treatment?
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 01 Jun 10, 18:37
It is proving to be pretty much impossible getting in touch with the team, with moot captains (due to campus holidays) and convenors (due to the Dominican Republic time difference and travel).

We will update ASAP but need to get authoritative confirmation of results, plus the details on other point scoring awards.
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