BCI chairman Mishra: Slams academics | Remains anti-foreign-firm | Shutting more law schools | Several plans on ice

The world according to Mishra, digested
The world according to Mishra, digested
Bar Council of India (BCI) chairman Manan Kumar Mishra in an insightful interview with legal website Bar & Bench reiterated his strong opposition to the entry of foreign law firms, noted that the BCI had been cancelling licenses for around 10 law schools per meeting, expressed a grouse against law teachers and promised to bring law firm misconduct under the BCI’s scanner with the Society of Indian Law Firms (SILF).

Miles to go, promises to keep:

Mishra’s proposed one-year compulsory law graduate training programme is on ice since the new law minister came in, and will require some amendments to the Advocates Act 1961.

Also, some state bar councils have objected to the “very good decision by the BCI” to require bar licenses to be renewed every five years, so until there is a majority decision it won’t be notified.

The BCI will be training law teachers itself and banning those with distance education LLMs from teaching.

Pending till next year: Common national exam for lawyers, compulsory web-registration portal for law students, teachers and lawyers.

Foreign law firms: BCI opposing tooth and nail: “We are doing this for the benefit of the lawyers of the country. First, we need to protect the interest of our lawyers. If we allow foreign lawyers to operate without any restriction in our country then our lawyers will be in trouble. They put our lawyers to severe tests, which are very difficult to clear. If we have to allow the entry of foreign lawyers, it will be allowed only on the basis of reciprocity.”

Legal Education: In every meeting of the legal education committee BCI is closing down five to 10 law colleges. Will soon also disallow law teachers with distance-LLM degrees from teaching.

80 law teachers who said they wanted to be involved in BCI’s decisions on legal education: They are people with “vested interests” who “have tried to tarnish the image of the BCI” and “don’t believe in teaching the students, they only do politics”.

“We lay down the norms, but in a classroom the teachers are teaching the students. So, if there is any downfall in the standard of legal education, you [the teachers] are directly responsible. If there is any demerit in the syllabus you have never raised any question, you have never given any suggestion that this should be the standard and this should be the norm.”

The BCI had replied to the law teachers in September.

Law firms: We are framing rules against law firm misconduct in consultation with SILF president Lalit Bhasin. Until then, we can’t do anything about complaints against law firms.

All India Bar Exam (AIBE): Will generate Rs 6 crore, of which around Rs 2 crore could go to the independent contractor ITES Horizon. Sample questions won’t be supplied until four days before the exam. Also slams Legally India, BarHacker, and others [click to read AIBE summary].

Comments

BCI is an elephant! 27 Nov 2012, 12:21
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These BCI chairmen should be made to undertake mandatory training at one of the national law schools. Not formal legal training of course, but just to get a better worldview of developments happening across the modern legal landscape. Also, they should be regularly quizzed on news articles published by ABA, thelawyer.com, etc.
Critic 27 Nov 2012, 13:05
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Really LI! Two headlines from one B&B interview. I am a great fan of LI, but this is a trend which is disappointing.
kianganz 27 Nov 2012, 13:18
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In my humble opinion, it was an interesting interview containing important information that deserved being brought to the attention of our readers.

Again, as written above, we would urge readers interested in the BCI to read the original interview.

Best wishes
Kian
Critic 2 27 Nov 2012, 13:40
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we want to think of li as a news generating site... Please live up to that..

also ...."We urge you to read the original interview".. And then throughout give wrong hyperlinks throughout?

You got this one wrong mate..
kianganz 27 Nov 2012, 14:18
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I'm happy for you to disagree but, respectfully, I strongly disagree with you.

The hyperlinks in this and the AIBE news item provide context that was absent from the original interview and put the chairman's comments into perspective -- something that was missing in the original interview.

There is also a hyperlink right at the top and right at the bottom to B&B's article, which is more than adequate attribution by any means, and certainly more than has been done by our competition and others in many cases (without naming names).

I also believe that much of this 'disagreement' has already been discussed in a previous thread and does not warrant further dissection, ad infinitum.

We like generating news, being a 'paper of record' about Indian law, as well as sharing with readers everything we think they would like to be informed about. And that's that.

As a reader you remain free to choose which you prefer.

Best wishes,
Kian
A Supreme Court Lawyer 27 Nov 2012, 14:27
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What is his take on grave misconduct of a law firm which does not pay the dues of lawyers who worked for it for many years? Will he stand up and take strictest actions for professional misconduct against the lawyers who own such firm? Will he also ensure that all law firms are regulated in future to prevent such wrongful acts? Will he reach out to the victim lawyers and provide his and BCI's assistance to them so that they get their rightful dues? Kian, can you please bring this post to his attention and seek his views?
kianganz 27 Nov 2012, 14:33
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Next time we meet with him we will try, although I wouldn't hold my breath for a detailed response on that. My feeling is that the regulation of law firms in any meaningful manner is still a long way off.
Minutes 27 Nov 2012, 15:52
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Also, the next time you meet with him, would you please ask him why the Legal Education Committee meeting minutes haven't been updated in almost two years on the BCI website. He talks about 5-10 colleges being de-recognized, but the general public has no way of knowing if the minutes are not published. Is there a special reason why? If BCI doesn't have the technical acumen to put up copies of minutes online, the least they could do is to give LI a paper copy, and you guys can post it. Of course, I mean that in a silly way, but really, why the delay. The last minutes from the LE committee are from April 2011??
Kian, could you please take this up with BCI. The last time you interviewed then BCI chairman Parija, he said the minutes will be up on the BCI website "soon." Here is what he said "The Bar Council of India (BCI) is set to get a new chairman, as current chair Ashok Parija has said that he would not run for a second term in the 16 April elections, as Parija said that the BCI closed 100 colleges since former chairman Gopal Subramanium’s tenure and that it would publish its meeting minutes again." Why the delay?
kianganz 28 Nov 2012, 08:27
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We have asked, and asked, and asked for the minutes at least have a dozen times, and kept being told, yes, we'll upload them soon.

We're filing an RTI to get them, we'll see what happens.
A Foxed Lawyer 27 Nov 2012, 14:30
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The reason given for opposing entry of foriegn law firms i.e. - "They put our lawyers to severe tests, which are very difficult to clear." is really amusing! This really shows Indian lawyers their place!
NetaG 27 Nov 2012, 14:51
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This man's logic is utterly preposterous. This narrow-minded idiotic stream of thought, coupled with a zest to make money and to interfere directly with the functioning of law schools, won't take the practice and the teaching of law any where.
jk 27 Nov 2012, 16:58
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disgusted 27 Nov 2012, 23:01
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thanks jk for the link. Clearly not even a hope for seeing better days for Indian legal profession. Interesting that he has spilled the beans on silf's role in regulating law firms. Seriously, don't even try and compare the Indian legal profession with that in other countries..
shocked beyond belief 28 Nov 2012, 03:26
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Bar & Bench has censored this comment from me, so here goes:

"Throughout the Petition they have tried to tarnish the image of the BCI. They are people with vested interests. They don’t believe in teaching the students, they only do politics. They want themselves to be highlighted through all this politics, which we always discourage."

This is a grossly defamatory and serious allegation made against some of India's most senior academicians. Why did Bar & Bench was not have the guts to quiz him further on this? I hope LI will speak to the senior people and respected elders who signed the petition and ask them to respond. This is an extremely grave allegation that merits a lot of coverage. I can't believe everyone is skipping this and only focusing on the foreign law firms issue.
Hah 28 Nov 2012, 05:58
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I think that Mr Mishra with this interview has done enough tarnishing of BCI's image...
Farce! 28 Nov 2012, 05:10
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I was going through the Bar Council of India's website, wherein the AIBE is specifically notified by in the Gazette. One of the requirements are

"Such substantive/procedural law areas and syllabi shall be published by the Bar Council of India at least three months prior to the scheduled date of examination."

I am quite sure that this was not done by BCI as until September 4, 2012, BCI was still contemplating the agency which would be helping the BCI to conduct the AIBE.

So if the body governing legal professionals cannot abide by the rules published in the Gazette, how do they expect to have legal professionals not stand up against them.

Moreover, why demean the ability of Indian lawyers to stand up to the "tests" that foreign law firms have or may have? Are you doubting capability of the profession in India?

Lastly, even though the numbers may have increased in respect of the applicants for the AIBE, it does not necessarily imply that everyone is "fine" with the fee being levied. Legal practice can neither begin without one passing the Bar Exam (as was the intention) nor continue to practice with a provisional undertaking. Hence, it is a necessity to comply not acceptance of the proesses.
penguin 28 Nov 2012, 07:34
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Kian you should interview Prashant Bhushan and ask him on these issues. How come you have never interviewed him?
Abhishek Santhalia 28 Nov 2012, 08:16
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I think I should be the next chairman of BCI. Bah!
Patna Lawyer 28 Nov 2012, 11:45
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I fully endorse the views. No foriegn law firm should be allowed at least in Bhagalpur and Patna!
A 30 Nov 2012, 06:39
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No need to make fun of him just because he is from Bihar and studied law in Patna. This is a very wrong and elitist attitude. Even Gopal Subramanian was against liberalisation. Why don't you ridiciule him? Just because he speaks English with a proper accent and went to a reputed school and college?
tima 28 Nov 2012, 17:56
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This guy's comments are shocking. With silly people like this at the helm how can the profession in India grow?? Someone like Arnab Goswami should quiz him on how he intends to "protect our lawyers" by barring foreign firms. There are so many ways in which foreign firms can be allowed to set up shop in India while continuing to require that only india-qualified lawyers practice. At least some more jobs will get created. I think nobody in BCI has spent even 5 mins thinking about this issue. shame on lalit bhasin and cyril and shardul for lobbying against foreign firms just to protect [...]
Anoop Prakash 29 Nov 2012, 06:56
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BCI has been suffering from heart blockage, now disease has reached to head. Can anyone suggest good clinical process for bypass surgery of a blockhead?? waiting...
le 29 Nov 2012, 09:57
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although i do not agree with many points raised by the bci chairman, however i do have developed similar opinion about liberalisation of indian legal market. one of the foremost things that come to mind is reciprocity, foreign law firms want the market to be open - what exactly do they mean by open. well if we read the petitions in the madras hc writ, we would find that foreign law firms primarily want foreign qualified lawyers (like their senior partners) to do transactional works. I was always a big supporter of liberalisation however when i looked at the domestic regulation of uk and us my views changed. in uk for a foreign qualified lawyer its an uphill task, it takes about one year to complete the degree equivalence and lpc/bvc. what i would want bci to endorse is tell the foreign lawyers they can practice law in india let the foreign lawyers pass the degree equivalence test which the BCI conducts and then pass the joke of the bar exam. then teh foreign lawyers become at par with the local lawyers. i do not see why we have to open our market while the foreign market is closed to us.
tima 30 Nov 2012, 21:14
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[quote name="le"]although i do not agree with many points raised by the bci chairman, however i do have developed similar opinion about liberalisation of indian legal market. one of the foremost things that come to mind is reciprocity, foreign law firms want the market to be open - what exactly do they mean by open. well if we read the petitions in the madras hc writ, we would find that foreign law firms primarily want foreign qualified lawyers (like their senior partners) to do transactional works. I was always a big supporter of liberalisation however when i looked at the domestic regulation of uk and us my views changed. in uk for a foreign qualified lawyer its an uphill task, it takes about one year to complete the degree equivalence and lpc/bvc. what i would want bci to endorse is tell the foreign lawyers they can practice law in india let the foreign lawyers pass the degree equivalence test which the BCI conducts and then pass the joke of the bar exam. then teh foreign lawyers become at par with the local lawyers. i do not see why we have to open our market while the foreign market is closed to us.[/quote]

You are a stupid chap indeed. If we close our legal market to foreign firms who suffers??? It's our lawyers becos thats a bunch of jobs that they cannot be hired for. As of today, many big corporates go to A&O, Linklaters for general corporate advise and due diligence of Indian conracts depsite the presence of AZB, Amarchand, etc. If we let these foreign firms set up shop and stipulate that they can have only india qualified lawyers as partners / associates, they will be forced to recruit from India, thereby bringing best practices into india, providing better and more-paying jobs, creating a good work environ ment and bringing an end to the ad-hoc style of law practised presently by the Shroffs and the Luthras [...]. How does it matter if other countries have difficult entry barriers to practice?? It's not like an army of indian lawyers is waiting to practice in the UK or NYC. FDI in law is not about lowering entry barriers to practice - it is about attracting investment into the legal sector.
a poor lawyer 29 Nov 2012, 10:20
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The question whether foreign law firms should be allowed in india or not is as old as i have been in the profession and there seems to be no solution as yet. Has BCI ever bothered to ask what young lawyers actually want on this issue? why cant there be an open poll? i am sure it will take not more than a day to decide this issue.

The young lawyers need (1) mature profession (2) greater accountability and formal employer-employee relationship (3) technology based sophisticated work environment(4) freedom from family run law firms and (5) decent and consistent salaries/fees. If BCI can ensure all this practically, who needs foreign law firms. otherwise, foreign firms' entry is inevitable.

the submission that Indian lawyers cannot pass the test which foreign law firm may prescribe is not only demeaning to the lawyers but far from reality.

On teachers, all i have to say that an average salary of a law teacher of a private institute is circa Rs. 35000. What do u expect them to do? add quality in education? are teachers given any formal legal education training, scope of R&D and exposure to international teaching standards? is BCI making these things mandatory, not only as a policy, but practically also?