NLS student body votes against ‘brute majoritarian’ CAA • NUJS joins 8 NLUs slamming cop violence post minor controversy

NLS student body votes against CAA, calls on SC to look into police violence
NLS student body votes against CAA, calls on SC to look into police violence

Following a joint statement by the elected student representative bodies of eight national law university, opposing a police crackdown on student protests against the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) 2019, the NLSIU Bangalore student body as a whole has passed an “unequivocal condemnation” of the police’s “assault on the rule of law, morality and democratic ethos and tradition that is fundamental to dignified living” (see picture above).

In the statement the students also “beseech the judiciary to take due cognizance” and adds that the students believed that the CAA was “completely against the foundational values that the Constitution of India is built upon, and which we so cherish”, noting:

The act is discriminatory, devoid of any reasonable classification, and at its base uses religion as the basis for granting citizenship. In its form and design, it is clear that the law is intended to directly target inter alia the Muslim minority community and is a classic example of a brute majoritarian preference aggregation impinging on the secular fabric that is woven into our founding document. We do not support this legislation, and call upon influential members of the legal fraternity, both on the bar and on the bench to join us in rejecting this morally bankrupt law.

The statement was passed unanimously at a general body of students, attended by more than the quorum of 25% of the entire body, according to its student bar association (SBA).

Many NLUs make statement but not all

It follows the NLSIU SBA and the elected representatives of seven other NLUs (NUALS Kochi, Nalsar Hyderabad, MNLU Mumbai, MNLU Nagpur, HNLU Raipur, NLU Odisha, NUSRL Ranchi) having put out a similar but more cautious joint statement earlier yesterday.

That statement was put out without a general body vote from students at those universities and was also far softer than NLSIU’s, merely condemning the police for its apparently disproportionate use of force in cracking down on civilian protests and being completely silent about the CAA (see joint full statement below, via Facebook).

Nevertheless, mirroring the intentionally deep divide caused by this and other recent political issues, not all NLU student bodies initially got behind this statement.

Notable by its initial absence, perhaps, was NUJS Kolkata, which was not in the initial joint resolution that was published by eight NLUs.

However, NUJS’ general body of students passed a resolution yesterday night unanimously, by show of hands, and the Student Juridical Association (SJA) released its statement on its website in support of the other NLUs’ statement, noting:

NUJS stands in complete solidarity with the students of Jamia Millia Islamia and Aligarh Muslim University and is proud to be a part of the Joint Statement made by the Student Bodies of NLSIU, NALSAR, HNLU, NLUO, NUALS, NUSRL, MNLU-Mumbai, and MNLU-Nagpur.

We further strongly condemn the disproportionate and atrocious exercise of force by the police and extend our unconditional support to the students of these colleges and all other colleges in the exercise of their constitutional rights. We sincerely urge other National Law Universities to come together to join the Statement.

Teacup tweetstorm

As too often in this day and age, all this did not pass without getting noticed on Politico-Legal (tm) Twitter, where it kicked off a minor controversy.

One self-described “conservative” lawyer practising at the Supreme Court tweeted (we have not included names and Twitter handles, so as to avoid further pointless fanning of flames):

My intern & [senior office bearer SJA] of #NUJS, Kolkata, […] is being targeted by his fellow students both on campus & on social media for his stand again violence by #Jamia students. They’ve been FORCING him to issue a solidarity statement in favour of Jamia & AMU. Please share!

We have not been able to corroborate that there has been any coercion or force used, but the lawyer included a screenshot of the following tweet by another NUJS student:

quote-tweeting because I must, and because […] is the NUJS [SJA office bearer]. is it any wonder that the SJA was apprehensive about putting out a solidarity statement?

That student had “quote-tweeted” the SJA office bearer, who self-identifies as “conservative” and “Hindu” on his Twitter profile, whose tweet had said:

Mindless vandalism by stds at Jamia Univ shows how opposition tries to incite violence and vandalism among universities. Govt. cannot be blamed or targeted for passing a law within it’s consti. powers, challenges to amndmnt must be entertained by the SC, vandalism is disgraceful

Following the tweet by the Supreme Court lawyer, the (presumably non-conservative) NUJS student in turn responded to the lawyer with:

It’s so completely ridiculous of you to accuse me and other NUJS students of forcing [SJA] to issue a statement. He is a student body representative, and nobody forced him to take up the job. It would be great if he could speak for himself, without an army of trolls.

Derailing discourse

This is probably not a unique narrative on law school (and other campuses).

A tweet by the same conservative Supreme Court lawyer was cited by the self-described right-wing Swarajya blog, which carried a story headlined “NALSAR Law Student Allegedly Being Hounded For Pro-CAA Statement By Varsity’s ‘Liberal’ Students And Teachers”.

The Nalsar student had told the website that: “CAA has been challenged in the Supreme Court and as students of law we must submit to Court of Law for further decision making. However harassment and intimidating social media reaction on my personal opinion fails the objective of a liberal campus with free speech.”

Again, no evidence was provided that there was actual harassment for pro-CAA views in either case and we have not been able to independently confirm that there was any harassment.

That said, it’s certainly feasible that being in favour of the CAA is an unpopular opinion on law school campuses these days. Such views could even conceivably attract some social opprobrium from fellow national law school students, who tend to be imbued with an idealism encouraged by fresh knowledge of India’s secular constitutional values and the rule of law; meanwhile, online, such idealism is increasingly treated and harassed as being “anti-national”.

So, while these Tweets may just be tiny storms in teacups, they show that even law school students and campuses are not immune from the larger national narratives that are intentionally derailing fact-based discourse by the day, which end up making things more about emotion than the law.

Continuing to keep emotion and the law separate will be the only way the latter can survive.

Joint statement by 8 NLUs against police action (via Facebook)
Joint statement by 8 NLUs against police action (via Facebook)

Comments

Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:17
+25 -59
Typical leftist hypocrisy. I request those trying to turn NLU into JNU to please answer the following:

1. Why are solidarity statements not issues condemning the Congress for the 1984 riots? Or Mamata for the actions of her goons? Or Pakistan for its treatment of Hindus, Balochis, Shias and Ahmadiyas? Or China for its treatment of Tibetans and Muslims in Xinjiang?

2. Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh are subjects of legalised discrimination and horrific violence. Do you want India to turn them away?

3. Why are these people silent about the violence that happened in Delhi?
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:33
+39 -8
Why are you a troll? Because you can't stop being one?
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:34
+28 -7
I happen to consider myself a right wing individual, at least insofar as the economy is concerned. I gladly signed the statement. That pricks a large hole in your balloon of a theory, doesn't it now?
Trolltax 17 Dec 2019, 11:44
+31 -6
Sometimes someone needs to pay the troll tax...

1. Whataboutery aside, because 1984 was 35 years ago, and the other thing is happening right now? Because Mamata goons are no worse than the gau rakshak and thousands of other political party goons, which operate on a national level everywhere. Because Pakistan and China are literally different countries that are not India, where these students live, and that also make no claims to be as democratic as India?

2. If violence is the yardstick, the biggest genocide in recent years is of a Muslim minority in Myanmar by a Buddhist majority. Why are you turning them away? And what about sub-sects of Muslims getting persecuted in these countries? What about atheists or Jews?

3. This 'violence' or property damage, even if it is not proved that it has been done by protestors and not by the police, is a fraction of the violence that Hong Kong saw in protests and even the Hong Kong police showed more restraint than Delhi's...

The worst thing about the trolls is that they should just be honest and admit that they want India to stop being a secular democracy, and instead become like China and Pakistan? Why are you pretending otherwise?
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:25
+2 -10
They gave us Messiah and he gave us....certainly not the manna. Then again different strokes for different folks. And now this.

Anyone who bothers to "see" knows that CAA has a good chance of getting smacked at some level by the courts. Hell if things really go south at a "global" level, the govt may pull back. HM has already said he is open to tweaks, is considering extension of ILP to Tripura etc. What do all these things say? CAB/CAA was mostly about dog-whistle politics and in a sense the "party" is mostly interested in polarizing. Once that is achieved, does it really matter what the SC does or doesn't?

And does anyone here really think that SC doesn't do "politics"? The game has just begun.

I am not in support of CAA. But I also don't think that once the technicality of quorum is complied, then it can necessarily be called SBA version, especially on matters such as these. If we can have the detail called "quorum was achieved" then why not tell us that this resolution was passed with overwhelming majority.

At a certain level aren't we doing what the dog-whistlers are doing. Using (political) arithmetic in LS and RS to say and do things that a considerable 'majority" may not really want?

How about the SBA saying that X numbers supported a particular version but alternate versions were supported by the Y and Z numbers?
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:11
+0 -0
Stream of conscious writing.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:28
+10 -28
You fools, why can't you unite over #NationaliseNLUs instead of this?
Guests 19 Dec 2019, 02:42
+4 -2
Cause this is more important that self interest.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:28
+2 -3
https://thewire.in/politics/student-protests-narendra-modi-politics-career-navnirman-movement
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:32
+2 -9
Kian it's NLSIU Bengaluru, not Bangalore, like NLU Mumbai (not Bombay) and NUJS Kolkata (not Calcutta). See the official website.

http://nls.ac.in
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:36
+38 -1
I like Bangalore Law College better. I'll keep saying that every time you post this comment.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:40
+5 -20
Totally illegal resolution by NUJS SJA passed without proper consultation. TMC takeover now complete.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:37
+27 -6
Illegal resolution? xD This was done by the students, by the way. Admin was not involved in any way. But it's nice to see such moves can drive your fascist bp up.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:43
+11 -15
You pass resolutions without majority student support and then call a govt "fascist" for passing a bill with majority support? LMAO.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:46
+12 -31
Harish Salve has clearly explained why CAA is constitutional. And we need to learn from students??

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgiFqMrCxPU[/youtube]
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:38
+57 -8
Didn't know Salve is now the supreme intelligence and the arbiter of the law of the land. Maybe build a statue of him in your Ram Mandir?
Salveshan 17 Dec 2019, 16:23
+11 -3
He's pulling bullshit arguments that he himself doesn't seem to have a lot of conviction in.
sad hominem 18 Dec 2019, 06:04
+25 -5
Yes, we need to learn from students.

Because explaining that "the CAA is constitutional" is easy. Any first year law student can do what Salve did, and come out with shallow arguments that put a fig-leaf of "logic" on the CAA.

Maybe the SC will find it "constitutional". Expect some "reasoning" that says that it is for those who are not citizens today, and all of that.

But, the CAA goes against who we are as humans. I am very upset that, as a citizen of this country, we are choosing to enact laws like the CAA, which take a cavalier and unthinking attitude to some people.

I want to stand with those who are better humans. I do not want to hide behind elastic arguments around constitutionality.
Observer 18 Dec 2019, 06:51
+11 -2
Absolutely right. I will not with it even 100 salve say so, even SC. We are in the Era forget about nation, even whole civilization may go wrong. We are forgetting the basics of humanity. No one ready to think about a person, who is without nationality after being born in this blue earth as free human spirit. Those who are thinking that Bangladesh may take them back, simply not knowing how sovereign nations react on such issue. Deportation attempts of even proven identities have failed most of the time in the past.
Bajrangi 24 Dec 2019, 13:14
+1 -1
Amend the constitution to say that when H.Salve declares something as constitutional, it can not be questioned.
Anonymous Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:33
+24 -3
Oh no! Has Harish been going senile on his London jaunts? Half his arguments are circuitous to the point of illogic.

"If India was to say that any Hindu can migrate into India, but no other community, even that may be constitutionally valid." Really Mr Salve?

"If the NRC exercise is flawed, even without this bill it would result in a lot of Indians getting evicted. If it's not flawed, this bill will just protect some people and not others." Um, is that not by definition discrimination on the basis of religion?
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 03:04
+12 -23
The protests are less to do with CAA and more to do with the frustration of lefties losing to Modi in 2019. Same thing is happening abroad, with the sham impeachment against Trump, protests against Boris Johnson etc. It is time you lefties get lost and realise that no one cares about your useless ideology.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 05:30
+14 -4
What makes you a 'non-lefty'? Do you perform your morning ablutions with your other appendage?
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 03:38
+4 -3
A demographic breakup of NLU students will be interesting. Are Punjabi, Bengali and Sindhi students whose grandparents came as refugees from Pakistan and Bangladesh joining in the protest? There is large support for CAA among these communities, especially descendants of partition refugees (I am one: my grandparents had to give up their house and property).
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 06:59
+19 -3
They are. Nobody decent has any problem with giving citizenship to people who had arrived back then, it's the picking and choosing between religions that's a problem. This has be looked in combo with NRC. Get a whole list of people denied citizenship first, then get the non-Muslims a way out through CAA, leaving the Muslims homeless and stateless. That's diabolical. I am a Bengali, I identify as a Hindu, certainly not a leftist and my grandparents too had come during the 50s from East Bengal. I still think this is bad.
Guests 19 Dec 2019, 02:40
+6 -2
Really? I know four people who trace ancestry to Pakistan from law school- 2 punjabi and 2 Sindhi some have living relatives there still - all of them not only oppose the CAA, they are organising and protesting against the CAA.
Maybe being denied citizenship on the basis of religion once convinced them it’s a bad idea to do that to anyone.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 06:23
+1 -0
Hear, hear.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 20:16
+5 -1
My grandparents (3/4) came from what is now Pakistan. I have heard stories first hand about how silly divisiveness can bring catastrophic consequences. My grandparents came to India to escape that. We do not need to repeat the mistakes of idiots and vote grubbing opportunists.

I welcome the persecuted from our neighbouring countries, but abhor the idea of putting in a religion based provision on granting citizenship. I am sure the same ends (asylum and citizenship to persecuted minorities in neighbouring Islamic countries) could have been achieved even if the Act had been drafted less divisively.
Motorcycle 18 Dec 2019, 05:36
+1 -0
GNLU Students + Alumni have their own statement here - https://jurysoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/12/17/statement-of-solidarity-by-students-and-alumni-of-gnlu/
Lame Congress 18 Dec 2019, 06:44
+8 -20
Congress is stupid, first they looted so much that in frustration people voted for BJP, then comes their lame protests, their agenda seems to be mindlessly critical of everything that BJP does. If BJP tomorrow says you wash yourself after doing no. 2, Congress will say you not ought to clean your behind, you facist and bigot !

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that [...] pak, bangladesh or afghanistan [...] are the same countries, where it is is ok to marry off children, keep them as sex slaves, throw homosexuals off rooftops and need i add more? [...] Don't get me wrong, this is not applicable to Indian Muslims who are civilized and have every right to exist as citizens of this nation. One might of course say that India has Hindu war mongering clowns also but those people are dumb and constrained to only select region doing their dumb shit, they are not even close to being as co-ordinated as these lovely folks i was just talking about.

JNU people are absolute jokers as well, everytime they time their protests right before their exams, so that 30 year old krantikari undergrads can spend some more time in campus, doing krantikari work but produce no research for which they get insurmountable amount of public funding, which can be put to better use. Most of these people pursue degrees for which there can be possibly no demand in the market, (B.A. Korean/Russian/Tagalog - Lets be realistic - they are useless) and then unable to find a job as a manager in a company they surprising are frustrated and criticize the economy, while actively being a burden on the same.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 07:03
+18 -3
Right, JNU students don't do anything fruitful and still across every world ranking and national ranking, they are ahead of every law school in the country. The joke is on you, pal. As for your bigotry, it's very much applicable to Indian Muslims, who would be left out via the NRC. Your PM and his Homie have already revealed their hatred many a time recently and in the past. Nobody is asking not to give minority from those 3 places citizenship, why not accord the same treatment to people facing religious persecution from the State anywhere or at least even across all the other neighboring countries?
rahul paandu 18 Dec 2019, 09:35
+6 -15
hahahaha, ahead of every lawschool in the country, and what rankings are you talking about ? Sure, some ultra leftie media outlet must have given you a favourable ranking sometime ago, but when was the last time anyone from jnu was recognised for contributing to anything more than a trafiic jam? or when was there a news segment on a jamia student making a path breaking discovery in the field of biotech?? never.

muslims from pak, bangla, afghanistan would be a huge national security threat, and its a good thing their influx is being controlled and the ones already in are carefully being expelled.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 11:59
+17 -3
Actually, you seem to be more of a security threat to this country judging from your very comment. Bigots aren't welcome here. So you should probably pack it up and leave. Or become a wage labourer for Ram Mandir. As for rankings, you can check either the Indian NIRF or any global ranking of the Indian universities. No Indian law school other than Jindal even features in the latter ones.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 04:38
+9 -0
The current Finance Minister from your beloved party is from JNU, pal. As are the last Foreign Secretary, the CEO to Niti Ayog, the latest Nobel prize winner from India, key figures at RBI and World Bank, the former deputy NSA, several award winning journalists and poets. I know research is not the strong suit of you saffron trolls, but honestly, at least read/listen to the drivel you come up with before posting it.
Acha 19 Dec 2019, 06:47
+1 -5
Nobody cares, if someone who graduated from JNU made some minister. A lot of people from DU are SC judges, it is still a shit college to study law at, with fake attendance being given and classes not being conducted. So what if one guy makes something out of 10s of thouands of students who recieved unbelievably subsidized education, that too coming from a time when it was one of possibly 10 institutions in the country imparting higher education. Also, as i have mentioned as part of my previous comment which LI will gladly not post, I believe NIRF rankings are a sham, with questionable parameters for according rankings, reports sought from univeristies which are never verified, unfair towards the new univeristies or the ones lesser recognised. And I am not particularly a BJP fan either, i believe you congressia people are clowns who will lose the 2024 elections also if you dont part ways with RA-one.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:34
+4 -0
A. I'm not a congressi. Nor a leftist.
B. You are the one who's claiming that jnu students don't amount to anything. Yet when it comes to achievements or graduate outcomes, like the good IT Cell Troll that you are, you won't accept any ranking, national or international to be the benchmark, nor political, economic, industrial, literary positions or achievements nor awards or recognitions as relevant! What exactly is your benchmark of graduate success then? Doing yoga 24*7, drinking cow piss, confusing between astrology and astronomy and building temples? Every single claim that you've made about jnu is patently false, [...]
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 08:01
+5 -16
If you think you have the right to supports the vandalism in Delhi, then law firms and companies also have the right to reject you for placements. The HR people can easily access the names as the petitions have been made public. Now live to regret your stupidity.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 09:23
+15 -2
Cool. Let them get their sweatshops run by their Chaddi buddies. As a signatory, I have got no problem with that. Incidentally, by violence, do you mean the acts committed by the Delhi police in total disregard to the laws that they are supposed to be enforcing?
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 08:03
+1 -1
LiveLaw has uploaded various petitions.

https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/students-alumni-of-symbiosis-ils-gnlu-condemn-police-action-against-aligarh-and-jamia-students-150920
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 11:16
+5 -14
If NUJS students wish to copy NLSIU and NALSAR, please copy the good things from them, such as infrastructure, placements, website, alumni outreach and faculty. Do not copy their leftism.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 11:57
+11 -1
NUJS is already ahead in terms of placement if you actually consider Day Zero for the past 5 years. Regarding the others, your point is well taken. Although haven't heard much about NALSAR's alumni outreach. Law School's alumni network is of course the very best of all NLUs. Faculty of these three places are actually comparable. Each have some good people and some terrible ones. It's possible Sudhir may change that in future, but hasn't happened yet.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 13:04
+7 -1
Nujs is ahead of the other two in terms of placement.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 12:27
+5 -15
More than Harish Salve, J Sai Deepak has made an excellent case for why CAB is constitutional. Video below. The protests have zero basis in law.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04eLoIyKAhE[/youtube]
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 13:07
+16 -1
Is it a coincidence that almost everyone speaking in favour of the CAA is making it seem like it is an exercise in isolation and has got absolutely nothing to do with the NRC? I don't know whether that is actual naivete or deliberate attempt at obfuscation. People keep saying Muslims have lost no right because they can still apply for citizenship in the 'normal' way. Well, if the normal way is so good, then why try to provide any privilege to refugees from other religions? It's a crying shame that this country is now making laws and policies on the basis of religion, all the while ignoring priorities like education, health and the economy.
Guest 18 Dec 2019, 13:13
+17 -3
Isn't this the same guy who is also arguing that an idol would end up losing its virginity if women of a certain age get to go near it? I won't have minded had he only been representing the views of a client, but he has made it clear that he is a personal believer in the same 'illogic' and is not above playing the card of religious sentiments when it suits him. So yeah, for him to argue about constitutionality should be taken with a pinch of salt at best. They are all birds of the same feather. Intended to make the country a hell-hole of religious bigotry and regressive norms and policies.
Morning Constitutional 19 Dec 2019, 04:57
+8 -0
Ah, the Constitution. Guy called Ambedkar had this to say about it.

"If I find the Constitution being misused, I shall be the first to burn it".
Gangadeen 18 Dec 2019, 17:44
+0 -0
Modi loves these well wishers. The more they churn the milk, more the butter for him. The man is a genius. Knows how to use whom
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 01:23
+4 -4
Prof Mustafa is not only flooding YouTube with anti-CAA videos and criticising the govt, but he is also asking people to like and subscribe to his channel, in order to become popular. Such behaviour is not expected from a VC, who is supposed to be neutral and not try to be a social media influencer.
Guests 19 Dec 2019, 07:01
+8 -1
Academics are not supposed to be locked away in Ivory towers. They are supposed to speak to the masses. He’s not trying to sell shoes or clothes- he’s raising awareness about the constitution of India - which happens to be his life’s work.

Neutrality in the face of oppression is cowardice.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 01:46
+4 -11
NEWS FLASH: 74 alumni and students of NUJS have signed a petition in favour of CAA.Shows that the SJA resolution and use of the university logo was totally illegal. We will not be bullied by the #FascistLeft.

https://twitter.com/BBTheorist/status/1207374469817196546
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 06:20
+7 -2
A lot of people have also protested that their names are being used falsely in that statement in support of CCA, since it didn't require people to sign in or provide email addresses before they could sign that. Typical IT Cell work. That never happened in case of the statement against CCA. Shows how BJP supporters would stoop to anything to feel good. By the way, hardly 10-15 alumni have signed the statement supporting the police brutality and CAA.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:40
+1 -4
Fake allegation. The signatories are genuine and known BJP supporter
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:48
+2 -1
Is that why you are afraid of putting this up along with the list of names on the alumni pages? The earlier statement opposing CAA is up there, so that people can cross-check for inconsistencies. This one isn't. It's very obvious why.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:49
+1 -2
The allegations are very real. Some of these people have also mailed several times the guy who started this. So far they haven't got any response nor have had their names removed from the document. [...]
kianganz 19 Dec 2019, 12:57
+1 -0
Please let them know to get in touch with us if they have been included without consent. For the time being, seeing as this is an anonymous comment, this can't be treated as a true or corroborated allegation...
NUJS Alum 30 Apr 2021, 06:48
+0 -0
lol, most of the signatories were first and second year students - think all of 10 actual alumni signed that stupid Pro-CAA statement. The official NUJS Alumni association statement had over 400 signatories (all of whom were actual alumni) and that statemet was extremely and unambiguously critical of the CAA.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:52
+5 -1
Dude, 400 plus alumni have signed the other petition decrying police brutality and CAA inside 12 hours. It's clear what's the overall stance is. The student vote is also clear from the SJA petition. Even using fake names or names without graduation years, location as hostel rooms etc., this one isn't getting even a fraction of the support. Serves it right too!
Atithi 20 Dec 2019, 19:22
+0 -0
Dekho bhaiyya sasta nashe ka asar
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 03:52
+0 -0
Kian, can you confirm which NLUs have refused to endorse the joint statement and presumably stand by the Modi govt? So far these appear to be:

1. NLIU
2. RMLNLU
3. MNLU Aurangabad
4. HPNLU
5. CNLU
6. DSNLU
7. TNNLU
8. NLU Jabalpur
9. NLU Haryana
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 06:22
+1 -0
No NLU has yet supported or protested against any of these. Honestly, call yourself a lawyer? So far, only student bodies, individual students or alumni have done so, none of which is the equivalent of institutional endorsement.
NLU Faculty member 19 Dec 2019, 13:40
+0 -1
1. Don't you guys say the 'x' NLU is nothing but its students. Going by that logic, once the students of a NLU speak then that has to be seen as the voice of that NLU.

2. The views of individual faculty members from various NLUs can be seen in their respective, person social media posts.

3. There is no collective body representing any particular NLU faculty or faculty/staff - these aren't permitted. Therefore, there is no singular collective faculty or faculty/staff opinion being stated.

4. Any institutional viewpoint can only be given via acceptance of the GC and Chancellor. Do you really think they are lining up to give anti-government views? Do you think individual faculty members, esp. younger ones, have any say there?

So, please stop trying to collectively shame/bully/slander us - we have given personal views, we have no collectives, we have no voice in the university system (but that the students are aware of and make use of when they go over our heads to the VC/Registrar/Acad-Dean to regularly get our voices over-turned.)
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 16:03
+1 -1
Erm... Where was the slander? I myself signed the document. I was just pointing out that saying that the NLUs are coming out in support is legally and factually inaccurate. Not even a fraction of the faculty have been doing what you said, by the way. Students are, of course. I'm happy about the last part.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 05:23
+0 -0
1. Do you how access to various social media handles of many faculty members across the 25+ NLUs to determine that not even a fraction are doing something?

2. Alternatively, some of them might even be participating in protests taking place across the country. Were you at most of them? Did you have people at most of them reporting to you? Would such hypothetical people even recognize me if I was at the protests at Patiala yesterday? Or a friend of mine in Guwahati?

Please, go do what you have to do. Let me take care of my life.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 06:08
+0 -0
You do whatever you want to do. Who's stopping you? You were the one who accused me of slandering you when I was doing nothing of the sort. Your arguments aren't making any sense. As for your twitter handles and facebook pages, can you please tell me how many faculty members from the NLU that you teach at even have these? Let alone their posts. I know of two leading NLUs at least. Not more than 4 out of 30 faculty in one case and around 3 out of 24 in the other case have openly come out in support of the protests. So there goes your sanctimony out for a toss. You are doing the right thing and I appreciate that. You are trying to paint all your brethren with the same brush without substance, which I don't.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 10:05
+0 -0
MNLU Mumbai has supported CAA: https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/maha-national-law-uni-students-council-president-backs-cab-shares-pre.html
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 10:31
+3 -0
MNLU = Modi National Law Univ :)
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 11:12
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This is outdated news. MNLU Mumbai has since then issued another statement together with other NLUs condemning CAA and the police brutality. Even today, from Karnataka to Delhi and UP, from Assam to J&K, half the country has been kept stifled with curfew, Internet blockade, police brutality, violence. Achhe din indeed! Didn't see something like this in my lifetime before at least. Add to this the failing economy, reduced focus on education and health and the rising violence against women and children, and I can almost imagine how living in one of my neighbouring countries might seem like instead of my own. Shame on this government! Regardless of whether one is right wing, left, or in the middle, nobody can and should fail to perceive all this as grade a inefficiency in terms of governance.
Oldtimer 19 Dec 2019, 06:08
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As an alumni, have seen a lot of this at NLSIU. Been a participant in the agitation for the right to be served beef in the mess, right to be provided with intimacy zones by the University, organizing a gay rights conference when the movement was nascent etc.
Some of these are genuinely agitated youngsters, [...], some to look hip, some to score points in appropriate faculty books and some leaders for foreign admissions and scholarships. [...] They are like the Momentum gang of British Labour, an elite out of touch with masses [...] Just like Momentum left Corbyn and Labour clutching straws, so will these [...] leave those for whom they are fighting.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 06:24
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Is MNLU Mumbai for or against CAA? Republic has claimed that MNLU is for CAA but MNLU is listed as a signatory to the joint NLU petition.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:28
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Because Republic is known to be its everlasting commitment to factual accuracy!
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 10:43
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Smart strategy by MNLU to support Modi govt. It is a new NLU yet to have placements. By disassociating with leftists it is giving the impression of a pro-business, right-wing tilt, which recruiters will like.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:27
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Yes, because it's so apparent how this government is in favour of industries! Looked at the economy lately? Industrialists are cowering in fear, afraid to open their mouth lest they are dubbed anti nationals and retaliated against and choosing not to invest in the country instead. How does that even remotely resemble a capitalistic mindset?
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:15
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[b]MNLU Clarifies Stance On CAA; Extends 'unconditional' Support To Students Of JMU And AMU
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https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/law-and-order/mnlu-clarifies-stance-on-caa-extends-unconditional-support.html
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:25
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Sensible and balanced statement from RMLNLU

[img]https://i0.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/NLU-Lucknow-revised-statement.jpg[/img]
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:28
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#NUJSWithModi

[img]https://i0.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/NUJS-Kolkata-statement.jpg [/img]
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:46
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Why don't you also reveal who the signatories are to this document and how many of them never consented to actually putting their name in this or had signed it deceived by false pretenses? That's the very reason the people who started this are too afraid to release the list of names even on alumni platforms, afraid that their ruse would get called out openly! Does every BJP supporter these days automatically lose their sense of right and wrong and would stoop to any level to muscle their point through even if it means ignoring their education altogether?
kianganz 19 Dec 2019, 12:56
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A full list of apparent signatories of this petition is circulating on Twitter - picture here: //www.legallyindia.com/images/uploads/20191219-182353.jpg

Unless there is direct evidence to the contrary and someone on the list gets in touch to let us know they did not consent to signing it, it seems safe to assume that the signatories are genuine...
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 13:18
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Really, Kian? I draw your attention to the 60th name in the list you've provided. It simply says Tini. From 2010 batch. I am from 2010 batch myself. I can vouch for the fact that there's no person by that name among my batchmates. That should have been apparent even to you. And you don't find it suspicious that this list had actually not been posted on any of the NUJS alumni Facebook page or Whatsapp group so that people could cross check the names? Even 54 has told one of my other batchmates that he'd signed it by mistake, thinking it's the other one and has also sent email for rectification, but to no effect yet. One list of signatories is up on alumni pages for inspection, other isn't. What does that say to you?
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 14:01
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But Kian, it's not a fair expectation on your part. Are you suggesting every person so affected would individually go to every media outlet reproducing this list? All they can be expected is to let the initiator know and maybe reveal this in the alumni pages. Why don't you insist that this list is actually put up on the alumni pages first before you start covering it? Or even ask the person who started it whether signing in using email was mandatory for this list like the other one. It should be covered with all these disclaimers, not without.
NUJS Alum 30 Apr 2021, 06:50
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Kian, an alumni statement shouldn't be signed by students currently in law school. At least highlight the fact that a. there's an actual official statement with over 400 signatories and b. These guy have all of 10-12 Alumni and the rest are first and second year children who, by definition, aren't alumni.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 13:29
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It's funny how people here can't even make a logical argument properly. Let's see. The total number of LLB alumni that NUJS has till date is around 1300-1400. Add to that around 600-620 current LLB students. Out of these, around 400 alumni signs a petition opposing CAA and police brutality. The SJA brings out another similar petition. There's a 3rd one that says it represents both alumni and students who support CAA and police action etc. Even putting the controversies of the genuine signatories aside, it gets around 75 signatures in almost 48 hours. One assumes all those students who opposed the SJA petition could also have signed this one if they wanted to, since a GB mail had been sent for this 3rd one. So it is clear that out of over 2000 people, 75 support the government and police actions. While 400 alumni plus majority of students definitely oppose it and the rest don't want to take a stand. Yet 27 suggests NUJS stands with Modi! This is what blind bigotry leads to, lack of logic or reason.
A Noojie 20 Dec 2019, 11:22
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75 people who signed the petition in support of CAA don't support violence or transgression committed by police inside the universities. Instead they condemn the violent elements and support the legislation named CAA due to their own legal and rational reasons/opinions.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 13:03
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But they clearly signed a petition that does support such police atrocities and dismisses all protests, peaceful or otherwise, out of hand. Are you saying they didn't read it before signing it? And what about the fake names? Who knows how many more are there?
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 12:42
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PSA: A fake and malicious rumour is being circulated that a girl from a leading NLU was beaten up and bloodied by police today. It is 200% fake news.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 13:09
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How do you know? Have you been stalking every single girl from all leading NLUs in your spare time?
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 19:39
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A little insight that could quell the protests. Shame on the ruling disposition to release this so late. Those born before 1987 or whose parents born before 1987 are indian citizens. Further, the documents needed to be shown for the future NRC are ration cards/aadhar cards, etc. #fuckfascism

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/those-born-before-1987-or-whose-parents-born-before-1987-are-indians-govt/articleshow/72902857.cms
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 05:41
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That's not an accurate impression to be drawn from those ministry tweets. They require documents proving date and place of birth. Only two usual documents have the place of birth mentioned. Birth certificate and passport. There are thousands of people born before 70s who won't have either, since birth certificate wasn't mandatorily issued back in those days. One needs to see exactly what documents they are asking for before one may rejoice.
Guest 4 13 Jan 2020, 11:46
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https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/first-proper-nujs-vc-in-15-months-to-be-nk-chakrabarti-from-kiit-cji-clears-name-for-ec-20190606-10597