Exclusive: Nalsar Hyderabad’s recruitment committee has hit a 100 per cent placement target, finishing its recruitment season with 16 in-house offers, four offers from international firms and eight choosing to study LLMs abroad.
Since September of last year, at which point 35 Nalsar students of the 2011 batch were placed with law firms and in-house already after the first set of recruitments on 26 July 2010, the 2011 grads have now bagged another 14 job offers from law firms and 11 from corporates (see table).
After Amarchand having topped the list with a total of 13 job offers, followed by four from Khaitan & Co and five from Ernst & Young, now Majmudar & Co, Luthra & Luthra, AZB & Partners Mumbai, J Sagar Associates (JSA) Delhi and Tatva Legal Hyderabad have each offered jobs to two or more students.
Foreign firms Allen & Overy, Linklaters, Herbert Smith and CMS Cameron McKenna made one offer each to three students.
A number of companies, including KSK Energy Ventures in Hyderabad, Hewlett Packard in Bangalore, GMR in Delhi and IFFCO-TOKIO General Insurance in Delhi picked up more than one student each.
Eight students received a total of 12 offers to study LLM degrees abroad, including one Rhodes scholarship. Oxford and Cambridge proved most popular, with two also having been offered admission to NYU. [Update and correction: According to the RCC one of the eight student has now received an additional LLM offer from Oxford. The updated numbers are now reflected in the table and the article].
A total of 58 students out of a batch of 79 participated in the Nalsar recruitment coordination committee (RCC) activities, according to an RCC member. Of those all 58 received offers, while from the rest of the batch two candidates opted to join non-governmental organisations (NGOs), seven choosing to litigate and three going for the civil service exams.
Six students in the batch came through a Bhutan government programme to study at Nalsar and did not participate in domestic recruitment.
The 2011 RCC consisted of students Ankit Kejriwal, Danish Sheikh, Harsh Kabra, Kanishka Mohan Singh Rathore, Kriti Das, Malak Bhatt, Rohan Singh, Swetali Mohapatra, Yash Bansal.
Last week the Nalsar RCC for the 2012 batch also hosted the first round of campus recruitment by law firms and received offers, following NLSIU Bangalore’s unprecedented April start.
Track record
Last year Nalsar placed around 95 per cent out of 47 final year students. Amarchand made 11 offers last year, followed by Luthra & Luthra with seven, while foreign firms Allen & Overy, Clifford Chance, Linklaters and SJ Berwin making offering one training contract each.
In that batch 35 per cent opted for domestic and international law firms – this year this has increased to just over 50 per cent. The number joining companies in-house has remained roughly the same at 20 per cent this year. The number going into litigation has decreased from 13 per cent to 9 per cent.
Nalsar Hyderabad 2011 batch recruitments
Law Firm | # of students (offers) | Offered pre-Sep 2010? |
Amarchand Mangaldas, Mumbai | 12 | Yes |
Khaitan & Co., Mumbai | 4 | Yes |
Bharucha & Partners, Mumbai | 2 | Yes |
Finsec Law Advisors, Mumbai | 2 | Yes |
Amarchand Mangaldas, Delhi | 1 | Yes |
Trilegal LLP, Delhi | 1 | Yes |
AZB & Partners, Bangalore | 1 | Yes |
Desai & Diwanji, Mumbai | 1 | Yes |
Majmudar & Co., Mumbai | 3 | |
Luthra & Luthra Law Offices, Delhi | 2 | |
AZB & Partners, Mumbai | 2 | |
J. Sagar Associates, Delhi/Gurgaon | 2 | |
Tatva Legal, Hyderabad | 2 | |
S&R Associates, Delhi/Mumbai (through PPO) | 1 | |
Luthra & Luthra Law Offices, Mumbai | 1 | |
Zeus Law Associates, Delhi | 1 | |
Total law firms: | 38 | |
Company | ||
Ernst & Young (Delhi, Hyderabad, Chennai) | 5 | Yes |
KSK Energy Ventures, Hyderabad | 3 | |
Hewlett Packard, Bangalore | 2 | |
GMR, Delhi | 2 | |
IFFCO-TOKIO General Insurance, Delhi | 2 | |
Bharat Petroleum, Mumbai | 1 | |
E.W.P.D.L, Indore | 1 | |
TOTAL IN-HOUSE | 16 | |
University | No. of Offers | |
Oxford University | 4 | |
Cambridge University | 2 | |
Harvard Law School | 1 | |
Yale Law School | 1 | |
New York University School of Law | 2 | |
University of California, Berkeley | 1 | |
Leeds University | 1 | |
TOTAL FOREIGN LLMs | 8 Students offered 12 | |
Foreign Law Firm (City) | No. of offers | |
Allen & Overy LLP | 1 | |
Linklaters LLP | 1 | |
Herbert Smith LLP | 1 | |
Cameron McKenna LLP | 1 | |
TOTAL FOREIGN FIRMS | 4 offers made to 3 students | |
NGO | 2 | |
Litigation per City | No. Of Students | |
Delhi | 4 | |
Chennai | 1 | |
Hyderabad | 1 | |
Pune | 1 | |
TOTAL: 7 students opted for litigation. | ||
Civil Service Exams | 3 |
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Amazing work RCC!!
NALSAR could not prove it better that it is indeed the best law school of the country.
2. If standards have fallen at yale and harvard, why aint students frm other law schools getting admission, are they so dumb that they cant get harvard or yale even when their standards have "fallen"? and @8, litigation means no job?? dude seriously?? The best lot of our college goes for litigation. Seriously dude, u are amusing me with ur ignorance now. And read about the company profiles of the companies and firms you were talking about, m sure u are too ignorant to know anything abt any of them.
The good news is that the current 4th yrs are also recruited. 29 students are already placed in just two days!!
PPl come to NALSAR and give urselves the best start....
Tatva paying 10! Anyway its definitely way better than 10 in Bombay!!
Fali Nariman, Ram Jethmalani, Harish Salve, Soli Sorabjee. All litigants. Greatest lawyers India has ever produced. They did not come from law firms.
Fali Nariman - Living legend of the law. He is not from Amarchand Mangaldas or Allen & Overy.
I think we should not trivialize NALSAR's success in recruitments by bringing up this issue here.
However since you have brought up the issue...
There has been a considerable amount of debate in various arenas about the increasing number of students entering corporate legal firms rather than legal counsels such as the legends you have named.
This is a valid concern, however we must understand that keeping economic concerns and a person's right to choose their profession and career path in mind; person's are free to opt for careers in the are of their choice, keeping in mind their financial independence and sustainability.
2. I never questioned a person's right to choose their profession and career path and I am all up for being allowed to opt for careers of choice.
3. I merely pointed out the fact that by giving so much importance to law firm and corporate jobs, we are undermining the real nature of the profession of a lawyer.
Secondly, placements, although one of the criteria, is not the sole one to judge how good a law school is.
Thirdly, the way litigation is being undermined. People tend to think that students who don't get a placed end up litigating. That is not true.
Also, I'm very much aware of the fact that litigation is probably not meant for all. There are some students amongst us who do not come from a strong economic background and have to make sure that their loans are paid off and hence start earning right after graduation.
Sorry for the typo.
i understand you are fighting the undermining of litigation, but there must be some way to do that without cheapening transactional work as well.
As regards not joining litigation, whoever brings that up is either the pampered son of a successful lawyer or has no idea what start ups in litigation have to face, loan or no loan. I've seen many ppl with plenty of idealism start off under senior advocates only to quit after a year when the lack of pay and direction started to bite. ridiculous how litigators earning lakhs (if not crores) a month pay freshers 2-10k a month. Many refuse to pay!! how long can you expect an independent lawyer to continue like this ? This is a scam no less perverse than the 2G scam and i blame all lawyers who further this shady practice in the name of 'nobility of profession' or similiar crap.
1. It is childish to enter debates regarding which law school is better than the other.
2. You have raised a "common knowledge" argument, which people generally make when there is more bitterness, and less calm observation and collection of data.
3. NALSAR has at least come out with its entire batch report and it is interesting to see where their graduating batch is heading soon.
4. Would be great to see other law schools report their recruitment, LLM and litigation figures.
Glad you understand my view point. Rest assured I understand you stance as well.
It is not really in a student's hand to change the "importance" that law aspirants, recruiters and media give to corporate placements. However, in reality a lot of law aspirants from non-legal backgrounds give great importance to this point.
Granted, that any law school is not unilaterally determined to be par excellence simply by its recruitment, however, it shows at least the response that "willing" recruiters have towards the institution and the standards it maintains in legal education.
I would in fact encourage more sole legal counsels to recruit from law colleges directly. But you see the issue is that they only consider a new associate when they have a vacancy, which more than likely does not coincide with a law school's recruitment.
You have made admirable arguments, which I also agreed with when I entered law school. But we do not live in an idealistic world where a person from a non-legal background has an equal chance to succeed in litigation than some one coming from a family of lawyers. We must understand their decision-making and their choice for opting out of litigation.
This in no way disrespects the profession or shows a lack of importance toward litigation. On the contrary, it shows an inability due to a lack of economic sustenance in the field.
In fact, the Bar Council of India should concentrate more on making the field of litigation more economically viable for a student who pays huge law school fees (sometimes on high interest loans).
In the meantime, let us appreciate the peaks than NALSAR's batch has scaled this year.
Well Done,,,!!!
All this recruitment scene at NALSAR...well i happened to intern with one of the current fifth years from NALSAR called [...]...i kid you not, he had zero knowledge of law. If their RCC could get him placed with some firm in Mumbai then kudos to them.
Update yourself kid!
Who puked on me last night?
Lets wait for the NLS recruitment report. We shall see.
Oh and btw, the NALSAR RCC is a responsible body which has to release the official results. I didnt know at NLS you dont trust what your RCC says and so feel that the RCC's syaings are arbitrary.
Shows a lot of your excellence. Feel sorry for you
Keep up your good work.
I'm [...] and i hate this NALSAR RCC. They didn't publish the fact that i got recruited with Harpic India Ltd.
Kian pls take note.
Please elaborate.
Remember How I outranked you in [...] School, [...].
So please dont be so caustic about not getting through NALSAR
NALSAR has been doing India proud.
Great going!!
1. Every university anywhere in the world would have some students who cant be placed so the best way to eliminate these would be to say that they didnt take part in the recruitment, this takes away a major portion of the recruitment committees headache. No one except for the recruitment committee knows how many have sat for recruitment so it is the easiest data to fudge.
2. Another way to reinforce the image of 100% recruitment is to quote number of offers rather than number of people who got those offers. Usually the top 30% of the class get around 50% of the total offers so recruitment committees draft the release in such a manner which says only the number of offers.
3. Then there are the space fillers like LLM and litigation. While 10% of this lot is really interested in further studies or litigation the majority had no other 'option'.
4. The final trick is NGO and LPO combine which should mop up any remaining laggards.
There were many other tricks as well but I remember only these few, use them and your uni would have 100% recruitment every year at least on paper :P
I DO NOT IMPUGNE THAT ANY RECRUITMENT COMMITTEE HAS EVER USED THE METHODS DESCRIBED ABOVE (this is what happens when you draft wiggle clauses in contracts for 2 yrs)
1. The post clearly tells you how many people got how many offers. It says 3 people with 4 offers for foreign placements. The ones giving their expert knowledge on fudging figures at least care to read post before jumping to conclusions.
2. The figures have been made public because I am sure they are confident enough that any kind of cross check will yield the same result. Why don't you do so? Get in touch with some of them and get the figures. I am sure they are very nice people and would be willing to share the data of people.
3. People crying foul over Zeus need to know that the Managing Partner's son joining the firm isn't exactly him going places just because he doesn't have any option.
4. It is very much possible to place all the people sitting for placements. They went the extra mile and got it done. Why can't we for once appreciate the fact that some people worked hard for their batch-mates in one law school and ensured jobs for them.
5. Yes, it is true that you cannot give everyone a job. But well maybe you could give them not so lucrative jobs. They did not compromise on the standards by calling LPOs rather they went for a corporate, lesser known maybe, but which pays a good 5 in the pocket. Also at least check out the profiles of KSK et. al before commenting. An LSE listed company isn't exactly 'shit'.
6. The best of the batch are going for litigation. When we all cry about how the Madhava Menon model has been a failure why not appreciate some people who have taken the plunge. The city wise figures are given, I am sure, because they want to be transparent with it. Also there are some surely joining their family practices. Some were indeed working with NGOs like WWF and all which they decided to join.
7. These people are not so blatant to publish such lies unless they actually have some figures backing them up. Do your research. Get in touch with them. They have indeed done a marvelous job.
Why don't we congratulate them and see where we can all learn and better the prospects of our entire NLU student fraternity?
You are wrong. Consider yourself corrected.
The main assertion is 58 students of class of 79 participated in recruitment all 58 got placed.
So 21 students did not participate in recruitment process the article tries to give a breakup of these non-participants -> 6 from Bhutan + 2 NGO + 8 LLM (12 offers) + 3 UPSC + 7 Lit = 26
Thus for 21 students there were min 26 non recruitment options
Now for 58 students who got recruited (data from table) -> 38 law firm + 16 inhouse + 4 international = 58 offers
Thus for 58 students there are 58 offers so 100% recruitment, but hold on as someone pointed out 4 international offer went to 3 students, so the 58 offers were for maximum of 57 students, so theoretically min one student is left without a job.
Looking forward to clarifications from RCC. Also if you compare the table from PPO at www.legallyindia.com/201009171314/Law-schools/nearly-half-of-nalsar-finalists-find-law-firm-homes-amarchand-tops-campus-recruitment you would find that there are some confusions as to the offers from luthra - are they PPOs or normal recruitment?
telegraphindia.com/1110417/jsp/bihar/story_13862426.jsp
CNLU recruitment brochure
www.cnlu.ac.in/pdf/Placement-2011.pdf
Believe me this is a reality...not a big issue to achieve 100%.
I m sure other law schools would like to take some kind of feedback from NALSAR's brilliant RCC.
U guys wont believe nalsar rcc is completely an autonomous and independent body in which no member of the college administration takes part. Only these 9 elected ppl work...money is also contributed from the students...college does not give a single penny
May be you can have some pyaaz paratha
And what happened to my stolen cigarettes?
Great job! Ever considered being an accountant or a private investigator?
We will update as soon as they are.
Best regards
Kian
ps: i can smell sth burning :P
LEAVING COUPLE OF LAW FIRMS
THE SALARY PACKAGE OFFERED IS ABYSMAL... AROUND FEW LAKHS ONLY (SAME AS AMITY)
WHEREAS NUJS IS YET TO COMPLETE HIS RECRUITMENT SEASON
THEN ONE CAN COMPARE THE QUALITY OF PLACEMENTS
DON'T COUNT ON QUANTITY
I understand free speech, but there are reasonable restrictions - and especially on a "responsible" web-site like this one, I would hope that persons keep a civil tongue and at least be courteous to each other (including law school wars waged here).
If you must publish, do so after heavy scrutiny to ensure comments, which do not add anything to the discussion and merely irritate people, are not published.
Also, i'm from NALSAR and i personally don't have an issue with anyone from any law school alleging random stuff. As a responsible student community we are always open to transparency and anyone who thinks that these figures are fudged or too good to be true can call up our administration and verify. Envy and jealosy often makes a man ill and unhealthy, surely something we Nalsarians would never want.
The report has come from the RCC and verified and aunthenticated by the University. Further scrutiny is always welcomed, we are all for transparency.
I guess that should put the debate to rest. The fact of the matter remains, we have students placed. We have a report published. We got students placed without calling a single LPO (unlike NUJS, which is not a bad practice to clear the lot). I hope that other law schools take a cue from this performance and get back to placing their own students.
NALSAR rests its case. Peace.
Just wait for the statistics to come.
I just don understand why NALSAR-[ites] make LPO an issuefor NUJS when only two( read it 2 out of some 95) opted for it. Another excuse, haa?
I will ask my RCC to give LI the highest and the lowest packages offered to NALSAR students this yr..
Unofficially i can tell u: AVERAGE - above 10 lakhs
Highest - above 15 lakhs
Lowest - Above 5 lakhs (only 2-4 ppl)
I guess no other law school in India can beat this record this yr at least
If NUJS CRC wants we can give them their contact details and then u guys can carry on..
We shldnt fight...NUJS CRC pls come in contact with any of the RCC members at NALSAR...we want all of u to be placed...
we at nalsar know*
Where is my pyaaz bhajji?
And who puked on my cooler?
Also, i need more money for night outs.
For now, we proceed on the basis that it is accurate, having spoken to someone at the RCC at length and having no reason to doubt them.
And in particular since it would be quite hard to keep something like this hidden for very long and it would reflect very badly on the college in the long term if it was found out.
We will keep you posted.
Best wishes,
Kian
First Runner-Up: Nalsar University of Law (India)
Second Runner-Up: Osgoode Hall Law School (Canada)
Best Victims' Representative Team: Nalsar University of Law (India)
Best Defense Representatives Team: National School of Law, University of India Bangalore (India)
Best Vicitms' Legal Representative: Susan Forder, Bond University (Australia)
Best Prosecution Team: Bond University (Australia)
Best Trial Lawyer: Andrew Trotter, Queensland University of Technology (Australia)
Best Defence Counsel: Anjaneya Das, Nalsar university of Law (India)
Best Non-Native English Speaking Team: University of Hong Kong
Best Memorial: National School of Law, University of India Bangalore (India)
Best Overall Speaker: Anjaneya Das, Nalsar University of Law (India)
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Go Nalsarrrrrrrr!
THIS IS THE RCC FROM NALSAR BATCH OF 2011. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND VERIFY THESE FIGURES WITH ALL THE LAW FIRMS YOU WANT. SINCE, YOU DOUBT THE FACT THAT THESE FIGURES ARE TRUE EVEN AFTER TALKING TO US, THEN CAN YOU PLEASE ASSURE US THAT IF AFTER THE VERIFICATION PROCESS, ALL THE FIGURES ARE CORRECT, YOU WOULD ISSUE A PUBLIC APOLOGY ON YOUR WEBPAGE. WE ARE SURE THAT AN ORGANIZATION AS VIRTUOUS AND MORALLY CORRECT AS YOUR'S WOULD NOT HAVE AN ISSUE DOING IT AFTER GETTING TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
REGARDS,
RCC.
Please read my comment @99 which stated that I am "having no reason to doubt" the RCC.
What we will do is cross-check all colleges' figures with the law firms at the end of the recruitment season for the sake of transparency and to appease the doubters.
We are not singling out Nalsar's RCC, which as I said I am "having no reason to doubt".
Best wishes,
Kian
NALSAR is visibly feeling insecure by NUJS's growth.
The fact is that NALSAR's placement is very bad this year. Except for Amarchand no top firms viz Luthra, AZB, Trilegal, Khaitan have picked students from NALSAR.
On the other hand these firms have picked lots and lots of NUJS students.
And Mr. 78? You are shit scared, right? Bad NALSAR placements...out in an open forum! You have security issues mate!
I am from NUJS (first year) and missed NALSAR by a few marks in CLAT. I really want to get out of this place, i have been to NALSAR and the standards over there are far better than what we have at NUJS. All this recruitment talk, to be very honest, i know how bad the recruitments at NUJS have been which is why they haven't even come out with the report.
I second 108. I frankly don't understand what all the hooha is about.
Some of us were undoubtedly unfit for anything so we opted for that oh so easy life of litigation.
Some of us just happened to have ivy league llm's dropped on to our laps.
The rest of us got the cream of transactional jobs by fluke.
None of this had anything to do with the moots, the research papers, the summer schools, high level policy work and (at the least) twelve odd internships that most of us have done, Nothing at all.
Life's good.
Its no wonder the rest of the world is getting so flustered. Yes indeed, we at Nalsar had a ball for five years and we're having a ball now.
What incredible luck.
U seem to be the only guy who is so unlucky .... for not getting nalsar
Cheer up... dude wasting time on LI won't help...
Try doing any of these things u hv mentioned in your
post
you may really find a job for yourself
:-)
@107 - Just wait for the report, I wander where were you all people in the last post which mentioned the NLS 2012 placements. Peace, let other law schools complete their placement season, then picture would be clear.
We will keep following up,
Kian
But since we are in this together, should we not celebrate the fact that somehow each individual RCC/CRC/insert-other-name has done exceedingly well to ensure placement figures well above the global average? Spare a thought for students from CNLU, etc. who have had difficulties placing their top students who have diligently passed their exams only to be denied on the basis of the name of the college they happen to be attached to, irrespective of the the merit of their individual students?
I thought formal education was all about broadening your mind. Please don't prove the ancients wrong :-)
@102 - It is true NLIU placements have been pathetic this year. After the initial 22-23 placed, no firm visited the NLIU campus. In fact only 1 organisation BPCL visited the NLIU campus and offered 2-3 students jobs. The only "firms" to "visit" NLIU are Khaitan. Sorry to use plural firm"s". Lakshmi Kumaran & Sridharan recruited via phone interviews and same with Trilegal and AMSS. The figures were not impressive too with each firm taking 2-4 students and khaitan taking 5. Other offers to NLIU students have been from ICICI and Pangea 3. The total number of students placed so far is around 30 out of 58-60 who sat for placements. As I mentioned earlier no big recruiter has visited NLIU after their early August days so obviously there are effectively 30 without jobs (50% of the batch). Also the 30 placed includes PPO's or students who got jobs by themselves.
NLIU students are unaware of other small or mid-tier firms doing well and do not call them. All their students know about is AMSS, Trilegal, ICICI and Khaitan. They do not know about Luthra because Luthra declines to go to NLIU every year. If you happen to mention any other smaller or mid-tier firm which are good in particular area the make faces like a dumb chimp whos unaware of anything (I have a feeling the whole of NLIU assume they would make it to AMSS, but what would you do if you do not make it? sit and scratch your body?). All the other good colleges like NALSAR, NLUJ and NUJS even invite firms like Tatva, bharucha, Zeus, M. dhruva etc. Im sure around 10 students in NLIU have heard of a firm like Tatva.
Also NLIU dreams of bulk placements. I'm sure they would be happy with one firm picking up 60 students that they would not have to work again. They would also be happy with the fact that their "top-tier" students got placed.
I think it is high time the NLIU PCC wakes up to the hard reality instead of sleeping after placing 30 students (well 25 to be specific). Are you gonna cover up saying 50-60 students joined litigation or you won't come out with your report at all. Nevertheless NLIU placements will remain at the same number considering they have 1-2 weeks left of this academic year and I'm sure no firm is visiting your campus during your exams.
So is NLIU happy with their 30 students placed?
Why wasn't any effort made to call up the smaller or mid-tier firms and may be pressurise them to pay more?
If they did invite them why did those firms/companies not turn up to a top 5 national law school of India?
Why does Luthra not visit the NLIU campus? Is the ego at Luthra sky High or of NLIU?
Does the role of your PCC end at placing the top end of your batch?
Do they bother about 30 still left without jobs?
Why doesn't any firm pick up students from NLIU in bulk? Can't NLIU demand that?
Khaitan, Luthra, trilegal, AMSS have this year gone up to recruit 10-17 students from one college. Why did any of these firms not pick such numbers from NLIU? Is the quality that low?
AMSS even recruited 12 from GNLU. Is the quality at GNLU better? or you NLIU do not want to mend your ways?
I guess the answers to some questions can only be given by the PCC of NLIU and certain other firms. I know that my facts are clear unless anyone got recruited recently which will not be through the college but personal efforts.
Now you wait for the NLS 5th Year Placement report to be out.
Ohh, I also forgot to mention, it is really amusing that NLIU had around 8 recruiters this year which placed their 25 students whih includes only 4 which visited the campus i.e. Khaitan, ICICI, Pangea 3 and BPCL followed by no other organisation.I think the battle still exists between NLS-NALSAR-NUJS. Even NLUJ is out of the running with around 10-15 yet to get jobs.
I'll end by mentioning a truth:- NLS is better than NALSAR.
100% placements is not impossible, I think most of the skeptics think it is and since it's not happening in other colleges (or at least has not happened yet) are doubting the veracity of these reports.
Instead the RCC should be congratulated for their tireless dedication to recruitment at NALSAR. Maybe other law schools can take a leaf out of their book.
These are the kind of people litigating from Nalsar. The litigation figures do not mean people who did not land a job but people who take a bold decision to join the courts.
Congratulations Abhishek Chopra.
Can you provide the salaries paid by consultancy firms like E&Y who have recruited from Nalsar?
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