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Shardul Amarchand imposes 3-month salary clawback on lawyers who leave this financial year

A possible retention strategy...A possible retention strategy...

Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas (SAM) has instituted a novel HR policy: fee-earners who leave the firm within the next seven months will have to repay the firm three months’ of their retainer fees.

The changes were rolled out today (5 September) across the firm’s offices, communicated together with the individual pay hikes for the period from 1 September 2018 to 31 March 2019.

However, according to the agreements circulated to the fee-earners, including salaried partners, the “enhancement in retainership fees is conditional upon completion of a minimum of 7 months as a retainer with the Firm from September 1, 2018, failing which, three months retainer fee will be payable to the Firm within 30 days of resignation or on the agreed last working date”.

Let’s rephrase that in case it’s not clear: SAM fee-earners get a pay-hike, but if they leave before 1 April 2019, they have to pay SAM back three months’ of their pay.

We have reached out to SAM for comment on the reasoning behind this move.

Presumably, it is aimed at retaining lawyers by hitting their wallets if they move.

And sure, on the one hand, unofficially, quite a few big firms have been known to cause difficulties for leavers trying to collect promised bonuses or their last few months’ pay (so much so, that many departing partners give up on seeing such monies after a while; many others often simply pretend they are not joining a competing firm until their dues settled).

However, putting such policies down in writing could end up not even being legally enforceable. It’s also not likely to do wonders for morale or actually stop a lawyer who is determined to leave (even if it might raise the cost of doing so).

Update 6 September, 16:25: Citing unnamed “sources”, Bar & Bench has reported that SAM’s “huge [...] increments range between 20% and 75%", adding: “Sources within the firm say that SAM has introduced these changes with the intention of becoming a market leader in remuneration. They already have market-leading variable pay incentives, where Associates and Partners can earn up to 200% of their variable component. This has been in place for the last 3 years.”

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Like +74 Object -8 kia 06 Sep 18, 01:10 LI subscriber  interesting  top rated  controversial
SLOW CLAP !!! ... its high time that people should be treated with more or at least some respect and not treated like garbage as in this case. Lawyers are being treated as slaves.
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Like +47 Object -0 #LifeSahiHai 06 Sep 18, 13:33  interesting  top rated
There remains no question of respect after this. People who left earlier are LUCKY. !!
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Like +15 Object -35 Mx. X 06 Sep 18, 16:07  controversial
Comparing lawyers who earn lakhs to slaves.. SLOW CLAP!
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Like +16 Object -5 Mr Y 06 Sep 18, 17:14  interesting  controversial
even after earning lakhs, they have no freedom.
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Like +11 Object -4 Mx. X 06 Sep 18, 20:36  interesting
Then quit! What bigger freedom is there?
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Like +11 Object -14 Xhaslostit 06 Sep 18, 20:25  controversial
Sorry we earn lakhs. People who litigate either are good at it, in which case they will anyway make much more soon enough. Or you litigate because you just didn't cut the mustard and therefore stuck with little hope of making these lakhs.

Same stories for people in in-house or mid tier law firms. If they are good enough they will also equalise, and presumably have enough sense. The others will cry about sour grapes.

Fact is this is retrograde, and in a sense novel. Because it will also start a trend of other law firms trying to copy it
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Like +16 Object -9 Mx. X 06 Sep 18, 21:44  interesting  controversial
I don't have any axes to grind. My point, which I think is quite obvious, is that people who earn lakhs cannot be compared to slaves. As somebody has written somewhere, 'There are slaves. There are employees. There is a difference.'

If you think the policy is retrograde, which it probably is, then quit. Stop complaining on LegallyIndia.
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Like +6 Object -3 Sac 07 Sep 18, 11:15
So your point is that if I pay you enough, I can impose any shitty policy I feel like imposing on you?

A step removed from if a government delivers 10% economic growth, they can suspend your fundamental rights
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Like +4 Object -1 Guest 08 Sep 18, 19:34
Yes, that is exactly my point. I will impose shitty policy. Don't like my policy? Quit. Afraid to quit? Complain here.

And your comparison is illogical to say the least. A million steps removed in fact. Nobody's fundamental rights are suspended. Govt. delivering 10% economic growth is the firm meeting its targets. Govt. paying its employees is what we are talking about here. But I understand your confusion given that you work in a firm.
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Like +1 Object -0 Mr. Z 07 Sep 18, 14:56
There is no issue to quit. But putting such a onerous condition after you join the organisation is fair. This would imoact the iimage of the firm, which anyways is not there anymore in the market.
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Like +7 Object -0 Mx. X 08 Sep 18, 19:45  interesting
I agree. It appears to be a stupid policy.

But No tickee no laundry. If somebody wants to work in SAM and get paid lakhs then they have to agree to their conditions. It is the self-righteous indignation that I can't stand.
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Like +9 Object -72 TheInsider 06 Sep 18, 16:09  troll?  controversial
This is much ado about nothing. The pay hikes and bonuses are generous so what's the big deal about forfeiting 3 months salary? The average principal associate here earns 1 crore including bonus and salaried partners are in the range of 1 to 3 crores. Senior associates make at least 75 lakhs. When they go to another firm they will just negotiate extra three months pay. Ho gayi na baat khatam?
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Like +11 Object -1 Eagleeyed 06 Sep 18, 16:49  interesting
Very little of the increments that screams generosity.

Targets have already ecplipsed them. And then there is the loading into the multi layered bonus.
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Like +37 Object -2 gram 06 Sep 18, 17:16  interesting  top rated
Which world are you living in. A starting partner hardly makes 60 lakhs and PAs make 40. you must be from admin. what a lie !!
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Like +28 Object -1 SAMmie 06 Sep 18, 17:39  interesting  top rated
1 cr! 75 lac! Bhai kyu depression de rae ho? Bhot kaam hai aaj.
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Like +13 Object -0 51*&_5 06 Sep 18, 23:27  interesting  top rated
I am a PA at Samco and can assure you that the numbers posted above are a work of fiction and have absolutely not even an iota of reality. PAs used to get between 40-60 (+/-5 for lateral hires). Will update you once I get my letter.
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Like +7 Object -1 Naysayer 06 Sep 18, 18:21  interesting
Who paid you ? Jamairaja ?
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Like +13 Object -1 Randeshx 06 Sep 18, 19:52  interesting  top rated
Bjp waalo ki tarah fek mat. Feku
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Like +7 Object -1 Augustine 06 Sep 18, 20:56  interesting
What are you smoking mate. I would like you to name one person in these bands that makes these numbers. I would tell you that near every band, despite the hike, will at the end of the year (which has its own complexity) make about 20-40 percent less. In hand after bonus, and after the complex hijanks of the increment they will make another 20-40 percent lesser agan for the year.

So in short you are (ballpark) off by about a mile.
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Like +5 Object -0 SAM insider 06 Sep 18, 22:32  interesting
Hahha - which world u live in - which PA earns 1 crore here???
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Like +18 Object -1 zuma 06 Sep 18, 16:54  interesting  top rated
Nowhere in the world lawyers are treated this badly. What loyalty can you expect when the management is taking such absurd decisions. Many people have given so many years to the firm and this how the loyalty is being repaid by holding them back. It is such a stupid move, no firm puts such things on paper and there is a reason for that, it brings bad reputation.
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Like +21 Object -0 Respect 06 Sep 18, 17:01  interesting  top rated
LeaveForRespect. ResignForRespect
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Like +9 Object -0 Sakil 06 Sep 18, 22:52  interesting
Sam should shut down.
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Like +48 Object -2 Ground Floor - SA 06 Sep 18, 03:48  interesting  top rated
Waiting to see if someone has the BALLS to challenge this in court for being restrictive and violative of S17 of the Contract Act. My guesses - NOBODY
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Like +36 Object -1 SAM-ki-Jai 06 Sep 18, 13:17  interesting  top rated
Hope this doesn't become the industry practice going forward. It's a cheap stunt which has not really been thought through and may backfire.
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Like +22 Object -0 Basement 06 Sep 18, 13:38  interesting  top rated
You meant Section 27.
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Like +62 Object -1 Jaane do 06 Sep 18, 14:07  interesting  top rated
SAM lawyer hi hoga. 17 or 27 - just write some crap so that someone else corrects.
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Like +5 Object -0 Loving this 06 Sep 18, 19:40  interesting
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Like +21 Object -0 Yaar - Section 17 nahi 06 Sep 18, 13:43  interesting  top rated
Section 27. Also don't think this as clear a case of unenforceablity as with employment "bonds". At the end of the day, all of these guys are independent contractors / consultants - and all SAM is doing is adding penalty payment for terminating contracts within a certain period.

It's ethically a piece of shit move. But legally - may not be as black and white unlawful / voidable as one would think.
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Like +14 Object -1 Blah Blah 06 Sep 18, 15:31  interesting  top rated
Isn't penalty unenforceable as a matter of Indian law? It certainly is, in most common law jurisdictions. It would also be considered anti-competitive in most common law jurisdictions. If they are claiming damages, they would have to quantify and prove their loss. Clearly, SAM senior lawyers are not very bright. What next, start using slaves in their farms? Tattoo SAM on their lawyers? Such a shitty idea, SAM, you have shown your true colours. But let's not let in colonial and imperialist foreign law firms!
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Like +8 Object -2 Liquidated Damages 06 Sep 18, 15:55  interesting
If it is structured as an LD clause. And 3 months retainer is the agreed LD, i dont see any reason why a court would not enforce it.
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Like +1 Object -1 Name and Alias 07 Sep 18, 12:38
There are cases that say that even in the case of LD, you have to prove loss. Further, it can be challenged on the ground unreasonable and penal in nature offending against S. 74.
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Like +0 Object -0 Guest 08 Sep 18, 00:59
Kailash nath vs. DDA - SC

to start with.
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Like +0 Object -0 Litigator 07 Sep 18, 13:19
It will not be enforced because every agreement by which any one is restrained from exercising a lawful profession, trade or business of any kind, is to that extent void.
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Like +1 Object -0 visavis 06 Sep 18, 16:59
even in a retainer-ship agreement?
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Like +1 Object -5 Bonded Labourer 06 Sep 18, 23:10
Straight file a writ petition under Article 21 and 19(1)(g) for being violative of fundamental rights by imposing direct restriction on a profession and freedom of life
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Like +17 Object -0 Hello 07 Sep 18, 04:29  interesting  top rated
WP against a firm?? Art 21 violation!!...dude where do you work? What did you learn in law school??
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Like +18 Object -0 Uff 07 Sep 18, 11:20  interesting  top rated
Next you'll say, let's approach the ICJ!! Dude, SAM is not State - though it is in a really bad state.
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Like +10 Object -0 Cosmo 07 Sep 18, 09:50  interesting


SAM convincing it’s lawyers to sign because it’s unenforceable.
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Like +1 Object -0 Newman 07 Sep 18, 21:38
On which side of the bars is the SAM partner? Guess karo mitron.
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Like +0 Object -0 Yoyoma 07 Sep 18, 23:18
The question is which side of the cage one wants to be.
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Like +15 Object -2 Slave os SAM Co 06 Sep 18, 13:45  interesting  top rated
Because no one is a lawyer here.. all are slaves
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Like +0 Object -0 ucantseeme 06 Sep 18, 14:34
Your guess would be correct
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Like +0 Object -0 Litigator 07 Sep 18, 13:16
Leave and let them sue. Any firm will have a tough time litigating against their lawyers.
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Like +21 Object -0 Tried Legal 06 Sep 18, 06:35  interesting  top rated
Wow ... talk about draconian desperation ...New low.... wonder what the new agreements say? Hope the lawyers see some sense and refuse to sign them.
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Like +18 Object -0 Wtf 06 Sep 18, 09:19  interesting  top rated
Such a backward step! Instead of incentivising lawyers to stay, they are penalizing them to force them to stay...
If just 10 associates refuse to sign they will take this back...
#bachgayebhaiya
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Like +38 Object -3 Dire Straits 06 Sep 18, 09:31  interesting  top rated
What is Jamai Raja smoking? Rumour is they have lost nearly 150 people across offices in the past few months and this is the brahmastra that is going to prevent further exodus. Why give a grudging pay hike with such onerous terms? I hope the associates ask them to stick it up [].
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Like +16 Object -2 Name and Alias 06 Sep 18, 10:45  interesting  top rated
This won't stop anyone who wants to really leave and will deter people from joining. Also, what about the next years?
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Like +35 Object -0 Haha 06 Sep 18, 13:12 LI subscriber  interesting  top rated
Mass exodus on 1/4/19 guys!
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Like +27 Object -1 SAM-ki-Jai 06 Sep 18, 13:31  interesting  top rated
You assume that the salary claw back will not be a part of your bonus letter. They will split the bonus payout and pull the same stunt in march 2019.
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Like +7 Object -1 Rotandsensei 06 Sep 18, 20:28  interesting
You can bet your last dollar that is on the cards.

Oh and romour has it that the last bonus payout will be quite some distance from March, so they will anyway have that hanging over you
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Like +8 Object -0 kela 06 Sep 18, 16:55  interesting
Lets go..high time to leave
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Like +72 Object -0 Hum saath saath hai 06 Sep 18, 13:03  interesting  top rated
Mumma bear comes up with an idea,
Papa bear looks for the right “mahoorat” to implement the idea,
Jamai Raja tweets about the idea,
Beti bear follows the family around purposeless.
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Like +15 Object -0 SecondfloorPA 06 Sep 18, 13:24  interesting  top rated
They should rather treat their 'resources' in a better manner than having such absurd clauses. Who does this kind of stupidity.
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Like +7 Object -0 Naysayer 06 Sep 18, 19:23  interesting
Jamairaja
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Like +16 Object -0 Sad sad 06 Sep 18, 13:25  interesting  top rated
This is truly shocking. The hike is really notional since no one will ever make their targets. So no bonus given the “eat what you kill” policy. In addition, this onerous condition will only make matters worse.
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Like +12 Object -1 ro 06 Sep 18, 13:46  interesting
All these policies are one sided and are made without considering the interest of the lawyers working for them. Firm is the Führer and everyone should follow with no questions asked. Really sad state of affairs. I feel bad for my friends working there.
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Like +10 Object -1 geek142 06 Sep 18, 13:25  interesting
Highly discouraging for the budding lawyers.Shame.
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Like +21 Object -0 Babyboon 06 Sep 18, 13:27  interesting  top rated
Lots of talk and tremble on our floor. People may leave early now since salary is now given as loan with assured return clause to the firm.
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Like +15 Object -1 Saleemchikna 06 Sep 18, 13:28  interesting  top rated
WoW !! time to steal candy from the kids ! associates should jump the ship right now....
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Like +35 Object -1 Gaitonde to SAM Associ 06 Sep 18, 13:36  interesting  top rated
Tu bas kaam kar, jaan main khud le lega
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Like +10 Object -3 insider 06 Sep 18, 13:36  interesting
The china wall concept may work very well now since the firm may sue its own associates by using its own teams..!. Partners may now have to heckle their own resources to get their 3 months salaries on leaving. ghor kalyug!
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Like +19 Object -0 Alias 06 Sep 18, 13:41  interesting  top rated
this kind of policy is unheard of, law firms abroad do not even follow such policies. Internationally, this practice is unheard of. It is a very regressive approach and should be deprecated.
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Like +19 Object -2 SahiBaatHai 06 Sep 18, 14:08  interesting  top rated
Shows the level of insecurity of the firm management. Its shocking to say the least.

TIME FOR MASS EXODUS. Lets get out !!
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Like +27 Object -0 SAM-ki-Jai 06 Sep 18, 14:18  interesting  top rated
#SayNoToTimesheets

Don't fill your timesheets as a sign of protest!
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Like +12 Object -1 Rotandsensei 06 Sep 18, 20:30  interesting
Haha. All that will mean is you get less in your account thanks to the timesheet penalty ;)
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Like +18 Object -0 Second floor 06 Sep 18, 13:44  interesting  top rated
This is the cheap stunt clearly exposing the level of insecurity management has...

Instead of doing such acts, have the guts to see what is going wrong and y r people dissatisfied and improve things that have gone wrong.

This family thinks they have bought everyone by throwing money to them without realising that without these retainers there will be no money.. money is paid because they earn it for u..
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Like +63 Object -0 SAM-wali 06 Sep 18, 13:46  interesting  top rated
Fellow law firm peoples can we please start using glass door regularly? We will never have any visibility on pay unless we use an anonymous aggregator like glassdoor. All I heard this time was I am at par with my peers at other firms and I have little to no way of figuring it out.
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Like +16 Object -0 SAM insider 06 Sep 18, 13:49  interesting  top rated
This is purely equity partner greed! Professionals are being treated as bonded labourers!
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Like +14 Object -1 610-4 06 Sep 18, 13:49  interesting  top rated
Ridiculous move by SAM. They perhaps could have come up with some other novel idea... ...like paying bonus in the month of June/July instead of March end! That would automatically ensure fee-earners stick around for a few more months.
This 'repaying salary' thing is a bad HR policy.
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Like +4 Object -0 Augustine 06 Sep 18, 23:34
You think they don’t do that already??
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Like +13 Object -1 terrace 06 Sep 18, 13:53  interesting  top rated
Its a bizarre move and unexpected from a firm of such repute. People make firms not the infrastructure. The high headiness has blinded them completely.
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Like +42 Object -0 Well! 06 Sep 18, 13:57  interesting  top rated
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Like +16 Object -3 justice12 06 Sep 18, 13:59  interesting  top rated
Its a slap on the faces of meritorious and hard working people who are being stopped from exploring opportunities. Its not fair since everyone has a right to leave with a reasonable notice period. Its not worth staying anymore since only 'chamchas' can accept this kind of policy, any person with some self respect and merit should leave.
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Like +10 Object -0 SuchIsLife 06 Sep 18, 14:12  interesting
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Like +7 Object -1 Baba1 06 Sep 18, 17:59  interesting
Majboori bhi hoti aur phir latt laga jati hai paise ke
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Like +27 Object -2 Devdas 06 Sep 18, 14:03  interesting  top rated
Why just the claw back, talk about arrears not being paid fully for the period of April to August, how can the same financial year have two different increment rates. Kian please be seized of this matter and on our behalf say, "Lawyers want to know" how are the said firm's policies equitable, morally correct or legally enforceable.

5/09/2018 - A Black Day in independent India's law firm history.
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Like +13 Object -2 conquest 06 Sep 18, 14:03  interesting
Which other big firms have been "unofficially" known to cause difficulties for leavers trying to collect their monies ?? Let's name & shame them.
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Like +13 Object -1 kianganz 06 Sep 18, 14:39 LI subscriber  interesting  top rated
Anecdotally, having spoken to a lot of leaving partners in my time, out of the top 20, probably the majority, except for maybe firms like JSA or Trilegal, maybe AZB? And even if the firms don't actually end up causing such problems, many leaving partners fear such problems, which is why lots will say they are 'considering options' rather than joining a rival, until the money is in the bank.
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Like +16 Object -0 Leftie 06 Sep 18, 16:06  interesting  top rated
Luthra has a previous year bonus clawback clause in it's retainer contracts which they have used to threaten a couple of times. Nisith Desai doesn't pay it's fresher's bonus (which continues to accrue) till the completion of three years. If you leave before that, it's forfeit.

The law firm managing partner crowd in India is the most blinkered and self indulgent bunch of lawyers ever. Spend your time in law firms inly till it satisfies your needs.
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Like +7 Object -2 Gyanchand 06 Sep 18, 16:28  interesting
Kian, bonus is given to the departing partner only if he/she is going in house and that too to some entity which is or would be a big source of potential business. Otherwise, leaving decisions are taken after factoring that bonus is as good as forfeited. Left two organizations,as partner and never got any bonus. AZB, has the gardening leave policy. The result financially would be the same. JSA has fair play built in their genes. They are a different ball game.
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Like +1 Object -1 kianganz 06 Sep 18, 16:37 LI subscriber
Didn't know it was so deliberate - for which firm is that? (re bonus given only if going in-house)
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Like +1 Object -1 Lotankabutar 07 Sep 18, 13:21
Link Legal is the worst of the lot. It does not even pay the committed fixed fees for notice period, leave aside variable pay, bonus, arrears or committed increments if you want to leave ... That is why they have lost more than half of their partners in last 2 years.
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Like +9 Object -1 SuperLawywr 06 Sep 18, 14:04  interesting
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Like +11 Object -1 Guest 06 Sep 18, 14:05  interesting
I think SAM should learn from L&L which had tried similar stunts few years back. They do not have any bond now. I would say leave SAM and join L&L. Clearly L&L is making positive changes and SAM is going down.
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Like +32 Object -4 Tier1 06 Sep 18, 15:13  interesting  top rated
L&L wale chup hi rahe toh theek hai !!
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Like +3 Object -1 L&L 07 Sep 18, 00:52
Positive changes like changing their logo :)
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Like +4 Object -1 L&L Partners 07 Sep 18, 09:37
Wow, managed to bash L&L partners here also :)
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Like +8 Object -1 associateinrage 06 Sep 18, 14:09  interesting
Its shocking !! people cant plan their exit now, firm will tell them when to leave or not. Management cant dictate everything. Fools are the ones who let this happen to themselves.
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Like +8 Object -0 Captions 06 Sep 18, 20:37  interesting
You do know that bonus didn't get paid earlier also, if you quit. This three months salary is big, but bear in mind upwards of 70 percent bonus was due post march. 100 if you aren't an SA.

It was a lot of money earlier also. It was just not so obvious
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Like +10 Object -2 Alia 06 Sep 18, 14:12  interesting
But the reality is: Who's going to challenge this? Would you personally risk your finances, reputation and mental well-being to challenge an organization with seemingly endless resources?
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Like +23 Object -0 Ex-SAM 06 Sep 18, 14:19  interesting  top rated
Well this proves that SAM & Co. is the worst place to work. Great going guys. I would recommend that people leave immediately. Treat your Amarchand experience like a bad dream.
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Like +7 Object -1 ex ex sam 06 Sep 18, 20:40  interesting
it was always the worst place to work
alteast luthra has a rajveen luthra who has a good heart despite other troublemakers
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Like +0 Object -0 Clarity 07 Sep 18, 13:09
*shardul amarchand experience
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Like +20 Object -24 Between the lines 06 Sep 18, 14:21  controversial
Kids - read between the lines. If a SAM lawyer resigns, where does he/she invariably go? In all probability to CAM or another law firm. Hence, going forward, when a SAM lawyer is thinking of jumping ship and interviewing with another law firm, all he/she needs to do is to include the 3 months buy-out as part of the pay package. Effectively, SAM is not targeting the individuals. It is targeting other law firms who poach from SAM and making them pay SAM its hafta for letting a lawyer go.
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Like +27 Object -0 Haha 06 Sep 18, 14:44  interesting  top rated
Waah!

This is an excellent attempt at propaganda. Hope you’re well paid by SAM and your payments aren’t subject to retrospective claims based on future loyalty.

What about people not leaving to join another law firm? Litigators looking to go independent? People leaving to do masters? People leaving to teach? People leaving to start businesses or go in house? Who else is Smart SAM targeting, since its targeting everyone except its lawyers according to you?

This is all a reaction to a number of exits, and will just cause more exits, because management refuses to actually fix anything.
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Like +20 Object -3 Name and alias 06 Sep 18, 19:16  interesting  top rated
Why would any firm pay 3 months salary for a SAM resource if they can get a similar resource from another firm without such a condition? It's not like the quality in the top 5-10 firms is so distinguishiable. In fact, this would hinder SAM resources' ability to find a new place.
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Like +2 Object -1 SAM-wali 07 Sep 18, 14:52
Jamai raja thanks for the explanation, now can you please go back to your in laws and tell them to give us the “50-70%” increment the good folks at barandbench have been reporting?
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Like +40 Object -1 Coincidence 06 Sep 18, 14:24  interesting  top rated
What a co-incidence. Section 377 has been decriminalized.
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Like +3 Object -0 Guest 06 Sep 18, 16:35
Timing could not have been better
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Like +1 Object -1 Consent 06 Sep 18, 21:54
Decriminalised only for consenting adults! :)
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Like +5 Object -1 Pepperino 06 Sep 18, 23:36
I didnt know it was criminalised in the first place if you were not a consenting party.

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Like +24 Object -0 Jamai ka kamaal 06 Sep 18, 14:30  interesting  top rated
See there is no point looking for a logic behind this policy. The policy was made conveniently on a fine evening over khakra and jaljeera with discussions on how to stop people from leaving. Since the concept of democracy was completely absent at the table and Article 19 (1) (g) was pleasantly dipped and eaten away with the khakra, the first decision was to make people return their salaries if they dare to leave. Please dont mind that such decisions are being made as this is how feudal India operates
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Like +7 Object -0 Farsaan 06 Sep 18, 15:44  interesting
Logic is a word that has no application here.
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Like +19 Object -1 Hildul seeks help 06 Sep 18, 14:34  interesting  top rated
Sai baba ke aashirwaad ke saath, yeh ek aur vardaan! This will mean a double decker train leaves for Lower Parel on April 1 and makes various stops. What a daft retention policy.
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Like +26 Object -1 OntheVerge 06 Sep 18, 14:38  interesting  top rated
An enquiry has been made with IRCTC for a train from Okhla to Saket since bus will no longer be sufficient. Its time to take the Train and no simran/associates will be left at the station.
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Like +13 Object -1 Metroplayer 06 Sep 18, 15:43  interesting  top rated
The Okhla- Saket metro is super crowded today. Extra samosas and jalebi (with rabri) up for grabs probably. Come one come all.
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Like +17 Object -0 scared 06 Sep 18, 14:49  interesting  top rated
So what if a person doesn't pay three months salary back to firm. Will the firm pursue him in Court?
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Like +11 Object -0 devaredeva 06 Sep 18, 16:47  interesting
They will pull the person from his hair and do the recovery. How can you forget that recovery is paramount from clients as well as the employees now.
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Like +6 Object -0 Darwin 06 Sep 18, 18:58  interesting
Easy they don't pay your salary for notice period.. plus the bonus has multiple tiers of split.. 3 presently, so there will likely be one such amount ready and willing to be cut from.
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Like +4 Object -46 JK 06 Sep 18, 14:52  troll?
Stop crying... What in wrong with this rule? It is an astute business decision by a well respected gujarati family . Associates can continue with old salaries and leave anytime
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Like +5 Object -0 Rahulbahubali 06 Sep 18, 15:17  interesting
So new people have taken over. Corporate Comms. is doing its job ! You people are stupid trying to make a good case.
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Like +7 Object -0 Sac 06 Sep 18, 15:40  interesting
I think JK was being sarcastic
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Like +2 Object -0 Katappa 06 Sep 18, 16:47
Clearly, it's not helping.
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Like +2 Object -0 Angryassociate 06 Sep 18, 15:27
Dirty tricks clean-up department (Corp. COMM) is at work. No respect for makers of such biased policies. You are delibrately making people suffer.
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Like +2 Object -0 nutmeg 06 Sep 18, 16:46
these guys have nothing to do. all this useless things the Corp Comm is good at.
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Like +7 Object -0 Secondfl. 06 Sep 18, 15:29  interesting
Some chamcha covering his ass with such comments. Astute my foot.
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Like +12 Object -0 Nonsense 06 Sep 18, 15:43  interesting  top rated
This option should have been given in April and not 5 months down the lane.
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Like +11 Object -0 Brahma 06 Sep 18, 16:51  interesting
True... its like people were working for 5 months without knowing what their pay is.. worse than a bonded labor
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Like +2 Object -0 Loser 06 Sep 18, 22:33
I can’t believe how stupid you are. It’s a stupid business decision with no business benefits.
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Like +8 Object -16 377 06 Sep 18, 15:01  controversial
While B&B has been extensively reporting about the SC decriminalisation of 377, LI makes no mention of it and instead chooses to report on Some stupid law firm’s draconian policy. Clearly someone has got their priorities messed up!
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Like +23 Object -1 kianganz 06 Sep 18, 15:17 LI subscriber  interesting  top rated
There is a mention of 377 in the comments here :)

But seriously, while we are very happy about the 377 judgment and have written extensively about it in the past, we have taken a strategic decision to do mostly exclusive stories and not those that you'd have to have been hiding under a rock under to miss.

As for the stories that every single newspaper will be leading with on their frontpages and that will be shouted about all day in wall-to-wall TV coverage, we don't generally cover these unless there's some genuine value or novel viewpoint we can add with our coverage.
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Like +13 Object -0 Lowest 06 Sep 18, 15:07  interesting  top rated
SAM in the past has had policies which were questionable but this one is a new low. I wonder how their clients will view this. They have no regard for their associates. Very sad.
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Like +0 Object -1 Curious 2 06 Sep 18, 16:27
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Like +5 Object -1 Bonded labour 06 Sep 18, 15:27
Very bad HR policy with no benefits
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Like +5 Object -1 FreeWorld 06 Sep 18, 16:50
Bad is a misnomer. Its shocking!! In so many years of practice, have never heard of such a draconian clause in retainership contracts
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Like +17 Object -0 Khus khusi 06 Sep 18, 16:15  interesting  top rated
This recommendation would have come from HR. Isn't it their job to tell the management that this decision may backfire. Anyways, people burning their midnight oil on ways to leave here are my two cents:

Get the arrears, get last month's retainer, take an experience letter before hand (under the garb of a possibile loan or tax matter requirement), then go to your partner and tell him or her that wish to quit. Don't agree to the notice period of more than 10-15 days as you wouldn't nget paid for that period. Stop going to office post 15 days and start a new job. Tell your new employer that you stood up for your rights. Most likely SAM will not sure you but will blacklist you. But if you don't have to go back to them, does it really matter. Over time (maybe in the next couple of years) they will realise their folly and welcome you back with open arms..
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Like +10 Object -2 Guest 06 Sep 18, 16:30  interesting
HR Dpt. is one of the worst dept. here
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Like +1 Object -0 Non sense 06 Sep 18, 22:36
HR in SAM has no power and no brains. They are just here to make excel sheets. HR team should realise that they have no purpose in their life and should quit if they have any self respect
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Like +3 Object -0 Brahma 06 Sep 18, 16:49
Perfect idea.. thanks
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Like +2 Object -0 Naive 06 Sep 18, 19:30
You are so naive to think SAM HR makes recommendations.
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Like +3 Object -3 KFP 06 Sep 18, 16:22
Junior associate will be thinking - "from where will I get Rs. 3 lakhs?"
Senior non family equity partner will be thinking - "from where will I get Rs. 1.8 crores?"
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Like +2 Object -2 Are you serious 06 Sep 18, 16:43
SAM is not asking for CTC, only 3 months. IF for senior partner in SAM retainer is 60 laksh a MONTH, I am ready to take SAM offer for senior role. Cant see that much a logical number..
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Like +0 Object -0 Lol 06 Sep 18, 19:32
You have all the number so wrong my friend 60 lakhs a month retainer. Nonsense
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Like +3 Object -0 Non sense 06 Sep 18, 22:37
That’s so stupid - that’s the retainer SSS would have to pay if he leaves the firm
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Like +3 Object -0 selectcityShopkeeper 06 Sep 18, 16:45
ghar ke kaagaz pls
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Like +4 Object -2 basement 06 Sep 18, 17:13
I think the mid level associates are badly hit, PAs and SAs cozthere bonus is substantial.
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Like +15 Object -0 Baba1 06 Sep 18, 16:34  interesting  top rated
B&B paid news lol
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Like +6 Object -0 SAM-ki-Jai 06 Sep 18, 20:08  interesting
I think you are right. 20 to 75% hike is an utter lie.
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Like +15 Object -2 Jr 06 Sep 18, 16:35  interesting  top rated
cant even leave now. I feel chained to my chair. Its like school all over again.
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Like +8 Object -1 ForFreeWorld 06 Sep 18, 16:50  interesting
Dont sign it and get out.
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Like +4 Object -0 Jr 06 Sep 18, 17:11
These people will make our lives living hell. exit wont be smooth now.
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Like +2 Object -1 gag 06 Sep 18, 17:11
Thats a smart way to do it since diwali bonus is of no use now.
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Like +14 Object -0 Mani_rt 06 Sep 18, 16:38  interesting  top rated
Next step is to keep papers of our houses just like good old lalajis used to do. The professionalism is completely missing in these firms.
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Like +3 Object -0 admin101 06 Sep 18, 16:41
So is this policy also applicable to the admin staff as well since not only lawyers but the admin staff is also leaving. Kian, is there any clarity on admin staff leaving out??
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Like +16 Object -0 selectcityShopkeeper 06 Sep 18, 16:43  interesting  top rated
Other firms:Shopkeeper, Associates hain?

hildul:haanji behenji

other firms: do darjan de do
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Like +11 Object -0 nora 06 Sep 18, 16:50  interesting
HR is of no use at all. They are merely paper pushers and everything is decided by the higher management. Hr has no say at all, even in performance appraisal they have no role besides maintaining excel sheets.
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Like +0 Object -2 SAM-ki-Jai 06 Sep 18, 18:29
Aap paaka HR team sey ho!
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Like +14 Object -1 assoaite 06 Sep 18, 16:58  interesting  top rated
There is a way to ask people not to leave by giving them better offers and not by giving them worst terms of employment. This could have been done gently.
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Like +4 Object -0 achiever 06 Sep 18, 17:02
Many people yet to get their chithhi, lets hope for the best. Things look gloomy.
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Like +9 Object -0 Guest 06 Sep 18, 17:08  interesting
Staff ko ye log dete kya hain? There is discrimination in the staff also. There are chamchaas who are getting good hike or pay for doing nothing while there are hardworking people who are spending whole night in the firm and getting nothing.
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Like +12 Object -1 resource 06 Sep 18, 17:09  interesting
All of us talk about policy, what about the diminishing rate of work? there is not much work in the firm and that is the primary reason for people to leave. Since variable is directly linked to the billing recovery, most of the people lose out a hefty part of their bonuses.
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Like +12 Object -0 Wtf 06 Sep 18, 17:44  interesting  top rated
If there's no work or the pipeline, be honest about it and don't give a raise. Maybe she'd some load...
...this is the last thing to do...unconscionable, to say the least!
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Like +0 Object -4 Guest 06 Sep 18, 19:41
Kavanaugh and the Bush Crime Family:
Let this be a warning!

The Bush Crime Family was into narco trafficking, money laundering, illegal justification for the Gulf War (the infant incubator lie) and the weapons of mass destruction Iraq War (Colin Powell lying to the UN) and the Brown and Root and the Carlyle Group scams.

Attention President Trump! You have done well until now .... STAY AWAY from all members of the Bush Crime Family! There are enough good people out there! Stay away from all members of the:

Bush, Clinton and Obama Crime Family s

George Meredith MD
Virginia Beach
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Like +7 Object -1 Guest 06 Sep 18, 18:08  interesting
The people I feel sorry for are law school grads who join for a short while to pay back loans or save up for an LLM abroad.
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Like +14 Object -1 Been there done that 06 Sep 18, 18:30  interesting  top rated
In 2015, they had a one month notice policy. By the end of 2016, they had a three months’ notice policy. And now this! Glad to have quit at the right time. If you don’t treat your colleagues with respect, you can’t hold them back! Wonder if people are signing these agreements!
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Like +3 Object -17 Janifear 06 Sep 18, 20:01
Well done SSS for showing taking such a courageous step ! Soon other law firm will follow you. Indian lawyer deserve this treatment...
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Like +40 Object -1 Nostra da mouse 06 Sep 18, 20:13  interesting  top rated
Fast forward to April 2019. Almost all Associates, SAs and PAs have left. Some meek ones paid up and left; some - instead of taking a hike, told the firm to take a hike and left; some served out the period and left; and some refused to pay and left. The senior partners now began to feel the heat. Who's going to write opinions for them to sign? Who's going to do basic research? How to know which template to start of from? Who's going to do that mundane due diligence? Who's going to proof read and check cross references? Who's going to brief senior counsel? Clearly, this is a crisis situation and the party seems to be over. Time for seniors to jump ship as well. Soon senior partners too start leaving. Result - clients are unhappy and they begin to leave too. The top management needs to do something quick to salvage the situation. They huddle together in a closed door meeting and come out with a brilliant solution. Top man writes to each client informing them that if they want to take back their files, they need to pay 3x the mandated fees before their files are returned. "Surely, they won't go anywhere now" says the boss with a smirk! No prizes for guessing what happened next.
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Like +2 Object -27 SAM-OSA 06 Sep 18, 20:16  troll?
All comments have got to be from lawyers other than at SAM. After seeing the numbers, the rationale is well understood. Such a mass correction of salaries is unprecedented
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Like +11 Object -2 Pepperino 06 Sep 18, 23:41  interesting
SAM was so far below the top tier market this is not a hike but a price correction to stay relevant for any sort of talent or new hires.

Everyone knows it. Please try and be less oblivious
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Like +5 Object -0 SAM-ki-Jai 07 Sep 18, 04:04  interesting
What have you smoked? They are spreading lies to save face. The increment is nothing but a slap on the face.
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Like +14 Object -1 sam ka samosa 06 Sep 18, 20:29  interesting  top rated
gross move
trying to earn from their associates
obviously noone will reject payhike given witu these terms this will mean saying i intend to leave
this may be the worst move ever
luthrization of sam
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Like +9 Object -14 On the floor 06 Sep 18, 20:37  controversial
Dumb move by SAM
The goodwill factor of the increments destroyed
Don’t blame Jamai Raja. He had nothing to do with it and was seen around the floor pacifying people and building morale.
Also th volume of comments suggest that a bus depot somewhere may be using its troll army to batter SAM!
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Like +18 Object -0 Work to do! 06 Sep 18, 23:43  interesting  top rated
Jamairaja,
Come back to handle situation on ground. Commenting on LI is not going to correct the deed!
Luv
Family
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Like +20 Object -0 Loser 06 Sep 18, 20:46  interesting  top rated
The increments are a scam. The increment is in the range of 10 to 50 percent. 50 percent increment is only in cases where associates who were grossly underpaid. If SAM is so confident of being a market leader in remuneration, it won’t put such clauses in its contracts.

What a master stroke - SAM has demotivated all its associates and ensured that no associate will join from any other firm. A genius stroke from a genius mind.
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Like +22 Object -2 Re tau 06 Sep 18, 20:48  interesting  top rated
You sure you are talking about a premiere law firm in which lawyers with fantastic pedigree work. And no educated lawyer stood up to this? Bhai next time you advise on employment laws please let us have it with a pinch of salt.
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Like +15 Object -1 Number magic 06 Sep 18, 21:11  interesting  top rated
Increment is split as Apr- Aug & Sept - March. While former is lower in side and later is higher. HR is projecting the percentage of second half as the increment - an eyewash. A pure number game to save arrears in crores.
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Like +25 Object -1 raw mangoes 06 Sep 18, 21:12  interesting  top rated
from the firm that won the gujarat bottling case which held post contract restructions as anti 27 contract act
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Like +4 Object -0 The other insider 06 Sep 18, 21:49
Have all offices got letters?
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Like +9 Object -0 Bonded Labourer 06 Sep 18, 23:06  interesting
Mr.SAM... Are you trying to set a wrong precedence. Are you running a law firm or a herd of cattle? I hope you understand the difference between a fee earner and an employee. But imposing restrictions on fee earners you are automatically converting them into an employee. Then you should be providing employee related benefits as well to al like your bonded labourers slaves. Plus Indian labour laws doesn't allow an employee to work for more than 9 hours/day or 48 hours/week failing which you need to pay overtime.
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Like +1 Object -0 570 07 Sep 18, 11:45
Interesting point! Unfortunately, lawyers cannot be regarded as 'workman' under the Industrial Disputes Act nor are they covered by any other labour legislation. Employer-employee relationship is obvious, hence the retainer basis contract to absolve them of such a relationship.
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Like +1 Object -0 Bonded Labourer 07 Sep 18, 12:47
If lawyers cannot be regarded as workmen, then I guess they deserve the respect to be given to lawyers as a professional rather than a slave. Just because they are paid, some one cannot treat them like a prisoner or a slave (I wanted to use another term which i am restraining myself to keep up the dignity of lawyers).

Lawyers are grown up adults
They know their responsibilities. They need not be hammered like a ring matter
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Like +17 Object -0 New look 07 Sep 18, 00:18  interesting  top rated
SAM Offices

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Like +8 Object -1 What the SAM 07 Sep 18, 00:40  interesting
So, how is this really going to work?

Instance: Associate A quits before April 2019. SAM demands 3 months of salary back. Associate A (assuming is slightly smart) refuses to pay back the amount.

SAM sues Associate A for recovery of money? Weird.

Law firms should be able to sue their lawyers for breach of contract. It’s not unheard of. It’s been successfully done by Titus for confidential information.

On the Section 27 point, I feel there is a judgment by Justice Mohta of the Bombay High Court which could lend some credence in favour of the clawback, albeit heavily debatable.

What is strange is, what self respecting lawyer would cower and comply when the demand comes from SAM subsequent to quitting.

If lawyers cowtow and comply, great power play. But lawyers with the true adversarial spirit may not comply. In which case, worst precedent ever. Nobody will take a SAM contract seriously going forward.

What happened to the Amarchand - the mighty and the powerful?

One breaks privilege, the other comes up with a policy which reeks of Zugzwang.


P.S - I am sure this clawback policy was supposed to be confidential, but it clearly didn’t work that way. Minor insight into how much associates respect terms of the letter they were handed over. (Strictly confidential, I am sure)
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Like +6 Object -0 First floor 07 Sep 18, 08:58  interesting
You clearly don’t know them. They will adjust it against the 3 month notice period. They worship money dude - only money. Relationships don’t count. Especially if you can no longer make money for them. And they put up post on Facebook about their own giving and greatness. Laughable
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Like +3 Object -0 What the SAM 07 Sep 18, 12:48
What kind of lawyers serve out notice period of 3 months, especially if they aren't being paid for it? I would hope lawyers would have some negotiation caliber to avoid a 3 month notice period and if not, atleast the courage/wisdom to walk out if they aren't paid for their services.

Once the first month of notice period is done and SAM doesn't pay up, it would be rather strange if the lawyer chooses to continue for two additional months.

I am all for serving out notice periods, but firstly, three months is too much; and secondly, no service is for free, especially not from a lawyer (Money worshipers usually know what that means).

Insofar as relationships go, a law firm is not the place for it anycase.

Sorry, this does not sound like infallible leverage.
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Like +10 Object -0 Brahma 07 Sep 18, 10:39  interesting
This is such a dirty organisation where retainers do not even get their signed contracts back. This shows the incompetence and insecurity of the family
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Like +9 Object -0 Queserasera 07 Sep 18, 02:04  interesting
If SAM wanted to inform the world about it's alarmingly high attrition rate, a front page article titled "150 leave SAM in 4 months" would have been a lesser evil than this "unprecedented" HR disaster.

Its amazing that not one person in the entire decision making process could foresee the repercussions of this move. It reflects very poorly on everyone from the HR to the top management. A good move will be to come down from their high horse and withdraw this farcical clause. But of course, I am dreaming.

They have announced to the Clients and the world generally how desperate they are. Be that as it may, the folks here haven't left the organisation but the bosses.

It's so easy to spot the teams driving the attrition but then again, it's the folks at the helm of those teams who run the show. So, through this stupid move, they have also caught the nice diligent handful folks completely off guard.I was showing loyalty and working hard and then I got whipped. I feel sorry for those. I truly do.

It's like after these mad bulls were done ruining lives of their own teams, they meditated on other medieval methods of destruction and found a perfect solution.

Last few months at SAM, "How daft can you be to overlook a snake on your desk?"

Today in SAM, "Call a seige to trap the snake."
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Like +9 Object -0 Khus khusi 07 Sep 18, 07:45  interesting
The whole process is a disaster.

As mentioned in my earlier comment, those who wish to leave will still do by simply following the process mentioned therein.

The new joiners will now negotiate over the above 'base price'. If I were to go back to SAM and at a PA level now the offer made was 70. I would add 3months fixed fee to it at the time of negotiating my numbers. Its very clear that they are desperate to hire so if I know that I am good and they are interested (which i know they are going by the mediocre candidates they have interviewed off late), they will budget. So the new joinees will benefit. Just keep the three month 'additional' amount you negotiated in in a FD and give back the principal at the time you leave. You may still follow the approach mentioned in my earlier comment and give them a double blow.

It is also an eyewash, as most of the increase is made in the bonus components. Ask HR how many individuals (not teams) met their 2.75x or 3x as it will now be. Answer is less than 5%. Not meeting targets is not a resources fault, one team member gets staffed on dollar billing matter and other on fixed fee. It seems not difficult to assume which one will meet target. Will become all the .ore difficult for litigation, competition law and tax teams. Net net the number of people meeting the now inflated targets (as a result of jump in bonus) would fall further and SAM will never have to actually pay the bait. It was supposed to be eye wash but they were hoping that it would give them an image of market leader, am afraid their existing image got a beating because of this. Good I left just in time.
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Like +3 Object -0 PA 07 Sep 18, 10:15
Are you sure a PA at SAM gets 70?
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Like +4 Object -0 Te 07 Sep 18, 08:30
The policy will hamper the growth of the legal industry. What they don't realise is that this will prevent other good lawyers coming into their firm Wheen they need it. Big thumbs down
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Like +26 Object -1 PS12345 07 Sep 18, 10:45  interesting  top rated


Is this the modern day "3 gunaa lagaan"?? 6th September 2018 will henceforth be associated with 2 extreme emotions in the Indian legal landscape - (1) the elation at India growing up with the exceptional verdict in the Article 377 case, (2) the disgust at the introduction of blatant economic slavery by the "fantastic" minds at SAM. One one hand, the Supreme Court threw away a colonial era baggage, while on the other hand, the "fantastic minds" at SAM have re-introduced East India Company style economic exploitation!

If "the fantastic minds" at SAM feel that they since they have the coffer size to offer big pay packets and hence can economically own their employees, i have just 2 statements at their mentality and morality - Such a shame, and such a sham!

A company (or, a firm as it is called in the legal fraternity), is only as good as its employees. While the employee-centric HR policies in India has been having its constant decline - with employees being called "resources", managers referring to their colleagues as "heads", etc., this policy by the "fantastic minds" at SAM, though, takes the cake in being the single most shameful act in the HR landscape across all fraternities in India.

Its high time the HR policies in India is brought under some order, either through the collective pressure exerted by the employees across fraternities, or through a self-realization by the HR partners themselves (which seems to be tough task!). Else, we employees are staring at a bleak future - one that will take us back to the economic violation of the pre-1947 era!


(P.S : Please excuse my language. I do not belong to the legal fraternity and hence do not use "legal" terminologies. However, my opinions emanate from the point of view of a concerned fellow employee)
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Like +13 Object -0 Scooter- 07 Sep 18, 11:22  interesting  top rated
They should ask a BG for 3 months salary. With that quality of cream they are smoking, I would totally ask for this!!
Delhi office being close to himachal does have its benefits.
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Like +5 Object -0 Soup Nazi 07 Sep 18, 11:48  interesting


No increment if you don’t sign.

No soup for you.
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Like +3 Object -0 Soup nazi 07 Sep 18, 14:14
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Like +4 Object -0 Jerry 07 Sep 18, 11:52


10% > 40% > 200% >3x < 3 months

Jumla
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Like +3 Object -0 Can’t stand ya- George 07 Sep 18, 14:40
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Like +5 Object -0 Kramerica Industries 07 Sep 18, 11:58  interesting


Reaction of SAM lawyer on hearing claw back.
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Like +5 Object -0 Cosmo 07 Sep 18, 14:21  interesting
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Like +4 Object -0 Future interviewees 07 Sep 18, 14:59
So anybody will be potentially giving an interview after this at firm, should either not join, or demand an exponential increase in salary accounting for the three months of clawback right? Or demand to see the retainership agreement before accepting any offer?
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Like +3 Object -0 Brahma 07 Sep 18, 20:24
Damage control mail received
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Like +1 Object -0 ZRS 07 Sep 18, 20:40
So, what's the spiel being spun around to??
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Like +5 Object -0 Boom Shankar 07 Sep 18, 21:29  interesting
this scam policy should be completely rolled back.

Only a clarificatory Mail. Silent on the real issue. Doesn’t address the concerns.

Similar to RBI giving clarifications on Notebandi.
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Like +21 Object -0 Insider 07 Sep 18, 20:43  interesting  top rated
So - the joint managing partners of the one of the largest firm of India viz Akshay and PSS have now accepted in writing that they could not draft a five para doc properly.
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Like +3 Object -16 Duh 07 Sep 18, 21:07
You think managing partners draft HR letters???

BTW On a separate note is seems like a certain law firm has hired trolls to go after SAM. My hunch.
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Like +10 Object -0 Guest 07 Sep 18, 21:25  interesting
Hiring trolls? Kya phook raha hai bhai?
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Like +1 Object -0 Freedom fighter 07 Sep 18, 22:21
Agar hum karein to karein kya , bole to bole kya . ——>>>>> waah SAM waah.

Big thank you for being here.
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Like +9 Object -0 Freedom fighter 07 Sep 18, 22:29  interesting
These are not paid trolls. Janta ki awaaz hai. Sun lo kaam Ayega. You seem to have been in servitude for a while and have lost sense of fairness, reality and purpose of life. Bik gaye ho aap.

#Azadi
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Like +7 Object -0 Legally Bored 08 Sep 18, 00:24  interesting
So managing partners signed without reading the letters. Well done SAM HR. You are most empowered support team in legal industry.
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Like +5 Object -2 Crazy 2 07 Sep 18, 21:41
Apparently, EPs were not even told or consulted about the clause - came as surprise to everyone except the Family of course
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Like +8 Object -0 Khus khusi 08 Sep 18, 05:23  interesting
Managing Committee would have known for sure. I am not saying if they had a say in it or not, but I can tell you that full process would have been followed. This would have come up in the MC meeting agenda and the family would have supported the idea or may be even floated it. Jatin, Gunjan and others would have said "hell yeah! Jo jijai bolenge main karunga" and voted in favour.
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Like +0 Object -0 Shit PR stunts 08 Sep 18, 23:45
First it was blaming the associates for affidavits

Then came introduction of designates.

Followed it up with breaking the bonus because of split and pocketing all our money for that year.

All people supposedly earmarked for highest level left the firm in last 2 years and this is what you do. SAM - please have some sense or let someone who has take the calls. Enough damage has been done.

Can't believe OA s journey to saket led to such a knee jerk reaction.
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