Foreign lawyer entry: Bar Assoc India prez Divan calls for ‘meaningful dialogue’ & resolution post budget thaw

Senior counsel Anil Divan wants practical position paper on liberalisation from government.

Liberalisation: Remains in limbo
Liberalisation: Remains in limbo
Reacting to the Indian finance ministry’s suggestion in its 2012-13 economic survey, as reported by Legally India on 28 February, that the government should explore allowing greater access to foreign law firms, Bar Association of India president (BAI) and senior counsel Anil Divan has called for the government to produce a position paper containing its national objectives and a “proposed mechanism” on the issue.

Recognising foreign law firms’ disinterest in working at the Indian bar, the association’s president Anil Divan wrote in a column in The Hindu:

Predominantly, foreign law firms want to practise as consultants (FLCs) and not in court. Government apathy, unthinking bureaucratic support to foreign law firms, total disconnect with the legal profession, absence of national policy objectives and dubious behaviour by foreign law firms in the past have clouded the whole issue.

Divan recited much of the history of the debate, including two court cases and a 1994 Delhi bar council challenge to an English Queen’s Counsel (QC), and concluded:

It is time a resolution to this contentious issue was arrived at. The ball lies in the government’s court. It must start a frank and meaningful dialogue by publishing a position paper containing the national objectives and a proposed mechanism.

In sum, reciprocity, transparency and accountability of foreign lawyers with strict court-monitored mechanism of disciplinary control (one cannot trust the executive in view of its consistent support to foreign law firms) and a level-playing field are essential to be put in place by law. Our law firms should not be eliminated in India as has happened in the accountancy sector but should grow nationally and internationally. A modus vivendi between the legal profession and the authorities is a precondition for fashioning a meaningful mechanism. Foreign Legal Consultants (FLCs) and foreign lawyers being permitted to enter the legal services sector in India without these safeguards would be unacceptable, inopportune and contrary to national interest.

Click here to read the full opinion column in The Hindu

Economic Times article examining liberalisation, including views from SILF president Lalit Bhasin and several law firm partners favouring liberalisation (3 March 2013)

Comments

W 21 Mar 2013, 14:17
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Welcome to LI: Mouthpiece of the anti-liberalisation lobby.
kianganz 21 Mar 2013, 14:22
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LI is no one's mouth piece, thank you very much!

In any case, would be interested in genuine engagement with this news item, which seems to signal a readiness to engage in proper dialogue on the issues and recognition of the commercial aims of foreign firms (I.e., not working at the bar), which hasn't really happened much to date as far as I can tell.

Any thoughts?
Oracle 22 Mar 2013, 09:23
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Foreign firms are not practicing here in the next two decades. Even if some limited licences are granted after 5-10 years, foreign firms won't want that. Indian lawyers will keep going to the West, return with the skills and argue against entry of foreign firms so that they can reign supreme - clients are happy with the Western quality (at some firms) and the lower costs. Even in other Asian jurisdictions, Western firms are struggling on cost.
There is a Reason 22 Mar 2013, 10:02
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[quote name="Oracle"]Foreign firms are not practicing here in the next two decades. Even if some limited licences are granted after 5-10 years, foreign firms won't want that. Indian lawyers will keep going to the West, return with the skills and argue against entry of foreign firms so that they can reign supreme - clients are happy with the Western quality (at some firms) and the lower costs. Even in other Asian jurisdictions, Western firms are struggling on cost.[/quote]

In a place like India and other "developing" jurisdictions, where there is negative (much less than zero) respect for commitment and rules, its no surprise lawyers are all useless-formality-cheap-labour who should be paid meagrely... and they should be continued to be paid meagrely. Even if you see Asian jurisdiction like Japan, they have highest lawyer earning to gdp ratio because of serious difference in the values and success of such nations.
zing 21 Mar 2013, 15:00
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Little off topic:

What is this Bar Association of India ? Can some one share the website ?

Also do any of the comments made by Mr. Divan trigger any conversation at the places required ?
Shiney 22 Mar 2013, 09:34
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The Hindu uses the acronym BAI for the Bar Association of India. Ha ha, Life of Bai.
Bai bah 21 Mar 2013, 15:58
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The Bar Association of India is an association of 3 people elected for life (I think last 10 years) including Lalit Bhasin and some name lenders like Divan and Nariman. Apparently even the name lenders are annointed for life. The so called association has no credibility except that it gives each other these annointments - so that their quotes get some legitimacy.
Dazed and Confused 21 Mar 2013, 16:59
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The voices of anti-liberalization are simply louder and more aggressive than the other voices; LI can't report what isn't being stated publicly by someone. Snarky remarks from young lawyers in the safety of a blog comment section are insufficient.

Fact is there is no prominent voice for liberalization, while Zia and the Shroffs, among others, are vociferous defenders of their monopoly. Anyone who thinks this will change when younger lawyers take over should ask how much the ascension of Rahul, and the young Scindia and Pilot have resulted in fresh thinking from Congress.

We should all relax and forget about liberalization for at least another 15 years, 'cause it ain't gonna happen anyway.
enrique 22 Mar 2013, 01:59
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Kian please do not ignore this news item also, where a well known UK-Indian lawyer points out how not allowing FDI in legal sector is hindering FDI overall and it is a few large law firms in India who are lobbying against it:

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-03-20/news/37872367_1_legal-sector-foreign-lawyers-indian-lawyers

Please remember the Hindu is the unofficial spokesman of the Left and the editor has openly admitted to being a Marxist. You should also look at stories in other papers to give balonced coverage.
nalsardude 22 Mar 2013, 06:44
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"Please remember the Hindu is the unofficial spokesman of the Left and the editor has openly admitted to being a Marxist".
And I presume you are the unofficial spokesman of the "potty paper brigade"? (Read TOI)
kianganz 22 Mar 2013, 06:52
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We'd actually linked to the ET story at the bottom of this article but unfortunately we'd missed it when it was first published...

Indeed, an interesting and fairly balanced read - something a mainstream newspaper might not have run a few years ago, so it is interesting to see that perhaps the discussion is moving on somewhat towards issue-led debate?

Though just as likely, it's a case of "all said, nothing done".
Really? 22 Mar 2013, 05:40
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"Our law firms should not be eliminated in India as has happened in the accountancy sector but should grow nationally and internationally."

Is Mr Divan suggesting that Indian accountancy firms have been eliminated? Accuracy is clearly not required when dealing with this issue.

However, even if it were so, it is interesting how NONE of the arguments against liberalisation focus on either the impact on the economy or clients. There is an economic need for liberalisation, large Indian corporates (who would be the main Indian consumers of the services of foreign law firms) are in favour of opening up the market, and one would have thought that these are compelling arguments. Clearly not.

Finally, who will be doing the work and earning the profits if this sector were to be liberalised? The same lawyers who are currently working in Indian law firms. The only people who liberalisation would be bad for are the current owners of law firms, and it is sad to see how they have been able to block this over a long period.
nalsardude 22 Mar 2013, 06:55
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Dear LI, why are you not publishing my comments? Do you love the TOI that much? [Hold your horses and flames Mr Nalsardude, your comment was published - sometimes it may take a few minutes for a published comment to appear. -Ed]
Lawyer 22 Mar 2013, 12:08
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if I may add to the Hindu supporting Nalsardude, your much loved and so called Marxist editor of Hindu (S Vardarajan) happens to be a proud citizen of US. So typical of so called Indian liberals to preach what they do not practice themselves. I am sure Hindu will keep opposing FDI in India while his American children will study in Ivy League and join white shoe US firms...
nalsardude 23 Mar 2013, 10:53
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[quote name="Lawyer"]if I may add to the Hindu supporting Nalsardude, your much loved and so called Marxist editor of Hindu (S Vardarajan) happens to be a proud citizen of US. So typical of so called Indian liberals to preach what they do not practice themselves. I am sure Hindu will keep opposing FDI in India while his American children will study in Ivy League and join white shoe US firms...[/quote]
TOI has dumbed you down, dear sir. I suggest you start reading. Maybe then you will stop spewing mindless opinions from your b-grade newspapers. :)
lawyer 24 Mar 2013, 22:54
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so typical of Indian liberals to make an opinion about everyone, other than them, being a fascist and reactionary... dumb, mindless, unread and such other statements that can only come from someone like you folks.

as you would have guessed, i do not read TOI or any other paid news paper. however your editor remains a US citizen. this fact is printed in your newspaper (as each newspaper is required to regarding their respective editors) and not in any other dumb news paper which you assume that mindless people like me read and become dumb!

oh how i miss the so called Indian intellectual liberals...
Proud right winger 22 Mar 2013, 12:47
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N Ram is a shameless stooge of China who consistently attacks the Dalai Lama and does not have the guts to speak on human rights violations by China. The Hindu is a rag that is popularised in law schools in the South by armchair Naxalite profs from JNU. Just wait till the foreign lawyer issue progresses, that paper will be hell bent to prevent it. Bloody losers.
nalsardude 23 Mar 2013, 10:58
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"Naxalite professors from JNU". Haha. Yourself and "Lawyer"( I doubt he is one), seem to get your papers from the same source eh?
Rather than parroting opinions you read on a daily basis from wherever it is you do, try and form an independent and unbiased opinion, more importantly, something which is not riddled with numbing stereotypes. I am sure you dont have a clue what the naxalist movement is about but still know the brand of diapers which baby aaradhya wears.
Guest 24 Mar 2013, 11:32
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i am not able to understand that why we are against the foreign law firm.......in my opinion if we allowed foreign law firm, it is good for advocate specially young one who were exploited in the hand of seniors or eagle's of this profession......... at least young advocate who has knowledge but can not succeed as every one know that to get early success in legal field you require good father...........................if foreign law firm come to india, it does not affect our business.........but it surely affect the biggies who are most vociferous in arguing against foreign law firm
X 25 Mar 2013, 08:34
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@10: Well said, friend. But the answer is that there are oligarchs in various sectors of the Indian economy who bribe politicians and ensure that there is no FDI and that the country suffers while they get richer. That is why we will always be behind China.
Hazard 26 Mar 2013, 12:36
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Well well well! This is indeed a great discussion.

#6 Really? Big 4 accounting and tax firms have wiped out business of Indian accounting firms. For a fact, no well to do company will have a non Big 4 as their auditor. For a fact, foreign accounting firms still cannot audit Indian companies but they have tie-ups with Indian firms who do the same on Big 4s behalf and under their brand.

However, whether allowing foreign law firm in the legal sector adversely impact the Indian firms? I hardly doubt. I have worked with a top tier law firm and I have witnessed their market penetration and goodwill. It will be very tough for an outsider to topple that kind of presence with the Indian clients. However, there should be competition in the legal market.

I presently work with a Big4 firm. If their is anything to be feared, it is their presence in over 160 countries across the world. The strong network presence pulls in tons of clients based on referrals. For lawyers who are guessing what this is? This is the kind of best friend relations that Indian law firms have with foreign firms. Sadly those relationships would end when foreign law firms do come in, unless the Indian firms are acquired by the foreign firms (that relationship will change a bit then).

Nalsardude: U must be more of dud than a dude! Talk sense and on the topic. Who cares about your devotion and love for The Hindu? Save your trash talk for a topic which discusses the best Indian newspaper or whatever you wish!

#10 Guest: Foreign law firms will be mostly be active in advisory practice in the lines of M&A, Tax, FEMA, Capital Markets, Funds, Outbound & Inbound Investments, PE, Project Finance, FIIs. They will pay you like crazy and make you burn quite the same for it! Not sure how much of a father they'll be that you are looking for. Furthermore, they will not be in court practice so people in that path will keep on getting exploited. Sorry to sound like this, but that's d truth.

#11 X: India lags behind China because they are more disciplined than India, not just because of restriction in FDI.
guest 26 Mar 2013, 14:42
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hi Hazard
i am not against you, as i am in favor of opening of Indian legal market for forgien law firm........as about big four all the partner of big 4 accounting as big CA firms who already capture big market, but one thing is important even today their are lots of small ca firm and they have their own area of working which is entirely different from big 4...........look at today many big indian corporate are taking services of international law firm....than why we are hesitating in opening of our market at least after that i am sure it will increase the standers of indian firm also......why we are in fear we are also free to do business anywhere in world...........if we want to capture international business than why we are afraid of competition............today all the big law firm in india hire only from NLS then what about other law school which include law school like DU and other.......as i saw many of the talented student of these law school are exploited in the hands of lawyers(from lower to supreme court) and if these law firm will come to india, i am sure it will open gates for these bonded skilled law labour.
Guest 2 Apr 2013, 15:52
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Mr Divan should spend more time trying to reign in people like Mr Salve who say that "my knowledge is your renumeration" and get away with paying nothing to their juniors (not even chai money) for the first 2-3 years of their career. Atleast foreign firms might change some of the servant- master mentality promoted by firms like Amarchand and the humiliation meted out by Zia everyday when she commands on her loudspeaker that such and such associate should see her immediately (nothwithstanding that she speaks on this loudspeaker at 2:AM in the morning).

I am so glad I never had to take up a job with an Indian law firm...I might have had a heart attack at 28 like one of my classmates...