Exclusive: Nishith Desai’s 10-year US visa revoked at immigration in ‘shocking incident’

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Nishith Desai Associates managing partner Nishith Desai was turned away by US immigration last week in Canada and had his business visa cancelled, because he would require an employment visa when meeting clients in the US. Desai explained in a statement to Legally India that the US immigration officer in Vancouver held him up for over two-and-a-half hours at Vancouver airport on Thursday 7 October. According to Desai, the official denied him entry to the US and cancelled his 10-year B1 (Business) visa on the ground that providing even brief consulting as an independent lawyer to an American client was tantamount to employment in the US and was a violation of the law.

Desai said he had told the immigration official that he was travelling to the US to attend some functions and meet some of his clients for a few hours. Between January 2010 to October 7 he had been in the US only three times and only for about 18 days, noted Desai.

After having been refused entry, Desai then purchased new tickets and returned to India on Sunday.

When contacted by Legally India, Desai said: “The US government has been made aware of the situation at the highest level and I am hopeful this will be resolved to the satisfaction of all parties.”

Nishith Desai Associates has an office in California’s Silicon Valley, in Palo Alto.

Society of Indian Law Firms (SILF) chairman Lalit Bhasin had sent an email to a distribution list of lawyers on Saturday 9 October, with a subject of “SHOCKING INCIDENT”.

In the email Bhasin set out the above facts and concluded: “Our colleagues are forewarned about similar consequences. We have to agitate this matter with U.S. authorities and Government of India. On the eve of President Obama’s visit this ugly development would certainly be a set back for better relations between the two countries and the two professions.”

Comments

Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 17:44
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Ha ha ha ha. This is hilarious.

I am amazed that Mr. Bhasin [could] believe that this could in any event "dent" India-US relations.
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 18:29
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India should reciprocrate such kindness.
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 19:22
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I am not well acquainted with the US employment laws but this is pretty ridiculous. He would need an employment visa only if he was advising on matters of American law. Otherwise, consultation with clients on matter regarding fund management would certainly fall squarely under the scope of activities that can be conducted under a business visa.


Lastly, please change the headline regarding the Akhil Bharat Hindu Mahasabha's caveat- It is not the 'Hindus' as you would call it. Just like the Al Qaeda is not 'Muslims'.
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 19:24
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Publicity Stunt
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 20:06
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"..providing even brief consulting as an independent lawyer to an American client was tantamount to employment in the US and was a violation of the law."

Hahaha..now the boot is on the other foot. The wearer of the shoe knows where it pinches. No point in having an establishment in that country if you are harassed in this way.

I hope more such incidents arise, so that the SILF members really do something to ensure that US firms are paid back in the same coin.

For decades the US kept preaching to all and sundry about the virtues of free trade and free enterprise. Now see how they rail against outsourcing, China and clamour for high tariffs and non-tariff barriers and outright protectionism.

The US' days of glory are finally about to end. It no longer has the clout the advance its nefarious designs on the 'third world'.

People, it would be in your interest never to set foot on the accursed land of liberty and opportunity. You will get neither.
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 20:13
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My name is not nishith, and I am not a terrorist
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 21:02
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Well for providing consultancy and doing marketing, employment visa is required in India, Lets inform this to all business tourist coming in India especially from USA!!!

Recession seems to have hit USA really hard!!! and when going gets tough even the preachers of freedom don't work the way they preach...
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 21:13
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What is 'shoking' in this? I think US authorities are right. An Indian lawyer is not allowed to practice in US.
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 21:21
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Many dont know that US laws are devoid of proper jurisprudence and sometimes judges give verdict which do not have any sense or rationality. This is one such example. However, US lawyers are really smart and I feel they are better than their UK counterparts when it comes to corporate lawyering.
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 21:46
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To my understanding no one is restricted to go to US to attend meetings with clients in US. In fact, the B1/B2 VISA itself permits such activities explicitly. The question is then why is Nishith refused entry to US? He has set up a law firm in California and logically one would assume that the firm practices California law and earns revenues in US and pays taxes.

Question is can anyone with a business visit VISA only(whether issued by US, UK or India) set up a business in any of these countries and earn income? The answer is a NO.

Sad to read comments of people who without understanding the probable background are playing it up as if a 'poor' and 'bankrupt' US is now forced to refuse entry to India's 'shining' lawyers!
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 22:49
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how can there be a US immigration officer in Vancouver, Canada
Anonymous guest 13 Oct 2010, 22:53
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@#10 - thanks for the first intelligent and genuine comment, and agree that B1/B2 visa is meant to cover visits for both pleasure and business trips... i think this is probably linked to the larger situation of working in the US or earning income in the US, which you cannot do without an H1B as per my understanding...
Anonymous guest 14 Oct 2010, 01:11
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Does this not resonate the reasons set out in the Chennai High Court Petition? I also thought that SILF was of the view that meetings held in India by foreign law firms actually tantamounted to "practice of law in India". Query why they are now "SHOCKED".
Anonymous guest 14 Oct 2010, 03:17
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no matter what the topic or issue.. some guys here will always brag in the entry of foreign law firm issue.. seriously, i do not understand how that adds up to the discussion.. go fishing guys!
Anonymous guest 14 Oct 2010, 16:21
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"Desai explained in a statement to Legally India that the US immigration officer in Vancouver held him up for over two-and-a-half hours at Vancouver airport on Thursday 7 October." How come US immigration officer in Vancouver airport ? Is this a stunt gimmick or ignorance of Legally India ??
Anonymous guest 14 Oct 2010, 16:47
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So the setting is perfect - AMSS, JSA, NDA, AZB, KCO will all say that they wanted to help foreign firms enter India but now since there is no reciprocity it is not possible to help them in India. Wake up everybody !! If you have Managing Partners in some of these law firms earning US Dollars 10 million and above, why would such Managing Partners welcome entry by foreign firms. Even the managing partner at Weil Gotshall earns less than 10 million. In litigation terms - this is called perfect 'scenario creation'
Anonymous guest 14 Oct 2010, 18:28
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OK, so lalit bhasin lobbies against foreign lawyers everyday and he has a problem when america does the same?
Anonymous guest 14 Oct 2010, 21:53
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Answer to # 15: Yes, I can confirm that there are US Immigration Officers at the Vancouver airport. It is quite similar to what it is in London where there are Immigration Officers of France/Brussels posted at the King's Cross train station in London to stamp the passport. Mr Nishith Desai was attending the IBA Annual Conference in Vancouver. I think he could have easily taken a cab down to Seattle in the US which is just about an hour from there or a train would have been a better option.
Jyoti 15 Oct 2010, 03:12
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Perhaps the immigration officer was being a bit over-zealous but he was within his right to deny N Desai entry. A business visa cannot be used for rendering professional services within the US (which includes legal consultancy). Usually this is a fine point and unofficially plenty of lawyers visit the US to meet with clients based out of there without admitting as much. Once this is on the record however, the officer may not have had any choice but to deny entry and cancel the visa. Plenty of consultants face this problem; Desai is not the first and certainly will not be the last.

This is hardly shocking and using a heading such as this tends to sensationalise the story which is regrettable.
Anonymous guest 15 Oct 2010, 05:54
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#19: The B1/B2 is meant for meetings and generation of business. What B1/B2 does not permit you to do is to go to US, set up office there and earn money. Very fair, considering no other country prevents foreign consultants to meet their clients in the host nation but all countries prevent such consultants to open a place of business and earn money.

I wonder how Nishith got away all these years. He obviously is a partner of the outfit in California that is advertised on NDA's website, or how else is he getting money out from his California office?
Anonymous guest 15 Oct 2010, 14:07
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# 15 & 20: Totally agree with you. That is the nub of the issue. Having a business visa from a country does not entitle one to set up a place of business over there. Nishith may be qualified to practise Californian law but his immigration status (defined by the visa stamped on his passport) seemingly does not permit him to open up an office over there.

Maybe Nishith has a diferent view here but that certainly is not the arguement laid out on this article either by him or in the email which Lalilt Bhasin sent around (which I have had read).
Anonymous guest 15 Oct 2010, 16:40
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Why is this shocking? I could think of 2 reasons :
(1) That what the immigration officer did was illegal. But that is not the case. A business visa does not entitle a foreign citizen to set up a place of business in the USA - a fact well known to all. So it is Mr Desai who was on the wrong side of the law. He may say he came for "consultancy" but the US immigration officer would have no way to verify the same.
(2) That he is an important person - a la Shah Rukh Khan. So what? It is only we Indians who have this mentality that an important person can be given some leeway wrt the law. No way I say. Bob Dylan was frisked by US police on the streets recently as they suspected him of suspicious activity.
Anonymous guest 15 Oct 2010, 20:52
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SILF & co should stop behaving like [...] at the slightest pretext.
Anonymous guest 16 Oct 2010, 04:54
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Again, SILF has shown its regressive approach and the old boys club inner coterie as well as "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" philosophy..... Lalit needs to ascertain if ND is actually entitled and qualified to practice law in the US[...]??
Anonymous guest 18 Oct 2010, 20:27
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Let me close this:
1. ND is qualified to practice Indian law in California, US. Check out http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements/ForeignLegalConsultantsFLC/ForeignLegalConsultantsList.aspx

2. Short meetings for business development do not tantamount to 'employment'.

3. This is not 'scenario creation'. It actually did happen.

4. SILF's views as an industry body is cumulative of the views of its members. There is no point criticizing them here when all of your law firms are members.

5. Less is more. Yes, top Indian lawyers earn more than their US counterparts. This is the story and eventually economics will prevail over immigration or politics.

6. Thank you.
Anonymous guest 23 Oct 2010, 13:00
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Editor, I met Nisheth in a Bar function where he said to US lawyers in Chicago " friends, I am not your compteter as I practice Indian laws in US''.
After his speach i requested him to look at my Card n he gave me his card.

Nisheth Desai Advocate Knows that he can not practice Indian laws in Illinois state of USA without license. As a matter of fact he has a lisence as FLC in LA to practice Indian laws.

Nishith should reapect the laws of US n other country's he goes. It is obligatory on a member of Indian Bar. BCI should look in to this matter.

Mr.Desai Advocate is answereable to Indian lawyers. US is more open to Indian lawyers then India to US lawyers.

Best,
T.Gaur
Advocate
Delhi HC Bar n Indian American Bar Association USA
Anonymous guest 27 Oct 2010, 20:17
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@ 26 - please email your speech to Nisheth :-)
Anonymous guest 31 Oct 2010, 07:30
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he he:-) its surprising how this incident gets so many comments..