Amarchand SA Rishi Anand starts Gnarus to compete on price, skills for lower tier work

Anand: Skillz
Anand: Skillz

Amarchand Mangaldas senior associate Rishi Anand has founded Delhi start-up Gnarus Partners with three associates and one litigation head, aiming to double in size by next year and by attracting second-tier work.

Gnarus – which means “skilful”, explained Anand – began operating from a 1,200 square foot office in Chittaranjan Park last week.

The 2007 Symbiosis Pune graduate specialises in corporate transactional law. He began his career at LakshmiKumaran and Sridharan in Delhi, followed by a stint in Singapore between 2008 and 2011.

There he worked as a foreign lawyer at Dacheng Law Offices and Rodyk & Davidson, and completed an LLM at National University of Singapore.

In March 2011 he joined Amarchand in Delhi.

He said that starting up his own firm was always part of his career plan, which included working abroad and at Amarchand.

He would initially focus purely on corporate, M&A and private equity work, alongside litigation that would be headed by another 2007 Symbiosis graduate.

“If you see, there is a lot of space in the market right now. There are clients that don’t want to pay [top tier] rates […] for drafting a resolution,” he said. “I have signed a few retainers initially [and] I am working with a few of the private equity firms… in addition I have a few very good companies that will be retaining me.”

“Each of the matters are more than Rs 15 to 20 crores and the litigation bits are also going to be very good,” claimed Anand.

He named several major private equity funds he used to do work for, but admitted that he would not be able to target the top tier yet. “I know I’m not going to get work from them right now but second tier [funds and] SMEs, for them it will be a blessing.

“You get experienced lawyers and a very very good rate.”

The funds he was currently instructed by, such as one boutique firm run by one of his “investment banker friends”, he explained, were smaller venture capital funds with deal sizes below $10m.

His team currently consisted of two fresh law graduates from RGNUL Patiala and Symbiosis, and a lawyer with one year of experience from CLC Delhi, as well as a part-time LLM graduate paralegal.

By the end of 2013, he was hoping that at least 10 lawyers would be working for him, he said.

Amarchand declined to comment.

Comments

Sweety 18 Dec 2012, 02:56
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don't know him but wish him the best. It will be difficult given his relatively less experience (5 yrs)but at least he cannot hold himself guilty of saying I wish I had started my own firm.
Raj V. Adv. 18 Dec 2012, 09:00
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Sweety its not the [b]Time[/b] taken but the [b]Distance[/b] traveled that matters .... At least he has the valor to quit a firm like Amarchand to take the entrepreneurial plunge n call his own shots ..... So we should all be appreciative n wish his best of luck ....
Sweety 18 Dec 2012, 10:18
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[quote name="Raj V. Adv."]Sweety its not the [b]Time[/b] taken but the [b]Distance[/b] traveled that matters .... At least he has the valor to quit a firm like Amarchand to take the entrepreneurial plunge n call his own shots ..... So we should all be appreciative n wish his best of luck ....[/quote]
I fully agree. That's why I hope he does well. If more people were brave enough to quit like him, the big firms would be forced to reform. I think its a matter of time before more and more good lawyers will get the courage to start off on their own.
divs 31 Dec 2012, 05:57
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all the very best to you sir.but i dont understand whtas wrong with the law firms in india???y do they always recruit freshers from nls or top law schools?????y cant they just understand that there are still much qualified,experienced and brilliant freshers from other law colleges n universities??well...its my humble request to you and all other law firms in india that stop being judgemental and start recruiting other freshers also..alteast give them a chance of interview to prove themselves that they r nonethe less from nls etc guys.
thnx
In house lawyer - Delhi 18 Dec 2012, 04:06
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I know this chap and he has worked for me as well. Pretty smart and delivers excellent work product. I knew he will start of his own firm someday and I'm sure he will do well. All the best Rishi. Cheers!
Top tier firm lawyer 18 Dec 2012, 05:43
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Read the article on bar and bench as well... covered well!
hmm 18 Dec 2012, 06:15
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Our market continues to be volatile, wonder if amarchand will reach its 1000+ lawyers dominance goal.
From the topunns!! 18 Dec 2012, 07:37
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While i wish you good luck in this endeavor, i will give you one word of advise...

Lose the "working for him.." ideology and instead walk on the "...working WITH him" path.... collaboration is better than a one man dictate!

All the best my friend!
Lawyer in the City 18 Dec 2012, 07:50
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@Kian - The tone and tenor of your article is extremely negative. I believed all this while that LI (like other start-ups) was in support of entreprenuerial spirit. This was an issue of someone trying to break the norm and not compete on rates. There is no connect to your heading and quoted by Rishi.

Rishi - Way to go! He has wonderful experience and excellent execution skills. Many more Tier-I associates to follow suit? Why should starting firms be ex-Partners domain?

This may be a game changer, watch the space!
Of course! 18 Dec 2012, 10:14
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@Lawyer in the City - Of course the tone here will be negative! Any good work by a non-NLU graduate is seen as disheartening by LI and Kian! No offence Kian, but this is my observation with respect to your articles..

Way to go Rishi!!
@ Village Lawyer 18 Dec 2012, 16:01
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How is it a Game Changer? Several AMSS (and other big firm associates) already have firms of their own- I think Rishi is short selling himself by describing his target as doing low end work
@ Village Vakil 18 Dec 2012, 17:57
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Then you are not clear on the metrics or facts. Several others, who have left - joined inherited chambers or practice in one way or the other.

Rishi, though some say extremely well connected in political circles, I believe does not have any forefathers or uncles in this industry.
@ Village Lawyer 19 Dec 2012, 13:38
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Here are some names, try them on for your metrics and facts, Vishnu Jerome, Vivek Durai, Deepto Roy, Souvik Ganguly... there are several out there who don't have godfathers and seems to be none the worse for it... Rishi is not a game-changer, the game changed some time back, its just that the big firms do not know it yet...
No kidding 7 Jan 2013, 17:17
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No lawyer will ever say that he is targetting low end work and that too a lawyer with his background. Dont you get that these mom and pop shops generally pay the legal media on a regular basis, either by paying in the name of publishing articles or otherwise. No offence to LI - but you guys always try to balance the story to make sure that the daddys are not upset with you and give you your pocket money regularly.
kianganz 7 Jan 2013, 17:52
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Thanks for your feedback.

2 points.

1. What's wrong with targeting low-end work? I thought he was refreshingly honest. Just because it's not a 1000 crore M&A, doesn't mean it's not law, surely.

2. The 'daddys' as you call it, are not, nor have they ever given us any 'pocket money' (fortunately or unfortunately? Take your pick :) ).

Best wishes,
Kian
Delhi Advocate 18 Dec 2012, 09:56
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@Lawyer in the City - completely agree. What is ironical is the LI ads running on top?! 'Uncle partner syndrome'- clearly there seems to be many a slip between the cup and the lip here @ LI.

I do not know Rishi but wholeheartedly support the move! It is for Rishi to react on the heading related to rates and price competition.
Sdheer Reddy 18 Dec 2012, 10:40
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The people with 5-10 yrs exp generally don't start own firms, but I think thats the ideal age, where come out of clutches of big daddy's without frustration ....
Sometimes 18 Dec 2012, 15:03
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Sometimes they do. TheTrilegal founders were all around 5-6 years qualified when they started, weren't they?
Anon 26 Dec 2012, 11:53
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Most of the Trilegal founders were 7-8 years qualified when they started the firm. Besides that, congratulations, Rishi, and I hope you do well.
KK 18 Dec 2012, 14:43
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Glad to see that Rishi has taken a daring call at the right time. With his immense potential and the right exposure, I am sure he is a success story in the making. Most of the first generation lawyers aspire what Rishi has been doing. Wish him and his team all the best.
prefer to be anony 19 Dec 2012, 04:53
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I would love to know this guy's background.

Whether his dad is also a lawyer, or whether he comes from a well networked family / politics etc.

not to take anything away from massive talent that he may have, but real world works a lot differently.

five years old in the profession and already has 4 juniors out of a 1200 sq office in south delhi ?

so maybe a report on his family background would be helpful whether he really is a risk taker entrepreneur or something else.
From the topunns!! 19 Dec 2012, 06:03
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[quote name="prefer to be anony"]I would love to know this guy's background.

Whether his dad is also a lawyer, or whether he comes from a well networked family / politics etc.

not to take anything away from massive talent that he may have, but real world works a lot differently.

five years old in the profession and already has 4 juniors out of a 1200 sq office in south delhi ?

so maybe a report on his family background would be helpful whether he really is a risk taker entrepreneur or something else.[/quote]

...And you ask this why?

Jealous much?
prefer to be anony 19 Dec 2012, 13:21
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[quote name="From the topunns!!"][quote name="prefer to be anony"]I would love to know this guy's background.

Whether his dad is also a lawyer, or whether he comes from a well networked family / politics etc.

not to take anything away from massive talent that he may have, but real world works a lot differently.

five years old in the profession and already has 4 juniors out of a 1200 sq office in south delhi ?

so maybe a report on his family background would be helpful whether he really is a risk taker entrepreneur or something else.[/quote]

...And you ask this why?

Jealous much?[/quote]

No, not jealous. That was not my point.

my point was when one starts one's own practice, he/she has to look at various sources from where one gets clients/cases.
5 years in multiple law firms is too short a time for establishing reputation for getting good legal work.

So there has to be another source from where one gets cases/ clients. that is why I asked.

The story should let the readers know the realities of the profession. thats all.
From the topunns!! 20 Dec 2012, 05:32
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[quote name="prefer to be anony"][quote name="From the topunns!!"][quote name="prefer to be anony"]I would love to know this guy's background.

Whether his dad is also a lawyer, or whether he comes from a well networked family / politics etc.

not to take anything away from massive talent that he may have, but real world works a lot differently.

five years old in the profession and already has 4 juniors out of a 1200 sq office in south delhi ?

so maybe a report on his family background would be helpful whether he really is a risk taker entrepreneur or something else.[/quote]

...And you ask this why?

Jealous much?[/quote]

No, not jealous. That was not my point.

my point was when one starts one's own practice, he/she has to look at various sources from where one gets clients/cases.
5 years in multiple law firms is too short a time for establishing reputation for getting good legal work.

So there has to be another source from where one gets cases/ clients. that is why I asked.

The story should let the readers know the realities of the profession. thats all.[/quote]

My dear friend- Realities of the profession are talent, ability to work hard, manage your team and most importantly the ability to network and use your contacts to a mutual advantage. That is the reality of the profession today. No single facet can be viewed in isolation if one has to succeed in the legal world today.

That this youngster has taken this step- an entrepreneurial one of removing those golden handcuffs (as rightly put by someone else on here)and stepped out in the sun to establish his own practice is credible enough!
prefer to be anony 19 Dec 2012, 13:26
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[quote name="From the topunns!!"][quote name="prefer to be anony"]I would love to know this guy's background.

Whether his dad is also a lawyer, or whether he comes from a well networked family / politics etc.

not to take anything away from massive talent that he may have, but real world works a lot differently.

five years old in the profession and already has 4 juniors out of a 1200 sq office in south delhi ?

so maybe a report on his family background would be helpful whether he really is a risk taker entrepreneur or something else.[/quote]

...And you ask this why?

Jealous much?[/quote]

And whats wrong in asking ?
Lawyer, Delhi 19 Dec 2012, 07:41
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He has a humble background and is a self made first generation professional – I have known him for years now. However, he is very well connected be it politically, professionally or with the regulators.
prefer to be anony 19 Dec 2012, 13:26
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[quote name="Lawyer, Delhi"]He has a humble background and is a self made first generation professional – I have known him for years now. However, he is very well connected be it politically, professionally or with the regulators.[/quote]

humble background and well connected ? in the same sentence ?

Well then. he belongs to a pretty lonely club.

a guy with five years experience (considering he spent substantial time at these firms) would not by himself have the time to "network" with politicians, professionals "and" regulators.

So there has to be background. parents/ relatives etc., by not giving this detail, a lot is being said. without saying it.
professional 19 Dec 2012, 16:17
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I agree clients do not travel that easily with break away lawyers....they have faith in the firms name i.e. AMSS and not the executing team....setting up a practice is not a easy task....still he has taken the step ...i wish him luck for his future endeavors.
From the topunns!! 20 Dec 2012, 05:29
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[quote name="prefer to be anony"][quote name="Lawyer, Delhi"]He has a humble background and is a self made first generation professional – I have known him for years now. However, he is very well connected be it politically, professionally or with the regulators.[/quote]

humble background and well connected ? in the same sentence ?

Well then. he belongs to a pretty lonely club.

a guy with five years experience (considering he spent substantial time at these firms) would not by himself have the time to "network" with politicians, professionals "and" regulators.

So there has to be background. parents/ relatives etc., by not giving this detail, a lot is being said. without saying it.[/quote]

Whats the harm? Its not the first time. Making contacts and keeping them alive is a difficult task and if this guy has accomplished that and wishes to use the same to an advantage then so be it- more power and all the best to him.

Like i asked... Jealous much?
Dazed and Confused 19 Dec 2012, 06:34
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Cheaper, less-experienced advisors for "lower tier work." That's a plan?

The high-level and low-level departures from AMSS show people of all experience levels willing to practically chew their legs off to get free of the golden handcuffs of AMSS. The market is maturing!
No Country for Intelligent Men 19 Dec 2012, 07:40
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AMSS:

Amen to Making Secessionists out of Successful lawyers
Bombay duck 19 Dec 2012, 12:56
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This is like a 2 year old lawyer trying to be a heart surgeon. Doesn't even know what the insides of an operation theatre look like ! Amss is lucky to get rid of these ober zealous quacks
O Maley 19 Dec 2012, 12:58
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You're watching too much Grey's Anatomy
@ Bombil 19 Dec 2012, 19:57
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What about the over zealous quacks (including some so called salaried partners) who continue to stay on in AMSS and consistently give wrong advise?
Anon 20 Dec 2012, 10:26
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[quote name="Bombay duck"]This is like a 2 year old lawyer trying to be a heart surgeon. Doesn't even know what the insides of an operation theatre look like ! Amss is lucky to get rid of these ober zealous quacks[/quote]

Agree with O Maley! What a douche!
blueboy 31 Dec 2012, 05:05
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lower tier work? when LI itself reports the shockingly low deal size work amss has recently done for small shop clients? come on. let's think before we write. besides, let us be respectful to him and to work geenrally. and how is work first tier just coz it is done for a family controlled big firm?
Consulting Baba 8 Jan 2013, 12:07
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Good Luck to Rishi.. he joins a few new lawyers starting up their own work and delivering quality work for a fee which is less blood sucking from the big fat horses out there..

More younglings there should be in this, bring down the bloodsuckers, we must...