Cyril: Foreign firms by 2019? | FT gets up close & personal with the Shroffs

The Financial Times’ Mumbai correspondent James Crabtree visits Amarchand Mumbai’s top husband and wife team Cyril and Vandana Shroff at their home, documenting their symbiotic working relationship, decorating nous and fondness for all things elephant-themed, for the business paper’s House & Home supplement. And it’s certainly more candid than anything that has appeared on the family in a domestic national newspaper.

The article is therefore definitely worth a read for anyone interested in the closest thing Indian corporate law has to a royal family. Two excerpts, ranging from interpersonal to the macro:

“The couple have a habit of finishing each other’s sentences, although in conversation Cyril’s manner is courtly and precise, while his wife can be more barbed – a stylistic difference that extends to their respective working styles as well. “It can ruffle feathers,” she admits. “I am a straight shooter, and blunt. Most people like to pussyfoot.”

A common friend came to us a while back, wanting advice,” says Cyril, by way of an example. “And I gave him the pros and the cons,” he says, before Vandana interjects, “ … and two pages of bullshit.” Cyril continues: “And she met him for just 30 seconds and said, just do this. And so he did that, and it worked out well.” […]

Still, he rebuffs the suggestion that family ownership will limit his company’s expansion plans, even when it faces new competition from international legal groups, which he expects to be allowed into India’s market “towards the end of this decade”. Amarchand already has 89 partners, says Cyril, almost all of whom are not family members, while its family heritage provides advantages in a country where most businesses also remain family-owned.

“These are relationships of trust, built up over a long period of time, when you know each other and you know what you stand for,” says Cyril. “We are a repository of many a secret … but you have to keep them. They’re not your secrets to reveal.”

[Source article at FT (requires free registration to view)]

Comments

trident 18 May 2014, 10:06
+5 -0
Midtown Mumbai? They could have just named the suburb!
And featured their cars as well !!
Puff piece 18 May 2014, 10:48
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Cyril, the sad truth is that people, including your clients, are gradually realising that your firm isn't the end-all - to expertise and high-quality service. In any case, those are values that a fair majority of your lawyers fail to go by, given the time they dedicate to client-concerns. You chaps continue to miss the growing reputation that AMSS is fast-gaining to attain, of that of a family-run, PSU-like enterprise, and little more..
Petty 18 May 2014, 14:18
+5 -28
and yet AMSS is involve in every big ticket deal!

Are you from one of those competing law firms hoping that this maligning would induce the clients to look elsewhere? AMSS is a powerhouse and instead of passing derogatory remarks work towards building your firms potential to compete with AMSS!
Biiter reality 20 May 2014, 07:14
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Ramblings of an Amarchand Associate:
http://www.geocities.ws/kream77/amarchand.html

Departure of MP Bharucha:
http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-mum-on-split-m-p-bharucha-takes-law-into-his-hands-1157744
Rofl 20 May 2014, 07:04
+9 -0
Well said. The man has the cheek to compare his firm to Slaughter and May!! Delusions of grandeur. The truth is, law firms in India are not led by professionals and they do not train their recruits to be professionals. Comparison with London's Magic Circle firms is laughable. Being professional is not just about being available or about turnaround time or about power dressing.
SZH 18 May 2014, 11:55
+4 -1
Sad!
Old friend 18 May 2014, 14:03
+3 -36
Very warm piece on a genuinely nice couple who are the heart and brain of amarchand. The best face of the indian lawyers to the world.
LOL 18 May 2014, 18:00
+17 -2
Genuinely nice? Guess you have never worked in AMSS or met someone who does/ did.
Reality 19 May 2014, 06:18
+3 -6
[quote name="LOL"]Genuinely nice? Guess you have never worked in AMSS or met someone who does/ did.[/quote]

If you claim people are unhappy at AMSS why hasn't any big partner left. At partner level in recent years attrition is near zero.
LOL 19 May 2014, 08:03
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How many "Big Partners" are there in AMSS outside the family (Ashwath, Viswanathan, I am struggling to find another name)? In any event, when the market was far more mobile AMSS kept losing "big partners" (the Bharuchas, Rahul Guptan)... and I think its a fallacy to say the partners stick to AMSS because of the genuine niceness of the Shroffs... AMSS has a lot of thinks going for it... the personal likeability of the Shroffs (at least one of them) is not one of them...
Vroom 20 May 2014, 06:16
+1 -3
BHojani, Yash, Santosh in Bombay for sure
The real truth 20 May 2014, 07:11
+1 -0
This is what happens when an organization values loyalty over merit. Small partners leave because they are unhappy. The big partners don't leave because they have earned their loyalty stripes. After the "CLB incident" in which the CLB slammed Amarchand, did the "big partner" Bhalla get any flax? No.

Amarchand has few BIG equity partners so lets look at it as a percentage, rather than as a "near zero" number. Bharuchas left, despite MP Bharucha being the top partner after Cyril. Ciccu left, despite being head of litigation. They sowed their plans "long term" and quit when they reaped. There can't be any bigger names, except maybe "star" Rahul Guptan, who left for Clifford Chance.
ABC 20 May 2014, 14:48
+2 -1
you forgot Sumesh, Vinati and Madhu from Delhi office
Insider 18 May 2014, 14:04
+1 -24
The contribution of Cyril and vandana in shaping amarchand in enormous, the article should also have mentioned more about their tremendous professional achievements. Nonetheless, a very cute piece.
Thanks. 18 May 2014, 14:05
+4 -3
Thanks kian for posting this. We would not have known otherwise.
bubba 19 May 2014, 03:40
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Entire piece is here http://m.ft.com/cms/s/2/3673f23c-d602-11e3-a239-00144feabdc0.html
bubba 19 May 2014, 05:57
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Sorry..Doesn't work. Just google news cyril shroff and the entire article will be accessible
Dazed 19 May 2014, 05:50
+0 -0
Where does it say anything about Foreign firms in 2019? :/
kianganz 19 May 2014, 05:52
+1 -1
Here :)

[quote]Still, he rebuffs the suggestion that family ownership will limit his company’s expansion plans, even when it faces new competition from international legal groups, which he expects to be allowed into India’s market “towards the end of this decade”.[/quote]
Dazed 19 May 2014, 09:29
+0 -0
Hmm. Mentioned very flippantly. But to make it the article heading? Bit misleading, no?
kianganz 19 May 2014, 10:51
+5 -2
If Cyril Shroff says publicly, in whatever context, that he thinks that foreign firms will be allowed into India this decade, that's certainly newsworthy (more so even than the FT doing a nice family profile), since this is the first time that I'm aware he's actually publicly put a timeline on it (though if Lalit Bhasin were to say the same, it'd be even bigger news).

Considering the Shroffs' close ties to the new government and their traditional opposition to the entry of foreign firms, this is certainly significant and allows for some speculation. Perhaps Cyril Shroff / Amarchand now feel that the firm is strong enough to take on the foreign firms, or perhaps they know that in any case the point is moot with the incoming BJP government, which is unlikely to make any moves towards liberalisation this term?
Guest 19 May 2014, 07:20
+9 -0
And in 2019 he will say foreign firms will be allowed in by 2029
law firm lawyer 19 May 2014, 06:37
+5 -3
Wat carp is being printed. R u guys short of legal news!!!
Magic Square 19 May 2014, 07:29
+11 -0
Despite the election results, dynastic rule is alive and well in other parts of the land!
Circle 19 May 2014, 08:04
+11 -0
yes and with the dynastic melbandhan with another dynasty which will be at the forefront in the next 5 years.. AMSS is ideally poised...
Guest 19 May 2014, 12:39
+2 -0
Dynastic melbandhan, good one and well said!
Vroom 20 May 2014, 06:19
+3 -1
remember reading about 'conquests by matrimonial alliances" in history books! :-)
Guest 24 May 2014, 09:03
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AMSS the real winner of this elections