there is a video, ive seen it. but from what i understand on twitter discussion on it, a boy and girl were talking, he was leaving and she tried to stop him so he turned around and kicked her in the stomach, twice.

people were saying she cheated or something but that's immaterial. ill put the video link in the comments once i find it.

No, I am not dense, I am actually trying to engage with what you have said despite the fact that it is irrelevant to my original post, i.e., that arguments attacking jgls politics SOLELY based on the identity of the chancellor, or the background of its students, are not valid. You may have an issue with the politics itself taking place at jgls (and 99% of cases involving elite academic institutions - that is not whataboutery but the literal truth) and if you actually read my responses you would see that I agreed with your criticisms about the performativity in these circles. I guess your nlu/male-driven superiority complex won't let you admit that your points are irrelevant so keep at it with your tirades like a broken record, i'm out - my original message stands, loud and clear, to everyone reading it!!!

RIP to two girl students, Khyaati and Jiya. 🙏

There have been other car accidents in the history of Jindal, also resulting in fatalities. Those of you who have been to Sonipat will know how unsafe the roads are and how indisciplined the drivers are. High time the government does something.
https://www.jagran.com/haryana/sonipat-ncr-two-students-of-sonipat-jindal-university-died-in-road-accident-23659631.html

https://haryana.punjabkesari.in/haryana/news/two-students-of-jindal-university-died-in-a-road-accident-1945189

All achievable. You need to make (and maintain for about 10 years) equity in one of the larger US law firms (i.e. your 45 year target). If magic circle, then you need to make and maintain equity for about 15 years (i.e. your 50 year target). So ‘a lot’ of non-nepo Indian lawyers may not be able to live this life, but more can than one would believe possible. Aim high. Best of luck!

Good grief. 14 crores at 4% after tax gives you 56 lakhs of post tax income a year. Seems considerably more than what it should cost to live a decent middle class life in India, methinks. Lifestyle expectation creep is all pervasive now. Of course, if you spend 10 of those 14 crores buying a house, all bets are off.

It’s not a perception thing at all. On average, only some 25-30% of the top 100 ranks in CLAT crack AILET as well. So for many of these NLS kids, NLUD wasn’t a choice. NALSAR was a choice but it seems people still prefer NLS. And honestly, NLS has a better location, more alumni and much superior faculty. NALSAR also has some 160+ students in each batch now. So, they’re only marginally better than NLS on the batch size front. The top 3 to 4 NLUs continue to remain NLS>NLUD>NALSAR>NUJS/NLUJ.

I am in a tier 1 firm. I have this friend in office. I find her really attractive. We say hi to each other, talk for like 5 minutes max a day. We’re kinda like acquaintances. I have tried flirting but she doesn’t seem interested. So I have just distanced myself, in order to not make her uncomfortable. Has an office romance worked out for anyone in our field? Can someone help me ask her out? I want to do it in a respectful manner, don’t want to make her uncomfortable. But, all plans I try to make of us hanging out outside the office, they fail.

Yeah the same way they released fake placement statistics and then had to remove the data from the website after being exposed grandly on legally india

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/202434-placement-statistics-came-out

Kuch to sharam kar lo

Yale admits around 250 jd students a year and Stanford around 350 . none of these top universities only admit less than 100 students for their first law degree course every year. Advanced degree courses like PhD and LLM are different. pretenting that 80 students a year is a sustainable or responsible model in a country much more populous than the US is ridiculous.

That’s a complete joke. T1 recruiters are all well aware that NLUD is superior to GNLU and NLUJ. It’s because NLUD has a smaller batch size and lesser students interested in corporate placements. So recruiters don’t have the option here. And more importantly, alumni could also play a role and NLUD has only recently started producing partners at T1 law firms.

Reading LI makes me sad to see how the conversations here are reduced to showoff, glitz and glamour, fancy parties, apartments, watches etc.

Its nice to have a good house, a good car and a good watch, but is it that significant enough that people actively discuss this online with fellow lawyers as to how they should spend their bundles of cash? Is this what I will be reduced to in the future as well?

I make decent enough money, I still have a Timex on my wrist, a motorcycle that I love and an iPhone 13. I have never felt excluded, neither had the urge to overspend what I can not afford. Why do people here so frequently do the opposite? What about love? What about Friends? What about family? Is money everything?

If it is, then God help me. I cant wait to leave this profession.

Hi there,

Thank you for providing such a lucid & comprehensive response. Could you please throw some insights on the Aptitude test conducted by ALG. Is it a pen & paper test or like a computer based online test? Also, the essay writing part in their test... is it related to IP only or is it generic?

IITD does not have a full-fledged law department yet. It is only a COE focussing on Tech Law. For admissions, if you have qualified JRF/NET you are eligible for a direct interview. Nowadays if one has a 4-year (or more) UG degree with an overall percentage of 75% and above (or equivalent CGPA) she/he is eligible for direct admission to a Ph.D. program (i.e. without a Master's degree). You must remember that now we have a 10+2+4 system across all subjects and disciplines.

We have two competing groups, the campus dogs and relocate campus dogs. Now having dogs are cute, but we have 21 of them. They have been biting students for the last 3 semesters. They recently moved 13 of the dogs because the honorable Vice president was coming to campus. All said and done we were okay, with half a dozen puppies for a while. But alas, someone reached out to Maneka Gandhi's office and the terror is back. NLUJ students planning a full protest after mid semester examination.

Shall be Frank as a senior who has done BA LLB, we have some great BA professors in economics and history where Dr. Om Prakash and Dr. Chitra have more than 20 years under their belt. If you put in even half the effort that you have put in 12th, you will get an 8 or 8.5+ GPA. The issue is, you lose track of academics due to the variety of distractions and also freedom, a residential University provides you with. Your grades are in your hands.

Reading DD Basu's Introduction to the Constitution of India should be good enough for you to get a general idea about law in India. Legality by Scott Shapiro is also a good introduction to the more 'intellectual' parts of law.

By the way, why do you recent NLS students (like the guy who apparently left NLS for Jindal), fret so much about joining NLS? When I was seeking admissions to law schools, NLS used to be our dream!

Hope this helps.

I am confused. On the one hand, you seem to think having "sombre" colleagues is a downside, but on the other hand, you want a "culturally incredible" team with colleagues that respect your personal boundaries.

Bro, make up your mind. If you don't want to live at work, this will involve actively limiting your involvement at work / with work colleagues, to what is necessary for work. If you want colleagues you can have fun with and share your life story with, you are probably going to waste a lot of time at work and end up there for long hours.

Other advice - write down a list of criteria you care about, i.e work life balance, professional growth, etc. Write down a relevance score for each (i.e - a relevance score of 5 out 5 means this criteria is a non negotiable and a relevance score of 1 or 2 out of 5 means you can live without it). Now, in the third column, write down the score that each team would get on that criteria, standalone - i.e - from your description it looks it RMs team would score low on career growth. Now multiply the relevance score with the team score for that criteria to arrive an overall score for that team / per criteria. Add up the score of each team under all the criteria and viola - you have a mathematical answer.

Or fuck it and decide on vibes.

The cities in North India are a mess when it comes to these calculations. If you belong to a middle or lower caste/community, you'll likely face various forms of discrimination. Even in cities like Delhi, inter-caste/community mingling predominantly involves those from higher castes/communities. It's wrong to think that this regressive mindset solely comes from older generations; India's hypergamous culture intertwines caste/community, which is appalling.

Am I exaggerating? Here’s a social experiment for you. Visit a marriage bureau. Pick any. Have a conversation with them. Your experience will speak for itself.

If you aren't a Brahmin, Punjabi, Sindhi, Rajput, or at most a baniya, Delhi sure as hell isn't for you. The exceptions make the norm. Wake up, smell the coffee, and quit this chutiyapa of a country.

My screenshots aren't actually getting pasted for some reason, nevertheless here is a text version of the data:

Number of Top 10 rankers

NLSIU 5

NALSAR 2

GNLU 1

Not in the Counseling Process 2

Number of Top 100 Rankers

NLSIU 85

NALSAR 4

GNLU 1

Not in the Counseling Process 10

Excluding students who left the counseling process;

NLSIU: 85 out of 90 students, accounting for 94.44%.

NALSAR: 4 out of 90 students, representing 4.44%.

GNLU: 1 out of 90 students, constituting 1.11%.

Vacancy Rates

- NLSIU: 13 seats vacated, 300 students admitted, vacancy rate 4.33%.

- NALSAR: 16 seats vacated, 135 students admitted, vacancy rate 11.85%.

- NUJS: 10 seats vacated, 108 students admitted, vacancy rate 9.26%.

- NLIU: 19 seats vacated, 114 students admitted, vacancy rate 16.67%.

- GNLU: 18 seats vacated, 172 students admitted, vacancy rate 10.47%.

PS: Why is my original post marked as contested? This data has been sourced from the consortium's website.

Non smoker/ non drinker here. (M)

This resonates me too. I’ve noticed the easiest way for people to fit in is to pick up a glass of wine and instantly feel part of the “cultured” or “elite” group. Won’t say every drinker is pretentious though. Lot of people just had a hectic day, and they are looking to wind down/ get immediate relief by downing some drinks. Also, the drinks lobby has probably spent million of dollars in marketing to convince us that - drinking is the most adult and acceptable way to wind down when you have a high paying serious corporate job.

I’m thinking of opening an anti smoker lawyer club. Will drop merch like anti social social club. Thinking of hosting parties/ having a community for sober people. Will have same music and same vibe, but will just replace alcohol with non- alcoholic drinks. I mean Why should drinkers have all the fun?

Fun fact: The drinking trend has hugely picked up in India, whereas abroad lot of people are moving away from drinking.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/29/mocktails-non-alcoholic-sober-bar

https://apnews.com/article/sober-bars-no-alcohol-bars-fd1204932488adda0909ec19fcfbcd5e

Non drinkers / non smokers - let me know if there are enough of you out there for the idea to be feasible. Will try to launch something by end of the year basis responses.

So what? Are you saying that people will always migrate back to their alma if you offer them a better place to work at? Basically all these people left NLUD because it is now a shadow of what it was under Ranbir Singh. I also see that you have conveniently skipped Arul. Or Harpreet. Nor did NLUD get any equivalent replacement for any of these good faculty. Currently there is no difference in quality between the faculty of NLUD and most other NLUs. It is not a matter to shut your eyes down against, but to acknowledge and solve.

Sudhir has increased the batch strength more than once in the last five years. So far, there is no data to support that NLS has been getting a better placement compared to NALSAR or NUJS. It didn't have any better placement even with a 70 strong batch over the last few years, let alone 300 strong batch.

- 4BHK luxury apartment in Mumbai: Possible only for the richest partners, as they cost 25-30 cr upwards

- BMW/Merc: Possible for all partners, since you can get one for only 1 cr

- Lamborghini: Possible only for top-level partners, as they usually cost 6-7 cr upwards

- Glamorous wife: Depends. Some girls chase money, some don't.

- Children in US college: Possible for all and nowadays pretty much everyone sends their son to the US for an undergrad

- Cigars, watches, MF Hussain paintings: Affordable for all, but not all together.

Correct. They take up smoking to copy celebs. In the case of girls, as OP says, it's seen as cool, but it's actually cringe. They are trying to be wannabe Bella Hadids, who herself is a wannabe. There are celebs who have 1000 times the talent than her who don't smoke, such as Billie Ellish and Zendaya.

Hi Quantifier, thanks for sharing and sorry that posting a table was not possible. It is hard to reconstruct the table as pasted from the post above, could you maybe take a screenshot of the original table from Google Sheets and see if you can paste it into a reply to this post?

Towards the end of last year people were asked to pull their socks up and work harder and certain people were talked to in a tone which told them that they were no longer wanted. As a result most of those certain people left. Now this year quite a few people are left/in the process of leaving/planning to be with a partner who left last year to work at a different law firm. Now there are promises that remuneration will be made par. Can people working there confirm this? Are people s jobs who got placed through internships secure? Is the S&R ship sinking? There seems to be a lot of discontentment amongst the mid to senior levels. What is happening at S&R?

Work in another disputes team at CAM but one thing I’ve noticed is that he sits in the office till 10 with his associates getting all the work done. Don’t see that in too many partners in CAM, many leave between 5 and 7. Also he seems to have matters daily which isn’t common in a law firm disputes setup.

That article is not worth the toilet paper it was written on

It is speculative and has been proven wrong on all counts by what happened

1. Nujs ordered by writ courts to issue certificates (which it has failed to do so far, contempt petition against VC ans registrar personally being heard)

2. Arbitration by ipleaders won, 80 lakhs compensation already paid and 50 lakhs more under litigation

3. NUJS lost out its entire distance education revenue- this primarily helped NLS Bangalore to rule the roost in distance education space. Also fee of nujs students is much higher due to this.

So congratulations es sja prez you got several articles published, wrote in tinder bio about your actvism, hope it was worth it

But time has proven you wrong.

coming from a science background doesnt necessarily put you at a disadvantage. Wouldnt put it in terms of survival because it really aint all that dramatic. Every year there are about the same number of science/ commerce/ arts students at NLUs.

If you want to desperately get a head start- you could try to learn macro and micro economics. Some of that stuff is hard to crack when in law school. and maybe intro to sociology- the theory is dense. But you dont have to do any of it. Everyone starts law school in the same place.

Law is the most pretentious of all professions. People will smoke and drink just because it looks cool in the movies. I dont smoke but I do accompany colleagues who smoke just to go for a walk and stretch my legs and have a short chat lol. Don't smoke just to fit in, you can fit in without smoking too (although you might have to smoke passively in the process lol).

I am a 2nd year non-nlu student. Can anyone guide me on how to go about publications for the first time. Which publications should I send to as a beginner? And should I just send my work, according to guidelines, to journals that are posted on lawctopus and all ? Do I have to keep some important points in mind while publishing?

Don't worry I had a gap of 10 years due to competitive exams and mental health issues, and I am working in a top firm now. Here's a few things you need to keep in mind; first, it's fine to have a gap, just don't hide it, otherwise when you get caught it will be bad; second, you will be competing with people younger than you, and the ones of same age will have more experience than you, so you have to give more than expected; third, don't have any expectations and start small, start from a low ranking firm and then build you way up, what you need now is experience on CV and nothing more; and lastly, you know the gap, the others don't, it's your burden, but that doesn't mean you still have to carry it, after a few years work, you will have no problem for further employment.

Coming to your question. Join a 3 year LLB and don't just study but work along with it. Publications and internships galore. All the best.

I would say NUS if you can work and live in Singapore post that and get a PR/citizenship. Super safe, clean and disciplined country, always on the rise unlike Australia whom no one really cares about anymore, great place to raise children and extremely close to India so you can always attend events, functions and parties here. Additionally, lot more Indians in Singapore than Sydney.

Read the Class 11 & 12 NCERTs of Economics, Political Science, History, and Sociology. Not literature by any standards but it will get you exactly at par with your batchmates from humanities. I studied these for another exam after Boards and I'm a top 10 ranker in a top 5 NLU now.

I would also suggest you browse through the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy page and read any topics which catch your eye. Read up about top philo and jurisprudence thinkers (just Google search and then read about their main ideas - Wikipedia isn't a bad starting point) and key conflicts in legal theory like the Hart-Fuller debate. Also learn about legal schools like realism, originalism, critical legal studies, etc. This will help you get to the level of drop year students who were interested in these or partial drop students who may have studied all these.

Additionally, and this is something I didn't do but really really wish I did, is to get into the habit of reading legal blogs (IndConLawPhil, LAOT, IndiaCorpLaw) on a weekly, if not daily basis. Stay up to date on legal and political issues - follow LiveLaw/Bar&Bench daily. Read reputed magazines like The Economist (get a subscription).

Hope this helps. All the best!

I'm a final year law student at an average private college. My area of interest is GC/M&A, I have decent internships at tier 2 firms mostly. My CV is pretty decent, nothing outstanding but it's not at all bad either.

I was on assessment at a tier 2 firm but at the end they didn't hire us assessment people for some internal reason.

I have 0 internships or anything else lined up right now. My future seems pretty bleak to me as of now. No offers of any sort in my hand right now.

I do not have any connections in the industry either.

Also, most of the firms that i reach out to just reply with a standard hr reply starting with unfortunately... U can guess the rest.

A big number of places are not even hiring right now.

So right now I'm going through a very difficult phase, having a lot of anxiety and panic attacks. I am clueless as to what should i do now.

Can someone please help me out, if anyone could provide any leads of any places hiring right now or even give me some general tips on how to get out of this rut. Anyone who's been in this situation before and made it out, please give me some tips.

To be honest i feel like a loser right now. So please help me out give me any insights you can.

Yeah, your field is tough bro and one does need a tough skin to survive it. This “Managing Partner” of yours has been embarrassing himself for the past almost 10 years with every “opportunity” and driving the “firm” into the ground. A classic example of how nepotism can ruin something good. But worry not 2024 isn't his either and he has himself to thank for it.