Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Because the person in the village is not being discriminated against because of his income, he's being discriminated against because of his caste identity. The ones discriminating them doesn't care about the income because they see them below then anywhich way.

Now, there is another concept of intersectionality, there are layers of discrimination, one a clear one being of poverty, but affirmative action is not the solution for that, there are other poverty alleviation schemes by the government from which the rich Dalits could easily be exempted. But the scheme which is made for removing discrimination cannot have income as a determining factor

Because statistically, people from sc st communities are so far behind in terms of education and opportunities that there are not enough of them filling the forms and qualifying for those seats and thus the seats go vacant.

Now you would think that if they're not able to crack the exams then they don't deserve it, but that's not the case. Most of them are the first generation to even get formal education to this date, they are amongst the poorest in the country, the lack of resources in all terms is way high.just because all of us know that one rich sc st person doesn't mean the entire community is rich. You can literally just look at the govt data and see the percentage od people even able to get proper education.

Now the point about the president's son, the thing we need to understand is that a Sc/ST person doesn't get discriminated only because they don't have the money or the resources, they get discriminated even after having all of that because the oppressor communities don't care about how much money you have in your bank account, they hardcore believe that they are smaller than them and this deserve less.

Simple Google search will take you to multiple articles showing Dalits in power being openly oppressed by the uc communities. A dalit sarpanch was paraded naked by the uc people in the village just because of her caste identity, it didn't matter to them that she was a woman in power and she had decent money as well.

Yawn🥱 just some haters jealous of NLSIU and of Menaka's success. The same lot criticises Sudhir, GShanks and Lawrence for the same reason. Learn to appreciate other's achievements instead of being jealous!

And FYI nothing wrong in representing the WB govt. The ruling party is a member of the liberal INDIA Alliance, which is the last defence for secular, liberal values in the face of the fascist assault by the BJP. Do you want her to represent the Modi govt instead?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01672-7

How prevalent is this in the law discipline?

This has a significant impact as this is an important factor for faculty hiring, promotion, and tenure.

Partner designation does not really mean anything in India, you are still an associate with similar issues as an associate, of course it gets better but not really.

Plus the higher you go the more difficult it becomes to switch to another firm. Indian law firm market, especially at the top, is really small, imagine you are a partner in Debt Practice in a Tier 1 Firm, very few firms would match your salary, and if you are trying to shift will try to derive the best deal for that firm so it is even worse than a golden handcuff type scenario.

Outside India the market is quite big and firms are more professional. In my experience indian law firms are lala type, sex/drug cults or one maniac running the shiz.

I mean. Yeah. I’m not a gender conforming person. I’m often mistaken for a man. It doesn’t bother me. Older butch lesbians are often “misgendered” it doesn’t bother them. I’m not a lesbian but many people have asked if I am - it didn’t bother me.

Mark ruffalo and Johnny galecki were constantly asked if they were gay - they just went “ so what if I am ?”

If being trans isn’t shameful - why would the queer movement align themselves and support someone who has blatantly stated that it is ? What khelif has said is much much worse than anything the terfs have said.

“Recognised for woman “and all that - I don’t know if we have a right to force others to perceive us as we wish. In any case I don’t think the sex question is settled at all and plenty of evidence has been shown that a cheek swab genetic test should have been done before medals were awarded.

An IPS officer in Rajasthan from the Dalit community was given police escort because upper caste sanghis were preventing his wedding procession to pass from their street as he was riding a horse. And yes the well off too suffer from untouchability. There are many such cases, use Google instead of trolling here with the viewpoints that have been passed down your family through generations.

How is the PPO process like? Any tips on how to connect with partners, quality/quantity of work you need to do/show etc.?

Any info on the PPO process will be extremely helpful. Also do they only hand out PPOs to RCC peeps or do they consider individual applications - does it even make a difference if your performance is good?

Hello!

I am a recent Law (LLB) graduate from a top 20 law school in the UK. I am back home in India until December'24-January'25, after which I will be going back to London (hopefully) with a training contract or a job in the UK. I am looking for short-term paralegal roles for these few empty months but have a few questions. Some context- This was my first degree, so right after my 12th I went to the UK to study. I have not done any bachelors in India. I am not qualified in India to practice and would not be able to register until I get 2 years of work ex, so that my degree (3 years) and work experience (2 years) can replicate the 5 year LLB in India.

I have frequented LegallyIndia to brush up on advice for the Indian Legal Market from a student/applicant perspective because to be quite honest, I am clueless. Between some saying you need contacts for paralegalship at T1-T3 firms to some saying they only accept Mumbai grads, I am super confused. I guess it doesn't help my case, at least when applying here, that I am a UK graduate. Most smaller fronts don't accept my application as they don't see me to be fit enough for Indian law. I am currently at a small front (that I got through a contact) on assessment but thinking of leaving because for the past week (9am to 9pm) I have only photocopied applications... I dont know if this sounds cocky but I didn't go through 3 years of insanity, that is the UK LLB, to photocopy man. I just feel undervalued and would rather atleast gain some experience, even with low or no pay, for my future. Currently, neither am I getting paid, nor am I learning anything. Truly feels like a waste of time and god only knows what I will write on my CV for this opportunity if it goes on like this.

I have interned at a T2 firm in Delhi as well as under a sitting Delhi High Court Judge. I have also interned at a top construction and energy law firm in London. Graduated top 20% of my cohort, did alot of extra-curricular activities, holding many leadership roles in Uni, received the highest undergraduate extra-curricular award at my uni as well. However, I have been struggling to get my foot into the door at quite literally any firm in Delhi/GGN area. The one time I've cold-emailed SAM, CAM and Khaitan HR, CAM rejected me and SAM and Khaitan never replied. Unsure if such a cold-email approach is correct? Ive reached out to few associates, partners and business service professionals at T1-T3 firms on linkedin as well but again, 0 response.

I would appreciate any advice on this-- I could be wrong on this, but my assumption is that only T1-T3 opportunities would be the most accepting of me, considering alot of them have working relationships with London firms I am interest in. Naturally, they wouldn't be opposed to an international graduate?

What would the application for such roles be? would I have to intern for a month before I am considered for paralegalship or can I be a paralegal directly?

Literally any advice on my situation would be greatly greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much

And if we are talking about records, please show us a number of things: proof of your admission to the Oxford BCL, your transcript of results and your degree certificate for the BCL (showing your overall degree classification), your admission to the DPhil and proof of completion of your DPhil (ideally, degree certificate). For that matter, show us proof that you are/were a student at NLS at some point within the previous five years (and naturally, your transcript and degree certificate from there, if you have graduated). If you are unable to show us most (if not all) the proofs listed above, I think we can safely dismiss you as a troll; that doesn't mean you don't have the right to vomit up your bile, only that nobody need bother about you. If you can show the NLS proofs but not the Oxford ones, then, too, we can, will (and rightly should) dismiss you as a troll whose system is full of sour grapes. Again, you can yell from the rooftops all you like, but we will see no need to listen to you.

In the alternative, proofs of any other equally prestigious graduate study undertaken (Cambridge/LSE/UCL/KCL LLM + PhD, or American equivalents such as HLS/YLS LLM + SJD) will also be acceptable to Oxford ones.

There. I have explained the position as fully as I possibly can. I hope this is helpful.

Wow!! Questions about Sudhir's record now, eh? Best graduating student from NLS; a first in the BCL (nothing else would allow for admission to the DPhil at Oxford); fantastic academic connections in India and beyond; a list of publications which starts with an OUP book, but otherwise may not be as long or as fancy as some of us may have wished; loads of scholars who, in their writings, in their own names, have gone on the public record to thank Sudhir. I think that that record speaks for itself.

PS: As for the scandalous accusation, it doesn't deserve a response, but as I am back here, might as well give it one. I am not a current student of Sudhir, if that's what you think. And if he knew I was defending him, considering the circumstances, I think he would be very surprised indeed.

Tweet by ISKCON Vice President and spokesman yesterday (hashtags are his, not mine):

Hundreds of HINDU government officials are being threatened & forced to resign in #Bangladesh. Latest victim is Gautam Chandra Pal from Azimpur Government College. He was awarded the best Chemistry Teacher in #Bangladesh & now Muslim students forced him to resign. #HinduHatredInBangladesh#AllEyesOnBangladeshiHindus#SaveBangladeshiHindus

https://x.com/RadharamnDas/status/1825854503666532776

So you're saying that if a large part of the world starts calling you a transperson from tomorrow though you aren't, then you're not going to be angry at all? She's not claiming to be a liberal or progressive. She's a product of her culture. She's just insisting that she be recognised as a woman since she is.

If he could make cogent and convincing arguments, then he could have convinced the students about his perspective. As for myself, if I'm clearing all my exams and getting good grades under Sudhir's regime, and still being unable to frame arguments deemed acceptable by you, then you should blame the regime.

Justice Gavai, an SC himself, has rightly noted that a few privileged SC castes are cornering reservation. This is particularly true of certain North Indian SC castes that are electorally influential, as opposed to say SC castes from smaller states.

Also, today there are thousands of SC government officers and private sector employees, including alumni of IITs, IIMs and NLUs. Why should their children be treated the same as children of SC/STs whose parents Mike be drivers and maids?

The creamy layer concept is defined by one word: LOGIC.

Powai and Vasai have one drawback

Powai is a travelling hassle. Not so well connected (unless you're okay taking a to and fro taxi everyday)

Vasai- train travel will make the uninitiated CRY

Otherwise these are not bad options

Andheri/ Vile Parle, especially if you can manage some place closer to the railway station are decent

Read my initial comment - I clearly state “ this is not all your fault, it’s part of downstream effects of social media use”. I literally said it - it’s not my fault you cannot read.

What makes it more palatable to you is you don’t feel blamed when it’s phrased as companies doing something . But the honest fact is that it’s both companies and young people who refuse to listen to scientists and researchers and their parents and professors who might know better because their insta friends tell them how virtuous they are.

It’s like smoking. Yes tobacco companies did a lot to attract younger and younger people to cigarettes. But also if you’re coughing constantly and fatigued and you’re puking blood and your wife and kids hate it -maybe you should’ve known not to smoke three packs a day.

Instead of asking yourselves -“ why do I spend hours watching reels and have no attention span to read for class , why do I get so anxious when it comes to deadlines - what can I do to get better” - you’re trying to - on this thread - cancel the man who is bringing back some discipline to nls and trying to make sure you can be functional adults who are good lawyers. Because that is harder than spending your days spouting half learned garbage from social media and not actually working.

What makes a good argument is not how coddled your opponent might feel but how truthful and evidence based your claims are . Mine are truthful and evidence based - I’ve thought and read about this for some time.

I’m not freaking drafting some argument for a Supreme Court argument here. I wholly reject your condescension on that part- move on and go call someone else a nazi.

My argument hasn’t changed at all - the only reason you think it’s better is because you are accorded less agency and responsibility for your choices if you can just blame meta and insta instead of actually doing things to improve your situation. Learned helplessness through and through.

I hope you grow up one day to see how stupid you’ve been. But more than anything - I’m done talking with idiots about stuff we can all see. Go cancel your grandma for being a boomer.

A quick google search of their 'overseas offices' (Level 41, Emirates Towers, Sheikh Zayed Road, Dubai, UAE PO Box 31303 and 138 Market Street, #24-01 CapitaGreen, Singapore 048946) would tell you that these are rent-an-address type locations that thousands of companies use at a time and you can rent for a couple of dollars a month. (that address company is called ServCorp, quite scammy trick that businesses use to portray that they have a lot of international business). Make your assumptions as to how 'professional' it is now. The truth is that it is a great domestic Indian firm with young enthu professionals. That's it.

So are you trying to suggest that the immediate family members of the first person of this country and a person living in some village having a meagre income both from the same community/caste are at par when it comes to affirmative action, and the former should not be excluded?

Just because the words are changing doesn’t mean the argument is changing or the evidence is changing. Really just read Jon Haidt before you start calling people nazis. Social media companies are targeting young women to increase anxiety and insecurity. Pornography and video games are targeting young boys and keeping them from being motivated or having decent social skills. Young people across the world are falling for that because of the short term serotonin boost and not really thinking about whether the emotional fragility- anxiety and depression and learned helplessness is caused by all of this online behaviour and not because all adults are evil or because work is evil or capitalism is evil or their vice chancellor is evil.

I am a law graduate from an NLU. I am currently working in a law firm (Disputes team). I constantly feel that I have made a mistake, I used to like law as subject, even the internships were fun, as a working professional being in a relationship with legal profession and getting married to legal profession are two different things. I have long working hours, I feel like I am on an assembly line. With the passage of time I am becoming part of the crowd only; running to board a metro on time, office to court, court to office. I go to my flat just to get sleep and get ready for the next day. I feel like to try some other career options. I constantly ask myself have I wasted my 5 years? I wish I had a clarity of what to do, how sync in, how to be myself again. Saturday is working, on a sunday I don't like stepping a foot out. What the Fuck has happened to me. I used to go out have fun, go for treks, travel.

The state government does not have any choice to say that they won't be co-operating with every order as they are obliged to as case sub-judice before SC. Primarily, it is the state's fault in each and every aspect including but not limited to investigation, law and order( goons entering the hospital and vandalizing the hospital and destroying the scene of the crime), intimidating protestors by stifling their voice for deleting tweets and post through issue of Notice under Section 168 of the BNSS (Bharatiya Nagarik Suraksha Sanhita) 2023. Plz develop a spine

okay- but how is saying being transgender shameful and brings dishonour to ones family not transphobic? By your own logic Khelif is a cis straight woman- and she just said that being trans is shameful and brings dishonour. Is that something cis straight women should be able to say according to you? is that part of their free speech?

Relevant and genuine question. Were she and Arundhati Katju the lead counsels making the key arguments in the 377 case, or were they just saying yes to what the lead counsel was saying, as had happened yesterday? If the latter is true, then both the Time magazine honour and the Jefferson Medal should have been awarded to the lead counsel (Anand Grover, Shyam Divan, Saurabh Kirpal — whoever it was, I don’t know). If the idea was to award it to them purely because they are openly out of the closet, then it’s a different matter (although Saurabh Kirpal and the petitioner, Navtej Johar, are also openly out).

In the end, I do think it was a team effort involving many senior and junior counsels, plus NGOs. No one person should claim credit.

Thank you for brining this up. If I have to respectfully question your inference. Would KS or MG represent Yogi Adityanath? The question is not: Would you be okay with it?

I am sure you and I are no one to comment on it.

But would they represent the right or the far right as their clients? If they keep their 'personal ideologies' out of the equation when they are representing clients would MG, say for example, represent a client wanting to criminalise homosexuality.

*Again please do not get me wrong. I have friends, family members (inner circles) who are gay. I am not questioning 'being gay' but how does it play out when personal and public is all, as Bauman would say, 'liquid'.

I can't aling with this line of thinking that one act by the person should reveal 'what' they are. I am sorry.

I really want to understand what enables the left or the centrist to align with issues that if the 'right' had committed these (as in if this was a BJP run state or a sanghi would have done this) to realign their 'personal' ideologies.

I have, in-person, witnessed this happening in a top NLU (although I do not think that the students are either left or contrist) with the exit of a favoured VC. All allegations seemed to have taken a secondary consideration.

Look mate, as somebody pointed out, you are shifting goalposts. I think you might have some refreshing to do on how to draft arguments, along with some more thinking on what constitutes a good argument. I really don't think the way you phrased your original comment was wise or responsible; if you reflect maturely, you will surely admit that (any inability on your part to not do that would be very saddening indeed). This is a better way to argue your point - not just that, a better point to make.

Wow! You definitely need to be taught something about asking/phrasing specific questions! Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the ability to articulate a good question a key attribute of a minimally competent lawyer? Maybe, just maybe, you do have something to learn from Sudhir! My suggestion? Go find out!

The concept of creamy layer in reservation is not something statistically backed.

To begin with, discrimination against certain communities doesn't just happen because of their lack of money or decent jobs, it happens in any case. There are multiple cases of people in decent position from sc/st communities also getting discriminated against. The concept of reservation is to give them opportunities that were denied to the for years so that there is representation at the top. But that's not the case even now, there is no department where there is any significant representation from the Sc Sc community.

Sc has hardly 3 judges, there are less than 3 professors in IIMs, there is less than 5% representation in media houses, etc.

The seats reserved for sc st already go vacant, if there's a concept of creamy layer, a lot more seats will remain vacant and the process of uplifting will just become slow.

Stop giving sarcastic replies, had you given half of your brains for seeking jobs and internships, you would have been better placed. People like you have ruined the culture of RML and we 1st years have to suffer because you your incapacities to attract jobs.

Stop wasting your time bullying the juniors and think about your own future.