Person who posted the comment here.

Funnily enough, the founding partner of my firm just further echoed this and stated exactly what most people knew for ages on linkedin.

you can replace an a0, but you cant replace an SA.

problem is you cant get an SA without an A0 so A0s wont ever go away.

The only competitors to OpenAI, Anthropic, and Grok are chinese open source models (Kimi, Qwen, Deepseek etc.). Whatever regulations the US Government creates to slow down AI development will only affect them and not their chinese competition. Wouldn't asking for a state mandated slow-down actually give their Chinese competition a leg up instead of themselves?

Brother the humans, Buckmaster and Apologe, solved a different problem. They solved the force variant of the Euler Equations rather than the Navier-Stokes that OpenAI solved. The Euler equations are a simpler, idealised stepping stone (without viscosity) compared to the full Navier-Stokes equations. So even if we give the humans the benefit of the doubt, AI still took the solution of a simplified variant to a millennium prize winning solution. That's a meaningful contribution. The ethics of that are debatable because OpenAI didn't credit anyone, but I'm not arguing about that here.

Also a few days after this happened, 26 field medalists (equivalent to the Nobel Prize for mathematics) signed a letter saying how powerful (and mismanaged) AI use in Maths is. https://mathandai.org/

First line: "Over the last few months, the mathematical capabilities of LLMs have improved dramatically, to the point that they can solve major outstanding problems in many fields of mathematics."

These words aren't by AI doom trollers, they're literally by the leaders of the math research community. You still think AI is nothing serious to be worried about?

Hello, I am a 4th year, tier 3 NKU student, 7th sem student interning at LKS IP team. I have previously interned at Sai Krishna and after working in both areas realized that IP has no pay, the salary is pretty much the lowest in all firms across teams. I wish to switch to gen corp and mergers. I have one internship in Mergers otherwise no experience.

What should I do? Is this the right time or am I too late? Please lemme know

I mean in the context of campus activism: CAA, Umar Khalid, Palestine activism, Ambedkar Periyar study circle, Marx Lenin study circle etc. It's not that such issues didn't exist 10-20 years ago. Everyone I speak with says such campus activism was zero to low those days.

Another interesting point is that the lower tier NLUs seem politically disinterested in comparison. Or is it that they don't get the same publicity, because NLSIU and NALSAR are more prestigious and glamorous?

Any thoughts on this?

Caste and academic underperformance/overperformance and intrinsically linked. So fair to give concessions in marks and waiver in fees to repeat students from oppressed caste backgrounds. Also fair to ask non-EWS savarna students to pay more, which can be used to offset the financial losses from the fee waiver.

Simple, easy and fair solution.

So you mean to say that a computer algorithm woth zero legal knowledge will produce a far better work than someone with 10 year experience ? Then let's just scrap law as a profession and let AI take over arguments also?

AI is making people lazy. I see people at my first using it for basic take like drafting an email just shows the level of underconfidence.

Unethical to charge your client if your draft is nothing but a humanized version of an AI output.

Work is not infinite because if its reptitive or a model can be trained on it, large companies or in house teams can get it done via ai. The only factor remains is executives want to shirk accountability which is where law firms will play a role in the future. Lawyers will have to work 2x to make the same amount, number of entry level jobs will diminish significantly

Yours is a subjective opinion. Theirs is a subjective opinion. Of course everything you don't agree with is disgusting for you. Nice uno reverse card with the emotional part, apparently having an opinion makes you emotional. Still still struggle to remember a man crying in office and i have seen loads of women in crying in office with male colleagues forced to comfort them.

I read about this here: https://www.barandbench.com/amp/story/news/lucio-ai-launches-elevate-moving-legal-ai-from-chat-answers-to-finished-deliverables

Thoughts, folks?

You are right to be worried. As someone at a senior level, running a firm that is working with AI to improve - I can tell you that AI as a whole is significantly going to change the landscape for the work to be done.

Just the other day, I was able to put together the first draft of an entire complex agreement using AI. I had to burn about 15K worth of credits, but it was well worth it in that the quality of output was very much worth paying 15K for - and it did that job in about 4 hours - while even a very good PA / SA would have taken atleast a day with no guarantee of quality.

So what does this mean for you and anyone else who is starting out in the profession:
(a) Judgment / understanding context beyond the written text / being able to think deeper and more comprehensively - those will be skills people will look for in the future. So focus on understanding commercial context, understanding different approaches to solving complex problems, understanding why something is the way it is. In my time, you had no way of accessing this knowledge or even knowing what to ask. Today AI can take you quite deep and act as a thought partner.

(b) A natural caveat to that is that lots of juniors and lawyers in training are using AI as a substitute for thinking and understanding, simply because its easy to get answers from AI and then repeat it. This will be the biggest cause of down-fall for young folks coming through. If I ask you for your thought on something and you just repeat what AI told you without understanding (and trust me - we know), then why do I need you - I can just train an AI to respond to me in those situations. So that is what you will need to avoid.

All of the above, notwithstanding, there will always be space for human lawyers - its just that drafting has gotten a lot easier - so I guess that's something. But again - like (a) and (b) above, you have to draft ground-up before you can use AI to do the drafting - so keep in mind as well.

Hope this helps. Happy to answer more questions.

Hello! Pardon my grammar.

I felt the same during my law school (Tier 2 NLU), and I really hope my advice may be helpful to you.

If you are truly interested in the intersection of law or any other field, then yes, please go for it. Having said that, I am sure you are putting in all the hard work; just in case you are not, I feel the truth is that studying law is, at its core, not so enjoyable for everyone. But the fact that you are where students dream maybe you can put in your efforts and graduate with good grades, as that is a must for venturing out to any profession. You must have worked hard already, so you know that studying does increase confidence,, not just marks. My core idea is, enjoy, but please acknowledge that law is essentially mundane.

I might be wrong, but the intersection of law and a creative field or any field, can be mundane. Marketing is equally stressful to pursuing law. I do not know if you are interested in them genuinely or because law seems tough, so you are looking for a way out. If it is a latter case, yes, law is tough, way tougher than clearing CLAT. But it is a series of subjects only, which are completely doable. Look for ways to make it simple for you, there are YouTube videos explaining each law subject and yes, YOU are SMART & COMPETENT , THAT IS WHY YOU ARE THERE. PERIOD.

perhaps focus on getting enjoying, good grades, interning at different courts, firms ( but do not build your cv look too haphazard, someone consistency should be there). I fell in love with law way too late, but more than loving or enjoying it, treat studying as your KARMA , which has to be done ( NOT AT ALL THE COST OF YOUR MENTAL & PHYSICAL HEALTH).

The nature of the job will change, associates won't be needed to spend as much time, so that's good. However, learning will also be a lot lesser - people tend to stop using their brains and rely on AI too much sometimes, that's the danger.

Work is infinite, so I don't think hiring will be a problem.

bro i am in a tier 1 trust me this is not to divert or make false statements

we as an ibc team just not do only IBC and related stuff (some lit , some procedural).

but many of it comes from either other teams
IBC as a practice is good but not suggested to make a carrer just soley based on this trust me

as far as lucrative part is concerned you will see what all those shing things things has been shown that RP this IRP that is all bshit.
for earning 10 s you have to literally giving work or time for 100 hours as its too procedural and lit side used to be good earlier but now its just stagnant ( vohi same repeated orders)

i will myself switch to Arb or IRP

Oh please. We are not here sitting and counting. We know when you hire 5 women to a team year after year and put us through sensitivity training after. Its obvious and apparent. Stop patronizing.

Spare us your spew on "equality feels like oppression". The reality is the current generation of men is eating the dirt for the past generations sins as we force a remedy on work force participation rates in white collar jobs with some power and prestige.

We also know why it suits management to hire women (for various financial and better left unsaid reasons). Just like why Indians are preferred in management roles in the US and why white woman control client facing roles.

They are more "manageable" and "predictable". They keep clients on "hook". Thats all skill too, no doubt. Wish more people admitted it rather than play into sociological semantics and culture wars. Men worth their salt negotiate hard and take more risks - so there is a cost associated to having them.

I am looking for places to apply to for an internship and would be grateful if anyone could suggest good litigating lawyers where an intern could actually learn something. I am generally averse to applying under 'TV/Twitter' lawyers, based off of what i have heard from people who have interned under them. If anyone has any information regarding the same I would be grateful.

Warm regards.

one month interns can get extended, many people have interned there for over a year.

the paralegal position exists as well, its for graduates and pays 65k a month, it's just almost never given out but some teams chose to take associates if an urgent vacancy arises through this route as it is a reduced cost and helps them assess the individual prior to confirming them.

bhai hinton who ran google deepmind and created the model behind all current AI said that radiologists would be gone in 5 years entirely, 11 years ago, guess what, we are the biggest crunch for radiologists ever to the point where surgeons take it up part time for more money.

Listening to AI doom trollers cost many people a guranteed job in the US earning 6 crores a year on average.

88 hours it solved a mathematics problem? they stole the answer and then blackmailed the HUMANs who actually solved it.

AI will kill mind numbing work, now the sad reality is most corporate jobs were mind numbing work, if you were possessing the skill set of having sophisticated language while doing nothing more challenging than a white collar employee, you will get swallowed alive, if you have a brain that functions, you are good.

the recent doom troll about AI killing humans was something these AI bros were spewing in the 1980s saying its a few years away since then, they will say it in 2070s too and your grandchildren will be hearing the same nonsense, its just IPO hype.

The twitter post that kicked this off came 7 minutes after an article from WSJ quoting the guy leaving anthropic, he said the CEOs downplay the AI risk? Bruh those AI bimbos have been going on and on about how AI will kill all of us for ages, this year both dario and sam have said in podcasts how AI will kill all humans but they're downplaying risk.

everyone in AI is incentivised to make AI seem better cause all their employees got paid in stock options which only have value if their ipo next month is going to go well.

Further another aschenbrenner who runs a famous trending doom troll and then decides to start a company with billions in funding is also likely in fact most probable.

Look at guys who have left big AI wings like Yann Lecun who won a turing award btw, who says AI cant compete with cats let alone humans in terms of reasoning and rationale.

it should be back online, google has reinstated our account (again!). we're looking at a more sustainable solution though.

the original thread is here: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/221940-crowdsourced-open-and-fully-editable-list-of-salaries-in-indian-law-firms#comment-221940

Law professors work 8-9 hours plus 5-6 hours at home. Since I joined academia, the admins work and the 4-5 hour teaching daily with you being overstimulated with 60 students, events, admissions, etc etc . So minimum work hour is 70-80. There is a lot of misconception today that teaching is easy and teachers are free. Also all this with no respect.