Hi LI ke rishi muniyo,

I recently got a four-month-long internship offer from Saraf Hyderabad.

Now the thing is, I'm confused if I should join or look for firms like Indus, Dentons Link Legal, JSA, and all other biggies.

How do I turn a long-term internship into a PPO? (Like how do i go about with the convo)

What do ya'll think would be my salary as an A0 at Saraf Hyderabad?

PS - I'm from a PLC and disputes is what I'm interested in

She is absolutely fine. Working as an analyst in a company poses no threat to her nor others. Further, being a corporate lawyer is completely different from a litigating lawyer. So don't worry that she will sue you in the courts. She's as good as any other employee working in a private company.

Came across this thread. So maybe NLSIU themselves gave them this nickname but how does it matter? Sudhir has now placed NLSIU waaaay ahead of any other law school in india and it’s just a matter of time before it competes with law school in rich Asian countries like China, Japan and Singapore for the Harvard of the East tag. Honestly, I think it’s already there and only NUS in Singapore can claim to better than NLSIU in Asia.

Next SBA petition will express solidarity with Justin Trudeau and Ilhan Omar + condemn the electoral victory of Marine Le Pen’s political party in France + demand the release of Imran Khan from prison.

After all, the SBA is taken extremely seriously by the international community.

Checklist for typical Indian men and moms:

1. Girl’s skin colour

2. Girl’s family’s social status

3. Girl’s family’s financial status

And now…whether she is a lawyer??? Dude, stop being so judgmental. All that matters is whether she is a good person and whether she has common interests as you. That’s it.,

Reach out to your alumni with your best writing samples, references, and CV. In such extremely rare cases where a competent person is without a job after graduation, most universities' alumni WhatsApp groups have been of massive help.

Also, it might help to not exist in both extremes — you shouldn't be losing hope in yourself, but if you're in this scenario, then you possibly also need to introspect more before going ahead with the assumption of 'I'm competent' — you've graduated recently and like most A0s, probably know little of value to a firm. A0s are not hired based on their competence and value they bring — that's negligible — they're hired on the basis of the potential they show in being able to put in the hard work and learn the ropes. Accordingly, restructure your application to show precisely that — tangible demonstration of sincerity in everything you've done so far, baseline knowledge and a much deeper interest in the area of the law, and good communication skills.

Lastly, keep a keen eye on Linkedin and Bar&Bench's law firm news columns to constantly figure out who may be hiring where.

All the best!

If you've sent at least 3-4 mails at valid intervals and with proper application & follow-ups — and tried reaching out to the HR Id through mails and the firm phone number given on the website — then you could, in a formal office hour, make a respectful call if you're ultimately reaching a date extremely close to the internship period that you've applied for. Begin with a humble greeting, then apologise for disturbing them and ask them if this is a good time for a 5 minute conversation — they'll probably ask what it's about & who you are — and you ought to utilize this opportunity to give a summarized keynote-type formal & straightforward answer, while quickly adding the urgency & reasons for this being a genuine call. An example I could think of would be if a student called with this etiquette and clarified that they have been asked to confirm their slot for a different opportunity for the coming month — but they would (respectfully) prefer to get clarity about their application status from this firm first.

Remember, we're not anti-students; we've been students once too. But we're still professionals with a lot of work (& some life) and most students fail to respect any of that by reaching out clearly unnecessarily and being woefully ill-prepared. Just don't do that, and noone will hold a grudge.

As a recent Nalsar alum, here are my (literal) two cents that you should consider while making your decision:

1. Not all NALSARites get decent jobs. The bottom 30% of the last few batches has ended up at a mix of random organisations (as inhouse counsels), litigation chambers, and lesser known law firms — often with disappointingly below average pay. These batch sizes have been mindlessly been increased (the first 150+ batch is yet to get placed this year, leading to various anxieties among these groups), and both salaries & vacancies at well-paying (T1/T2) firms have almost not been increasing for nearly a decade now — making the situation likely to get way worse. So, are you sure you want to put 60 lacs in the drain when there's a good possibility you'd not get much monetary return out of it?

2. There's a good amount of similarity in the kinds of questions asked in major entrances for law and economics. And frankly, they're some of the easiest entrances in the country (For example, CLAT hasn't had more than 60k applicants for almost the past decade, as opposed to the ever increasing intense competition in medical, engineering, or management exams). Most importantly, at present, they're heavily tailored to be far easier for anyone with a solid background in English education. So the harsh truth is that with your privilege, you'd anyway be further ahead of most of the applicants coming from semi-urban & lesser privileged backgrounds. Why not wait a year and give these entrances a proper shot? What's the worst that could happen? You'll most likely still have this FN option next year. Indian law firms barely look at your CV, noone will likely even bring up a drop year anywhere. But, if you utilise this opportunity and get a decent rank, you get to save a ton of your parents' money & use it when you actually need it in the future.

Either way, all the best!

yeah yeah. Anyday now Netanyahu will stop the war to kill hamas and recover their hostages because the student body of some law school halfway across the world wrote a letter. In fact,im surprised they didnt ask nls students to vote on whether israel should have responded to oct 7 at all- surely with everything going on the feelings of 17 year old students is top of mind for netanyahu.

This is just delusion.

Im not saying anything about whether students have the right to write this letter. Of course they do, theyre just very silly and ill informed and are practicing stupid politics. I wont spontaneously combust if someone disagrees with me and nor will I call for sacking/ suspending anyone supporting this stupidity, but I do wonder if you think these students and their professors would show the same grace to heretical thoughts on this or any other progressive politics holy cows.

Vice chancellors specifically are not tenured faculty, part of whether they get to stay and how they get to stay is unfortunately or fortunately decided by student popularity. Students in other universities have managed to get their VCs out after petitions and such. I worry that all the work that is going to improve the university, after all these years of sleepwalking, will take a backseat to stupid politics that helps no one and nothing.

Her profession doesn't matter that much unless you want a meek wife who you can walk over. But generally if someone who doesn't know you is putting in so much effort, you should find out why. Traditional people don't like assertive women. Many lawyers are assertive but so are other kinds of educated women. They are not going to be meek cows if that's what you want. But that also helps you because they will negotiate good deals for you, understand your work and help you strategise how to get ahead. Figure out what you want and marry accordingly.

I have been sent marriage proposals by a lawyer's family who have been diligently tailing my father for ~ 4 months (haven't met, live ~ 600 km apart in different states). Her LinkedIn states title as "legal analyst" at this pharma firm. She states "contract vetting" among her skills at this job.

My mother is a bit apprehensive since someone told her to avoid marrying me off to a lawyer or law enforcement official (policewoman) if taking the arranged marriage route.

What is it like being a lawyer married to a non lawyer really? And how hyped is the danger of being screwed over by spouse should there be any marital discord? Is the kind of title I stated a very high stress job? She's 25 and been working ~ 3 years. Does her job entails any kind of threat to her life?

I was contacted myself by another girl who is a .. criminal lawyer herself. We only texted one night and then she's not texted back.

Please advise in as lay parlance as possible. Thanks.

It is that way for the most part at KCO. There are some teams which are less arrogant but middle level is spoilt all through and through. PPO generally is very random mostly to kids who mix well into the team because let us be honest almost all interns produce same work unless from GLC. You mention 2025 batch so I hope you would finish this prior to August because that is day zero and you will be sent empty handed regardless of your performance. All the best

Work on your shortcomings. Each one of has some - this includes the ones who are placed in T1.

AND

Try litigation.

OR

Work at small firms if you're dire need of jobs:

Wadia Ghandy is switching to bigger office in Ahmedabad.

OR

Apply for long term internship at LKS Ahmedabad. You'll get paid at least 18k per month which is more than enough to cover your expenses in Ahmedabad.

AND

Have faith in yourself. I took 2 years drop before clat. It's okay if you're a 2022/23 grad and is not placed yet. It could or couldn't be fault of your own but there's no point in going down that road. The best you can do is go forward.

Be smart while applying. Banglore is not a legal hub to begin with. Ahmedabad is expanding with lks moving to New office and so does wadiya. Also, kco opened new office very recently. Consider going to Ahmedabad for it's cheaper. Do the following from tomorrow:

1. Apply to wadiya and/or lks for internship.

2. Regularly apply to firms in Delhi for job interview.

3. Talk to your friends/confidant regularly.

4. Cut down on your expenses.

5. Stop using social except LinkedIn.

6. You must think some other fellow is nothing compared to you but has a job. Everyone thinks that but such thought process isn't going to bring any good. If you can't be happy for other person.. at least have the maturity to only focus on yourself.

7. Exercise or walk. Don't meditate. Start meditation when something good happens.

8. Idk whether world is cruel or not.. if there's only luck factor or not. There's no point in thinking about such things so don't waste time. Focus on yourself. Try to grow. You must have had amazing days be it with your friends or family or cousins or even strangers. There are people who have your best interests. They deserve that you're happy. Just consider doing those things I mentioned.

All the Best!

I'm going to save this link. Lmk if something good happens. I'm counting on you ❤️🤝.

Hard disagree. Docotrs once they get into MBBS govt colleges - don't need to spend any further to become employable. Software engineers have access to tons of freely accessible coaching and knowledge and they land jobs without investing anything on internships (if they are fairly decent at coding).

Where as law everything that you can imagine you have to pay for - knoweldge / search engines (live law, SCC, Manupatra), internships, relocating for job (so many engineers have their relocation costs covered by the company).

Law is the most unwelcoming field - you work almost 14 hours, get paid half as people in other corporate jobs, get not even half the perks, can't even take off when you really have too, have no personal life.

As a Ter 1 partner I can assure that this snob comment, right above mine, it is a wannabe Suits lawyer sitting in his pitiful first year room smoking weed with his pals. I'm sure we haven't fallen this low to make someone's despair and agony a troll each time we get the chance to? Do better kids, we never know what life has in store for us, both good and bad.

Currently, GNLU and NUJS is the powerhouse for corporate placements and dominate the ranks of top firms. Either way, if you’re batch rank is decent enough, you can get through it easily. Whereas priorly, NLS had equally good corp. placements, however most have gravitated towards academia and policy. So I think Gnlu will work fine, that is if you’re end goal is corporate.

On any given year between NUJS and NLUD, I would say go for the latter, but the difference right now, especially post-Ranbir Singh NLUD, is not as great as to lose a whole year. However, staying in Delhi for five years of law school would be a big help, so you may consider it seriously, plus the comforts of home being nearby.

Please read the article you have linked carefully. The answer is there itself.

"offering biannual admissions is not mandatory for the institutions; the flexibility is provided for those colleges and universities who want to increase their student intake and offer new programmes in emerging areas. To be able to admit students twice a year, HEIs must make suitable amendments to their institutional regulations."

So first of all NLUs have to decide whether they want to follow this model. Right now at the scale for which they operate, there is no incentive to do so.

Yet it is such speculation that has led to almost every single CLAT reform in the past, as well as unearthing of the snafus and leakage in the past years for both CLAT and other competitive exams. Frankly, nobody cares about your CLAT rank so long as you have got into law school and if you have not, then they care even less.

Tell me something. Say X has told people in confidence including myself after the exam that he has done really badly in the paper, but not knowing his roll number, I cannot check whether he has used some illegitimate means to secure a higher rank. Or even more commonly, something like the NEET controversy. People from same region or coaching centre end up securing top ranks. How exactly does the release of roll numbers help in identifying these by common people and testgivers? Unless it happens on a massive scale, it would never come out. Public release of roll numbers is almost as good as not releasing it at all, because those will only be useful in case of a formal investigation and the latter will never be demanded unless common stakeholders smell a rat that is rendered highly difficult by this practice.

It's true... however if you look at it ..law has always been something that is more relied on in court practice than on institution of graduation. I believe as more and more people join law and NLUs become interdisciplinary, people will get to know more about them. We have an unfortunate heard mentality...first it was for MBBS, then b.tech, now MBA and I believe in the future law will rise. So then you'd see people know more about NLUs. For now, people see brands like DU, BHU etc

IIT Dhanbad is actually the new name of the Indian School of Mines, which is a very old and prestigious institution. Definitely more famous than NLUs among the regular public, but perhaps lacking suave alumni who speak English in elite accents and hang out with the Lutyens set.

I agree with some of your points, not so much with others, but completely agree that you have the right to write this post. Extending your logic though, how does you writing this stop the SBA from their actions, or how does the SBA writing the open letter stop Sudhir from carrying out his agenda?

Hello everyone, if you rank within top 50 of your clat exam, 60 percent of your fees get refunded plus you can avail the academic star scholarship at GNLU. NLS charged around 4L but again it is regarded as a the best, although I wanna opt for GNLU for the opportunities. My primary aim is corporate only. Will I miss out on much if I choose gnlu over NLS?

This is just a meaningless notification. Implementation of this means that the university will have to run two parallel sessions for every course. That in turn will require the university to double its teaching staff numbers before it can try this out even once. In addition, the number of classes and infra will have to be doubled too. No public university will be in a position to do so in India anytime soon. Some of the private ones may, but very few of those will keep a check on quality.

Some NLUs will decline and some will rise, but I don't foresee TLCs ever becoming the "elite group" again. They are too far behind to ever become relevant. In my opinion, in the next 10 years, NLS will no longer be the uncontested king but will be a co-price alongside NLUD. NALSAR will fall and NUJS will fall further, and GNLU will surpass both to be the number 2 institution. JGLS will rise further and more aspirants will choose it over even NLS/NLUD.