Why do people make a ranking where there is none? :)
The article quite clearly states that we're just listing all Indian grads who have made partnership in the last 2 years.
It is obvious that there are more NLSites, just by virtue of them having been around longer, but NUJS has been beginning to make a mark also last year, and I'm sure in a few years it'll become yet more even.
No disparagement of any law school has been intended :)
Hi, thanks for your feedback. To explain, some news are quicker for us to confirm (such as this one) than others, but rest assured: 1) we really don't have any preference as to firms (other than perhaps a slight bias towards reporting about moves in the big firms), and 2) we're currently looking at all news that's in the pipeline, but sometimes it takes a few days to solidly stand up leads...
I have just looked through the draft article Ramanuj refers to above, and have extracted a portion relating to the UGC RTI below (including iPleaders' notes / interpretation on the responses).
I don't know what I'm talking about, but could this be the DSK fellows you're thinking of? Could also have been Trilegal though, am not sure about their history...
That would be my bad. Will add Prem Ayyappa. Sometimes I forget how many founding partners of Trilegal there are... Is he also same the NLS batch as Karan?
I actually don't know any specific further details re this specific case, at the moment. I'm a bit biased, because I'm also strongly considering moving there, but I would expect that it's partly a lifestyle choice because of excellent Bangalore weather and beer :). And in Karan's case, there's probably also a decent business case to make, since the Mumbai office is much bigger than Bangalore.
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You could also argue, that Manan Lahoty's sort-of move to Mumbai around 2009, made Luthra's cap markets practice as successful as it is today.
And there are many more examples, but I don't want to bore you.
2. As far as I'm aware, Karan Singh has basically spent his entire Trilegal career in Mumbai, playing a huge hand in building up that office to what it is today. The move may be for personal or lifestyle reasons, but law firms are made of people, and if a founder or senior partner moves, it will change the DNA and culture of an office, at least a little bit.
3. For the trade press, such as LI, or The Lawyer, or Law.com, etc, it is 'news' in foreign legal markets too.
4. I believe, for those that didn't know yet in the Bangalore market, this would be 'news' too. Having one more senior yet young-ish corporate lawyer in Bangalore could mix things up a fair bit there. Bangalore's become quite a settled market, carved up between the big firms, I feel. So it's quite possible, there's also a strategic dimension to the move, to boost the corporate presence there amongst the Flipkarts of the city.
5. It has to be news, because otherwise it'd make me wonder, why did you click on the story and comment on it?
6. It's news, because it's information that wasn't public before and that you (presumably) didn't know about. It may not be news you personally care about, but that doesn't stop it from being news for someone else.
Regarding the above comment #10, the initially published version had referred to a PhD of a professor being "[...]".
For the avoidance of doubt, there has been no evidence that anything about that thesis is "[...]" or otherwise, and have therefore removed any reference to that PhD now in that comment.
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For the avoidance of doubt, it is pretty much impossible to know whether that's a real NUJS student or a troll, though it does certainly sound like the letter and best not to respond... :)
Hi Dualipa, sorry for my delayed response, been travelling.
Believe it or not, I have briefly thought about that idea in the past though there are some liability issues, since the ones moderated are usually defamatory and don't add that much to the conversation.
But will give it some thought and see if there's a way we can theoretically structure something around it, if there's interest...
Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your views, don't take it to heart, a lot of NLU students can be a bit touchy on this topic.
At the end of the day, NUJS will no doubt still continue (for a long time) to be one of the top national law schools, helped by its strong history and alumni network. But there can be no doubt that the administrative issues are worrying and if they don't get settled soon, there could be some (small) knock-on effects on student preferences, vis-a-vis institutions that have more solid or progressive leadership.
I think CLAT taker expressing his / her view on such matters, shouldn't immediately result in flaming him / her or suspecting them to be a troll from another NLU (though it's not unheard for trolling comments to have been made in such guise too, in the past).
In any case, good luck with the CLAT, wishing you all the best in your legal career!
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1. Surreptitious means that it's done secretly. When we don't publish a comment you can see it. 2. Your comment's language needed some moderating, which takes longer in the queue, but has now been done. 3. Take better care of your language in future, and your comments may go up faster (though judging by your ad hominem against me, that seems unlikely and also tars your above comment). Cheers Kian
I think the common recurring criticism on LI, in so many words, is that he should have been teaching more, but I think between the things you list above, and considering that Indian legal academia is infamous for its lack of research, I don't think that should be counted as a negative...
Hehe, I think the vast majority of that is wild conjecture, but I agree with you, good on SAM for letting him join.
It doesn't seem fair to single out daughters or sons of senior lawyers and attribute so much significance to their job moves, no matter their seniority. And children of top lawyers often work in firms that are not their parents', even in India.
However, I agree that such moves may be newsworthy in a few cases, such as in firms where family is very much publicly in its DNA. In the case of AZB and Bahram, it's not really ever been structured as a family firm, as far as I know, so this is just another associate move at the end of the day.
Probably not at all, though I agree it has gossip value. But we don't normally report senior associate moves, and I'm not sure why this would be an exception. Though, if anything, it's the sign of a maturing legal market that such moves (are allowed to) happen. Also worth asking, would anyone bat an eyelid if the son of a managing partner of another firm moved to a rival?
No, true fact! :) It's based on members of selection committees we've spoken to over the years, and nearly all of the more candid ones have complained about how bad VC applications have been and how hard it is to choose even one oftentimes.
Haha, yes, they seem inclined to copy-paste our limited-time paywall stories as soon as they can. Whenever they do, we generally shorten the time the story goes live but sometimes it lasts. :)
I'm don't think her role would have been LPO, and would likely have included a fair bit of M&A, etc - Thomson Reuters buys other companies, such as the LPO Pangea3, fairly regularly, after all...
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However, everyone's mileage will obviously vary, and that's fine.
Regarding this story, I don't think it's stale at all. When we first reported on this in June, the official position of the firm was that their break-up was "speculation" and they were restructuring the firm.
Now the break-up is official, so it is relevant to report to report on the dissolution of a venerable partnership.
Hehe, no offence was intended, and in any case, upstart would have been referring to Three Crowns, which has apparently shaken up the litigation market a fair bit, bucking the traditional business model (though I haven't been able to find that many recent reports).
Re highlighting other NLU alumni, we're more than happy to, but the reason we cover NLS alums more than other NLUs is because they've simply been around for longer than any other NLU and therefore it is simply more likely that a greater number of them have attained seniority (and corresponding achievements) in the profession...
You're right, upstart was meant to signify that 3 Crowns was disrupting the status quo of lit, but didn't realise that 'upstart' didn't really have many positive connotations by its standard definition. Have changed the headline. :)
I am not sure about his citizenship (though the time he's lived in the UK, it would have been quite easy to become naturalised), but I'm pretty sure nowadays QC is open to anyone qualified as an English solicitor or barrister. Restrictions on nationality (for Europeans in any case) would also probably be illegal under EU law (Brexit notwithstanding).
The article quite clearly states that we're just listing all Indian grads who have made partnership in the last 2 years.
It is obvious that there are more NLSites, just by virtue of them having been around longer, but NUJS has been beginning to make a mark also last year, and I'm sure in a few years it'll become yet more even.
No disparagement of any law school has been intended :)
Thanks for the tip though - we're working through leads at the moment, there are quite a few, should be published soon...
1. This kind of 'trash' has been 'news' on LI many times in the past and for good reason. Arguably, Sandip Bhagat's move from Delhi to Mumbai in 2010, and Rajat Sethi's move in 2014, made S&R the firm it is today.
https://www.legallyindia.com/law-firms/sandip-bhagat-will-move-to-mumbai-to-set-up-new-sar-office-20100702-1053
https://www.legallyindia.com/the-bench-and-the-bar/s-r-rajat-sethi-follows-bhagat-moves-from-delhi-to-mumbai-in-corp-drive-20141107-5279
While much more political at Amarchand in the old days, moves between offices were fairly significant within the legal ecosystem back then, such as VP Singh's and others: https://www.legallyindia.com/law-firms/vp-singh-moves-from-amarchand-delhi-to-mumbai-20130410-3583
You could also argue, that Manan Lahoty's sort-of move to Mumbai around 2009, made Luthra's cap markets practice as successful as it is today.
And there are many more examples, but I don't want to bore you.
2. As far as I'm aware, Karan Singh has basically spent his entire Trilegal career in Mumbai, playing a huge hand in building up that office to what it is today. The move may be for personal or lifestyle reasons, but law firms are made of people, and if a founder or senior partner moves, it will change the DNA and culture of an office, at least a little bit.
3. For the trade press, such as LI, or The Lawyer, or Law.com, etc, it is 'news' in foreign legal markets too.
4. I believe, for those that didn't know yet in the Bangalore market, this would be 'news' too. Having one more senior yet young-ish corporate lawyer in Bangalore could mix things up a fair bit there. Bangalore's become quite a settled market, carved up between the big firms, I feel. So it's quite possible, there's also a strategic dimension to the move, to boost the corporate presence there amongst the Flipkarts of the city.
5. It has to be news, because otherwise it'd make me wonder, why did you click on the story and comment on it?
6. It's news, because it's information that wasn't public before and that you (presumably) didn't know about. It may not be news you personally care about, but that doesn't stop it from being news for someone else.
Hope that clarifies. Yours, with massala,
Kian
For the avoidance of doubt, there has been no evidence that anything about that thesis is "[...]" or otherwise, and have therefore removed any reference to that PhD now in that comment.
In future, regarding this thread, if you make any comments with specific allegations, please provide sourcing for each (i.e., in case of RTI documents, a link to the PDF and page number, backing up your statement).
Generally, I think the reputation of the comments section is far worse than it is in reality nowadays, though I accept occasionally some not-so-nice ones slip through and there is some snarking, but we generally deal with those fairly quickly once pointed out.
In any case, we are constantly refining and adjusting the process, based on feedback such as yours, and hope to have a friendly community which at the same time facilitates an open exchange of ideas. Always welcome to hear more suggestions (though I don't think mandatory sign-ins really help - Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and other online platforms/partial cesspits being prime examples...)
Believe it or not, I have briefly thought about that idea in the past though there are some liability issues, since the ones moderated are usually defamatory and don't add that much to the conversation.
But will give it some thought and see if there's a way we can theoretically structure something around it, if there's interest...
At the end of the day, NUJS will no doubt still continue (for a long time) to be one of the top national law schools, helped by its strong history and alumni network. But there can be no doubt that the administrative issues are worrying and if they don't get settled soon, there could be some (small) knock-on effects on student preferences, vis-a-vis institutions that have more solid or progressive leadership.
I think CLAT taker expressing his / her view on such matters, shouldn't immediately result in flaming him / her or suspecting them to be a troll from another NLU (though it's not unheard for trolling comments to have been made in such guise too, in the past).
In any case, good luck with the CLAT, wishing you all the best in your legal career!
Generally, it'll say "awaiting moderation" for the first 24 hours, if I recall correctly, and become "has not been published" after that. Very rarely, we miss a comment and forget to moderate it, but usually after 24 hours it means that it won't ever get published.
Sometimes, in the case of comments requiring editing, it can take a bit longer to publish so they'll sit in the queue for a bit longer.
If you have any feedback or requests about how we can improve the process, please do let me know and we'll try to implement.
2. Your comment's language needed some moderating, which takes longer in the queue, but has now been done.
3. Take better care of your language in future, and your comments may go up faster (though judging by your ad hominem against me, that seems unlikely and also tars your above comment).
Cheers
Kian
It doesn't seem fair to single out daughters or sons of senior lawyers and attribute so much significance to their job moves, no matter their seniority. And children of top lawyers often work in firms that are not their parents', even in India.
However, I agree that such moves may be newsworthy in a few cases, such as in firms where family is very much publicly in its DNA. In the case of AZB and Bahram, it's not really ever been structured as a family firm, as far as I know, so this is just another associate move at the end of the day.
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However, everyone's mileage will obviously vary, and that's fine.
Regarding this story, I don't think it's stale at all. When we first reported on this in June, the official position of the firm was that their break-up was "speculation" and they were restructuring the firm.
Now the break-up is official, so it is relevant to report to report on the dissolution of a venerable partnership.
Re highlighting other NLU alumni, we're more than happy to, but the reason we cover NLS alums more than other NLUs is because they've simply been around for longer than any other NLU and therefore it is simply more likely that a greater number of them have attained seniority (and corresponding achievements) in the profession...