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This is very serious. Her daughter was a passenger in a car which sadly crashed. She is alleging that the driver was under the influence of alcohol. She is saying that Jindal is turning a blind eye to drugs and alcohol, which endangers the lives of children. She is saying that the college has a responsibility to discipline its students, who are at a young and vulnerable age. Some of the things she has posted:
- Today: Hidden cam footage where parents whose children died are asking college authorities why then don't watch over their children
- A picture of a nightclub just 1 km from Jindal, where she alleges student go to drink the whole night and come back in the morning
- A video of a boy student kicking a girl student on campus (although it is not clear if the attacker was under the influence of alcohol).
I fully agree with her. It is fashionable to break rules and drink, but the fact is that children need discipline and our parents are right to ask colleges to keep an eye over their children. There is a drugs and drinks culture across all NLUs, but because of the Punjab-Haryana drug trade colleges like JGLS, RGNUL and NLU Sonipat are just in a mess. Just the other day the video of the NLU Sonipat boy, asking a cop a question when viral. Recently, the founder of Ashok said that drugs are being delivered by drones to Ashoka. Elsewhere, we saw the case of Jadavpur University where seniors got drunk and ragged juniors and a junior boy committed suicide.
People here will not like me saying this, but liberalism on campuses has gone too far and needs to be curbed through discipline. We need to have a zero-tolerance policy towards alcohol and drugs. It's not "fascist" to do so. You don't have a right to drink and do drugs on campus.
Students - who are adolescent and whose brains havent fully developed- think most of this "pro student" action. Theyre happy as long as they dont have to study, they can spend their time smoking up or hooking up and they get to bully their professors, and obtain a degree that they really havent earned. its all short term pleasure over long term well being for them.
The parents are sold a bucket of lies by the administration- first at admission because they focus on saying the faculty is great without addressing actual graduate outcomes, or even talking about faculty attrition at all.
And then throughout the years the students spend on campus. I have not once seen grade inflation so bad as it is at JGU. Most of these students wouldnt be passing on their own, but theyre made to pass by all sorts of ways- not including the ridiculous testing rules where one can obtain a full score in the final by only studying 50% of the syllabus- so it looks like the kids are learning something so the fees keep coming in. Student complaints about faculty being too strict are jumped upon by mediocre administrators wanting to please their customers- but there is zero action taken by the admin against professors who are known to give out grades for good teaching evals, who are known to not teach, hand over the teaching work to their TA's, not really evaluate assignments or even have very few assignments at all. No to having standards at all- just do the easy thing and let the kids have an easy grade. If youre a recruiter or a parent- you should not be believing the JGLS transcript- theyre lying to you.
But the university also lies to parents about the kind of experience their children will have. They tell them its a university filled with scholars and how their child can get an opportunity to pursue further study at foreign universities through their collaborations and how they can do international moots and internships and things like that. They dont tell parents about the endemic drug/ alcohol addiction problem on campus. There is no deaddiction centre even. I would not be surprised if they have never once in their history done a health survey to find out where their students even are with this stuff. they do nothing to stop rapes and sexual assault on campus, involving students, faculty and administration. The problem is endemic but faculty are not even mandatory reporters who are obligated to report abuse when they see it. In fact faculty are encouraged to rush any student who comes to them with this sort of problem to the COGSASH folks without getting involved or advocating for that student.
This is what happens when a lack of integrity doesnt bother you. If you start by saying- academic integrity doesnt matter to you, soon enough integrity in social life will also start not mattering. If corruption comes from the top down - at some point it is going to trickle down to the point that it will affect some students badly.
Parents sending their teens to JGU should know that theyre not done parenting once the kid is in college- its still your kid, and no one in sonipat is going to look out for them unless you do. no one at university wants to do the hard thing and enforce discipline or ensure safety or enable learning. 800 students a year, they dont have anyone to parent your kid. Even professors only interact with students fleetingly. You have to still stay on top of it.
I would suggest depriving your children of all that money to buy drugs and alcohol to start with. A strict budget that covers only what is necessary is the easiest way to make sure the kid stays on track.
Do I think there’s a parenting problem with most of these kids ? Yes I do. I don’t think their parents are being watchful enough and I think their parents try to get them out of trouble rather than teach them consequences of actions too much. But that does not mean parents are working with perfect information here. The day Jgls tells parents the truth about their institution - that’s the day you can blame parents for making bad choices.
You can make this argument if parents are made aware about the situation they’re sending their children into. You cannot make it when the university works to actively deceive and hide problems on their campus.
So, I feel the answer is simple: give maximum freedom to students and expect them exercise it responsibly. Sensitise students to use taxis instead of driving their car if they are going out drinking.
I know young people throughout history have thought they were counter culture revolutionaries sticking it to the man by drinking themselves into a stupor and losing braincells to weed- but let me spare you the illusion. Youre not counter culture revolutionaries. Revolutionaries stand for something other than hedonistic consumerism. This isnt moral policing as much as actually recognising alcoholism and substance abuse for the health care crises that they are. You dont get another body in this life time. One is all you get- and substance abuse harms that body and that mind. Its just a fact.
And if you do want "maximum freedom", perhaps you should spend your own damn money on all of this instead of lying to your parents and your school. Cause those are the people who suffer when you turn up dead.
I hope his parents just get to know what he does in law schools and all
All of them hide that they drink and all. Just wasting parents money
I am sorry but I think they girl that died also used to do all this without telling her parents. Anyways OM shanti
I hear that students in NALSAR go to party in Pubs and bars
Additionally, implementing strict measures like curfews and bag searches is often met with resistance from students, as I recall from a large private university where I worked, where such measures led to violent student protests.Instead of placing blame on the institution, parents should reflect on why their children engage in activities they disapprove of.
If I’m being told there are world class faculty and there are rigorous examinations. I’m bound to think my kid is studying all the time- that’s what they tell me. If I’m told it’s a drug free booze free campus - that’s what I will believe. I won’t be there on campus everyday to make sure.
If the university is upfront with parents about - look we don’t really expect that our students will be working all these hours - most of them will have a lot of free time. And beyond occasionally busting some kid with pot - there’s really nothing the university can do or is able to do about drugs and alcohol on campus- and here are statistics on rates of addiction among our students. Here is the how many instances of violence were reported on campus last year , how many of our students were involved with drunk driving etc last year, how many died year on year and here is what the drop out rate is- If you provide parents with that information - If you make clear to them that you are not in fact able to take responsibility of their kids. Then it’s all fair right ? They can make an informed decision about whether or not to admit.
You can’t at once claim parents should know better while keeping information from them because it improves your bottom line.
This woman is in pain and I feel for her. Losing a child is the most painful thing imaginable. But instead of coping with that pain and loss in a healthy way, she is attacking her daughter's friend. It sounds like he is irresponsible yes, but he needs counselling not prison. Can you imagine going through your life knowing you killed two of your friends? How many people here have been drunk and how many more have done things they shouldn't have while drunk? Did anyone imagine it would go so far?
I don't know the specifics but ideally they should be grieving the deaths together and helping this young man with his problems together. This anger and lashing out is going to do nothing for a scared, grieving student body that is turning to substance abuse because the adults are failing it. They need counselling and care not accusations. Good luck trying to run a law school like a prison. Oxbridge is full of drunken students. Most turn out just fine and some do not and do have catastrophic tragedies like this one. That is human behaviour and young people in universities. Stop trying to attack them for being human. It has nothing to do with their studies or future.
And the what aboutism in this thread is nuts. Nls has drunk students nujs has drunk students Oxbridge has drunk students. Are you kidding me ? Do you know how hard those students are made to work ? How little time most of them have to become drunkards ? Most NLS Oxbridge students may have a drink socially but they aren’t spending hours everyday getting drunk. The university pushes rigor enough that they have to study or fail. And those universities aren’t facing the rates of deaths, crime, assault, accident that JGLS faces. Take some damn responsibility for yourselves before you berate grieving parents for that same sin.
I hope you don't plan to have children or that you get a little more mature before you do. No one is saying he shouldn't be accountable. Just that accountability can come with compassion. It has nothing to do with wealth. If you think that people baying for his blood wouldn't bay for a poorer young man to be hanged, you are very wrong. The parents' emotions are understandable but in the long run they are harmful to their own healing: https://www.ldsliving.com/just-let-go-one-lds-mans-story-of-tragedy-and-the-power-of-forgiveness/s/71058 . And there is a good reason that these emotions do not drive justice.