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NLUD does offer much better opportunities. Just look at the recent DJS and UPSC records. Faculty are still better at NLUD (a couple of distinguished NALSAR alumni teach there too), research opportunities are better, batch sizes are slightly smaller for now, location is a huge plus and infrastructure is certainly not lacking even though campus being in a urban area is smaller. And in terms of the future, NLUD seems to have more potential to improve while NALSAR seems to have stagnated. And there are more people dropping even NLS for NLUD now. Although, if you want to play it safe, NALSAR isn’t a bad choice.
2. DJS and UPSC have NOTHING to do with the college. NLUD is not "offering" students UPSC and DJS, there are two exams and an interview for EVERY candidate regardless of ANYTHING. Yes it gives you a degree to qualify you for the exam itself, but so does NALSAR and so does DU. Look at GLC and DU grads in the UPSC and DJS results and you will understand.
3. Research opps is not a constraint, as from NALSAR, there are numerous students working as RAs in NLUD Centres. It honestly even does not matter as research in law or any subject in India is a Joke. You wouldve to go to Upenn or OXbridge for that. (Foreign exchange given to many by NALSAR, but wont use as rebuttal as you haven't mentioned this.)
4. Location honestly does not matter at all. Look at NLU Mumbai and the location. Is it helping the students? Delhi has the supreme court, thats it. Tell me how much can a student accomplish on Fridays in the Supreme court when Misc Matters are listed? If you wanna watch the proceedings, they are live telecasted on the SC Website. The High court of Telangana is also close to NALSAR.
- You would only get to work here during vacations, and there location does not matter as half the NALSAR Batch anyway is in mumbai or delhi then. To give an example, GLC clearly has an advantage due to loose attendence requirements, so the location definately helps students intern longer and acquire PPOs- Still lesser than NALSAR and more than NLUD lol.
3A- NLUD fees- The fees is now over 3.2 Lakh rupees an year, which makes it highly unaffordable to payback in loans. Yes the 70-80k difference * 5 definately matters.
4. NALSAR has anything but stagnated lol, kuch bhi generalize mat karo. The present batches are achieving laurels on all levels, moots, publications, TCs, PPOs. Dont hear much about NLUD. Ironically, NLUD's VC came to NALSAR and is now weakening structures and the culture here, making it like NLUD.
Get your facts right- My batch has atleast 25 students who were the Toppers in AILET.
And your views are quite myopic since you seem to only know what’s going on in your college. NLUD achievements keep happening every year.This convenient dismissal of other achievements beyond placements has been the trending argument of these older NLU students ever since NLUD started out-performing them in these fields. There is a reason why some colleges like the old IITs and even in DU, places like Stephens, produce so many top IAS rankers. The quality of education is better at NLUD, imo. It’s more academically rigourous and unlike NALSAR, people don’t sit on their alumni backs for easy jobs. And I’ve met students from enough top NLUs to know that the quality from NALSAR is not that much different or better.
The location doesn’t matter argument is also weak. As someone else said, people can intern at NLUD after class which is impossible at NALSAR. And watching live-streamed SC proceedings online is quite a laughable equation to actually interning there. And yes, many folks do go for litigation and clerkships in later years post-classes. GLC hardly has any teaching so there is no comparison of that place with NLUD. And lol, I’ve seen their placements, they hardly have high numbers and for batch sizes much larger than NLUD, they don’t get more PPOs either. You should get your facts checked before arguing.
Honestly, I think your defensiveness lets off the fact that NALSAR is no longer some undisputed number 2 like its alumni keep claiming.
Why do people connect "law" with UPSC when there is nothing in common except those BA subjects?
Way more than entire all NLUs!
NLUD has a sham of placements, is also a newer university so much smaller almuni base.
An overenthusiastic PR team is the main reason behind the over glorification of that place.
NALSAR has a better track record, much better placements, has sent more number of kids to ivy league schools and is more well know.
Heck i would even go as forward as to recommend people to go for something like NUJS over NLUD.
And NALSAR in recent times has devolved into a more or less local Telugu college with Telugu professors, Telugu VC, Telangana domicile students and some random business school. If you want a real “national” law university that’s actually growing and aims to be better, NLUD is the place to be.
Also nobody gives a crap about lingual representation in an educational institution except that one NALSAR professor who can talk for a month about that, its only being able to score in exams and corporate drudgery. Nobody cares for a "national" law university, least of all the Founders of NLUs and the government/s.
how many non-english speakers are in Cambridge, Harvard? Would hardly be shortlisted (Know people who went to court for this)
1) Placements- Both the college will ensure that if you want to get a corporate job, you will get one by the end of 5 years. Now strictly in the sense of Day Zero placements NALSAR is better. However in the recent years NLU Delhi has done better than other colleges with respect to foreign vacation schemes. NLU Delhi is a better place to be if you want to opt for litigation, judiciary it civils simply because of the location. If you're aim is a corporate job I'd say you'll have better chances of landing one at NALSAR. However here again you should make the choice keeping in mind +5 years from now when you'll graduate.
2. Faculty & Reaserch- I don't really know a lot about NALSAR faculty so won't get into that. However will give you an insight with NLU Delhi faculty. With Prof Ranbir Singh at the helm the faculty is above average- good at NLU Delhi. There are a few faculty members who are exceptional and are pretty well known. Even the faculty who is average is primarily due to the its inability to hold the attention of the class. However I'd say still pretty smart people though. Certainly NLU Delhi has really good faculty. I'm sure NALSAR wouldn't be lot different.
NLU Delhi has a many reaserch centers on campus. Some of them like the Death Penalty Project or the CCG does good work.
3) Adminstration and infrastructure: NLU Delhi is good infrastructure wise. The library is pretty good, further the hostel rooms have ACs in NLU Delhi. The campus here is rather small and compact. NALSAR on the other hand has a huge campus and from what I know it's very beautiful as well. The adminstration at NLU Delhi though can be a bit rigid at times, it always tends to comes around. The college does get a lot of funding and spends it properly on the college. Infrastructure wise I believe both colleges are pretty decent. Don't know about NALSAR adminstration.
4) Student life- It's certainly better at NALSAR. NALSAR has a pretty good student life and there are lot of events that do happen there. There's a lot of academic pressure here at NLU Delhi and infact in your first semester itself you'll have classes at odd hours (read 9pm class). That's only the first semester though. Basically you'll be lot more happier at NALSAR. The academic pressure might be the same at both the colleges however there are ways to escape in NALSAR. Though Delhi is a pretty cool place to be and you can always go out on the weekends.NALSAR is far away from the city so you're mostly on campus.
5) Perception- Student perecption plays a huge part in the college ranking. Every year a good number of leave NALSAR for NLUD. Though this number obviously had been in favour of NALSAR. Last year in my batch there was a sharp increase in the number of students who came to NLU Delhi. However also a lot of them were from around Delhi. The student perception according to me is starting to tilt towards NLU Delhi.
6) Extracurricular and Miscellaneous- Both colleges have decent extracurricular culture. NALSAR has more options however with lesser number of students you're likely to get a moot or a debate easily. NLU Delhi funds all it's moots and ADR competitions. Don't know about funding at NALSAR.
It's certainly difficult call to take but I'd say currently(2023) NLUD is still marginally better. However if you're from AP or region around choose Nalsar. A couple of students l Talk to someone from NALSAR as well.
All they do is publish useless reports which highlight that disadvantaged communities are more subject to the noose than others, without the basic reasoning that perhaps there is prevalence of more bloody and brutal crime in such communities (Statistically and logically). Apart from this, they file useless SLPs against death penalties long settled and awaiting execution, using the legal process to delay execution. (even the President of India having denied them relief). Seriously, the Supreme court must stop interfering so much.
What is your point? No death penalty. Seriously when that guy ▮▮▮ starts talking, my blood boils with the privileged position he is coming from in his talk against the DP, probably he doesnt have to deal with habitual sexual offenders in his lifetime ever.
The college does not matter for clearing the Civil service or judiciary. This is because these exams primarily test candidates on their knowledge, reasoning, and analytical skills, all of which must be developed through self-study and preparation without the aid of the college- evidenced from the fact that most people clearing it are from local not heard of colleges.
2) "Certainly NLU Delhi has really good faculty. I'm sure NALSAR wouldn't be lot different."
NALSAR does not, at all, especially in the coming months as most "better" professors are moving out. The thing is, considering the subjects like law and BA subjects, you dont really need a good professor to explain it to you, it can be learnt on your own pretty well, infact better. 90% of NALSAR students will NOT attend classes if not for the attendance requirement.
3) "The college does get a lot of funding and spends it properly on the college. Infrastructure wise I believe both colleges are pretty decent. Don't know about NALSAR adminstration"
On that front, we clearly lose, will give you that one. No funding and bull**** admin.
4) "NALSAR is far away from the city so you're mostly on campus."
There is good bus connectivity to the city (within 30 mins) so most students are never on campus. Also city mein kya hai yr, shamirpet is also great especially for couples, with the exquisite resorts and open space around.
5)"The student perception according to me is starting to tilt towards NLU Delhi."
Maybe LI threads have given students a reality check on corporate life after the s*** those coaching ▮▮▮ told em.
6)"Don't know about funding at NALSAR"
Pretty stingy tp disburse funds and do not cover anything, which could be a nightmare for international moots.
"Basically you'll be lot more happier at NALSAR" Not really, pretty toxic crowd, especially a newer batch.
7) "It's certainly difficult call to take but I'd say currently(2023) NLUD is still marginally better"
yeah, I guess
2. No, NALSAR offers MUCH more placements and better opportunities. Ask any HR of a lawfirm, who their preference is during shortlisting. Ask L&L- they will tell you- NLS/NALSAR/NUJS, ask SAM/ CAM/ Trilegal/ Saraf/ S&R/ Khaitan /ANY tier 2 firm. LOl just ask LKS, who have really rigid hierarchies. NLUD is clubbed with the other 4-5 below.
And as far as placements go, I agree that NLUD’s placements are not nearly as high but placements are a function of alumni base largely and NLUD’s placements have progressively improved with the same number of students in a batch (80). More importantly, NLUD’s batch sizes have been smaller by 40 students compared to NALSAR and NUJS for all the batches that have graduated so far, so the numbers will be higher but look at the % being placed. It’s nearly the same. And no, any student can sit for recruitment, the RCC doesn’t only choose the top 40 or something.
Personally, NALSAR is not a better bet at this point. It’s lost its sheen for a while now and it’s student achievements are certainly not much better than NLUD’s. For such a massive alumni base, hardly anyone wants to teach there. People who claim that the college doesn’t help in UPSC/CAT/GMAT are simply in denial because on all these fronts, NLUD has been better than NALSAR hands down. Even in Moots and ADR and debating achievements, NLUD has won significantly more prestigious international competitions. You can keep shouting placements all you like, but if the placements were that bad, students wouldn’t keep dropping NALSAR and NLS for NLUD.
As for UPSC and judiciary aspirants, NLU Delhi is hands down the best pick because they too can start going to their coaching classes physically post-class in 4th and 5th year. The best coaching institutes are situated in Delhi itself.